History YMMV / PokemonGoldAndSilver

20th Jun '17 10:11:39 AM MayIncon
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** The Ledyba line is considered by many to be one of worst Pokemon (excluding the {{Joke Character}}s) for battling purpose. Ledyba and Ledian specialize in Special Defense, [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's about it.]] The rest of its stats besides its speed are laughably terrible, and despite being a StoneWall, it only learns a limited number of supporting moves (the near universal Toxic, Reflect, Light Screen and Baton Pass).

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** The Ledyba line is considered by many to be one of worst Pokemon (excluding the {{Joke Character}}s) for battling purpose. Ledyba and Ledian specialize in Special Defense, [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's about it.]] The rest of its their stats besides its speed Speed are laughably terrible, and despite being a StoneWall, it Bug/Flying is a poor defensive type and they only learns learn a limited number of supporting moves (the near universal Toxic, Reflect, Light Screen and Baton Pass).
19th Jun '17 5:33:59 PM MayIncon
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* ScrappyWeapon:
** Custom Balls made by Kurt, as most of them suffer from bugs that prevented them from working properly.

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ScrappyWeapon: Custom Balls made by Kurt, as most of them suffer from bugs that prevented them from working properly.
19th Jun '17 5:33:34 PM MayIncon
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** The Ledyba line is considered by many to be one of worst Pokemon (excluding the {{Joke Character}}s) for battling purpose. Ledyba and Ledian specialize in Special Defense, [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's about it.]] The rest of its stats besides its speed are laughably terrible, and despite being a StoneWall, it only learns a limited number of supporting moves (the near universal Toxic, Reflect, Light Screen and Baton Pass).
** The Slugma line. Not only is Slugma located at Kanto as a rare encounter, Slugma doesn't evolve until ''Level 38''! Its evolved form Magcargo is very underwhelming as none of its stats other than Defense are anything to write home about while being cripplingly weak to Water- and Ground-types.



** Due to these games' over-reliance on previous-generation Pokémon, a lot of the new Pokémon were very weak compared to Pokémon from [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue past]] [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire and]] [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl future]] [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite generations]], aside from a select few like Tyranitar, Scizor, Kingdra, Steelix, Blissey, Heracross, Forretress, Houndoom, the two new Eeveelutions, Skarmory and the Legendaries. Some of these Pokémon (Sneasel, Gligar, Piloswine, Togetic, Yanma, Aipom, Murkow, and Misdreavus[[note]]which actually was widely used for its [[TimeDelayedDeath Perish Trapping moveset]] that could instantly faint any enemy Pokémon within 3 turns while preventing their escape. Although Gengar had the same moveset, Misdreavus had a better typing and defenses to stall out Perish Song.[[/note]]) were later RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, gaining new evos in ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' and becoming much, ''much'' more useful. [[JokeCharacter Wobbuffet]] benefited from a PRE-evo and the ability [[YouWillNotEvadeMe Shadow Tag]] in ''VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire''. [[LethalJokeCharacter It was in the Uber tier until]] ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite''.



** Due to these games' over-reliance on previous-generation Pokémon, a lot of the new Pokémon were very weak compared to Pokémon from [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue past]] [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire and]] [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl future]] [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite generations]], aside from a select few like Tyranitar, Scizor, Kingdra, Steelix, Blissey, Heracross, Forretress, Houndoom, the two new Eeveelutions, Skarmory and the Legendaries. Some of these Pokémon (Sneasel, Gligar, Piloswine, Togetic, Yanma, Aipom, Murkow, and Misdreavus[[note]]which actually was widely used for its [[TimeDelayedDeath Perish Trapping moveset]] that could instantly faint any enemy Pokémon within 3 turns while preventing their escape. Although Gengar had the same moveset, Misdreavus had a better typing and defenses to stall out Perish Song.[[/note]]) were later RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, gaining new evos in ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' and becoming much, ''much'' more useful. [[JokeCharacter Wobbuffet]] benefited from a PRE-evo and the ability [[YouWillNotEvadeMe Shadow Tag]] in ''VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire''. [[LethalJokeCharacter It was in the Uber tier until]] ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite''.


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** The Ledyba line is considered by many to be one of worst Pokemon (excluding the {{Joke Character}}s) for battling purpose. Ledyba and Ledian specialize in Special Defense, [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's about it.]] The rest of its stats besides its speed are laughably terrible, and despite being a StoneWall, it only learns a limited number of supporting moves (the near universal Toxic, Reflect, Light Screen and Baton Pass).
** The Slugma line. Not only is Slugma located at Kanto as a rare encounter, Slugma doesn't evolve until ''Level 38''! Its evolved form Magcargo is very underwhelming as none of its stats other than Defense are anything to write home about while being cripplingly weak to Water- and Ground-types.
19th Jun '17 7:57:39 AM Grobi
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** The Ledyba line is considered by many to be one of worst Pokemon (excluding JokeCharacter) for battling purpose. Ledyba and Ledian specialize in Special Defense, [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's about it.]] The rest of its stats besides its speed are laughably terrible, and despite being a StoneWall, it only learns a limited number of supporting moves (the near universal Toxic, Reflect, Light Screen and Baton Pass).
** The Slugma line. Not only Slugma is located at Kanto as a rare encounter, Slugma doesn't evolve until ''Level 38''! Its evolved form, Marcargo is very underwhelming as none of its stats other than Defense are anything to write home about while being crippling weak to Water-type and Ground-type.

