History YMMV / PokemonOrigins

14th Sep '17 11:15:46 PM Shadao
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* {{Narm}}: For several viewers, Red's explanation for how his name ties into his choice of a starter Pokémon comes across as downright cheesy. While it's been accepted for a long time that the first few Gens had... odd name choices for the protagonists and rivals, some felt ''Origins'' would've been better off just letting it be instead of awkwardly trying to justify it.

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For several viewers, Red's explanation for how his name ties into his choice of a starter Pokémon comes across as downright cheesy. While it's been accepted for a long time that the first few Gens had... odd name choices for the protagonists and rivals, some felt ''Origins'' would've been better off just letting it be instead of awkwardly trying to justify it.it.
** The Team Rocket Grunts catching wild Pokémon in Episode 2 would have been a tense scene... if it weren't for the fact that the Grunts' animation are almost non-existent as they move forward, making them seem like they're rollerskating.
** The English-dubbed version of Marowak's death scream makes it sound like she just fainted rather actually dying. It's even more ridiculous when compared to the Japanese version, which is genuine NightmareFuel.
2nd Aug '17 2:34:50 PM N8han11
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** When it was announced, people were butting heads over which was better: this, or the regular anime. [[FandomRivalry Particularly when it came to their protagonists.]] Asking if Red actually is a better Trainer than Ash--in terms of not only accomplishments, but battling styles, battling ''efficiency'', and raising/caring for their Pokémon--[[FlameWar can result in incredibly nasty debates]], particularly where [[FanDumb die-hard Red fans]]/[[HateDumb Ash haters]] are concerned, so tread lightly. (Of course, [[http://noodlerama.tumblr.com/post/67172814816/red-vs-ash-why-the-comparisons-dont-quite-work another subset of the fandom]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/26675i/red_vs_ash/ finds the comparisons to be]] [[http://aminoapps.com/page/pokemon/3255786/red-vs-ash overblown and ultimately meaningless,]] due to the great differences between the shows and the messages they convey.)

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** When it was announced, people were butting heads over which was better: this, or the regular anime. [[FandomRivalry Particularly when it came to their protagonists.]] Asking if Red actually is a better Trainer than Ash--in terms of not only accomplishments, but battling styles, battling ''efficiency'', and raising/caring for their Pokémon--[[FlameWar can result in incredibly nasty debates]], particularly where [[FanDumb die-hard Red fans]]/[[HateDumb fans/ Ash haters]] haters are concerned, so tread lightly. (Of course, [[http://noodlerama.tumblr.com/post/67172814816/red-vs-ash-why-the-comparisons-dont-quite-work another subset of the fandom]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/26675i/red_vs_ash/ finds the comparisons to be]] [[http://aminoapps.com/page/pokemon/3255786/red-vs-ash overblown and ultimately meaningless,]] due to the great differences between the shows and the messages they convey.)
8th Mar '17 12:45:49 PM N8han11
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*** In fact, [[spoiler:there only being 150 known Pokémon could be seen as a nod to more adamant old-timers who reject the existence of #151, Mew, and the totality of all other generations of Pokémon beyond the original]].
8th Mar '17 12:57:14 AM Anddrix
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* HellIsThatNoise: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAdGv89e0sE CHARMANDER'S SCREAM.]] Most of it was removed in the dub, but the cry is still there--just shorter--and still terrifying nonetheless.
** [[spoiler:Mewtwo]] [[UnstoppableRage shrieking like a maniac]] after Red throws his first Ultra Ball at it and it breaks free. It's like some nightmarish klaxon siren: not something a living being should sound like, and the NightmareFace does not help ''at all''.
21st Dec '16 7:54:04 PM X2X
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokémon in favor of Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]]. This ties into the above BrokenBase about the question of how good a Trainer Red really is, as the bonds between humans and their Pokémon partners has always been greatly emphasized throughout the various ''Pokémon'' adaptations, right down to [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Karen's]] oft-quoted [[TakeThatAudience jab against the members of the competitive community]] who don't care for this aspect of the series.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokémon in favor of Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]]. This ties into the above BrokenBase about the question of how good a Trainer Red really is, as the bonds between humans and their Pokémon partners has have always been greatly emphasized throughout the various ''Pokémon'' adaptations, right down to [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Karen's]] oft-quoted [[TakeThatAudience jab against the members of the competitive community]] who don't care for this aspect of the series.
21st Dec '16 5:27:19 PM X2X
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokémon in favor of Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]]. This ties into the above BrokenBase about the question of how good a Trainer Red really is, as the bonds between humans and their Pokémon partners has always been greatly emphasized throughout the various ''Pokémon'' adaptations, right down to [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Karen's]] oft-quoted [[TakeThatAudience jab against the members of the competitive community]] who don't care for those aspects of the series.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokémon in favor of Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]]. This ties into the above BrokenBase about the question of how good a Trainer Red really is, as the bonds between humans and their Pokémon partners has always been greatly emphasized throughout the various ''Pokémon'' adaptations, right down to [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Karen's]] oft-quoted [[TakeThatAudience jab against the members of the competitive community]] who don't care for those aspects this aspect of the series.
21st Dec '16 3:16:40 PM X2X
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** When it was announced, people were butting heads over which was better: this, or the regular anime. [[FandomRivalry Particularly when it came to their protagonists.]] Asking if Red actually is a better Trainer than Ash--in terms of not only accomplishments, but battling styles, battling ''efficiency'', and raising/caring for their Pokémon--[[FlameWar can result in incredibly nasty debates]], particularly where [[FanDumb die-hard Red fans]]/[[HateDumb Ash haters]] are concerned, so tread lightly.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: [[spoiler:After the Mewtwo from [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened the 16th anime series movie]] sparked an InternetBackdraft, many fans enjoyed Mewtwo in this special, as it provided a ''third'' interpretation of the character after the two anime series Mewtwo -- essentially, an uncontrollable and highly dangerous superpowered wild animal… just like any other Pokémon in the games.]]

