History YMMV / PokemonOrigins

21st Dec '16 7:54:04 PM X2X
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokémon in favor of Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]]. This ties into the above BrokenBase about the question of how good a Trainer Red really is, as the bonds between humans and their Pokémon partners has always been greatly emphasized throughout the various ''Pokémon'' adaptations, right down to [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Karen's]] oft-quoted [[TakeThatAudience jab against the members of the competitive community]] who don't care for this aspect of the series.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokémon in favor of Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]]. This ties into the above BrokenBase about the question of how good a Trainer Red really is, as the bonds between humans and their Pokémon partners has have always been greatly emphasized throughout the various ''Pokémon'' adaptations, right down to [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Karen's]] oft-quoted [[TakeThatAudience jab against the members of the competitive community]] who don't care for this aspect of the series.
21st Dec '16 5:27:19 PM X2X
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokémon in favor of Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]]. This ties into the above BrokenBase about the question of how good a Trainer Red really is, as the bonds between humans and their Pokémon partners has always been greatly emphasized throughout the various ''Pokémon'' adaptations, right down to [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Karen's]] oft-quoted [[TakeThatAudience jab against the members of the competitive community]] who don't care for those aspects of the series.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokémon in favor of Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]]. This ties into the above BrokenBase about the question of how good a Trainer Red really is, as the bonds between humans and their Pokémon partners has always been greatly emphasized throughout the various ''Pokémon'' adaptations, right down to [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Karen's]] oft-quoted [[TakeThatAudience jab against the members of the competitive community]] who don't care for those aspects this aspect of the series.
21st Dec '16 3:16:40 PM X2X
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** When it was announced, people were butting heads over which was better: this, or the regular anime. [[FandomRivalry Particularly when it came to their protagonists.]] Asking if Red actually is a better Trainer than Ash--in terms of not only accomplishments, but battling styles, battling ''efficiency'', and raising/caring for their Pokémon--[[FlameWar can result in incredibly nasty debates]], particularly where [[FanDumb die-hard Red fans]]/[[HateDumb Ash haters]] are concerned, so tread lightly.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: [[spoiler:After the Mewtwo from [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened the 16th anime series movie]] sparked an InternetBackdraft, many fans enjoyed Mewtwo in this special, as it provided a ''third'' interpretation of the character after the two anime series Mewtwo -- essentially, an uncontrollable and highly dangerous superpowered wild animal… just like any other Pokémon in the games.]]

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** When it was announced, people were butting heads over which was better: this, or the regular anime. [[FandomRivalry Particularly when it came to their protagonists.]] Asking if Red actually is a better Trainer than Ash--in terms of not only accomplishments, but battling styles, battling ''efficiency'', and raising/caring for their Pokémon--[[FlameWar can result in incredibly nasty debates]], particularly where [[FanDumb die-hard Red fans]]/[[HateDumb Ash haters]] are concerned, so tread lightly.
lightly. (Of course, [[http://noodlerama.tumblr.com/post/67172814816/red-vs-ash-why-the-comparisons-dont-quite-work another subset of the fandom]] [[https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemon/comments/26675i/red_vs_ash/ finds the comparisons to be]] [[http://aminoapps.com/page/pokemon/3255786/red-vs-ash overblown and ultimately meaningless,]] due to the great differences between the shows and the messages they convey.)
* EnsembleDarkhorse: [[spoiler:After the Mewtwo from [[Anime/PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened the 16th anime series movie]] sparked an InternetBackdraft, many fans enjoyed Mewtwo in this special, as it provided a ''third'' interpretation of the character after the two anime series Mewtwo -- essentially, an uncontrollable and highly dangerous superpowered wild animal… animal... just like any other Pokémon in the games.]]



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokémon in favor of Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]].

