History YMMV / PokemonDiamondAndPearl

27th Jan '16 8:07:22 PM KOman
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** While many of the Gen I evolutions [[NostalgiaFilter became]] {{BaseBreaker}}s and Gen III evolutions were mostly just casually accepted, the Gen II evolutions certainly fall under this trope because most of them evolve from {{Junk Rare}}s from said generation.
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** While many of the Gen I evolutions [[NostalgiaFilter became]] {{BaseBreaker}}s {{Base Breaker}}s and Gen III evolutions were mostly just casually accepted, the Gen II evolutions certainly fall under this trope because most of them evolve from {{Junk Rare}}s from said generation.
27th Jan '16 1:19:46 PM MayIncon
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** While many of the Gen I evolutions [[NostalgiaFilter became]] {{BaseBreaker}}s and Gen III evolutions were mostly just casually accepted, the Gen II evolutions certainly fall under this trope because most of them evolve from {{Junk Rares}} from said generation.
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** While many of the Gen I evolutions [[NostalgiaFilter became]] {{BaseBreaker}}s and Gen III evolutions were mostly just casually accepted, the Gen II evolutions certainly fall under this trope because most of them evolve from {{Junk Rares}} Rare}}s from said generation.
27th Jan '16 1:18:42 PM MayIncon
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** While many of the Gen I evolutions [[NostalgiaFilter became]] {{BaseBreaker}}s and Gen III evolutions were mostly just casually accepted, the Gen II evolutions certainly fall under this trope given its fairly large number of {{JunkRare}}s.
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** While many of the Gen I evolutions [[NostalgiaFilter became]] {{BaseBreaker}}s and Gen III evolutions were mostly just casually accepted, the Gen II evolutions certainly fall under this trope given its fairly large number because most of {{JunkRare}}s.them evolve from {{Junk Rares}} from said generation.
10th Jan '16 5:13:03 PM KOman
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I guess H Ms are a Scrappy Mechanic by definition.
** [=HMs=] in general became most intolerable here. Despite common misconception, Gen IV did not ''add'' any more to the total of 8 established in Gen III; Flash (converted to a [=TM=] presumably because Game Freak realized that people don't ''need'' it to traverse dark caves, especially when the player is given a small patch of light starting from Gen III) and Dive (Sinnoh has ''much'' less water than Hoenn) were ''replaced'' with the aforementioned Defog and Rock Climb. However, you will find yourself using [=HMs=] more often than in any other Generation, especially in Mt. Coronet and Victory Road. This stands out further with future generations largely delegating [=HMs=] to optional for items and shortcuts.

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** [=HMs=] in general became most intolerable here. Despite common misconception, Gen IV did not ''add'' * ThatOneLevel: Route 217. The perpetual hail gradually whittling down the [=HP=] of any more non-Ice Pokemon (which you wouldn't have had access to until now) can be problematic, but the total of 8 established in Gen III; Flash (converted to a [=TM=] presumably because Game Freak realized that people don't ''need'' it to traverse dark caves, especially when the player is given a small patch of light starting from Gen III) and Dive (Sinnoh has ''much'' less water than Hoenn) were ''replaced'' real issue comes with the aforementioned Defog snow, which sinks you in and Rock Climb. However, you will find yourself using [=HMs=] more often than in any other Generation, especially in Mt. Coronet and Victory Road. This stands out further with future generations largely delegating [=HMs=] of a snail's pace at sporadic intervals, making the trek to optional for items and shortcuts.Acuity Lakefront tedious. At least the music's nice.
31st Dec '15 4:01:04 PM KOman
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** Gen IV in general has gotten this reaction. While competitive battling greatly diversified (detailed above in GrowingTheBeard), Regular gameplay isn't much different from before. One of the main reasons that future generations haven't been as polarizing is the amount of innovation. * LoveItOrHateIt: While Gen III was the most neglected generation [[VindicatedByHistory (and has become quite popular over time)]], Gen IV is probably the most controversial, for the reasons stated in the above BrokenBase entry. Gen IV still has many fans, but it has one of the most vocal Hatedom.
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** Gen IV in general has gotten this reaction. While competitive battling greatly diversified (detailed above in GrowingTheBeard), Regular regular gameplay isn't much different from before. One of the main reasons that future generations haven't been as polarizing is the amount of innovation. * LoveItOrHateIt: While Gen III was the most neglected generation [[VindicatedByHistory (and has become quite popular over time)]], Gen IV is probably the most controversial, for the reasons stated in the above BrokenBase entry. Gen IV still has many fans, but it has one of the most vocal Hatedom.Hatedoms.
