History YMMV / Portal2

30th Sep '17 8:16:36 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** Did the turrets [[spoiler: fake-out their BolivianArmyEnding and instead sing Chell a farewell song]] on GLaDOS's orders, or ''in spite of them''?

to:

*** Did the turrets [[spoiler: fake-out their BolivianArmyEnding and instead sing Chell a farewell song]] on GLaDOS's [=GLaDOS=]'s orders, or ''in spite of them''?
26th Sep '17 6:22:24 PM Scabbard
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Virtually ''everybody'' assumes that [[HeroicMime Chell]] is the daughter of Aperture's founder Cave Johnson and his secretary Caroline. There is evidence to suggest she was the daughter of ''someone'' at Aperture (her apparent signature appears on a children's science project in the 'Bring Your Daughter to Work Day' display) and the assumption is sort of understandable since Cave and Caroline are the only other human characters named in-game and [[spoiler: SelfDemonstrating/GLaDOS, who has Caroline's mind inside her, is obsessed with Chell to an almost mother-like degree]], but nowhere does it imply she was anything near as important as ''the daughter of the founder''. Plus, Cave Johnson died in the early 1980s and was already [[http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRz4dHOxT_HcG9wm4Poh4jO2dNbvgzjsxJwBs4f61DvkvOOC6UHAA old man]] at that point (He looked like [[http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1St-hilbYCDv9ozHZgfB2kbfPRdp8DoT2ZUjaFIUzChkRUtq7 this]] circa 1943). In the first game, Chell looks like she could maybe be a young-looking forty-something at oldest, and in the higher-quality graphics of the second she doesn't look a day over 30. Cave ''could'' have [[MadScientist invented something]] to keep his daughter young or himself and Caroline fertile, and he's crazy enough to force people to spend years in stasis or something, but you still have to be ''really trying'' to interpret him as Chell's father to make it work.

to:

** Virtually ''everybody'' assumes that [[HeroicMime Chell]] is the daughter of Aperture's founder Cave Johnson and his secretary Caroline. There is evidence to suggest she was the daughter of ''someone'' at Aperture (her apparent signature appears on a children's science project in the 'Bring Your Daughter to Work Day' display) and the assumption is sort of understandable since Cave and Caroline are the only other human characters named in-game and [[spoiler: SelfDemonstrating/GLaDOS, who has Caroline's mind inside her, is obsessed with Chell to an almost mother-like degree]], but nowhere does it imply she was anything near as important as ''the daughter of the founder''. Plus, Cave Johnson died in the early 1980s and was already [[http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRz4dHOxT_HcG9wm4Poh4jO2dNbvgzjsxJwBs4f61DvkvOOC6UHAA old man]] at that point (He (he looked like [[http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1St-hilbYCDv9ozHZgfB2kbfPRdp8DoT2ZUjaFIUzChkRUtq7 this]] circa 1943). In the first game, Chell looks like she could maybe be a young-looking forty-something at oldest, and in the higher-quality graphics of the second she doesn't look a day over 30. Cave ''could'' have [[MadScientist invented something]] to keep his daughter young or himself and Caroline fertile, and he's crazy enough to force people to spend years in stasis or something, but you still have to be ''really trying'' to interpret him as Chell's father to make it work.
7th Sep '17 8:49:06 AM SeptimusHeap
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** At the end of the single-player campaign, [[spoiler:Chell is abandoned in a field of grain with nothing but a CompanionCube for company]]. Depending on how the world of ''Portal'' interacts with the ''VideoGame/{{Half-Life}}'' universe, she could be very screwed. The humans presumably beat the Combine within that time, and they seem to have accomplished some rebuilding since the wheat field appears to have been actively cultivated, but who knows what else is going on? However, it's also inverted: since Earth's atmosphere is still breathable and there are still birds and plants, we can infer that the Combine was defeated before they managed to xenoform the planet.

to:

** At the end of the single-player campaign, [[spoiler:Chell is abandoned in a field of grain with nothing but a CompanionCube for company]]. Depending on how the world of ''Portal'' interacts with the ''VideoGame/{{Half-Life}}'' ''VideoGame/HalfLife'' universe, she could be very screwed. The humans presumably beat the Combine within that time, and they seem to have accomplished some rebuilding since the wheat field appears to have been actively cultivated, but who knows what else is going on? However, it's also inverted: since Earth's atmosphere is still breathable and there are still birds and plants, we can infer that the Combine was defeated before they managed to xenoform the planet.
1st Sep '17 11:13:02 PM Psychadelico
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** During the ending song, when she sings [[spoiler:"That would be funny if it weren't so sad"]], is she still mocking Chell, or is this a tacit admission that Chell really is [[spoiler:her only friend]]?

to:

*** Did the turrets [[spoiler: fake-out their BolivianArmyEnding and instead sing Chell a farewell song]] on GLaDOS's orders, or ''in spite of them''?
*** During the ending song, when she sings [[spoiler:"That [[spoiler:"Goodbye my only friend. / Oh did you think I meant you? / That would be funny if it weren't so sad"]], is she still mocking Chell, or is this a tacit admission that Chell really is [[spoiler:her only friend]]?
16th Aug '17 6:44:47 PM E1craZ4life
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** One of the Fact Core's "facts" is "Dreams are the subconscious minds way of reminding people to go to school naked and have their teeth fall out.". [[spoiler:One could hazard to guess that [[WesternAnimation/InsideOut Riley Anderson]] might have played this game.]]
23rd Jun '17 7:37:44 AM Gosicrystal
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** One of the taunt Wheatley gives for making you jump down the pit is the supposed pony farm he has down there. If only Valve knew of a certain PeripheryDemographic of a certain [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic cartoon show]] that suddenly was popular about the time of the game's release...
*** [[http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q1QIRmSplck/TcmVxYBzjBI/AAAAAAAAEVQ/u0Buxeo3u0c/s1600/pony_farm__portal2_spoilers__by_don_komandorr-d3g1cvv.jpg Yep.]]
*** And let's not forget that at the end of the game, [[spoiler:Wheatley gets banished to the moon.]] Also, it turns out Gabe Newell is a fan of the show!

to:

** One of the taunt taunts Wheatley gives for making you jump down the pit is the supposed pony farm he has down there. If only Valve knew of a certain PeripheryDemographic of a certain [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic cartoon show]] that suddenly was popular about the time of the game's release...
***
release... Then [[http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q1QIRmSplck/TcmVxYBzjBI/AAAAAAAAEVQ/u0Buxeo3u0c/s1600/pony_farm__portal2_spoilers__by_don_komandorr-d3g1cvv.jpg Yep.]]
***
this]] came up to mock this very concept. And let's not forget that at the end of the game, [[spoiler:Wheatley gets banished to the moon.]] Also, it It turns out Gabe Newell is a fan of the show!



* JerkassWoobie
** [[spoiler: Cave Johnson. We get to listen to him descend into bitterness and despair shortly before his death.]]
** [[spoiler: Wheatley, that lovable idiot, floating in space potentially forever. He says he's sorry, and how much of it was ever really his fault?]]
** [[spoiler: [=GLaDOS=]. Apparently spent the time between games reliving her own destruction over and over and over again, if you believe her own report. Has her head painfully ripped off her body while she screams in horror. Attached to a potato battery purely as humiliation. Has to listen to someone she knows to be a complete moron gloat about his victory over her and watch him ruin her beloved facility. Oh, and we find out how maddening the influence of the personality cores and the mainframe must have been all this time. And that's without even getting into the whole Caroline backstory, which is pretty sad and traumatic no matter how you interpret the details.]]

to:

