History YMMV / PokemonDiamondAndPearl

18th Jun '17 7:30:24 PM flamemario12
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Infernape is meant to be slightly better than Blaziken, but over time, the increasing yet surprising attention Blaziken get over the years with the game-breaking Speed Boost as its Hidden Ability and getting a very strong Mega Evolution [[OvershadowedByAwesome leaves Infernape in the dust]] as it is stuck with the more restrictive Iron Fist as its Hidden Ability.
5th Jun '17 6:23:31 AM Macsen
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** Generation IV in general has an exploit where, if the player has a certain Trainer ID and Secret ID, they can run a Pokémon with the Cute Charm Ability up front, and encounter a Shiny Pokémon 21.34% of the time. For comparison, the nominal random encounter Shiny odds are ''1 in every 8,192 encounters!''
29th Apr '17 10:01:13 PM MayIncon
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** Arceus. Many don't take too kindly to the notion that it's supposed to be {{God}}, as it makes other deified legendaries look obsolete. Its stats, ability and move pool are certainly worthy of praise as god-like, though.

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** Arceus. Many don't take too kindly to the notion that it's supposed to be {{God}}, as it makes other deified legendaries look obsolete. The divide gets wider when Arceus itself in return gets overshadowed by Mega Rayquaza. Its stats, ability and move pool are certainly worthy of praise as god-like, though.
29th Apr '17 6:08:57 PM SpinAttaxx
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* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: The move Stealth Rock in the {{Metagame}}. In competitive battling, it's almost required that you have both a Pokémon who can set up Stealth Rock and a Pokémon who can remove it with Rapid Spin (when your opponent inevitably does get it up).

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* CommonKnowledge: Arceus is the creator of the Pokémon universe, so obviously it's universally worshipped as this world's equivalent of {{God}}, right? In truth, almost no-one in the Sinnoh games even mentions Arceus by name (as it was a SecretCharacter upon the games' release), let alone worships it or swears by it as a substitute for God (as many a fanfic is wont to do -- "Oh my Arceus!"). Despite being less powerful ([[GameplayAndStorySegregation in plot terms, anyway]]), Rayquaza in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire]]'' has more of the trappings of a deity (with people actively praying to it, even triggering its Mega Evolution by doing so).
* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: The These games are the ones that introduced the move Stealth Rock in into the {{Metagame}}.{{metagame}}. In competitive battling, it's almost required that you have both a Pokémon who can set up Stealth Rock and a Pokémon who can remove it with Rapid Spin (when your opponent inevitably does get it up).
26th Apr '17 6:27:12 PM chicagomel
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** Biberal and Justin Bieber have such similar names that jokes have abounded.
** Bidoof has gotten a lot of these. There's the "Bidoof is on fire!" one and the "Bidoof fused with every Legendary (up to Gen 4)" ones for example.
20th Apr '17 6:54:38 AM MayIncon
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** In more or less the same vein, Skuntank as well, since it is an underleveled ThatOneBoss in Eterna City that can not only hit hard, but can poison your team or lower their accuracy. It also only has one weakness, Ground. And from a design standpoint, it is also despised for being themed around ToiletHumor (its face looks like a pair of buttocks and its cry sounds like flatulence.) It is quite telling when Skuntank and Purugly are removed from ''Platinum'' and barely appearing in future generations.

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** In more or less the same vein, Skuntank as well, since it is an underleveled ThatOneBoss in Eterna City that can not only hit hard, but can poison your team or lower their accuracy. It also only has one weakness, Ground. And from a design standpoint, it is also despised for being themed around ToiletHumor (its face looks like a pair of buttocks and its cry sounds like flatulence.) It is quite telling when Skuntank and Purugly are removed uncatchable from ''Platinum'' and barely appearing in future generations.
12th Apr '17 2:32:03 AM MayIncon
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** Sinnoh gets flak for its small Regional Pokedex, most infamously [[CharacterSelectForcing forcing Rapidash on you for a Fire-type if you didn't pick Chimchar]]. ''Platinum'' expanded the Regional Pokédex to correct this via adding the Magmar, Eevee, and Houndour lines to the game and placed Ponyta on a patch of grass north of Oreburgh City as well as giving it Flame Wheel early. While the choice for Fire-types is still small there's at least enough for Flint to have a full team.

