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* VanillaProtagonist: The Blog/UnshavedMouse cited the fact that Ashitaka is so moral, selfless, compassionate, unprejudiced and brave still works in the story - especially up against the other wildly grey figures in the movie. And it doesn't stop him being a badass.

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* VanillaProtagonist: The Blog/UnshavedMouse cited the fact that [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools Ashitaka is so moral, selfless, compassionate, unprejudiced and brave still works in the story - especially up against the other wildly grey figures in the movie. movie.]] [[BewareTheNiceOnes And it doesn't stop him being a badass.]]
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The whole album, by Music/JoeHisaishi no less, particularly the hauntingly beautiful main theme, "Legend of Ashitaka".

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The whole album, by Music/JoeHisaishi [[AwesomeMusic/StudioGhibli Joe Hisaishi]] no less, particularly the hauntingly beautiful main theme, "Legend of Ashitaka".

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* QuestionableCasting: Creator/BillyBobThornton as Jigo has been a head-scratching choice for years. He reportedly took the role thinking it was a children's film, so his [[SoMyKidsCanWatch own could watch it]]. That said, many have noted that he brings an affable, subtle cynicism to the role unique from what other actors may have tried.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: It may be much BloodierAndGorier than most Ghibli films, but this was still aimed at the same family audience that most Ghibli films are aimed at, with Miyazaki specifically targeting [[Main/ShonenDemographic fifth-graders]] as the main demographic. The film is considered a family film in Japan with a G rating, despite getting a PG-13 rating in the US. It also received a PG rating in the UK, despite showing the violence and gore completely uncut. But on the other hand...

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: It may be much BloodierAndGorier than most Ghibli films, but this was still aimed at the same family audience that most Ghibli films are aimed at, with Miyazaki specifically targeting [[Main/ShonenDemographic [[ShonenDemographic fifth-graders]] as the main demographic. The film is considered a family film in Japan with a G rating, despite getting a PG-13 rating in the US. It also received a PG rating in the UK, despite showing the violence and gore completely uncut. But on the other hand...



* WTHCastingAgency: Creator/BillyBobThornton as Jigo has been a head-scratching choice for years. He reportedly took the role thinking it was a children's film, so his [[SoMyKidsCanWatch own could watch it]]. That said, many have noted that he brings an affable, subtle cynicism to the role unique from what other actors may have tried.

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%%* {{Anvilicious}}: In a graceful, powerful, heartfelt way.

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%%* * {{Anvilicious}}: In It's a graceful, powerful, heartfelt way.film by Miyazaki, so obviously the sympathies fall more heavily with nature, and Ashitaka outright states numerous times how ridiculous the humans are by destroying the forest and then killing the animals for seeking revenge. However, he does extend consideration to the human characters as well, as they need to find ways to survive and achieve independence from oppressors in authority, which often means getting in the way of nature.



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%% ** "I didn't know the Forest Spirit made the flowers grow." Um, why wouldn't you think that?
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Sure, it's a Ghibli movie, but it's still a great deal BloodierAndGorier than most of Miyazaki's works. A lot of kids were traumatized by this movie when their parents took them to see it because ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' came out in America at around the same time. So logically, they'd love another Japanime type skit, right? There were reports of more than one parent storming out with their kid at the first decapitation and older kids and teens roped into watching it with their younger siblings cheering at the very same part. That said, it is still considered an all-ages film in Japan, and the film's reputation as an adult animation is a case of ValuesDissonance with Japanese audiences having a higher threshold for violence in family films.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Sure, it's a Ghibli movie, but it's still a great deal BloodierAndGorier than most of Miyazaki's works. A lot of kids were traumatized by this movie when their parents took them to see it because ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' ''Anime/PokemonTheSeries'' came out in America at around the same time. So logically, they'd love another Japanime type skit, right? There were reports of more than one parent storming out with their kid at the first decapitation and older kids and teens roped into watching it with their younger siblings cheering at the very same part. That said, it is still considered an all-ages film in Japan, and the film's reputation as an adult animation is a case of ValuesDissonance with Japanese audiences having a higher threshold for violence in family films.
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** The scene where [[https://me.me/i/ill-cut-your-throat-thatll-shut-you-up-youre-beautiful-15271879 San threatens to cut Ashitaka's throat and Ashitaka replying with "you're beautiful"]] has become a popular image to redraw with pairings from different franchises.