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** The Ledyba line is considered by many to be one of worst Pokemon (excluding JokeCharacter) the {{Joke Character}}s) for battling purpose. Ledyba and Ledian specialize in Special Defense, [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's about it.]] The rest of its stats besides its speed are laughably terrible, and despite being a StoneWall, it only learns a limited number of supporting moves (the near universal Toxic, Reflect, Light Screen and Baton Pass).
** The Slugma line. Not only is Slugma is located at Kanto as a rare encounter, Slugma doesn't evolve until ''Level 38''! Its evolved form, Marcargo form Magcargo is very underwhelming as none of its stats other than Defense are anything to write home about while being crippling cripplingly weak to Water-type Water- and Ground-type.Ground-types.
19th Jun '17 1:24:58 AM flamemario12
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** Most Dark-type Pokemon flat-out sucked at their jobs at dealing with Psychics since all Dark moves were considered Special attacks yet most of them have low Special Attack stat. The exceptions being Houndoom (A GlassCannon with good Sp.Attack) and Tyrantiar (A MightyGlacier with decent Sp.Attack stat). It doesn't help that most of them only appear after beating the Elite Four.

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** Most Dark-type Pokemon flat-out sucked at their jobs at dealing with Psychics since all Dark moves were considered Special attacks yet most of them have low Special Attack stat. The exceptions being Houndoom (A GlassCannon with good Sp.Attack) and Tyrantiar Tyranitar (A MightyGlacier with decent Sp.Attack stat).Attack). It doesn't help that most of them only appear after beating the Elite Four.
19th Jun '17 12:51:56 AM flamemario12
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* ScrappyWeapon: Custom Balls made by Kurt, as most of them suffer from bugs that prevented them from working properly.

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Custom Balls made by Kurt, as most of them suffer from bugs that prevented them from working properly.properly.
** The Ledyba line is considered by many to be one of worst Pokemon (excluding JokeCharacter) for battling purpose. Ledyba and Ledian specialize in Special Defense, [[CripplingOverspecialization but that's about it.]] The rest of its stats besides its speed are laughably terrible, and despite being a StoneWall, it only learns a limited number of supporting moves (the near universal Toxic, Reflect, Light Screen and Baton Pass).
** The Slugma line. Not only Slugma is located at Kanto as a rare encounter, Slugma doesn't evolve until ''Level 38''! Its evolved form, Marcargo is very underwhelming as none of its stats other than Defense are anything to write home about while being crippling weak to Water-type and Ground-type.
19th Jun '17 12:30:56 AM flamemario12
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** Joey, the first trainer you fight after TheRival, will call you up to brag about his Rattata, a mediocre {{Com Mon|s}}. ''Constantly.'' You can rematch him later for an HP Up each time, but you'll probably be happier if you just never give him your phone number.
--> "Remember my super-cool RATTATA? My RATTATA is different from regular RATTATA. [[MemeticMutation It's like my RATTATA is in the top percentage of RATTATA]]."



** While he isn't outright hated, Elm is commonly viewed as the least memorable professor, particularly with how much more prominent Professor Oak is even within Elm's own region. He doesn't even greet you on the beginning of the game!
31st May '17 12:08:20 PM Kindle4Light
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A sidequest reveals just what happened to Giovanni after his defeat to Red (culminating in you facing him), and expands on Silver's backstory and why he is who he is. What did they do with this? Completely lock it away from the player unless they have a Celebi, and since Wi-Fi events for these games are long over, [[TemporaryOnlineContent nobody is going to experience any of it without cheating]].
** The remakes of Red and Blue introduced Leaf, the female counterpart to Red. Yet if you make the trek to the top of Mt. Silver as Lyra, instead of finding Leaf there...you find Red, just like if you play as Ethan and get to that point. It would've been a lot cooler if playing as Lyra let you fight Leaf instead.

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A sidequest reveals just what happened to Giovanni after his defeat to Red (culminating in you facing him), and expands on Silver's backstory and why he is who he is. What did they do with this? Completely lock it away from the player unless they have a Celebi, and since Wi-Fi events for these games are long over, [[TemporaryOnlineContent nobody is going to experience any of it without cheating]].
** The remakes of Red and Blue introduced Leaf, the female counterpart to Red. Yet if you make the trek to the top of Mt. Silver as Lyra, instead of finding Leaf there...Silver, you will still find Red, just like if you play as Ethan and get to that point. Red regardless of circumstances. It would've been a lot cooler if there's way to fight Leaf instead of Red, be it by connecting with a FRLG game, playing as Lyra let you fight Leaf instead.etc.
15th May '17 2:25:23 PM Retloclive
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*** This also applies to some Kanto Pokemon that aren't obtainable anywhere in Johto, such as Clefairy, Diglett, Chansey and Snorlax. Not being able to get Chansey in particular for Johto is an odd one given that it's evolution, Blissey, was introduced in this generation.

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*** This also applies to some Kanto Pokemon that aren't obtainable anywhere in Johto, such as Clefairy, Diglett, Chansey and Snorlax. Not being able to get Chansey in particular for Johto is an odd one given that it's its evolution, Blissey, was introduced in this generation.
15th May '17 2:23:35 PM Retloclive
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*** This also applies to some Kanto Pokemon that aren't obtainable anywhere in Johto, such as Clefairy, Diglett, and Snorlax.

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*** This also applies to some Kanto Pokemon that aren't obtainable anywhere in Johto, such as Clefairy, Diglett, Chansey and Snorlax.Snorlax. Not being able to get Chansey in particular for Johto is an odd one given that it's evolution, Blissey, was introduced in this generation.
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