30th Dec '15 5:09:00 PM Karxrida
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** While Gen III and future games simply require you to beat the Champion to get the National Dex, these games require you to have seen every Pokémon in the Regional Dex. Admittedly it's not very difficult if you haven't been avoiding trainers and constantly spraying Repels, but it still seems unnecessary, especially considering that seeing Manaphy requires you to look in a book in the Pokémon Mansion that [[GuideDangIt the game doesn't tell you about]] and possibly having to use [[ScrappyMechanic a honey tree]] to see something you missed like a Combee. On the other hand, it did lead to a lot more trainer variety, especially with Cynthia having the most diverse team of any Champion in the series, so whether this subtle benefit offsets the potential tedium is debatable. The fact that the previous Generation had no backward compatibility whatsoever tends to downplay this issue.
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** While Gen III and future games simply require you to beat the Champion to get the National Dex, these games require you to have seen every Pokémon in the Regional Dex. Admittedly it's not very difficult if you haven't been avoiding trainers and constantly spraying Repels, but it still seems unnecessary, especially considering that seeing Manaphy requires you to look in a book in the Pokémon Mansion that [[GuideDangIt the game doesn't tell you about]] and possibly having to use [[ScrappyMechanic a honey tree]] tree (a disliked mechanic in and of itself) to see something you missed like a Combee. On the other hand, it did lead to a lot more trainer variety, especially with Cynthia having the most diverse team of any Champion in the series, so whether this subtle benefit offsets the potential tedium is debatable. The fact that the previous Generation had no backward compatibility whatsoever tends to downplay this issue.Combee.
30th Dec '15 4:58:21 PM KOman
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** While Gen III and future games simply require you to beat the Champion to get the National Dex, these games require you to have seen every Pokémon in the Regional Dex. Admittedly it's not very difficult if you haven't been avoiding trainers and constantly spraying Repels, but it still comes off as an unnecessary chore, especially considering that seeing Manaphy requires you to look in a book in the Pokémon Mansion that [[GuideDangIt the game doesn't tell you about]] and possibly having to use [[ScrappyMechanic a honey tree]] to see something you missed like a Combee. On the other hand, it did lead to a lot more trainer variety, especially with Cynthia having the most diverse team of any Champion in the series, so whether this subtle benefit offsets the potential tedium is debatable.
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** While Gen III and future games simply require you to beat the Champion to get the National Dex, these games require you to have seen every Pokémon in the Regional Dex. Admittedly it's not very difficult if you haven't been avoiding trainers and constantly spraying Repels, but it still comes off as an unnecessary chore, seems unnecessary, especially considering that seeing Manaphy requires you to look in a book in the Pokémon Mansion that [[GuideDangIt the game doesn't tell you about]] and possibly having to use [[ScrappyMechanic a honey tree]] to see something you missed like a Combee. On the other hand, it did lead to a lot more trainer variety, especially with Cynthia having the most diverse team of any Champion in the series, so whether this subtle benefit offsets the potential tedium is debatable. The fact that the previous Generation had no backward compatibility whatsoever tends to downplay this issue.
30th Dec '15 4:52:54 PM KOman
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** While many of the Gen I evolutions [[NostalgiaCritic became {{BaseBreaker}}s and Gen III evolutions were mostly just casually accepted, the Gen II evolutions certainly fall under this trope given its fairly large number of {{JunkRare}}s.
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** While many of the Gen I evolutions [[NostalgiaCritic became [[NostalgiaFilter became]] {{BaseBreaker}}s and Gen III evolutions were mostly just casually accepted, the Gen II evolutions certainly fall under this trope given its fairly large number of {{JunkRare}}s.
30th Dec '15 4:52:25 PM KOman
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Waterfall. Prior to this generation, it is hated for being less powerful compared to Surf and is a redundant HM on a Pokémon's limited moveslot as one cannot use Waterfall without Surf but not vice-versa. This changed when it was classified as a Physical move and has a chance to flinch, giving it a chance to diverge from Surf. While the stronger Aqua Tail exists, Waterfall is generally considered the better option due to its perfect accuracy.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: ** Waterfall. Prior to this generation, it is hated for being less powerful compared to Surf and is a redundant HM on a Pokémon's limited moveslot as one cannot use Waterfall without Surf but not vice-versa. This changed when it was classified as a Physical move and has a chance to flinch, giving it a chance to diverge from Surf. While the stronger Aqua Tail exists, Waterfall is generally considered the better option due to its perfect accuracy.accuracy. ** While many of the Gen I evolutions [[NostalgiaCritic became {{BaseBreaker}}s and Gen III evolutions were mostly just casually accepted, the Gen II evolutions certainly fall under this trope given its fairly large number of {{JunkRare}}s.
22nd Dec '15 6:15:22 PM deeman45
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** In more or less the same vein, Skuntank as well, since it is an underleveled ThatOneBoss in Eterna City that can not only hit hard, but can poison your team or lower their accuracy. It also only has one weakness, Ground.
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** In more or less the same vein, Skuntank as well, since it is an underleveled ThatOneBoss in Eterna City that can not only hit hard, but can poison your team or lower their accuracy. It also only has one weakness, Ground. And from a design standpoint, it is also despised for being themed around ToiletHumor (its face looks like a pair of buttocks and its cry sounds like flatulence.)
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