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** The scene where [[https://me.me/i/ill-cut-your-throat-thatll-shut-you-up-youre-beautiful-15271879 San threatens to cut Ashitaka's throat and Ashitaka replying with "you're beautiful"]] beautiful" has become a popular image to redraw with pairings from different franchises.
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** Yes, there were quite a lot of firearms in pre-Edo Japan (first appearing in the form of Chinese cannons in the 13th century). Even after unification, the shogunate maintained gunpowder-weapon arsenals in case of rebellion.
** [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_lance Fire lances]] are shown to be used a few times in their full destructive power by Eboshi's soldiers.
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* FriendlyFandoms: People who have seen this film and ''WesternAnimation/{{Wolfwalkers}}'' are often fans of both. The two movies both use a [[WildChild feral girl associated with wolves]] (San/Mebh) befriending an outsider (Ashitaka/Robyn) to tell a story about [[GreenAesop the unbalanced relationship between nature and humanity's advancement]]. It helps that ''Wolfwalkers'''s director Tomm Moore has often cited Studio Ghibli's works as inspiration for his own movies.

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* FriendlyFandoms: People who have seen this film and ''WesternAnimation/{{Wolfwalkers}}'' are often fans of both. The two movies both use a [[WildChild feral girl associated with wolves]] (San/Mebh) befriending an outsider (Ashitaka/Robyn) to tell a story about [[GreenAesop the unbalanced relationship between nature and humanity's advancement]]. It helps that ''Wolfwalkers'''s ''Wolfwalkers''' director Tomm Moore has often cited Studio Ghibli's works as inspiration for his own movies.
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* FriendlyFandoms: People who have seen this film and ''WesternAnimation/{{Wolfwalkers}}'' are often fans of both. The two movies both use a [[WildChild feral girl associated with wolves]] (San/Mebh) befriending an outsider (Ashitaka/Robyn) to tell a story about [[GreenAesop the unbalanced relationship between nature and humanity's advancement]]. It helps that ''Wolfwalkers'''s director Tomm Moore has often cited Studio Ghibli's works as inspiration for his own movies.
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** Analysts regard ''Princess Mononoke'' as Miyazaki's own take on ''Animation/{{The Snow Queen|1957}}'', a film that he regarded as his main inspiration as an animator. In fact, the Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Snow_Queen_(1957_film) page]] for ''The Snow Queen'' has a whole section dedicated to how ''Princess Mononoke'' was influenced by it in both characters and themes.

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** Analysts regard ''Princess Mononoke'' as Miyazaki's own take on ''Animation/{{The Snow Queen|1957}}'', a film that he regarded as his main inspiration as an animator. In fact, the Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} Website/{{Wikipedia}} [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Snow_Queen_(1957_film) page]] for ''The Snow Queen'' has a whole section dedicated to how ''Princess Mononoke'' was influenced by it in both characters and themes.
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* WTHCastingAgency: Billy Bob Thornton as Jigo has been a head-scratching choice for years. He reportedly took the role thinking it was a children's film, so his [[SoMyKidsCanWatch own could watch it]]. That said, many have noted that he brings an affable, subtle cynicism to the role unique from what other actors may have tried.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Billy Bob Thornton Creator/BillyBobThornton as Jigo has been a head-scratching choice for years. He reportedly took the role thinking it was a children's film, so his [[SoMyKidsCanWatch own could watch it]]. That said, many have noted that he brings an affable, subtle cynicism to the role unique from what other actors may have tried.
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* HarsherInHindsight: If one thinks about it, what happens to Moro and her wolves, along with Ashitaka being the last prince of the Emishi is this in the contexts of the real world, as both species of Japanese wolves (Honshu and Hokkaido) were hunted to extinction in 1889 and 1905 and the Emishi have been lost to history.
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** Toki being a {{Tsundere}} towards her husband and showing admiration for the younger Ashitaka is a bit awkward to watch now with her English dub voice actress Creator/JadaPinkettSmith being revealed to be abusive towards her husband Creator/WillSmith and cheating on him with their children's friends. These incidents would culminate and be unveiled with the infamous incident of Will slapping Creator/ChrisRock in front of the whole world at the Oscars.
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* UncannyValley: The Forest Spirit’s daytime form is a chimera-like creature who often falls into this. He’s a deer with strange birdlike feet, too many antlers, and a flat face almost like a baboon or human.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Sure, it's a Ghibli movie, but it's still a great deal BloodierAndGorier than most of Miyazaki's works. A lot of kids were traumatized by this movie when their parents took them to see it because ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' came out in America at around the same time. So logically, they'd love another Japanime type skit, right? There were reports of more than one parent storming out with their kid at the first decapitation and older kids and teens roped into watching it with their younger siblings cheering at the very same part.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: It may be much BloodierAndGorier than most Ghibli films, but this was still aimed at the same family audience that most Ghibli films are aimed at, with Miyazaki specifically targeting [[Main/ShonenDemographic fifth-graders]] as the main demographic. The film is considered a family film in Japan with a G rating, despite getting a PG-13 rating in the US. It also received a PG rating in the UK, despite showing the violence and gore completely uncut. But on the other hand...
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Sure, it's a Ghibli movie, but it's still a great deal BloodierAndGorier than most of Miyazaki's works. A lot of kids were traumatized by this movie when their parents took them to see it because ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' came out in America at around the same time. So logically, they'd love another Japanime type skit, right? There were reports of more than one parent storming out with their kid at the first decapitation and older kids and teens roped into watching it with their younger siblings cheering at the very same part. That said, it is still considered an all-ages film in Japan, and the film's reputation as an adult animation is a case of ValuesDissonance with Japanese audiences having a higher threshold for violence in family films.
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** Toki being a {{Tsundere}} towards her husband and showing admiration for the younger Ashitaka is a bit awkward to watch now with her English dub voice actress Creator/JadaPinkettSmith being revealed to be abusive towards her husband Creator/WillSmith and cheating on him with their children's friends. These incidents would culminate and be unveiled with the infamous incident of Will slapping Creator/ChrisRock in front of the whole world at the Oscars.

