History YMMV / PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor

27th Mar '17 12:42:35 PM DoctorFlygon
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** Podley the bartender is difficult not to feel sorry for given his guilt in his connection to the aforementioned tale of Bobbery, even if it is warranted, and his mysterious past involving the character Eve in the sidequest involvint said character don't help matters either.

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** Podley the bartender is difficult not to feel sorry for given his guilt in his connection to the aforementioned tale of Bobbery, even if it is warranted, and as well as his mysterious past involving the character Eve in the sidequest involvint involving said character don't help matters either.character.
27th Mar '17 12:38:44 PM DoctorFlygon
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** Vivian would be very difficult not to feel sorry for. [[spoiler:To elaborate, she's blamed for literally everything that goes wrong for the Shadow Sirens, has a necklace she found taken from her by Beldam and repetitively [[KickTheDog kicked]] around by her sisters, and she's implied to be a [[ShesAManInJapan transsexual]]. The player is quite surprised that it took her that long to finally be fed up with Beldam's abuse, and join up with Mario.]]

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** Vivian would be very difficult not to feel sorry for. [[spoiler:To elaborate, she's blamed for literally everything that goes wrong for the Shadow Sirens, has a necklace she found taken from her by Beldam and repetitively [[KickTheDog kicked]] around by her sisters, and she's implied to be a [[ShesAManInJapan transsexual]].transgender]], which Beldam isn't any kinder about in the versions where it's inferred. The player is quite surprised that it took her that long to finally be fed up with Beldam's abuse, and join up with Mario.]]


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** Podley the bartender is difficult not to feel sorry for given his guilt in his connection to the aforementioned tale of Bobbery, even if it is warranted, and his mysterious past involving the character Eve in the sidequest involvint said character don't help matters either.
11th Mar '17 7:08:25 AM Ninplanet123
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: More than a few fans would have enjoyed a defictionalized version of [[HeroOfAnotherStory Luigi's adventure]]. That there's a toad kid in Petalburg who was playing the ''Paper Mario'' games and speculates if they'll release a "Paper Luigi" doesn't help.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: More than a few fans would have enjoyed a defictionalized version of [[HeroOfAnotherStory Luigi's adventure]]. That there's a toad Toad kid in Petalburg who was playing the ''Paper Mario'' games and speculates if they'll release a "Paper Luigi" doesn't help.
8th Mar '17 1:08:35 AM Anddrix
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* HellIsThatNoise: The tune for X's emails in the Glitz Pit, which is actually the World 6 music from ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBros3''.
7th Mar '17 11:25:23 PM Sammettik
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: More than a few fans would have enjoyed a defictionalized version of [[HeroOfAnotherStory Luigi's adventure]]. That there's a toad kid in Petalburg who was playing the ''Paper Mario'' games and speculates if they'll release a "Paper Luigi" doesn't help.
6th Mar '17 10:39:32 AM mlsmithca
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* SoCoolItsAwesome: Universally acclaimed back when it was released, accepted as the best of the ''Paper Mario'' series, the ''Mario'' role-playing games, ''and even one of the best Mario games as a whole.'' The best part? It's ''still'' acclaimed like it was back then, and for very good reason; its excellent gameplay, storytelling and characters rival almost anything else in the franchise, and for these reasons and several more, fans want another game in the vein of this one.
6th Feb '17 7:03:34 AM MegaMarioMan
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* EightPointEight: Game Informer originally gave the game a '''6.5'''. This would have been bad enough, but the reviewer's primary complaint? ''The writing was bad.'' The ensuing fan backlash actually prompted two letters of apology. The first one claimed that the reviewer gave the score not of his opinion, but guessing how well consumers would like it. This caused more complaints about the review, so a second apology letter was written with the exact opposite message.

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* EightPointEight: Game Informer ''Magazine/GameInformer'' originally gave the game a '''6.5'''. This would have been bad enough, but the reviewer's primary complaint? ''The writing was bad.'' The ensuing fan backlash actually prompted two letters of apology. The first one claimed that the reviewer gave the score not of his opinion, but guessing how well consumers would like it. This caused more complaints about the review, so a second apology letter was written with the exact opposite message.



