History YMMV / PokemonGoldAndSilver

25th Sep '16 5:31:45 PM TomPhanto
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* ThatOneLevel: Pennant Capture in Pokéathlon Dome. It's hard to control your character unless you have good Skill and Speed. Even then, it's usually up to luck if you do well or not. Your opponents are really good at stealing your flags and its' hard to steal them back from them. Worst of all, to get 100% Completion in the Pokéathlon Dome, you have to match the second record of fifty flags, when the average player gets somewhere between twenty to thirty. You have 60 seconds; you can only get nine at a time, and it takes four seconds to gather up your flags and switch to your next partner.

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* ThatOneLevel: Pennant Capture in Pokéathlon Dome. It's hard to control your character unless you have good Skill and Speed. Even then, it's usually up to luck if you do well or not. Your opponents are really good at stealing your flags flags, and its' it's hard to steal them back from them. Worst of all, to get 100% Completion in the Pokéathlon Dome, you have to match the second record of fifty flags, when the average player gets somewhere between twenty to thirty. You have 60 seconds; you can only get nine at a time, and it takes four seconds to gather up your flags and switch to your next partner.
25th Sep '16 5:31:01 PM TomPhanto
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* ThatOneLevel: Pennant Capture in Pokéathlon Dome. It's hard to control your character unless you have good Skill and Speed. Even then, it's usually up to luck if you do well or not. Your opponents are really good at stealing your flags and its' hard to steal them back from them. Worst of all, to get 100% Completion in the Pokéathlon Dome, you have to match the second record of fifty flags, when the average player gets somewhere between twenty to thirty. You have 60 seconds; you can only get nine at a time, and it takes four seconds to gather up your flags and switch to your next partner.
25th Sep '16 11:50:01 AM SheldonDinkleburg
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** Due to these games' over-reliance on previous-generation Pokémon, a lot of the new Pokémon were very weak compared to Pokémon from [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue past]] [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire and]] [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl future]] [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite generations]], aside from a select few like Tyranitar, Scizor, Kingdra, Steelix, Blissey, Heracross, Forretress, Houndoom, the two new Eeveelutions, Skarmory and the Legendaries. Some of these Pokémon (Sneasel, Gligar, Piloswine, Togetic, Yanma, Aipom, Murkow, and Misdreavus) were later RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, gaining new evos in ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' and becoming much, ''much'' more useful. [[JokeCharacter Wobbuffet]] benefited from a PRE-evo and the ability [[YouWillNotEvadeMe Shadow Tag]] in ''VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire''. [[LethalJokeCharacter It was in the Uber tier until]] ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite''.

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** Due to these games' over-reliance on previous-generation Pokémon, a lot of the new Pokémon were very weak compared to Pokémon from [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue past]] [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire and]] [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl future]] [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite generations]], aside from a select few like Tyranitar, Scizor, Kingdra, Steelix, Blissey, Heracross, Forretress, Houndoom, the two new Eeveelutions, Skarmory and the Legendaries. Some of these Pokémon (Sneasel, Gligar, Piloswine, Togetic, Yanma, Aipom, Murkow, and Misdreavus) Misdreavus[[note]]which actually was widely used for its [[TimeDelayedDeath Perish Trapping moveset]] that could instantly faint any enemy Pokémon within 3 turns while preventing their escape. Although Gengar had the same moveset, Misdreavus had a better typing and defenses to stall out Perish Song.[[/note]]) were later RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, gaining new evos in ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' and becoming much, ''much'' more useful. [[JokeCharacter Wobbuffet]] benefited from a PRE-evo and the ability [[YouWillNotEvadeMe Shadow Tag]] in ''VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire''. [[LethalJokeCharacter It was in the Uber tier until]] ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite''.
25th Sep '16 11:30:31 AM SheldonDinkleburg
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** Many of the new Pokémon added in ''Gold and Silver'' were easily missed due to their means of obtaining them, and a large amount of focus was put on the old ones from Generation 1. This wasn't a problem at the time because the new Pokémon only had one generation to compete with and still made up a reasonable percentage of the total available, so they still managed to be memorable. ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' introduced even fewer new Pokémon than ''Gold and Silver'' did and had a heavy focus on Pokémon from all of the previous games, but the sheer number of Pokémon made the new ones barely stand out.

