History YMMV / PokemonStadium

19th Sep '17 10:10:30 AM KamonTheSkunk
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** The Litte Cup in round 2 is an absolute nightmare, especially when compared to round 1. Rex aside, who has a team that consists of Pokemon that have move combinations that are impossible to obtain, the 3rd and 6th trainers love to make sure that you can't attack them period. The 3rd trainer will constantly use Swagger to increase your attack and confuse you so you'll take more damage than normal if you attack yourself, which is almost guaranteed to happen, as luck favors the computer far more than it does the player. The 6th trainer takes this UpToEleven as all of her Pokemon know the move Attract to keep any Pokemon of the opposite sex from attacking, but that's just the start of the hell. Half of her team also knows Thunder Wave to keep you from attacking first and from attacking at all most of the time, but [[RuleOfThree that's not even the worst offender.]] Each of her Pokemon knows a move that have a chance of making your Pokemon flinch, almost ensuring that you can't do a thing against any member of her team. As another sick trick, both her Poliwag and her Mareep, which she will more than likely use, both have items that will restore their hitpoints if they manage to get beat up. There's a reason that Stadium 2 is seen as the hardest Pokemon game to many people.

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** The Litte Cup in round 2 is an absolute nightmare, especially when compared to round 1. Rex aside, who has a team that consists of Pokemon that have move combinations that are impossible to obtain, the 3rd and 6th trainers love to make sure that you can't attack them period. The 3rd trainer will constantly use Swagger to increase your attack and confuse you so you'll take more damage than normal if you attack yourself, which is almost guaranteed to happen, as luck favors the computer far more than it does the player. The 6th trainer takes this UpToEleven as all of her Pokemon know the move Attract to keep any Pokemon of the opposite sex from attacking, but that's just the start of the hell. Half of her team also knows Thunder Wave to keep you from attacking first and from attacking at all most of the time, but [[RuleOfThree that's not even the worst offender.]] Each of her Pokemon knows a move that have a chance of making your Pokemon flinch, almost ensuring that you can't do a thing against any member of her team. As another sick trick, both her Poliwag and her Mareep, which she will more than likely use, both have items that will restore their hitpoints hit points if they manage to get beat up. There's a reason that Stadium 2 is seen as the hardest Pokemon game to many people.
18th Sep '17 11:56:48 AM KamonTheSkunk
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** The Litte Cup in round 2 is an absolute nightmare, especially when compared to round 1. Rex aside, who has a team that consists of Pokemon that have move combinations that are impossible to obtain, the 3rd and 6th trainers love to make sure that you can't attack them period. The 3rd trainer will constantly use Swagger to increase your attack and confuse you so you'll take more damage than normal if you attack yourself, which is almost guaranteed to happen, as luck favors the computer far more than it does the player. The 6th trainer takes this UpToEleven as all of her Pokemon know the move Attract to keep any Pokemon of the opposite sex from attacking, but that's just the start of the hell. Half of her team also knows Thunder Wave to keep you from attacking first and from attacking at all most of the time, but[[RuleOfThree that's not even the worst offender.]] Each of her Pokemon knows a move that have a chance of making your Pokemon flinch, almost ensuring that you can't do a thing against any member of her team. As another sick trick, both her Poliwag and her Mareep, which she will more than likely use, both have items that will restore their hitpoints if they manage to get beat up. There's a reason that Stadium 2 is seen as the hardest Pokemon game to many people.