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** When it was announced, people were butting heads over which was better: this, or the regular anime. [[FandomRivalry Particularly when it came to their protagonists.]] Asking if Red actually is a better Trainer than Ash--in terms of not only accomplishments, but battling styles, battling ''efficiency'', and raising/caring for their Pokémon--[[FlameWar can result in incredibly nasty debates]], particularly where [[FanDumb die-hard Red fans]]/[[HateDumb Ash haters]] are concerned, so tread lightly.
lightly. (Of course, [[http://noodlerama.tumblr.com/post/67172814816/red-vs-ash-why-the-comparisons-dont-quite-work another subset of the fandom]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/26675i/red_vs_ash/ finds the comparisons to be]] [[http://aminoapps.com/page/pokemon/3255786/red-vs-ash overblown and ultimately meaningless,]] due to the great differences between the shows and the messages they convey.)
* EnsembleDarkhorse: [[spoiler:After the Mewtwo from [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened the 16th anime series movie]] sparked an InternetBackdraft, many fans enjoyed Mewtwo in this special, as it provided a ''third'' interpretation of the character after the two anime series Mewtwo -- essentially, an uncontrollable and highly dangerous superpowered wild animal… animal... just like any other Pokémon in the games.]]



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokémon in favor of Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]].

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokémon in favor of Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]]. This ties into the above BrokenBase about the question of how good a Trainer Red really is, as the bonds between humans and their Pokémon partners has always been greatly emphasized throughout the various ''Pokémon'' adaptations, right down to [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Karen's]] oft-quoted [[TakeThatAudience jab against the members of the competitive community]] who don't care for those aspects of the series.
27th Oct '16 9:45:41 AM X2X
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokemon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. Also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokemon in favor of Charizard.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokemon Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. Also This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokemon Pokémon in favor of Charizard.Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]].
27th Aug '16 12:46:08 AM Forenperser
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokemon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. Also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokemon in favor of Charizard.
18th Aug '16 6:36:07 PM CJCroen1393
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** At the end of Red and Brock's battle, Onix comes dangerously close to falling on and crushing one of Brock's guards. Fortunately, Brock manages to call it back before it can land on her.
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