* JerkassWoobie
JerkassWoobie:
** [[spoiler: Cave Johnson. We get to listen to him descend into bitterness and despair shortly [[spoiler:shortly before his death.]]
death]].
** [[spoiler: Wheatley, that lovable idiot, floating [[spoiler:floating in space potentially forever. He says he's sorry, and how much of it was ever really his fault?]]
** [[spoiler: [=GLaDOS=]. Apparently spent the time between games reliving [[spoiler:reliving her own destruction over and over and over again, if you believe her own report. Has her head painfully ripped off her body while she screams in horror. Attached to a potato battery purely as humiliation. Has to listen to someone she knows to be a complete moron gloat about his victory over her and watch him ruin her beloved facility. Oh, and we find out how maddening the influence of the personality cores and the mainframe must have been all this time. And that's without even getting into the whole Caroline backstory, which is pretty sad and traumatic no matter how you interpret the details.]]



* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: After entering [[spoiler:Old Aperture]], a piece of music (titled [[spoiler:"Music of the Spheres"]] in the soundtrack) plays that is very obviously inspired by, and sounds a lot like, the famous prelude from ''Film/{{Vertigo}}''.

to:

* SuspiciouslySimilarSong: SuspiciouslySimilarSong:
**
After entering [[spoiler:Old Aperture]], a piece of music (titled [[spoiler:"Music of the Spheres"]] in the soundtrack) plays that is very obviously inspired by, and sounds a lot like, the famous prelude from ''Film/{{Vertigo}}''.



* UglyCute: [[spoiler: On the one hand, it's an old potato. On the other hand, [[CutenessProximity DAWWWW [=GLaDOS=] IS SO SMALL LOOK AT HER]]]]

to:

* UglyCute: [[spoiler: On [[spoiler:On the one hand, it's an old potato. On the other hand, [[CutenessProximity DAWWWW [=GLaDOS=] IS SO SMALL LOOK AT HER]]]]HER]].]]



** The "Space" Core. All it wants is to go to space. [[spoiler: And it gets its wish!]]

to:

** The "Space" Core. All it wants is to go to space. [[spoiler: And [[spoiler:And it gets its wish!]]
23rd Jun '17 7:25:28 AM Gosicrystal
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* FountainOfMemes: Cave Johnson is becoming one.
** SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!

to:

* %%* FountainOfMemes: Cave Johnson is becoming one.
** SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!
Johnson.



* MemeticBadass: The Adventure Core.

to:

* %%* MemeticBadass: The Adventure Core.



** Just about everything the Space Sphere says, especially "SPAAAAAAAAACE".

to:

** Just about everything the Space Sphere says, especially "SPAAAAAAAAACE". [[labelnote:spoiler]]You and the Space Sphere ''do'' end up going to space, causing many players to laugh their ass off.[[/labelnote]]



** "He says what we're all thinking!"
** "They told me that if I made up any more of these memes, I WOULD DIE!"
** [[spoiler: "Gla-tato," "Potat-OS" and its variants seem to be worming their way into this category as well.]]

to:

** [[spoiler:"Gla-tato", "Potat-OS"]] and its variants. [[labelnote:spoiler]][=GLaDOS=]'s AI is thrust into a potato midway through the game, and stays that way until you defeat the FinalBoss.[[/labelnote]]
%%**
"He says what we're all thinking!"
** %%** "They told me that if I made up any more of these memes, I WOULD DIE!"
** [[spoiler: "Gla-tato," "Potat-OS" and its variants seem to be worming their way into this category as well.]]
DIE!"
23rd Jun '17 6:27:42 AM Gosicrystal
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* AlternateCharacterInterpretation
** [=GLaDOS=]: [[spoiler:Did she really delete part or all of Caroline? If she did, was it just a matter of deleting Caroline's memories, or did she murder an actual consciousness? Or was it not a murder but a MercyKill?]]
*** [[spoiler:Does she see Chell as her lover, daughter, friend, enemy, or some combination of the above?]]
*** [[spoiler:How much of her crazy do we attribute to the mainframe, the personality cores, the trauma of Caroline's uploading, and/or Caroline's original personality (after all, she didn't seem to mind Cave's ComedicSociopathy...)?]]

