History YMMV / PokemonGenesectAndTheLegendAwakened

21st Apr '16 6:41:44 PM Darthrai
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* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. Eventually [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] for Mewtwo's reputation in general; Mewtwo fans tend to merely ignore this movie because the ''Pokémon'' franchise re-introduced the original Mewtwo's characterization, although some of them are still bitter towards the current anime thanks to this movie.

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* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw The controversy generated by this movie's Mewtwo as damaged the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further anime's and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. Eventually [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] for its writers' reputations with many fans, although Mewtwo's reputation in general; Mewtwo fans tend to merely ignore this movie because as a whole was eventually repaired by the ''Pokémon'' franchise re-introduced the original re-introduction of Mewtwo's characterization, although some of them are still bitter towards old characterization to the current anime thanks to this movie.franchise.
21st Apr '16 6:38:58 PM Darthrai
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* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. Eventually [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] for Mewtwo's reputation in general; Mewtwo fans tend to merely ignore this movie due to the ''Pokémon'' franchise re-introducing the original Mewtwo's characterization, although some of them are still bitter towards the current anime.

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* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. Eventually [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] for Mewtwo's reputation in general; Mewtwo fans tend to merely ignore this movie due to because the ''Pokémon'' franchise re-introducing re-introduced the original Mewtwo's characterization, although some of them are still bitter towards the current anime.anime thanks to this movie.
21st Apr '16 6:38:00 PM Darthrai
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* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. Eventually [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] for Mewtwo's reputation in general; Mewtwo fans tend to merely ignore this movie due to the ''Pokémon'' franchise re-introducing the original Mewtwo's characterization, reducing the possibility of future controversy.

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* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. Eventually [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] for Mewtwo's reputation in general; Mewtwo fans tend to merely ignore this movie due to the ''Pokémon'' franchise re-introducing the original Mewtwo's characterization, reducing although some of them are still bitter towards the possibility of future controversy.current anime.
21st Apr '16 6:37:18 PM Darthrai
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* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. Eventually[[SubvertedTrope subverted]] for Mewtwo's reputation in general; Mewtwo fans tend to merely ignore this movie due to the ''Pokémon'' franchise re-introducing the original Mewtwo's characterization, reducing the possibility of future controversy.

to:

* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. Eventually[[SubvertedTrope Eventually [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] for Mewtwo's reputation in general; Mewtwo fans tend to merely ignore this movie due to the ''Pokémon'' franchise re-introducing the original Mewtwo's characterization, reducing the possibility of future controversy.
21st Apr '16 6:36:54 PM Darthrai
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* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] for Mewtwo's reputation in general, as explained under AuthorsSavingThrow.

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* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] Eventually[[SubvertedTrope subverted]] for Mewtwo's reputation in general, as explained under AuthorsSavingThrow.general; Mewtwo fans tend to merely ignore this movie due to the ''Pokémon'' franchise re-introducing the original Mewtwo's characterization, reducing the possibility of future controversy.
21st Apr '16 6:32:08 PM Darthrai
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Aside from the Movie 1 Mewtwo, this movie's Mewtwo's personality also contradicts the minimal amount of personality that Mewtwo has in the games (being a BloodKnight with a "savage heart"; supposedly one worse than any other Pokémon). Months after this movie's release, official materials such as the ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' international website and the Mewtwo trophy from the fourth ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' game started emphasizing Mewtwo's savage BloodKnight nature ''even more'', possibly in an attempt to reinforce this trait (the latter even adds a few details reminiscent of the Movie 1 Mewtwo). When Mewtwo was finally made playable DLC in ''Smash'', the character was revealed to be the same one as in ''Melee'', voiced by the [[TheOtherDarrin newly cast]] Creator/KeijiFujiwara, which helped calm many fans' fears that this movie's Mewtwo would indeed [[{{Retcon}} replace the original]].

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Aside from After the Movie 1 Mewtwo, backlash to this movie's Mewtwo, other ''Pokémon'' media gradually phased in the original Mewtwo's personality also contradicts the minimal amount of personality that Mewtwo has in the games (being a BloodKnight with a "savage heart"; supposedly one worse than any other Pokémon). Months after characterization while never returning to this movie's release, official materials one's, such as the ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' international website and the Mewtwo trophy from the fourth ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' game started emphasizing Mewtwo's savage BloodKnight nature ''even more'', possibly in an attempt to reinforce this trait (the latter even adds a few details reminiscent of the Movie 1 Mewtwo). When Mewtwo was finally made playable DLC in ''Smash'', the character was revealed to be the same one as in ''Melee'', voiced by the [[TheOtherDarrin newly cast]] Creator/KeijiFujiwara, which helped calm many fans' fears that this movie's Mewtwo would indeed [[{{Retcon}} replace the original]].''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros for 3DS/Wii U''.



* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. However, Mewtwo's[[note]]in general, not this particular Mewtwo[[/note]] reputation [[SubvertedTrope is largely unaffected by this movie]] because [[AuthorsSavingThrow The Pokémon Company apparently learned from their mistake and re-established Mewtwo's old characterization]] in other media, such as in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros for 3DS/Wii U''.

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* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. However, Mewtwo's[[note]]in general, not this particular Mewtwo[[/note]] reputation [[SubvertedTrope is largely unaffected by this movie]] because [[AuthorsSavingThrow The Pokémon Company apparently learned from their mistake and re-established Subverted]] for Mewtwo's old characterization]] reputation in other media, such general, as in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros for 3DS/Wii U''.explained under AuthorsSavingThrow.
21st Apr '16 6:28:46 PM Darthrai
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* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded.

to:

* NeverLiveItDown: Whether intentional or not, many fans saw this Mewtwo as the final nail in the coffin for any sort of [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to the]] PeripheryDemographic in the ''Pokémon'' anime. A few people take this further and use it to attack the creative staff, claiming that the staff outright ''[[FanHater hates]]'' the adult fanbase and that "Newtwo" was [[TrollingCreator intended to piss them off on purpose]], but such complaints are usually unfounded. However, Mewtwo's[[note]]in general, not this particular Mewtwo[[/note]] reputation [[SubvertedTrope is largely unaffected by this movie]] because [[AuthorsSavingThrow The Pokémon Company apparently learned from their mistake and re-established Mewtwo's old characterization]] in other media, such as in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros for 3DS/Wii U''.
26th Mar '16 8:24:16 AM SpinAttaxx
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* IdiotPlot: The Genesect Army's threat to New Tork City only happens due to Pokémon Hills seemingly having the most irresponsible managers and architects of any nature reserve, as the power generator for the entire city is built ''right underneath the park'', it's [[NoOSHACompliance easily accessible by the Pokémon inhabiting it]], and there are seemingly no rangers on-duty to protect the park from internal or external threats (such as the Genesect Army - true, they probably wouldn't be effective against Team Plasma-enhanced apex predators, but still). [[PoorCommunicationKills No-one also bothers to tell the (capable-of-human-speech) Genesect Army of the eventual consequences of their actions]].
1st Mar '16 5:02:43 PM Sammettik
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* CounterpartComparison: The movie is often lumped together with ''VideoGame/MetroidOtherM'' and ''VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar'', as an "unholy trinity" of Nintendo properties released in the same timeframe that derailed their respective series' elements and characters in various ways.
29th Feb '16 4:58:23 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Invoked; [[http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/movies/bw_genosect_mewtwo/extreme_speed_genosect_awakening_mewtwo_director_yuyama_comment.html the director wanting to make a new image for Mewtwo is his rationale behind the use of a different one from the pre-existing character]].



* TheScrappy:
** This movie's Mewtwo, infamously so. While some hate just comes from her jarring feminine persona compared to the original Mewtwo, [[ReplacementScrappy not being the original Mewtwo]] and being LighterAndSofter than him, there are also many complaints about her being a lazy copy of the original Mewtwo, with no connection to him and no justification for her existence and radically different voice and personality. This Mewtwo's English voice actress, Miriam Pultro (who happens to be OneOfUs) [[https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=676840695674582&id=109462092412448 even anticipated said backlash against her role]].

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* TheScrappy:
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TheScrappy: This movie's Mewtwo, infamously so. While some hate just comes from her jarring feminine persona compared to the original Mewtwo, [[ReplacementScrappy not being the original Mewtwo]] and being LighterAndSofter than him, there are also many complaints about her being a lazy copy of the original Mewtwo, with no connection to him and no justification for her existence and radically different voice and personality. This Mewtwo's English voice actress, Miriam Pultro (who happens to be OneOfUs) [[https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=676840695674582&id=109462092412448 even anticipated said backlash against her role]].
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