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** The Litte Cup in round 2 is an absolute nightmare, especially when compared to round 1. Rex aside, who has a team that consists of Pokemon that have move combinations that are impossible to obtain, the 3rd and 6th trainers love to make sure that you can't attack them period. The 3rd trainer will constantly use Swagger to increase your attack and confuse you so you'll take more damage than normal if you attack yourself, which is almost guaranteed to happen, as luck favors the computer far more than it does the player. The 6th trainer takes this UpToEleven as all of her Pokemon know the move Attract to keep any Pokemon of the opposite sex from attacking, but that's just the start of the hell. Half of her team also knows Thunder Wave to keep you from attacking first and from attacking at all most of the time, but[[RuleOfThree but [[RuleOfThree that's not even the worst offender.]] Each of her Pokemon knows a move that have a chance of making your Pokemon flinch, almost ensuring that you can't do a thing against any member of her team. As another sick trick, both her Poliwag and her Mareep, which she will more than likely use, both have items that will restore their hitpoints if they manage to get beat up. There's a reason that Stadium 2 is seen as the hardest Pokemon game to many people.
18th Sep '17 11:56:09 AM KamonTheSkunk
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* ThatOneSidequest: ''Pokémon Stadium 2''[='=]s Challenge Cup Ultra Ball, especially in Round 2. There are several issues with this particular cup compared to every cup in the game:
** The problem with this division and level in particular is that the random selections are completely imbalanced. For starters, there are NO fully evolved Fire-types, the only Fire-types you get are Charmeleon, Quilava, and ''Ponyta'', whereas the other starter mid-evos are available in Great Ball. Compared to stuff like Skarmory, Quagsire, Kadabra, Hitmonlee and Clefable, they are terrible selections.
** The second issue is the standard movesets: You usually have two attacking moves, one of the primary type, and if you are dual-typed, the secondary type, or a coverage move if you are not, or don't have moves. Then its a stat/status-related move, and a defensive move. Many enemies, with a few exceptions, use this basic setup. However, they can give really low-powered moves like Tackle or Bubble if you are unlucky, or high-powered moves with low accuracy. This cripples Pokémon choices like Shuckle, Sneasel, and Chansey, who can't use their STAB moves effectively.
** The other thing is that you can't use ANY recovery moves like Recover and Rest, so if you can't get a Pokémon with Safeguard or Substitute, you are more suspectible to status moves, and the majority of trainers in this cup use the most status moves.
** The most pressing issue are the Round 2 trainers, and to some extent, Round 1. Only two trainers are relatively harmless compared to six.

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* ThatOneSidequest: ThatOneSidequest:
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''Pokémon Stadium 2''[='=]s Challenge Cup Ultra Ball, especially in Round 2. There are several issues with this particular cup compared to every cup in the game:
** *** The problem with this division and level in particular is that the random selections are completely imbalanced. For starters, there are NO fully evolved Fire-types, the only Fire-types you get are Charmeleon, Quilava, and ''Ponyta'', whereas the other starter mid-evos are available in Great Ball. Compared to stuff like Skarmory, Quagsire, Kadabra, Hitmonlee and Clefable, they are terrible selections.
** *** The second issue is the standard movesets: You usually have two attacking moves, one of the primary type, and if you are dual-typed, the secondary type, or a coverage move if you are not, or don't have moves. Then its a stat/status-related move, and a defensive move. Many enemies, with a few exceptions, use this basic setup. However, they can give really low-powered moves like Tackle or Bubble if you are unlucky, or high-powered moves with low accuracy. This cripples Pokémon choices like Shuckle, Sneasel, and Chansey, who can't use their STAB moves effectively.
** *** The other thing is that you can't use ANY recovery moves like Recover and Rest, so if you can't get a Pokémon with Safeguard or Substitute, you are more suspectible to status moves, and the majority of trainers in this cup use the most status moves.
** *** The most pressing issue are the Round 2 trainers, and to some extent, Round 1. Only two trainers are relatively harmless compared to six.


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** The Litte Cup in round 2 is an absolute nightmare, especially when compared to round 1. Rex aside, who has a team that consists of Pokemon that have move combinations that are impossible to obtain, the 3rd and 6th trainers love to make sure that you can't attack them period. The 3rd trainer will constantly use Swagger to increase your attack and confuse you so you'll take more damage than normal if you attack yourself, which is almost guaranteed to happen, as luck favors the computer far more than it does the player. The 6th trainer takes this UpToEleven as all of her Pokemon know the move Attract to keep any Pokemon of the opposite sex from attacking, but that's just the start of the hell. Half of her team also knows Thunder Wave to keep you from attacking first and from attacking at all most of the time, but[[RuleOfThree that's not even the worst offender.]] Each of her Pokemon knows a move that have a chance of making your Pokemon flinch, almost ensuring that you can't do a thing against any member of her team. As another sick trick, both her Poliwag and her Mareep, which she will more than likely use, both have items that will restore their hitpoints if they manage to get beat up. There's a reason that Stadium 2 is seen as the hardest Pokemon game to many people.
16th Sep '17 7:27:35 AM KamonTheSkunk
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*** Even in ''Pokemon Stadium 2'', the Male Cooltrainer will use a Mew too, but in both rounds 1 & 2, he is hard as hell to defeat. If you use a Dragon type Pokemon, Mew will more than likely use Blizzard that will almost always strike, despite the 80% accuracy and OneHitKill it no matter what and even trying to counter it with a Wobbuffet is all but fruitless, as he'll just switch it out for his Tyranitar that'll use Crunch to take it out quickly. Along with whatever else he'll chose, which can range from a Starmie and a Umbreon, he's the vein of all trainers in the Prime Cup.
11th Sep '17 8:46:18 AM Pichu-kun
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* GameBreaker: ''Pokémon Stadium 1'' Substitute Mewtwo is what you get when Substitute has been upgraded to Block status (which didn't happen in the original handheld titles), OHKO moves, Explosion, sometimes Wrap moves, and stat reduction moves. It does reduce HP, but Mewtwo has Recover, making it near untouchable. Add in Amnesia (which raises its Special Attack and Special Defense) and Psychic (which no Pokémon is immune to, and even when resisted, 30% Special drops), and nothing in the game bar a lucky speed tie (Mewtwo or Jolteon), or a Thunder Wave Electrode can even inconvenience this monster. It is the single most broken moveset in ''Pokémon'' history.

