History YMMV / PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor

10th May '18 2:56:19 PM RainingMetal
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** Outside the audience & stage mechanic is the fact that enemies pursue you in an attempt to fight, even if you're enough levels higher than them to trivialize any threat they pose. This ''really'' becomes a problem in [[ThatOneLevel the more tedious parts of Chapters 4 and 7]] as well as general backtracking for sidequests and exploration.
29th Apr '18 10:43:11 PM DialgaX
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* HarsherInHindsight: In Chapter 6, Doopliss steals Nitro Honey Syrup, shell earrings and a gold ring to combine them into a bomb to destroy the train and kill Mario. Come 2006, there was a panic about terrorists making bombs right on the plane.
11th Apr '18 4:09:11 PM finalsurvivor1
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* MemeticBadass: In wake of the Flavio glitch, Flavio has been given the reputation of a god by the fandom for his tendency to teleport during cutscenes while offscreen, stand on water, phase through a pirate ship, and [[spoiler:stand in front of the moon]], among other things.
4th Apr '18 8:31:42 PM ADrago
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** Ms. Mowz has become this to some people. Ms. Mowz isn't hated character or design wise, but her dislike seems to come from her subpar use in combat. Aside from Flurrie, Ms. Mowz is regarded by some as the least favorable in terms of combat due to her moves being very poor (Love Slap only does 4 damage at max, Tease isn't too reliable and Smooch's use is killed by the cost of FP it takes to use it being 10 FP) while her Kiss Thief move is cited as one of the most helpful moves in the game and the key reasons fans favor her to Flurrie, her combat is not popular past that one more and she performs the worst of any partner in game.
8th Feb '18 6:04:49 PM Vilui
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** Flavio. Even though his crew hate him, the fans surprisingly adore him. Even moreso after the discovery of a glitch that lets him stay in Mario's party permanently.
* EvenBetterSequel: Widely agreed to be a better game than its predecessor for multiple reasons. The first game was already great to begin with, but ''The Thousand-Year Door'' takes almost everything that made the original great and cranks it UpToEleven, with an improved battle system, awesome locales, even more memorable characters, an intriguing, more original story, epic boss fights and more. The result is a game that is often seen as the best of the ''Paper Mario'' series and even the ''Mario'' [=RPGs=] in general, let alone one of the best ''Mario'' games ever made as a whole.

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** Flavio. Even though his crew hate him, the fans surprisingly adore him. Even moreso more so after the discovery of a glitch that lets him stay in Mario's party permanently.
* EvenBetterSequel: Widely agreed to be a better game than its predecessor for multiple reasons. The first game was already great to begin with, but ''The Thousand-Year Door'' takes almost everything that made the original great and cranks it UpToEleven, with an improved battle system, awesome locales, even more memorable characters, an intriguing, more original story, epic boss fights and more. The result is a game that is often seen as the best of the ''Paper Mario'' series and even the ''Mario'' [=RPGs=] in general, let alone and maybe one of the best ''Mario'' games ever made as a whole.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Flurrie herself. While she's still not too popular design wise, as of late there is a small minority of players who have noted actual use in her moveset. Most noteably Lip Lock and Dodgy Fog. Her Lip Lock ability pierces defense and makes her a total wall against enemies. This downright cripples Bonetail and Gloomtail's offense, meaning Flurrie never loses HP. Flurrie is also a great shield for protecting other partner's HP by taking hits and restoring her health. Dodgy Fog acts as a nice evasive option that can be very useful in many later boss fights even more reliable than Veil. And finally Gale Force (despite its RNG factor) can be reliable in rewarding the player free star points and dispelling Fog, which is the better option to use over Bobbery in non Boss battles. It's even effective against the most dangerous of foes like Poison Puffs. Because of this, a few people argue that she has more potential than many players believe and that there are worse partners combat wise (Ms Mowz). Even her usage compared to Bobbery has been debatable.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Flurrie herself. While she's still not too popular design wise, as of late there is a small minority of players who have noted actual use in her moveset. Most noteably notably Lip Lock and Dodgy Fog. Her Lip Lock ability pierces defense and makes her a total wall against enemies. This downright cripples Bonetail and Gloomtail's offense, meaning Flurrie never loses HP. Flurrie is also a great shield for protecting other partner's HP by taking hits and restoring her health. Dodgy Fog acts as a nice evasive option that can be very useful in many later boss fights even more reliable than Veil. And finally Gale Force (despite its RNG factor) can be reliable in rewarding the player free star points and dispelling Fog, which is the better option to use over Bobbery in non Boss battles. It's even effective against the most dangerous of foes like Poison Puffs. Because of this, a few people argue that she has more potential than many players believe and that there are worse partners combat wise (Ms Mowz). Even her usage compared to Bobbery has been debatable.
27th Jan '18 5:23:18 PM maxwellsilver
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* AssPull: [[spoiler:TEC's return to life]] at the end of the game. Not even [[spoiler:TEC]] [[LampshadeHanging is sure how this is possible]], though [[spoiler:he suspects Peach has something to do with it]].

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* AssPull: [[spoiler:TEC's return to life]] at the end of the game. Not even [[spoiler:TEC]] [[LampshadeHanging is sure how this is possible]], possible, though [[spoiler:he suspects Peach has something to do with it]].



** Cortez, the fifth boss, definitely counts. He's a [[SequentialBoss Sequential]] FlunkyBoss that changes patterns entirely every time you "beat" him, with an interesting moveset that involves skill to counter, and also has [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome one of the best boss themes in the game.]] Not to mention that he's also [[ThatOneBoss one of the hardest bosses up to that point.]]