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** Sinnoh gets flak for its small Regional Pokedex, most infamously [[CharacterSelectForcing forcing Rapidash on you for a Fire-type if you didn't pick Chimchar]]. [[FranchiseOriginalSin This isn't new to the series]] as [[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire the original Hoenn games]] also have shortage of certain types, but it's more noticeable here due to Flint's role as an Elite Four yet he only has two Pokémon of his type specialty. ''Platinum'' expanded the Regional Pokédex to correct this via by adding the Magmar, Eevee, and Houndour lines to the game and placed Ponyta on a patch of grass north of Oreburgh City as well as giving it Flame Wheel early. While the choice for Fire-types is still small there's at least enough for Flint to have a full team.



** The laboratory in the Galactic Veilstone Building, with creepy music, vats with ambigious objects floating in them, and scientists who put the Lake Trio through such pain to create the Red Chain that [[EvenEvilHasStandards they feel sick and begin to question Cyrus's goals]].

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** The laboratory in the Galactic Veilstone Building, with creepy music, vats with ambigious ambiguous objects floating in them, and scientists who put the Lake Trio through such pain to create the Red Chain that [[EvenEvilHasStandards they feel sick and begin to question Cyrus's goals]].



** In more or less the same vein, Skuntank as well, since it is an underleveled ThatOneBoss in Eterna City that can not only hit hard, but can poison your team or lower their accuracy. It also only has one weakness, Ground. And from a design standpoint, it is also despised for being themed around ToiletHumor (its face looks like a pair of buttocks and its cry sounds like flatulence.)

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** In more or less the same vein, Skuntank as well, since it is an underleveled ThatOneBoss in Eterna City that can not only hit hard, but can poison your team or lower their accuracy. It also only has one weakness, Ground. And from a design standpoint, it is also despised for being themed around ToiletHumor (its face looks like a pair of buttocks and its cry sounds like flatulence.)) It is quite telling when Skuntank and Purugly are removed from ''Platinum'' and barely appearing in future generations.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Infernape is meant to be slightly better than Blaziken, but over time, the increasing yet surprising attention Blaziken get over the years with the game-breaking Speed Boost as its Hidden Ability and getting a very strong Mega Evolution [[OvershadowedByAwesome leaves Infernape in the dust]] as it is stuck with the more restrictive Iron Fist as its Hidden Ability.



** While Gen III and future games simply require you to beat the Champion to get the National Dex, these games require you to have seen every Pokémon in the Regional Dex. Admittedly it's not very difficult if you haven't been avoiding trainers and constantly spraying Repels, but it still seems unnecessary, especially considering that seeing Manaphy requires you to look in a book in the Pokémon Mansion that [[GuideDangIt the game doesn't tell you about]] and possibly having to use a honey tree (a disliked mechanic in and of itself) to see something you missed like a Combee.

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** While Gen III and future games simply require you to beat the Champion to get the National Dex, these games require you to have seen every Pokémon in the Regional Dex. Admittedly it's not very difficult if you haven't been avoiding trainers and constantly spraying Repels, but it still seems unnecessary, especially considering that seeing Manaphy in ''Platinum'' requires you to look in a book in the Pokémon Mansion that [[GuideDangIt the game doesn't tell you about]] and about]], the possibly having to use a honey tree (a disliked mechanic in and of itself) to see something you missed like a Combee.Combee, and the inconsistent requirements between ''Diamond and Pearl'' and ''Platinum'' due to the former's iteration of the regional Dex doesn't include every Pokémon introduced in Generation IV.
12th Apr '17 2:18:31 AM MayIncon
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** The evolutions of previous Gen Pokémon (especially [[NostalgiaFilter Gen 1 Pokémon]] like Rhydon) got heavy flak when first introduced, often called unnecessary and abominations of the older Mons, with some even bordering on PowerUpLetdown after the introduction of Eviolite in Gen V. Over time, more people joined the side that recognized them as redemptions to Mons considered mediocre to forgettable beforehand, although some of their visual designs are still controversial. Even when there are plenty of them are have good designs and competitive performance, the inevitable PowerCreep catches on to them quick, and the controversial ones have overshadowed the others to the point of souring players' reception towards this mechanic and resulting in only ''one'' cross-gen evolution to exist after this generation (and it is Eevee, a definite fan-favorite regardless).

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** The evolutions of previous Gen Pokémon (especially [[NostalgiaFilter Gen 1 Pokémon]] like Rhydon) got heavy flak when first introduced, often called unnecessary and abominations of the older Mons, with not helping that some even bordering on PowerUpLetdown of them [[ScrappyMechanic evolve via trading while holding a specifc item]] and are [[PowerUpLetdown outclassed by their pre-evolutions]] after the introduction of Eviolite in Gen V. Over time, more people joined the side that recognized them as redemptions to Mons considered mediocre to forgettable beforehand, although some of their visual designs are still controversial. Even when there are plenty of them are have good designs and competitive performance, the inevitable PowerCreep catches on to them quick, ''quick'' and the controversial ones have already overshadowed the others to the point of souring players' reception towards this mechanic and resulting in mechanic. This ends up causing only ''one'' cross-gen evolution to exist after this generation (and it is Eevee, a definite fan-favorite regardless).regardless).