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokémon in favor of Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]]. This ties into the above BrokenBase about the question of how good a Trainer Red really is, as the bonds between humans and their Pokémon partners has always been greatly emphasized throughout the various ''Pokémon'' adaptations, right down to [[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Karen's]] oft-quoted [[TakeThatAudience jab against the members of the competitive community]] who don't care for those aspects of the series.
27th Oct '16 9:45:41 AM X2X
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokemon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. Also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokemon in favor of Charizard.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off as pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokemon Pokémon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. Also This also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokemon Pokémon in favor of Charizard.Charizard, [[TruthInTelevision something a lot of first-time players are guilty of doing with their starters]].
27th Aug '16 12:46:08 AM Forenperser
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Red's focusing on Charizard can come off as this, especially during the final battle with Giovanni, where he states that a victory without Charizard taking it is meaningless. Comes off pretty harsh when you consider that 5 of his other Pokemon just did their best for him and were quite brutally defeated. Also shows that he neglects the training of his other Pokemon in favor of Charizard.
18th Aug '16 6:36:07 PM CJCroen1393
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** At the end of Red and Brock's battle, Onix comes dangerously close to falling on and crushing one of Brock's guards. Fortunately, Brock manages to call it back before it can land on her.
18th Aug '16 3:13:30 PM CJCroen1393
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* HoYay: Something about Blue going for a SecurityCling with Red after being scared off by the ghost in Lavender Tower comes off as kind off shippy...
7th Jul '16 12:11:43 AM X2X
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* HypeBacklash: While ''Origins'' is well-liked among of older fans of the games for being a mostly-faithful and [[DarkerAndEdgier more mature]] adaptation of ''Red/Blue'' with high quality animation, slick battle scenes, and [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation interesting takes on certain characters and events]], there is a sizable contingent of fans, even those who are part of said PeripheryDemographic, who see the four-part OVA not as the best ''Pokémon'' animation in years, but a SoOkayItsAverage production for a variety of reasons, some of which ironically echo criticisms aimed at the anime. These include but are not limited to pacing problems leading to a rushed narrative that somehow glosses over Red's primary goal of catching all 150 Pokémon, Red's one-note personality and general lack of CharacterDevelopment, the over-reliance of [[WolverinePublicity Charizard]] to the point of [[SpotlightStealingSquad overshadowing all other Mons]] for the sake of [[spoiler:[[MerchandiseDriven advertising Mega Evolution in Gen VI]]]] (some have even argued that the rest of Red's ever-rotating team consists of {{jobber}}s there to his starter look good when a battle is shown in full, with Charizard itself usually bailed out through [[AssPull last-second miracles]]), and ''Origins''[='=] own fair share of mid-battle inconsistencies that make [[StrongAsTheyNeedToBe Red's competency level fluctuate wildly]] despite the reliance on "Gen I game logic", the rematch with Giovanni being a major offender. Not helping matters is the fact that Red, a MemeticBadass in the games (and the ''[[Manga/PokemonAdventures Special]]'' manga to a lesser extent), has a ''very'' noxious fanbase that latched onto his ''Origins'' counterpart and placed him upon a lofty pedestal, all the while deriding Ash/the anime and conveniently downplaying/ignoring the faults of Red/''Origins''.

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* HypeBacklash: While ''Origins'' is well-liked among of older fans of the games for being a mostly-faithful and [[DarkerAndEdgier more mature]] adaptation of ''Red/Blue'' with high quality animation, slick battle scenes, and [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation interesting takes on certain characters and events]], there is a sizable contingent of fans, even those who are part of said PeripheryDemographic, who see the four-part OVA not as the best ''Pokémon'' animation in years, but a SoOkayItsAverage production for a variety of reasons, some of which ironically echo criticisms aimed at the anime. These include but are not limited to pacing problems leading to a rushed narrative that somehow glosses over Red's primary goal of catching all 150 Pokémon, Red's one-note personality and general lack of CharacterDevelopment, the over-reliance of [[WolverinePublicity Charizard]] to the point of [[SpotlightStealingSquad overshadowing all other Mons]] for the sake of [[spoiler:[[MerchandiseDriven advertising Mega Evolution in Gen VI]]]] (some have even argued that the rest of Red's ever-rotating team consists of {{jobber}}s there to make his starter look good when a battle is shown in full, with Charizard itself usually bailed out through [[AssPull last-second miracles]]), and ''Origins''[='=] own fair share of mid-battle inconsistencies that make [[StrongAsTheyNeedToBe Red's competency level fluctuate wildly]] despite the reliance on "Gen I game logic", logic," the rematch with Giovanni being a major offender. Not helping matters is the fact that Red, a MemeticBadass in the games (and the ''[[Manga/PokemonAdventures Special]]'' manga to a lesser extent), has a ''very'' noxious fanbase that latched onto his ''Origins'' counterpart and placed him upon a lofty pedestal, all the while deriding Ash/the anime and conveniently downplaying/ignoring the faults of Red/''Origins''.
16th Apr '16 12:23:07 PM Kytseo
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* SignatureScene: Red's Charmander's blood-curdling scream of agony when it's bit by Blue's Squirtle, which notably [[DarkerAndEdgier sets the tone]] for this particular adaptation.

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* SignatureScene: Red's Charmander's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAdGv89e0sE blood-curdling scream of agony agony]] when it's bit by Blue's Squirtle, which notably [[DarkerAndEdgier sets the tone]] for this particular adaptation.
16th Apr '16 12:06:54 PM Kytseo
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* SignatureScene: Red's Charmander's blood-curdling scream of agony when it's bit by Blue's Squirtle, which notably [[DarkerAndEdgier sets the tone]] for this particular adaptation.
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