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** Cortez, the fifth boss, definitely counts. He's a [[SequentialBoss Sequential]] FlunkyBoss that changes patterns entirely every time you "beat" him, with an interesting moveset that involves skill to counter, and also has [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome [[AwesomeMusic one of the best boss themes in the game.]] Not to mention that he's also [[ThatOneBoss one of the hardest bosses up to that point.]]



** [[BigBad Grodus]]. He's the boss of Chapter 8 (not counting [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Bowser,]] who's fought right after with no chance to stop and heal), and boy, does he put up a fight, being a ShieldedCoreBoss that uses several dangerous tricks but isn't unfair at all, and best of all, this is the same asshole that has been hunting you down for nearly the entire game, kidnapped Peach and threatened to rule the world, so beating up his ass results in a very strong CatharsisFactor.

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** [[BigBad Grodus]]. Grodus. He's the boss of Chapter 8 (not counting [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Bowser,]] Bowser, who's fought right after with no chance to stop and heal), and boy, does he put up a fight, being a ShieldedCoreBoss that uses several dangerous tricks but isn't unfair at all, and best of all, this is the same asshole that has been hunting you down for nearly the entire game, kidnapped Peach and threatened to rule the world, so beating up his ass results in a very strong CatharsisFactor.



** Hooktail if you have the [[WeaksauceWeakness Attack FX R badge]] equipped. It progressively lowers Hooktail's attack power, gets rid of her defense point, and makes it possible for Hooktail to miss with her attacks. [[SelfImposedChallenge Not using the badge,]] however, turns this into [[WakeUpCallBoss something else entirely.]]

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** Hooktail if you have the [[WeaksauceWeakness Attack FX R badge]] badge equipped. It progressively lowers Hooktail's attack power, gets rid of her defense point, and makes it possible for Hooktail to miss with her attacks. [[SelfImposedChallenge Not using the badge,]] however, turns this into [[WakeUpCallBoss something else entirely.]]



* ContestedSequel: Although almost unanimously considered better than its [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario three]] [[VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar seq]][[VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash uels,]] whether this game is better than the original ''Paper Mario'' can be a touchy subject in some circles of the fandom, even though it doesn't happen always. Common reasons for this include less interesting area design (as in, several areas being merely horizontal corridors) and some tedious backtracking, even though the first game also had its fair share of annoying backtracking, among other things. For the most part however the backtracking in the first game can be largely skipped over.

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* ContestedSequel: Although almost unanimously considered better than its [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario three]] [[VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar seq]][[VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash uels,]] three sequels, whether this game is better than the original ''Paper Mario'' can be a touchy subject in some circles of the fandom, even though it doesn't happen always. Common reasons for this include less interesting area design (as in, several areas being merely horizontal corridors) and some tedious backtracking, even though the first game also had its fair share of annoying backtracking, among other things. For the most part however the backtracking in the first game can be largely skipped over.
20th Nov '17 6:57:55 PM SenorCornholio
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** In Luigi's story, he had to dress as a bride to get an audience with a two-headed snake. In ''VideoGame/SuperMarioOdyssey'', [[spoiler:Mario can do the same thing (minus the snake part)]].
25th Sep '17 2:43:27 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Sir Grodus [[spoiler:shutting TEC-XX down]]. As the player's guide says: "If you don't feel much animosity toward Sir Grodus at this point, you will by the time the event is over." Plus, he does it ''in front of Peach''.

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** Sir Grodus [[spoiler:shutting TEC-XX down]]. As the player's guide says: "If you don't feel much animosity toward Sir Grodus at this point, you will by the time the event is over." Plus, he does it ''in ''[[ForcedToWatch in front of Peach''.Peach]]''.
25th Sep '17 2:39:34 PM TheLuckyCat
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** Pennington - is he funny or is he annoying?



** Sir Grodus [[spoiler:shutting TEC-XX down]]. As the player's guide says: "If you don't feel much animosity toward Sir Grodus at this point, you will by the time the event is over."

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** Sir Grodus [[spoiler:shutting TEC-XX down]]. As the player's guide says: "If you don't feel much animosity toward Sir Grodus at this point, you will by the time the event is over."" Plus, he does it ''in front of Peach''.



** Podley the Bartender is also hated by fans for his actions regarding Bobbery's wife. After telling the player Bobbery's backstory he admits that he never gave Bobbery a letter Scarlette wrote on her deathbed, even though not doing this caused Bobbery years of heartbreak. Podley comes off as a Passive Aggressive "{{Jerkass}} who refuses to admit his own mistakes. There's also his actions regarding the "Pure Hearted Eve" sidequest, where he flatout forgets Eve and tells the player to tell her "Live in the Moment" as a response.

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** Podley the Bartender is also hated by fans for his actions regarding Bobbery's wife. After telling the player Bobbery's backstory he admits that he never gave Bobbery a letter Scarlette wrote on her deathbed, even though not doing this caused Bobbery years of heartbreak. Podley comes off as a Passive Aggressive "{{Jerkass}} passive-aggressive {{Jerkass}} who refuses to admit his own mistakes. There's also his actions regarding the "Pure Hearted Eve" sidequest, where he flatout forgets ignores Eve and tells the player to tell her "Live in the Moment" as a response.
18th Sep '17 1:56:40 AM mario0987
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* HypeBacklash: While the game is still considered the best ''Paper Mario'' game and one of the best ''Mario'' Role Playing Games period, the BrokenBase that developed from ''Color Splash'' means some people are more likely to pick up on the game's flaws. There are also some fans who feel the game is too overhyped and nostalgia is playing a role in its status.
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