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''Pokémon Stadium 1'' Substitute Mewtwo is what you get when Substitute has been upgraded to Block status (which didn't happen in the original handheld titles), OHKO moves, Explosion, sometimes Wrap moves, and stat reduction moves. It does reduce HP, but Mewtwo has Recover, making it near untouchable. Add in Amnesia (which raises its Special Attack and Special Defense) and Psychic (which no Pokémon is immune to, and even when resisted, 30% Special drops), and nothing in the game bar a lucky speed tie (Mewtwo or Jolteon), or a Thunder Wave Electrode can even inconvenience this monster. It is the single most broken moveset in ''Pokémon'' history.



* NarmCharm: The announcer is either the shining example of this, or he's TheScrappy.
** In ''Battle Revolution'', poisoning will cause him to say "___ is losing its health!" Mind that he says the last three words in a very dramatic way, as if he's about to break into tears.

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* NarmCharm: NarmCharm:
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The announcer is either the shining example of this, or he's TheScrappy.
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TheScrappy. In ''Battle Revolution'', poisoning will cause him to say "___ is losing its health!" Mind that he says the last three words in a very dramatic way, as if he's about to break into tears.



* NightmareFuel: The one-hit KO animations, especially when they connect.

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* NightmareFuel: NightmareFuel:
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The one-hit KO animations, especially when they connect.



* SidetrackedByTheGoldSaucer: Minigames in the ''Stadium'' games. Pity ''Revolution'' didn't have any...

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* SidetrackedByTheGoldSaucer: Minigames in the ''Stadium'' games. Pity ''Revolution'' ''Battle Revolution'' didn't have any...
15th Aug '17 11:13:01 AM PDL
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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApPJACXCdoM Jynx's fainting animation]], in which it cries, suddenly freezes ''and its entire body disappears''; that is except its hair, which simply drops on the ground. ''Brr''.

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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApPJACXCdoM Jynx's fainting animation]], in which it cries, suddenly freezes ''and its entire body disappears''; that is except its hair, which simply drops on the ground. ''Brr''.All of this gives the impression that it ''[[ImMelting melted]]'' in the same manner as the [[Literature/TheWizardOfOZ Wicked Witch of the West]].
15th Aug '17 11:01:14 AM N8han11
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** At least in Master Ball Round 2, you could fish for Snorlax, which no matter what moveset it has, it is a reliable tank that can use every move to its advantage, and can power through every trainer except the Double Teaming status-spamming Scientist and the Gentleman and his almost omniscient AI compared to every enemy in the game, who are the most dangerous trainers in the Master Ball division. You get no such Pokémon in the Ultra Ball division, and there are SIX dangerous trainers.

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** At least in Master Ball Round 2, you could fish for Snorlax, which no matter what moveset it has, it is a reliable tank that can use every move to its advantage, and can power through every trainer except the Double Teaming status-spamming Scientist and the Gentleman and his almost omniscient AI compared to every enemy in the game, who are the most dangerous trainers in the Master Ball division. You get no such Pokémon in the Ultra Ball division, and there are SIX dangerous trainers.----
10th Jun '17 11:07:15 AM Kindle4Light
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* AntiClimaxBoss: Mewtwo in ''Pokémon Stadium'', 1 of him against your 6 (and said 6 can include 1 of him)? Pitifully easy compared to the cheaters you have to beat to reach him. Only using rentals makes things harder, but he's still much easier than the previous foes.

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* AntiClimaxBoss: AntiClimaxBoss:
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Mewtwo in ''Pokémon Stadium'', 1 of him against your 6 (and said 6 can include 1 of him)? Pitifully easy compared to the cheaters you have to beat to reach him. Only using rentals makes things harder, but he's still much easier than the previous foes.
4th Jun '17 1:41:50 PM BSonirachi
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* AccidentalInnuendo: One of the Team Rocket members in Stadium 2 has a Wobbuffet nicknamed... Wobbu'''fap'''. It's ''even worse'' considering what Wobbuffet looks like.