** Staraptor, for having an awesome design, great stats, and being very easy to raise and use.

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** Staraptor, for having an awesome design, great stats, one of the few Flying-types with access to ''Close Combat'' and being very easy to raise and use.



** Platinum is this to the original pair for fixing the frame rate, expanding the Regional Dex, and adding several features, like the Battleground to rematch Gym Leaders and a full-fledged Battle Frontier as opposed to just a Battle Tower.

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** Platinum ''Platinum'' is this to the original pair for fixing the frame rate, expanding the Regional Dex, and adding several features, like the Battleground to rematch Gym Leaders and a full-fledged Battle Frontier as opposed to just a Battle Tower.



* FashionVictimVillain: Team Galactic has this weird AtomPunk theme with their costumes and hair that looks so out place because no one else in the game dresses like that. It's probably not the worst example of this to come out of ''Pokémon'', though. Not helping Team Galactic's case, though, is the fact that they [[RunningGag frequently]] ''[[LampshadeHanging get called out]]'' on their fashion sense in-game. Several [=NPCs=] call them "space men", and a particularly humorous example occurs when Rowan includes it in his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.

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* FashionVictimVillain: Team Galactic has this weird AtomPunk theme with their costumes and hair that looks so out place because no one else in the game dresses like that. It's probably not the worst example of this to come out of ''Pokémon'', though. Not helping Team Galactic's case, though, case is the fact that they [[RunningGag frequently]] ''[[LampshadeHanging get called out]]'' on their fashion sense in-game. Several [=NPCs=] call them "space men", and a particularly humorous example occurs when Rowan includes it in his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.
8th Apr '17 11:57:08 AM MayIncon
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** The evolutions of previous Gen Pokémon (especially [[NostalgiaFilter Gen 1 Pokémon]] like Rhydon) got heavy flak when first introduced, often called unnecessary and abominations of the older Mons, with some even bordering on PowerUpLetdown after the introduction of Eviolite in Gen V. Over time, more people joined the side that recognized them as redemptions to Mons considered mediocre to forgettable beforehand, although some of their visual designs are still controversial. Even when there are plenty of them are have good design and competitive performance, the controversial ones has overshadowed the others, souring players' reception towards this mechanic and resulting in only ''one'' cross-gen evolution to exist after this generation (and it is Eevee, a definite fan-favorite regardless).

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** The evolutions of previous Gen Pokémon (especially [[NostalgiaFilter Gen 1 Pokémon]] like Rhydon) got heavy flak when first introduced, often called unnecessary and abominations of the older Mons, with some even bordering on PowerUpLetdown after the introduction of Eviolite in Gen V. Over time, more people joined the side that recognized them as redemptions to Mons considered mediocre to forgettable beforehand, although some of their visual designs are still controversial. Even when there are plenty of them are have good design designs and competitive performance, the inevitable PowerCreep catches on to them quick, and the controversial ones has have overshadowed the others, others to the point of souring players' reception towards this mechanic and resulting in only ''one'' cross-gen evolution to exist after this generation (and it is Eevee, a definite fan-favorite regardless).
8th Apr '17 11:50:55 AM MayIncon
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** The evolutions of previous Gen Pokémon (especially [[NostalgiaFilter Gen 1 Pokémon]] like Rhydon) got heavy flak when first introduced, often called unnecessary and abominations of the older Mons. Over time, more people joined the side that recognized them as redemptions to Mons considered mediocre to forgettable beforehand, although some of their visual designs are still controversial.

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** The evolutions of previous Gen Pokémon (especially [[NostalgiaFilter Gen 1 Pokémon]] like Rhydon) got heavy flak when first introduced, often called unnecessary and abominations of the older Mons.Mons, with some even bordering on PowerUpLetdown after the introduction of Eviolite in Gen V. Over time, more people joined the side that recognized them as redemptions to Mons considered mediocre to forgettable beforehand, although some of their visual designs are still controversial. Even when there are plenty of them are have good design and competitive performance, the controversial ones has overshadowed the others, souring players' reception towards this mechanic and resulting in only ''one'' cross-gen evolution to exist after this generation (and it is Eevee, a definite fan-favorite regardless).
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