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* {{Narm}}:
** Ashitaka rips off the arms of a samurai and beheads two more over the course of the film, ''with fired arrows''. It is intended to make his curse more sinister, but it's also nearly bloodless and almost funny. Maybe done intentionally.
** "MY ARRRRRRRRRRRRRM!!"
** "FOREST SPIRIT! WE GIVE YOU BACK YOUR HEAD! TAKE IT! AND '''BE AT PEACE!'''"
** "I didn't know the Forest Spirit made the flowers grow." Um, why wouldn't you think that?

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{{Narm}}: Ashitaka rips off the arms of a samurai and beheads two more over the course of the film, ''with fired arrows''. It is intended to make his curse more sinister, but it's also nearly bloodless and almost funny. Maybe done intentionally.
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%% ** "FOREST SPIRIT! WE GIVE YOU BACK YOUR HEAD! TAKE IT! AND '''BE AT PEACE!'''"
%% ** "I didn't know the Forest Spirit made the flowers grow." Um, why wouldn't you think that?
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Sure, it's a Ghibli movie. So is ''Anime/GraveOfTheFireflies''. A lot of kids were traumatized by this movie when their parents took them to see it because ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' came out in America at around the same time. So logically, they'd love another Japanime type skit, right? There were reports of more than one parent storming out with their kid at the first decapitation and older kids and teens roped into watching it with their younger siblings cheering at the very same part.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Sure, it's a Ghibli movie. So is ''Anime/GraveOfTheFireflies''.movie, but it's still a great deal BloodierAndGorier than most of Miyazaki's works. A lot of kids were traumatized by this movie when their parents took them to see it because ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' came out in America at around the same time. So logically, they'd love another Japanime type skit, right? There were reports of more than one parent storming out with their kid at the first decapitation and older kids and teens roped into watching it with their younger siblings cheering at the very same part.

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* StoicWoobie: Ashitaka learns that he is cursed both to die and to go mad with hatred in the process-- something he only learns in the first ten minutes of the film. Yet he remains the moral presence that charms the others with his purity.



* StoicWoobie: Ashitaka learns that he is cursed both to die and to go mad with hatred in the process-- something he only learns in the first ten minutes of the film. Yet he remains the moral presence that charms the others with his purity.
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%%* {{Anvilicious}}: [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped In a graceful, powerful, heartfelt way]].

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%%* {{Anvilicious}}: [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped In a graceful, powerful, heartfelt way]].way.

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* BrokenBase: Other Ghibli dubs have fallen into this atmosphere, but viewers can't seem to decide if the Miramax/Disney dub is good in its own right or a watered down travesty to the original Japanese. Purists stubbornly declare it's the latter, but there are fans of the English dub.


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* SubbingVersusDubbing: Other Ghibli dubs have fallen into this atmosphere, but viewers can't seem to decide if the Miramax/Disney dub is good in its own right or a watered down travesty to the original Japanese. Purists stubbornly declare it's the latter, but there are fans of the English dub.
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** Analysts regard ''Princess Mononoke'' as his own take on ''Animation/{{The Snow Queen|1957}}'', a film that he regarded as his main inspiration as an animator. In fact, the Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Snow_Queen_(1957_film) page]] for ''The Snow Queen'' has a whole section dedicated to how ''Princess Mononoke'' was influenced by it in both characters and themes.

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** Analysts regard ''Princess Mononoke'' as his Miyazaki's own take on ''Animation/{{The Snow Queen|1957}}'', a film that he regarded as his main inspiration as an animator. In fact, the Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Snow_Queen_(1957_film) page]] for ''The Snow Queen'' has a whole section dedicated to how ''Princess Mononoke'' was influenced by it in both characters and themes.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: It was once said that ''WesternAnimation/{{Pocahontas}}'', was the movie Disney wanted to make but didn't have the delicacy to do properly.
* StoicWoobie: Ashitaka learns that he is cursed both to die and to go mad with hatred in the process - something he only learns in the first ten minutes of the film. Yet he remains the moral presence that charms the others with his purity.