to:

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation
AlternateCharacterInterpretation:
** [=GLaDOS=]: [[spoiler:Did [=GLaDOS=]:
*** Did
she really delete [[spoiler:delete part or all of Caroline? Caroline]]? If she did, was it just a matter of deleting [[spoiler:deleting Caroline's memories, or did she murder an actual consciousness? Or was it not a murder but a MercyKill?]]
MercyKill]]?
*** [[spoiler:Does Does she see Chell as her [[spoiler:her lover, daughter, friend, enemy, enemy]], or some combination of the above?]]
these?
*** [[spoiler:How How much of her crazy do we attribute to the mainframe, the personality cores, the trauma of Caroline's [[spoiler:Caroline's uploading, and/or Caroline's original personality (after all, she didn't seem to mind Cave's ComedicSociopathy...)?]])]]?



*** [[spoiler:Oh, and is [=PotatOS=] really unable to lie? If it was true when she said it, is she still unable to lie after the extra jolt from the portal gun?]]
*** When, at the end, [=GLaDOS=] says [[spoiler: "And killing you? Is hard.", is that because she's grown emotionally attached to Chell, or is just admitting that Chell is [[{{The Determinator}} impossible to kill]]?]]
** During the ending song, when she sings [[spoiler: "That would be funny if it weren't so sad"]], is she still mocking Chell, or is this a tacit admission that Chell really is [[spoiler: her only friend]]?
** [=Wheatley=]: [[spoiler:As with [=GLaDOS=], how much of his FaceHeelTurn do we attribute to the mainframe's influence? Did he really expect Chell to be killed in his escape all along, as he says in the final boss fight?]]

to:

*** [[spoiler:Oh, and is [[spoiler:Is [=PotatOS=] really unable to lie? If it was true when she said it, is she still unable to lie after the extra jolt from the portal gun?]]
*** When, at the end, [=GLaDOS=] says [[spoiler: "And [[spoiler:"And killing you? Is hard.", is that because she's grown emotionally attached to Chell, or is just admitting that Chell is [[{{The Determinator}} impossible to kill]]?]]
** *** During the ending song, when she sings [[spoiler: "That [[spoiler:"That would be funny if it weren't so sad"]], is she still mocking Chell, or is this a tacit admission that Chell really is [[spoiler: her [[spoiler:her only friend]]?
** [=Wheatley=]: [[spoiler:As [=Wheatley=]:
*** As
with [=GLaDOS=], how much of his FaceHeelTurn [[spoiler:his turn to insanity do we attribute to the mainframe's influence? Did he really expect Chell to be killed in his escape all along, as he says in the final boss fight?]]fight]]?



*** The exact nature of his stupidity as well. [[spoiler: Is his ability to come up with decently clever plans because they will result in the dumbest outcome, the facility exploding? Or is he just another Aperture Science invention that doesn't work the way it is supposed?]]
** [[spoiler:What if Cave Johnson is actually a freaking genius and natural/scientific philosopher, and the rest of the world (especially Black Mesa, who practically ended the world) is instead floundering in the gaping maw of madness?]]

to:

*** The exact nature of his stupidity as well. [[spoiler: Is stupidity. [[spoiler:Is his ability to come up with decently clever plans because they will result in the dumbest outcome, the facility exploding? Or is he just another Aperture Science invention that doesn't work the way it is supposed?]]
** [[spoiler:What What if Cave Johnson is actually a freaking genius and natural/scientific philosopher, and the rest of the world (especially Black Mesa, who practically ended the world) is instead floundering in the gaping maw of madness?]]madness?



