History YMMV / PokemonDiamondAndPearl

25th Sep '17 12:02:01 PM N8han11
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* JustHereForGodzilla: The Legendaries of this generation, particularly the Dragon Trio and [[EvilIsCool Darkrai]], are well-loved by the fanbase. However, most of the new non-Legendary Pokémon suffered from over-complicated designs and poor stats, except for a few such as Lucario, Garchomp and the previous-gen evolutions.

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* JustHereForGodzilla: The Legendaries of this generation, particularly the Dragon Trio and [[EvilIsCool Darkrai]], are well-loved by the fanbase. However, most of the new non-Legendary Pokémon suffered from over-complicated designs and poor stats, except for a few such as Lucario, Garchomp and the previous-gen evolutions.
16th Aug '17 11:03:50 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* WakeUpCallBoss: Thought you could breeze through the first Gym with just a couple under-leveled, type-advantaged Pokemon? Think again. You might get through Roark's first two Pokemon that way, but his Cranidos will *wreck your shit* with Headbutt if your team isn't at least on its level, especially if you gave the other two time to set Stealth Rock before.
16th Aug '17 11:01:57 AM neander7hal
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* WakeUpCallBoss: Thought you could breeze through the first Gym with just a couple under-leveled, type-advantaged Pokemon? Think again. You might get through Roark's first two Pokemon that way, but his Cranidos will *wreck your shit* with Headbutt if your team isn't at least on its level, especially if you gave the other two time to set Stealth Rock before.
14th Aug '17 8:58:33 AM MayIncon
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* DemonicSpiders: [[BossInMookClothing Ace Trainers]]. In these games, the National Dex requirements make their teams unpredictable without a guide since they will have powerful Pokémon in order to allow you to see every one in the Sinnoh Dex.



** [[BossInMookClothing Ace Trainers]]. In these games, the National Dex requirements make their teams unpredictable without a guide since they will have powerful Pokémon in order to allow you to see every one in the Sinnoh Dex.
12th Aug '17 7:34:14 AM flamemario12
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** Lumineon and Finneon are considered to be the Goldeen and Seaking of Sinnoh due to their pretty mediocre stats and the player encounter them much later in the game.
** Despite the fact that it can only be obtained by breeding a Ditto and Manaphy or itself, Phione is very underwhelming. Like Manaphy, its stats are pretty balanced, [[MasterOfNone but none of its stats are considered good]]. In addition, Phione lacks some moves that Manaphy could learn, most notably Tail Glow.



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** Lumineon and Finneon are considered to be the Goldeen and Seaking of Sinnoh due to their pretty mediocre stats and the player encounter them much later in the game.
** Despite the fact that it can only be obtained by breeding a Ditto and Manaphy or itself, Phione is very underwhelming. Like Manaphy, its stats are pretty balanced, [[MasterOfNone but none of its stats are considered good]]. In addition, Phione lacks some moves that Manaphy could learn, most notably Tail Glow.
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* ScrappyWeapon:
** In both gameplay and competitive battles, the HM move Defog. In game, it's used to remove fog (a field effect that lowers the accuracy of nearly every move used in battle) in the field in addition to lower the opponent's evasion by one stage. The fog itself is viewed as totally unnecessary and frustrating weather effect designed to waste a valuable move space on your Flying-type [[ClosestThingWeGot or Pokémon with wing-like appendages]] for the sake of having an even number of [=HMs=]. Besides, most Flying-type Pokemon can learn Aerial Ace to bypass the fog's effect. It can remove your opponent's Light Screen/Reflect, but it will also remove ''entry hazards that you placed'', making it counterproductive in competitive singles (where entry hazards are extremely important). It was eventually [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap salvaged]] in ''X and Y'' when it was made so that it also removes entry hazards placed by the opponent, making it a competitive staple since it can't be blocked like Rapid Spin (the only other way to remove entry hazards).

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ScrappyWeapon: In both gameplay and competitive battles, the HM move Defog. In game, it's used to remove fog (a field effect that lowers the accuracy of nearly every move used in battle) in the field in addition to lower the opponent's evasion by one stage. The fog itself is viewed as totally unnecessary and frustrating weather effect designed to waste a valuable move space on your Flying-type [[ClosestThingWeGot or Pokémon with wing-like appendages]] for the sake of having an even number of [=HMs=]. Besides, most Flying-type Pokemon can learn Aerial Ace to bypass the fog's effect. It can remove your opponent's Light Screen/Reflect, but it will also remove ''entry hazards that you placed'', making it counterproductive in competitive singles (where entry hazards are extremely important). It was eventually [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap salvaged]] in ''X and Y'' when it was made so that it also removes entry hazards placed by the opponent, making it a competitive staple since it can't be blocked like Rapid Spin (the only other way to remove entry hazards).
10th Aug '17 11:01:01 PM KOman
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** Lumineon and Finneon are considered to be the Goldeen and Seaking of Sinnoh due to their pretty mediocre stats and the player encounter them much later in the game.
** Despite the fact that it can only be obtained by breeding a Ditto and Manaphy or itself, Phione is very underwhelming. Like Manaphy, its stats are pretty balanced, [[MasterOfNone but none of its stats are considered good]]. In addition, Phione lacks some moves that Manaphy could learn, most notably Tail Glow.



