Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / PokemonTheMovieBlackAndWhite

Go To

OR

Changed: 22

Removed: 558



* {{Fanon}}: Most of the fandom views ''White—Victini and Zekrom'' as the "[[LooseCanon canon]]" version, since Ash being the Hero of Ideals is much more in character for him than the Hero of Truth. This is also consistent with the anime's StoryArc pertaining to the legendary dragons having N as the Hero of Truth and noting a connection between Ash and Zekrom.

to:

* {{Fanon}}: Most of the fandom views ''White—Victini and Zekrom'' as the "[[LooseCanon canon]]" version, since Ash being the Hero of Ideals is much more in in-line for his character for him than the Hero of Truth. This is also consistent with the anime's StoryArc pertaining to the legendary dragons having N as the Hero of Truth and noting a connection between Ash and Zekrom.



* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]] and the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] at the time, as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate successor]]).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{Fanon}}: Most of the fandom views ''White—Victini and Zekrom'' as the "[[LooseCanon canon]]" version, since Ash being the Hero of Ideals is much more in character for him then the Hero of Truth. This is also consistent with the anime's StoryArc pertaining to the legendary dragons having N as the Hero of Truth and noting a connection between Ash and Zekrom.

to:

* {{Fanon}}: Most of the fandom views ''White—Victini and Zekrom'' as the "[[LooseCanon canon]]" version, since Ash being the Hero of Ideals is much more in character for him then than the Hero of Truth. This is also consistent with the anime's StoryArc pertaining to the legendary dragons having N as the Hero of Truth and noting a connection between Ash and Zekrom.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FridgeBrilliance: The Dragon Force became destructive as a result of the two brothers of yore fighting their battle with Reshiram and Zekrom. [[spoiler: It was neither the truth of collapse/the ideal of harmony that Ash bore nor the ideal of rebirth/the truth of vigilance Damon possessed that saved the Kingdom of the Vale in the end, but the cooperation between them, and between Reshiram and Zekrom in turn.]] [[{{Aesop}} Hate and zeal only destroy themselves and everything around them]].

Changed: 25

Removed: 158

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Since it has gone years without elaboration...


%%* HilariousInHindsight: During the climax, Iris and Carlita escape the Sword of the Vale by "[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII getting onto a Hydreigon's back]]".



* TearJerker: Ash's [[DisneyDeath supposed death]], holding Victini in his arms and quietly apologizing to him. He then sheds a SingleTear. It's in this moment that, for the first time in any of these movies and having [[NervesOfSteel faced (and/or cheated) death several times before in all sorts of circumstances]], this is the first time Ash realizes the odds are far too heavily favored against him...and for the first time seemingly ''ever'', for a brief moment, [[HeroicRROD Ash gives up]].

to:

* TearJerker: Ash's [[DisneyDeath supposed death]], holding Victini in his arms and quietly apologizing to him. He then sheds a SingleTear. It's in this moment that, for the first time in any of these movies and having [[NervesOfSteel faced (and/or cheated) death several times before in all sorts of circumstances]], this is the first time Ash realizes the odds are far too heavily favored against him...and for the first time seemingly ''ever'', [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness for a brief moment, moment]], [[HeroicRROD Ash gives up]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]] and the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] at the time, as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate successor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the Unova season.

to:

* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]] and the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] at the time, as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate successor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the Unova season.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: The earliest promotions for the films advertised the child characters as each being exclusive to one of the films, Luis exclusive to Black and Luisa exclusive to White. In the finished product, both characters are in both films and don't really do anything in either.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* TearJerker: Ash's [[DisneyDeath supposed death]], holding Victini in his arms and quietly apologizing to him. He then sheds a SingleTear. It's in this moment that, for the first time in any of these movies and having [[NervesOfSteel faced (and/or cheated) death several times before in all sorts of circumstances]], this is the first time Ash realizes the odds are far too heavily favored against him...and for the first time seemingly ''ever'', for a brief moment, [[HeroicRROD Ash gives up]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* NightmareFuel: Hey~ wanna know just what [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude_sickness exposure to high/extreme altitudes]] was doing to Ash's ten-year-old body?

to:

* NightmareFuel: Hey~ wanna know just what [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude_sickness exposure to high/extreme altitudes]] was doing to Ash's ten-year-old body?body?
* {{Woolseyism}}: The English titles. In Japanese, the names are 'The Black Hero: Zekrom', and 'The White Hero: Reshiram'. In English, the colours are swapped, so now each of the dragons are associated with the opposite coloured movie, so Reshiram is now the mascot of the Black movie, and vice versa, which matches up with the mascots of the games themselves. This also matches up with Damon's Pokemon, as in Black, he has a Gothitelle, and in White, he has a Reuniclus, each of which are exclusive to the game that shares a name with the movie.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]] and the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] at the time, as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate successor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the Unova season.

to:

* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]] and the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] at the time, as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate successor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the Unova season.season.
* NightmareFuel: Hey~ wanna know just what [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altitude_sickness exposure to high/extreme altitudes]] was doing to Ash's ten-year-old body?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* {{Fanon}}: Most of the fandom views ''White—Victini and Zekrom'' as the "[[LooseCanon canon]]" version, since Ash being the Hero of Ideals is much more in character for him then the Hero of Truth. This is also consistent with the anime's StoryArc pertaining to the legendary dragons having N as the Hero of Truth and noting a connection between Ash and Zekrom.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Not YMMV


* HeyItsThatVoice: Damon is voiced by the same guy who voiced Tobias- how he agreed to voice another Pokemon character after that disgrace is a mystery.
* HumanFocusedAdaptation: One of the main criticisms of the films: by putting
too much focus on Ash and Damon, not having enough Pokémon battles, making Iris and Cilan [[DemotedToExtra mostly background characters]], and having Reshiram and Zekrom appear for a total of ten minutes.

Added: 281

Changed: 322

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HumanFocusedAdaptation: One of the main criticisms of the films: by putting too much focus on Ash and Damon, not having enough Pokémon battles, making Iris and Cilan [[DemotedToExtra mostly background characters]], and having Reshiram and Zekrom appear for a total of ten minutes.

to:

* HeyItsThatVoice: Damon is voiced by the same guy who voiced Tobias- how he agreed to voice another Pokemon character after that disgrace is a mystery.
* HumanFocusedAdaptation: One of the main criticisms of the films: by putting putting
too much focus on Ash and Damon, not having enough Pokémon battles, making Iris and Cilan [[DemotedToExtra mostly background characters]], and having Reshiram and Zekrom appear for a total of ten minutes.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
I don\'t see the comparison.


* HilariousInHindsight: During the climax, Iris and Carlita escape the Sword of the Vale by "[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII getting onto a Hydreigon's back]]".

to:

* %%* HilariousInHindsight: During the climax, Iris and Carlita escape the Sword of the Vale by "[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII getting onto a Hydreigon's back]]".
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* HilariousInHindsight: During the climax, Iris and Carlita escape the Sword of the Vale by "[[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII getting onto a Hydreigon's back]]".
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
moderator restored to earlier version
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Cleaning out flame-bait.


* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]] and the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] at the time, as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate successor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the Unova season.

to:

* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]] and the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] at the time, as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate successor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the Unova season.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]] and the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] at the time, as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate predecessor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the Unova season.

to:

* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]] and the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] at the time, as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate predecessor]]).successor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the Unova season.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* HumanFocusedAdaptation: One of the main criticisms of the films: by putting too much focus on Ash and Damon, not having enough Pokémon battles, making Iris and Cilan [[DemotedToExtra mostly background characters]], and having Reshiram and Zekrom appear for a total of ten minutes.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] and the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]], as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate predecessor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the Unova season.

to:

* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]] and the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] and at the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]], time, as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate predecessor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the Unova season.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] and the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]], as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate predecessor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the season.

to:

* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] and the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]], as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate predecessor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the Unova season.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] with ''Best Wishes'' in general and the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackWndWhite its namesake games]], as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate predecessor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the season.

to:

* HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] with ''Best Wishes'' in general and the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackWndWhite [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackandWhite its namesake games]], as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's largely been forgotten, and especially isn't considered to be up to the standards of the better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice immediate predecessor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the season.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
More accurate description


* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The movie's a lot more well-liked than the ''Diamond and Pearl'' movies and most other movies in the series, although it isn't widely considered to be up to the standards of the [[Anime/PokemonLucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew Lucario]] or [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice Kyurem]] movies.

to:

* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The HypeBacklash: When the (dual) movie was released, it generated quite a bit more hype than usual - possibly due to the anime series ''appearing'' to [[GrowingTheBeard get a bit better]] with ''Best Wishes'' in general and the popularity of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackWndWhite its namesake games]], as well as the dual-movie gimmick and limited US theatrical release. Now the movie's a lot more well-liked than the ''Diamond largely been forgotten, and Pearl'' movies and most other movies in the series, although it especially isn't widely considered to be up to the standards of the [[Anime/PokemonLucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew Lucario]] or better movies in the series (including its [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice Kyurem]] movies.immediate predecessor]]). Not helping matters is ''Best Wishes'' widely being considered the anime's DorkAge, although this movie is far from the lowest point of the season.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* DickDastardlyStopsToCheat: Victini gives Ash's pokemon power when they're about to lose, allowing them to OneHitKO Ash's opponents.
** Technically not this, since Ash didn't ask for it. He probably should've recused himself for receiving aid from a second Pokemon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
This all wasn\'t here for me.

Added DiffLines:

* DickDastardlyStopsToCheat: Victini gives Ash's pokemon power when they're about to lose, allowing them to OneHitKO Ash's opponents.
** Technically not this, since Ash didn't ask for it. He probably should've recused himself for receiving aid from a second Pokemon.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The movie's a lot more well-liked than the ''Diamond and Pearl'' movies and most other movies in the series, although it isn't widely considered to be up to the standards of the [[Anime/PokemonLucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew Lucario]] or [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice Kyurem]] movies.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Not actually liked more than previous entries


* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The movie's a lot more well-liked than the ''Diamond and Pearl'' movies and most other movies in the series, although it isn't widely considered to be up to the standards of the [[Anime/PokemonLucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew Lucario]] or [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice Kyurem]] movies.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The movie's a lot more well-liked than the ''Diamond and Pearl'' movies and most other movies in the series, although it isn't widely considered to be a comparative masterpiece like the [[Anime/PokemonLucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew Lucario movie]] is.

to:

* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The movie's a lot more well-liked than the ''Diamond and Pearl'' movies and most other movies in the series, although it isn't widely considered to be a comparative masterpiece like up to the standards of the [[Anime/PokemonLucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew Lucario movie]] is.Lucario]] or [[Anime/PokemonKyuremVsTheSwordOfJustice Kyurem]] movies.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The movie's a lot more well-liked than the ''Diamond and Pearl'' movies and most other movies in the series, although it isn't widely considered to be a comparative masterpiece like the [[PokemonLucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew Lucario movie]] is.

to:

* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The movie's a lot more well-liked than the ''Diamond and Pearl'' movies and most other movies in the series, although it isn't widely considered to be a comparative masterpiece like the [[PokemonLucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew [[Anime/PokemonLucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew Lucario movie]] is.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* DickDastardlyStopsToCheat: Victini gives Ash's pokemon power when they're about to lose, allowing them to OneHitKO Ash's opponents.
** Technically not this, since Ash didn't ask for it. He probably should've recused himself for receiving aid from a second Pokemon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The movie's a lot more well-liked than the ''Diamond and Pearl'' movies and most other movies in the series, although it isn't widely considered to be a comparative masterpiece like the [[LucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew Lucario movie]] is.

to:

* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The movie's a lot more well-liked than the ''Diamond and Pearl'' movies and most other movies in the series, although it isn't widely considered to be a comparative masterpiece like the [[LucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew [[PokemonLucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew Lucario movie]] is.

Added: 263

Changed: 40

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* DickDastardlyStopsToCheat: Victini give Ash's pokemon power when there about to lose and beat Ash's opponents with 1 hit!
** Technically not this, since Ash didn't ask for it. He probably should've recused himself for receiving aid from a second Pokemon.

to:

* DickDastardlyStopsToCheat: Victini give gives Ash's pokemon power when there they're about to lose and beat lose, allowing them to OneHitKO Ash's opponents with 1 hit!
opponents.
** Technically not this, since Ash didn't ask for it. He probably should've recused himself for receiving aid from a second Pokemon.Pokemon.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The movie's a lot more well-liked than the ''Diamond and Pearl'' movies and most other movies in the series, although it isn't widely considered to be a comparative masterpiece like the [[LucarioAndTheMysteryOfMew Lucario movie]] is.

Top