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* AccidentalInnuendo: One of the Team Rocket members in Stadium 2 ''Stadium 2'' has a Wobbuffet nicknamed... Wobbu'''fap'''. It's ''even worse'' considering what Wobbuffet looks like.
4th Jun '17 1:41:25 PM BSonirachi
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** The Cooltrainers in Johto Gym Leader castle are the last cronies you face, and they are a complete joke in both Rounds 1 and 2, especially the Male Cooltrainer. The Female Cooltrainer really wants to utilize Sleep moves as her main strategy, except it's crippled hard by 2 main things: Sleep clause, and 1-3 turn wakeups, which even makes her Prime Cup battles rather underwhelming in comparison with the other fights. The Male Cooltrainer literally uses first stage starter Pokémon right before Clair, while in Round 2, he uses ''second stage'' starter Pokémon, though they all do have some Counter moves, without much of the stats. What makes this egregious is that they are intended to be the elite mooks of both the handhelds and especially ''Pokémon Stadium 1'', and the fact that the commentary the announcer gives to the Male Cooltrainer: "He is sure to be a tough opponent!", especially since Pryce's Gym trainers, Team Rocket, and even Chuck's OHKO-abusing underlings are more dangerous, even in Round 2.

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** The Cooltrainers in Johto Gym Leader castle are the last cronies you face, and they are a complete joke in both Rounds 1 and 2, especially the Male Cooltrainer. The Female Cooltrainer really wants to utilize Sleep moves as her main strategy, except it's crippled hard by 2 main things: Sleep clause, and 1-3 turn wakeups, which even makes her Prime Cup battles rather underwhelming in comparison with the other fights. The Male Cooltrainer literally uses first stage starter Pokémon right before Clair, while in Round 2, he uses ''second stage'' starter Pokémon, though they all do have some Counter moves, without much of the stats. What makes this egregious is that they are intended to be the elite mooks {{Elite Mook}}s of both the handhelds and especially ''Pokémon Stadium 1'', and the fact that the commentary the announcer gives to the Male Cooltrainer: "He is sure to be a tough opponent!", especially since Pryce's Gym trainers, Team Rocket, and even Chuck's OHKO-abusing underlings are more dangerous, even in Round 2.



** The final trainer of Prime Cup Master Ball in Pokemon Stadium 1 is a Male Cooltrainer with a '''Mew''', in both rounds. Round 2 kicks it up several notches, as his Mew has higher stats, '''softboiled''', and overused competitive teammates like Tauros, Exeggutor, and Starmie. To a lesser extent, the Female Cooltrainer in round 2 Master Ball, as she's the only one that can make the gamebreaking Substitute Mewtwo users think twice. How? With an Electrode that will outspeed and paralyze Mewtwo before it sets up, or just power through with Body Slam Snorlax. Good luck beating those two, especially with a rental team.
** '''Any FinalBoss with a Snorlax''' in any of Pokemon Stadium 2's Round 2 cups. Snorlax is extremely versatile, extremely hard to kill, and can easily destroy your pokemon from the transfer packs (Including Mewtwo), especially rentals. Gym Leader Castle’s final boss, Pokemon Trainer Red’s signature pokemon is a Snorlax, and even among a team of legendaries, it is by far the most dangerous pokemon, but is covered well by the two non-legendaries. Poke Cup Master Ball Finalist Pokemaniac Pedro’s Snorlax is level 55, has leftovers, and uses a Belly drum/Rest/Snore/Earthquake combo, and if he rests after belly drumming, you have already lost, but he could choose the much “easier” level 55 Dragonite instead. There is a reason why you never face Snorlax in round 1 Pokemon Stadium 2… outside of Challenge cup Master Ball.
** Compared to what a joke he was from the games, Pokemon Stadium 1 included, Round 2 Pokemon Stadium 2 Bruno ironically became arguably the hardest boss in Johto Gym Leader castle, as his incredibly powerful Machamp is paired with very powerful physical attackers. It is bulky, has insane coverage, and it hits very hard with Cross Chop and Rock Slide, but it also has Quick Claw, and worst of all, Fissure, (ironically, it was a useless special moveset for Bruno’s Machamp in Red and Blue) that can ruin your day. He's no slouch either if he selects Kangaskhan and Blastoise in round 1.
** The level 20 Alakazam in Pika Cup, who knows Psychic and Thunder Wave. Doesn't sound that intimidating, right? ''Wrong''. He's almost impossible[[note]]If you get lucky enough, powerful rental mons like Starmie are able to power through it[[/note]] to beat with rental Pokémon barring miraculous freeze hax that you'll have only one chance at pulling off or else you die. The guides even advise the player to use a transfer pack, or pray that your opponent end up being the level 20 Dragonair.