** Lumineon and Finneon are considered to be the Goldeen and Seaking of Sinnoh due to their pretty mediocre stats and the player encounter them much later in the game.
** Despite the fact that it can only be obtained by breeding a Ditto and Manaphy or itself, Phione is very underwhelming. Like Manaphy, its stats are pretty balanced, [[MasterOfNone but none of its stats are considered good]]. In addition, Phione lacks some moves that Manaphy could learn, most notably Tail Glow.
25th Jul '17 1:33:24 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ContestedSequel: Gen IV is probably where [[CasualCompetitiveConflict competitive gaming]] really started to hit its stride, with the massive number of [=TMs=] and tutor moves, several items that would be impractical in casual play (ex. Choice Specs and Scarf, EV-gain enhancing Power items), the Physical/Special split, and evolutions for many neglected Pokémon. The more casual players, however, weren't so pleased with the lack of innovation to regular gameplay, [[NostalgiaFilter the aforementioned evolutions to old Pokémon]] [[VindicatedByHistory (though they've been received much more positively as time passed)]], the large number of legendaries viewed as dulling the concept (though Sinnoh's theme was mythology), and (more so in ''Diamond and Pearl'' than in ''Platinum'') the poor frame rate slowing down the adventure.

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* ContestedSequel: ContestedSequel:
** While Gen III was the most neglected generation [[VindicatedByHistory (and has become quite popular over time)]], Gen IV is probably the most controversial. It is frequently labelled as the best generation, and nearly just as often, labelled the absolute worst. Some fans love the improvements to competitive battling, the many powerful evolutions to oft-forgotten older Pokemon, and deep lore. Others hate the overabundance of the aforementioned evolutions and legendaries (with many of such detractors lambasting the former group of Pokemon as unnecessary and even ruining the design of the pre-evolution), and view the adventure as slow, formulaic, tedious and needlessly restrictive in Pokemon selection (though they might have a higher opinion of ''Platinum'').
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Gen IV is probably where [[CasualCompetitiveConflict competitive gaming]] really started to hit its stride, with the massive number of [=TMs=] and tutor moves, several items that would be impractical in casual play (ex. Choice Specs and Scarf, EV-gain enhancing Power items), the Physical/Special split, and evolutions for many neglected Pokémon. The more casual players, however, weren't so pleased with the lack of innovation to regular gameplay, [[NostalgiaFilter the aforementioned evolutions to old Pokémon]] [[VindicatedByHistory (though they've been received much more positively as time passed)]], the large number of legendaries viewed as dulling the concept (though Sinnoh's theme was mythology), and (more so in ''Diamond and Pearl'' than in ''Platinum'') the poor frame rate slowing down the adventure.



* LoveItOrHateIt: While Gen III was the most neglected generation [[VindicatedByHistory (and has become quite popular over time)]], Gen IV is probably the most controversial. It is frequently labelled as the best generation, and nearly just as often, labelled the absolute worst. Some fans love the improvements to competitive battling, the many powerful evolutions to oft-forgotten older Pokemon, and deep lore. Others hate the overabundance of the aforementioned evolutions and legendaries (with many of such detractors lambasting the former group of Pokemon as unnecessary and even ruining the design of the pre-evolution), and view the adventure as slow, formulaic, tedious and needlessly restrictive in Pokemon selection (though they might have a higher opinion of ''Platinum'').
15th Jul '17 11:37:06 PM Heartlesswithaheart
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** Also with Cyrus, does he actually want his plan to succeed, or does he want to stop but knows he's in too deep to do it himself? He's oddly helpful to the player to the point where he even gave them the Master Ball, and he doesn't do anything that would harm anyone (or the lake spirits, who are let go when the player comes for them) beyond what he has to do, barring his bombing of one lake. While he's still a villain, he doesn't seem too invested in doing anything but the minimum amount of damage to the world he supposedly doesn't care about.
29th Jun '17 1:10:20 PM N8han11
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** Elite Four Member Aaron has 2 {{Crutch Character}}s on his team and is pretty much an auto-win for the player. He's slightly less so in Platinum since they've been replaced with 2 legitimately threatening Mons that can also take a hit, though he's definitely still the easiest Elite 4 member since Bug has so many common weaknesses. [[PoorPredictableRock However, he has a Drapion, which despite being a bug and even pre-evolving from a bug, is only weak to Ground types, something that a normal Bug type resists]].

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** Elite Four Member Aaron has 2 {{Crutch Character}}s on his team and is pretty much an auto-win for the player. He's slightly less so in Platinum since they've been replaced with 2 legitimately threatening Mons that can also take a hit, though he's definitely still the easiest Elite 4 member since Bug has so many common weaknesses. [[PoorPredictableRock However, he has a Drapion, which despite being a bug and even pre-evolving from a bug, is only weak to Ground types, something that a normal Bug type resists]].
18th Jun '17 7:30:24 PM flamemario12
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Infernape is meant to be slightly better than Blaziken, but over time, the increasing yet surprising attention Blaziken get over the years with the game-breaking Speed Boost as its Hidden Ability and getting a very strong Mega Evolution [[OvershadowedByAwesome leaves Infernape in the dust]] as it is stuck with the more restrictive Iron Fist as its Hidden Ability.
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