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* SpiritualAdaptation: SpiritualAdaptation:
** Analysts regard ''Princess Mononoke'' as his own take on ''Animation/{{The Snow Queen|1957}}'', a film that he regarded as his main inspiration as an animator. In fact, the Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Snow_Queen_(1957_film) page]] for ''The Snow Queen'' has a whole section dedicated to how ''Princess Mononoke'' was influenced by it in both characters and themes.
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It was once said that ''WesternAnimation/{{Pocahontas}}'', ''Princess Mononoke'' was the Japanese counterpart to ''WesternAnimation/{{Pocahontas}}'' two years earlier, being the movie Disney wanted to make there but didn't have the delicacy to do properly.
* StoicWoobie: Ashitaka learns that he is cursed both to die and to go mad with hatred in the process - process-- something he only learns in the first ten minutes of the film. Yet he remains the moral presence that charms the others with his purity.
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** Claire Danes (the voice of San in the English version) comments in the DVD's special features that she came into the film expecting it to be a children's movie.

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** Claire Danes Creator/ClaireDanes (the voice of San in the English version) comments in the DVD's special features that she came into the film expecting it to be a children's movie.

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* MemeticMutation: "We are here to kill the humans and save the forest."[[labelnote:Explanation]]This line from the boars has become half-jokingly used as a slogan among more radical environmentalists on the internet[[/labelnote]]

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"We are here to kill the humans and save the forest."[[labelnote:Explanation]]This line from the boars has become half-jokingly used as a slogan among more radical environmentalists on the internet[[/labelnote]]internet[[/labelnote]]
** The scene where [[https://me.me/i/ill-cut-your-throat-thatll-shut-you-up-youre-beautiful-15271879 San threatens to cut Ashitaka's throat and Ashitaka replying with "you're beautiful"]] has become a popular image to redraw with pairings from different franchises.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Fans are split over Claire Danes as San in the English dub. Half feels she is too whiny - the Unshaved Mouse saying she felt more like a ValleyGirl throwing a tantrum. The other half felt she brought a refreshing degree of anger and aggression that was absent in the Japanese dub.

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Fans are split over Claire Danes as San in the English dub. Half feels she is too whiny - the Unshaved Mouse saying she felt more like a ValleyGirl throwing a tantrum. The other half felt she brought a refreshing degree of anger and aggression that was absent in the Japanese dub.dub.
** The antagonists, Jigo and Lady Eboshi, are quite divisive. Some enjoy them due to their likable traits (Jigo being [[AffablyEvil genuinely friendly]] towards Ashitaka and Eboshi taking care of the lepers), others are frustrated by them being {{Karma Houdini}}s who get away scot-free despite their atrocious actions. Eboshi does [[spoiler: get her arm bitten off by Moro]] but it's up in the air whether that's enough.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Fans are split over Claire Danes as San in the English dub. Half feels she is too whiny - the Unshaved Mouse saying she felt more like a ValleyGirl throwing a tantrum. The other half felt she brought a refreshing degree of anger and aggression that was absent in the Japanese dub.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
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BaseBreakingCharacter: Fans are split over Claire Danes as San in the English dub. Half feels she is too whiny - the Unshaved Mouse saying she felt more like a ValleyGirl throwing a tantrum. The other half felt she brought a refreshing degree of anger and aggression that was absent in the Japanese dub.
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* WTHCastingAgency: Billy Bob Thornton as Jigo has been a head-scratching choice for years. He reportedly took the role thinking it was a children's film, so his [[SoMyKidsCanWatch own could watch it]].

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* WTHCastingAgency: Billy Bob Thornton as Jigo has been a head-scratching choice for years. He reportedly took the role thinking it was a children's film, so his [[SoMyKidsCanWatch own could watch it]]. That said, many have noted that he brings an affable, subtle cynicism to the role unique from what other actors may have tried.
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* UncannyValley: The Forest Spirit’s daytime form is a chimera-like creature who often falls into this. He’s a deer with strange birdlike feet, too many antlers, and a flat face almost like a baboon or human.
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** Billy Crudup makes numerous lines of Ashitaka into soft whispers each time he threatens someone and adds a hefty dose of TranquilFury to his tone. This ''sharply'' contrasts with flat and normally voiced delivery of Yôji Matsuda for the same parts, even if they say exactly the same things.

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** Billy Crudup makes numerous lines of Ashitaka into soft whispers each time he threatens someone and adds a hefty dose of TranquilFury to his tone. This ''sharply'' contrasts with the flat and normally voiced delivery of Yôji Matsuda for the same parts, even if they say exactly the same things.

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