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** The final trainer of Prime Cup Master Ball in Pokemon ''Pokémon Stadium 1 1'' is a Male Cooltrainer with a '''Mew''', in both rounds. Round 2 kicks it up several notches, as his Mew has higher stats, '''softboiled''', and overused competitive teammates like Tauros, Exeggutor, and Starmie. To a lesser extent, the Female Cooltrainer in round 2 Master Ball, as she's the only one that can make the gamebreaking Substitute Mewtwo users think twice. How? With an Electrode that will outspeed and paralyze Mewtwo before it sets up, or just power through with Body Slam Snorlax. Good luck beating those two, especially with a rental team.
** '''Any FinalBoss with a Snorlax''' in any of Pokemon ''Pokémon Stadium 2's 2''[='=]s Round 2 cups. Snorlax is extremely versatile, extremely hard to kill, and can easily destroy your pokemon Pokémon from the transfer packs (Including Mewtwo), especially rentals. Gym Leader Castle’s final boss, Pokemon Pokémon Trainer Red’s signature pokemon Pokémon is a Snorlax, and even among a team of legendaries, it is by far the most dangerous pokemon, Pokémon, but is covered well by the two non-legendaries. Poke Poké Cup Master Ball Finalist Pokemaniac Pokémaniac Pedro’s Snorlax is level 55, has leftovers, Leftovers, and uses a Belly drum/Rest/Snore/Earthquake Drum/Rest/Snore/Earthquake combo, and if he rests after belly drumming, you have already lost, but he could choose the much “easier” level 55 Dragonite instead. There is a reason why you never face Snorlax in round Round 1 Pokemon ''Pokémon Stadium 2… 2''… outside of Challenge cup Cup Master Ball.
** Compared to what a joke he was from the games, Pokemon ''Pokémon Stadium 1 1'' included, Round 2 Pokemon ''Pokémon Stadium 2 2'' Bruno ironically became arguably the hardest boss in Johto Gym Leader castle, as his incredibly powerful Machamp is paired with very powerful physical attackers. It is bulky, has insane coverage, and it hits very hard with Cross Chop and Rock Slide, but it also has Quick Claw, and worst of all, Fissure, (ironically, it was a useless special moveset for Bruno’s Machamp in Red and Blue) that can ruin your day. He's no slouch either if he selects Kangaskhan and Blastoise in round Round 1.
** The level 20 Alakazam in Pika Cup, who knows Psychic and Thunder Wave. Doesn't sound that intimidating, right? ''Wrong''. He's almost impossible[[note]]If you get lucky enough, powerful rental mons like Starmie are able to power through it[[/note]] to beat with rental Pokémon barring miraculous freeze hax that you'll have only one chance at pulling off or else you die. The guides even advise the player to use a transfer pack, Transfer Pak, or pray that your opponent end up being the level 20 Dragonair.



** The other thing is that you can't use ANY recovery moves like Recover and Rest, so if you can't get a Pokémon with Safeguard or Substitute, you are more susceptible to status moves, and the majority of trainers in this cup use the most status moves.

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** The other thing is that you can't use ANY recovery moves like Recover and Rest, so if you can't get a Pokémon with Safeguard or Substitute, you are more susceptible suspectible to status moves, and the majority of trainers in this cup use the most status moves.



*** The fifth fight, a Fisherman, has a mostly Rain Dance-based Water-type team with Ice moves, with the only non-random signature Pokémon Quagsire that he will ALWAYS have, and its type synergy is incredibly solid against many PokÉmon.

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*** The fifth fight, a Fisherman, has a mostly Rain Dance-based Water-type team with Ice moves, with the only non-random signature Pokémon Quagsire that he will ALWAYS have, and its type synergy is incredibly solid against many PokÉmon.Pokémon.



*** The seventh is a Normal-type-using Female Executive, who actually breaks the Challenge Cup standard moveset structure among teams, and uses more than two kinds of attacking moves. Her Normal-types has some dual-type coverage, and with their generally high stats, are the powerhouses of the cup. And she likes to flinch you if she has the speed advantage, usually with STAB Headbutt or Hyper Fang.

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*** The seventh is a Normal-type-using Female Executive, who actually breaks the Challenge Cup standard moveset structure among teams, and uses more than two kinds of attacking moves. Her Normal-types has some dual-type coverage, and coverage and, with their generally high stats, are the powerhouses of the cup. And she likes to flinch you if she has the speed advantage, usually with STAB Headbutt or Hyper Fang.
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