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** Many of the new Pokémon added in ''Gold and Silver'' were easily missed due to their means of obtaining them, and a large amount of focus was put on the old ones from Generation 1. This wasn't a problem at the time because the new Pokémon only had one generation to compete with and still made up a reasonable percentage of the total available, so they still managed to be memorable. ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' introduced even fewer new Pokémon than ''Gold and Silver'' did and had a heavy focus on Pokémon from all of the previous games, but the sheer number of Pokémon made the new ones barely stand out. In fact, a significant portion of the retroactive HypeBacklash is due to Gen VI reminding fans that Gen II had this issue as well.
10th Sep '16 2:19:16 PM Darthrai
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** Speaking of Mewtwo, catching it can turn Red into one of these, despite his reputation as the series' ultimate superboss. Even at its default level of 70 (at least 10 levels below Red's Pokémon), Mewtwo's stats are high enough to sponge attacks from any of Red's Pokémon, compounded by the fact that none of them know any attacks that are super-effective against pure Psychic except for Snorlax's Crunch and Shadow Ball, which Mewtwo can shrug off anyway. On the other hand, Mewtwo's movepool is enormous, and via easily-obtainable [=TMs=], it can be taught strong moves that are super-effective against ''any'' of Red's Pokémon (such as Earthquake for Pikachu, Focus Blast for Snorlax and Lapras, Psychic for Venusaur, and Thunder/Thunderbolt for Charizard, Blastoise and Lapras).

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** Speaking of Mewtwo, catching it can turn Red into one of these, despite his reputation as the series' ultimate superboss. Even at its default level of 70 (at least 10 levels below Red's Pokémon), Mewtwo's stats are high enough to sponge attacks from any of Red's Pokémon, compounded by the fact that none of them know any attacks that are super-effective against pure Psychic except for Snorlax's Crunch and Shadow Ball, which Mewtwo can shrug off anyway. On the other hand, Mewtwo's movepool is enormous, and via easily-obtainable [=TMs=], it can be taught strong moves that are super-effective against ''any'' of Red's Pokémon (such as Earthquake for Pikachu, Focus Blast for Snorlax and Lapras, Psychic for Venusaur, and Thunder/Thunderbolt for Charizard, Blastoise and Lapras). Combine that with the fact that Mewtwo has the highest Special Attack of any Pokémon obtainable in ''HGSS'', and the battle against the ultimate Pokémon Trainer becomes a cakewalk when he's faced with the ultimate Pokémon.
10th Sep '16 2:17:24 PM Darthrai
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** Speaking of Mewtwo, catching it can turn Red into one of these, despite his reputation as the series' ultimate superboss. Even at its default level of 70 (at least 10 levels below Red's Pokémon), Mewtwo's stats are high enough to sponge attacks from any of Red's Pokémon, compounded by the fact that none of them know any attacks that are super-effective against pure Psychic except for Snorlax's Crunch and Shadow Ball, which Mewtwo can shrug off anyway. On the other hand, Mewtwo's movepool is enormous, and via easily-obtainable [=TMs=], it can be taught strong moves that are super-effective against ''any'' of Red's Pokémon (such as Earthquake for Pikachu, Focus Blast for Snorlax and Lapras, Psychic for Venusaur, and Thunder/Thunderbolt for Charizard, Blastoise and Lapras).
7th Sep '16 3:53:34 PM Darthrai
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* SacredCow: Both the original Johto games and the remakes are treated as this by the fandom and are treated as the greatest and most infallible games in the series outside of a few VocalMinority factions, the remakes slightly more so due to not suffering from SeinfeldIsUnfunny as much as the GBC originals do.
5th Sep '16 7:14:36 PM Yalsaris63
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** The cloning trick, coupled with the ability to hold items. Allowing you to get up to five of the same item (and/or Mons) at once, and notably to get all three starters as much as you want (the fact that they don't show up in the Pokédex until you breed one being a small price to pay).

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** The cloning trick, coupled with the ability to hold items. Allowing you to get up to five of the same item (and/or Mons) at once, and notably to get all three starters as much as you want (the fact that they don't show up in the Pokédex until you breed one being a small price to pay). Once you've obtained the [[TooAwesomeToUse Master Ball]] much later in the game, even it becomes insultingly easy to catch the Roaming Legendaries by abusing this trick.
3rd Sep '16 3:04:40 AM MayIncon
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** Most Dark-types flat-out sucked at their jobs at dealing with Psychics since all Dark moves were considered Special Attacks yet most of them have high Attack stat and low Special Attack stat. The exceptions being Houdoom which has high Special Attack stat and Tyranitar which has decent Special Attack stat and it has nice Defensive stats.

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** Most Dark-types flat-out sucked at their jobs at dealing with Psychics since all Dark moves were considered Special Attacks yet most of them have high Attack stat and low Special Attack stat. The exceptions being Houdoom Houndoom which has high Special Attack stat and Tyranitar which has decent Special Attack stat and it has nice Defensive stats.
31st Aug '16 2:44:21 PM Darthrai
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* SoCoolItsAwesome: ''Gold'' and ''Silver'' were already well-loved by the fanbase, but the remakes took them and added all sorts of new features and enhancements and made them ''[[UpToEleven even better]]'' (to most fans, anyway).


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* VindicatedByHistory: At the time of release, ''[=HeartGold=]'' and ''[=SoulSilver=]'' were very well-received, but there was some debate in the fandom on whether they were better than the original Gen II games or not, with many people continuing to support the originals due to [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia]]. Over time, the Gen II fandom waned, and ''HGSS'' not only became unanimously agreed to be better than the originals, but also became the most widely agreed-upon candidates for the best games in the series.
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