** BilingualBonus: [[spoiler: Cara Mia Addio as the song is called is Italian for [[FoeYay "farewell my dear"]]]]
* BrokenBase: There are two real camps of ''Portal 2'' fans, those who find it to be an excellent game and often say it's one of the best games ever, and those who think it's far too short and the focus on Co-op and relative ease of puzzles makes it simplistic. The former are decried as newbies to the Portal franchise who don't understand what made the first game great and the latter are decried as StopHavingFunGuys who can't enjoy the story.
** There's also some disagreement on the ending: [[spoiler: players either consider it to be a face value happy conclusion to the story with [[http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/halolz-dot-com-portal2-fuckscience.jpg Chell finally getting the relief and peace of mind she deserves after all that hell in the company of her old friend]], or is she trapped in the middle of nowhere with no one to help her after being exposed to various harmful chemicals and the vacuum of space doomed to a slow death of dehydration or worse?]]
*** [[spoiler: [[TakeAThirdOption What about those who view it as both?]]]]
** Hasn't exactly sparked too big of a {{flamewar}} over it (yet), but there is definitely a BrokenBase regarding Wheatley's voice. Was Valve wrong to replace Richard Lord, or did they make a good choice hiring Stephen Merchant?
** It is worth noting that Richard Lord was [[MisBlamed never supposed to be Wheatley's voice actor]]. Richard Lord is a programmer for Valve, and did the voice as a stand-in for the E3 demonstration. When Wheatley turned out to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse so popular during the demo]], Valve went out to get big-name Stephen Merchant.

to:

* BrokenBase:
** BilingualBonus: [[spoiler: Cara Mia Addio as the song is called is Italian for [[FoeYay "farewell my dear"]]]]
* BrokenBase:
There are two real camps of ''Portal 2'' fans, those who find it to be an excellent game and often say it's one of the best games ever, and those who think it's far too short and the focus on Co-op and relative ease of puzzles makes it simplistic. The former are decried as newbies to the Portal franchise who don't understand what made the first game great and the latter are decried as StopHavingFunGuys who can't enjoy the story.
** There's also some disagreement on the ending: [[spoiler: players either consider [[spoiler:is it to be a face value happy conclusion to the story with [[http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/halolz-dot-com-portal2-fuckscience.jpg Chell finally getting the relief and peace of mind she deserves after all that hell in the company of her old friend]], or is she trapped in the middle of nowhere with no one to help her after being exposed to various harmful chemicals and the vacuum of space doomed to a slow death of dehydration or worse?]]
*** [[spoiler:
worse]]? Then there are those players who [[TakeAThirdOption What about those who view it as both?]]]]
both]].
** Hasn't exactly sparked too big of a {{flamewar}} over it (yet), but there is definitely a BrokenBase regarding Wheatley's voice. Was Valve wrong to replace Richard Lord, or did they make a good choice hiring Stephen Merchant?
**
Merchant? It is worth noting that Richard Lord was [[MisBlamed never supposed to be Wheatley's voice actor]]. Richard Lord is a programmer for Valve, and did the voice as a stand-in for the E3 demonstration. When Wheatley turned out to be [[EnsembleDarkhorse so popular during the demo]], Valve went out to get big-name Stephen Merchant.
28th Mar '17 12:46:40 PM morenohijazo
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* FanNickname:
** Oracle Turret for the "different" turret you can save from the Redemption Line, since everything it says is {{foreshadowing}}, though this comes from the developers.
** [=GLaDOS=] is known as [[spoiler: [=PotatOS=] when in her potato form]], a name that also shows up in the developer commentary.
** Similar to how the Adventure Core claims to be named "Rick," some the fandom has begun to call the Fact Sphere "Craig," based on the portion of his monologue where he claims that Craig is the best name, according to the world's most advanced algorithms.
27th Jan '17 7:57:51 PM CrazyToons
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** After playing the absurdly irresponsible portal scientist Cave Johnson, JK Simmons went on to play the Author in ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', another scientist who works with a portal, and is extremely serious about the safety issues involved.

to:

** After playing the absurdly irresponsible portal scientist Cave Johnson, JK Simmons went on to play the Author [[spoiler:the Author]] in ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', another scientist who works with a portal, and is extremely serious about the safety issues involved.
This list shows the last 10 events of 127. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.Portal2