* BestBossEver: A lot of them. The chapter boss fights are some of the best parts of the game, and even some of the minor bosses are fun to fight against, too. However, the [[spoiler:[[FinalBoss Shadow Queen]]]] stands out. After her introduction and the HopelessBossFight, followed by [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome one of the best moments in the entire game]], [[spoiler:she]] reveals [[spoiler:herself]] as a severely difficult boss in an otherwise not-too-difficult game (depending on how you play it, of course) with a very varied moveset, [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome dark blood-pumping music]] and the fact that [[spoiler:she's]] an all-out MarathonBoss with a whooping 150 HP, which is impressive considering that no other enemy, let alone boss in the main game has HP going past triple digits (the only other boss with triple-digit HP in the whole game is [[spoiler:[[BonusBoss Bonetail]]]], and even then [[spoiler:he's]] entirely optional).

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* BestBossEver: BestBossEver:
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A lot of them. The chapter boss fights are some of the best parts of the game, and even some of the minor bosses are fun to fight against, too. However, the [[spoiler:[[FinalBoss Shadow Queen]]]] stands out. After her introduction and the HopelessBossFight, followed by [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome one of the best moments in the entire game]], [[spoiler:she]] she reveals [[spoiler:herself]] herself as a severely difficult boss in an otherwise not-too-difficult game (depending on how you play it, of course) with a very varied moveset, [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome dark blood-pumping music]] and the fact that [[spoiler:she's]] she's an all-out MarathonBoss with a whooping 150 HP, which is impressive considering that no other enemy, let alone boss in the main game has HP going past triple digits (the only other boss with triple-digit HP in the whole game is [[spoiler:[[BonusBoss Bonetail]]]], and even then [[spoiler:he's]] he's entirely optional).



** [[BigBad Grodus.]] He's the boss of Chapter 8 (not counting [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Bowser,]] who's fought right after with no chance to stop and heal), and boy, does he put up a fight, being a ShieldedCoreBoss that uses several dangerous tricks but isn't unfair at all, and best of all, this is the same asshole that has been hunting you down for nearly the entire game, kidnapped Peach and threatened to rule the world, so beating up his ass results in a very strong CatharsisFactor.

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** [[BigBad Grodus.]] Grodus]]. He's the boss of Chapter 8 (not counting [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Bowser,]] who's fought right after with no chance to stop and heal), and boy, does he put up a fight, being a ShieldedCoreBoss that uses several dangerous tricks but isn't unfair at all, and best of all, this is the same asshole that has been hunting you down for nearly the entire game, kidnapped Peach and threatened to rule the world, so beating up his ass results in a very strong CatharsisFactor.



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The Smorgs, (the boss of Ch. 6). They just show up to block the switch to lower the drawbrige at Riverside Station, then the next morning, they just attack the train, kidnap the passengers, get a beatdown from Mario, and are never seen from Again.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: BigLippedAlligatorMoment:
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The Smorgs, (the boss of Ch. 6). They just show up to block the switch to lower the drawbrige drawbridge at Riverside Station, then the next morning, they just attack the train, kidnap the passengers, get a beatdown from Mario, and are never seen from Again.



* BreatherBoss: Hooktail if you have the [[WeaksauceWeakness Attack FX R badge]] equipped. It progressively lowers Hooktail's attack power, gets rid of her defense point, and makes it possible for Hooktail to miss with her attacks. [[SelfImposedChallenge Not using the badge,]] however, turns this into [[WakeUpCallBoss something else entirely.]]
** [[spoiler: Doopliss]] does not have many fancy attacks and he has less HP and attack than the previous boss. He also comes between [[spoiler: Macho Grubba]], who can attack twice in a turn and up his attack and defense, and Cortez with powerful attacks. Even in his second battle which is harder [[spoiler: the real threat comes from your partners who fight alongside him.]]

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* BreatherBoss: BreatherBoss:
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Hooktail if you have the [[WeaksauceWeakness Attack FX R badge]] equipped. It progressively lowers Hooktail's attack power, gets rid of her defense point, and makes it possible for Hooktail to miss with her attacks. [[SelfImposedChallenge Not using the badge,]] however, turns this into [[WakeUpCallBoss something else entirely.]]
** [[spoiler: Doopliss]] [[spoiler:Doopliss]] does not have many fancy attacks and he has less HP and attack than the previous boss. He also comes between [[spoiler: Macho [[spoiler:Macho Grubba]], who can attack twice in a turn and up his attack and defense, and Cortez with powerful attacks. Even in his second battle which is harder [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the real threat comes from your partners who fight alongside him.]]



* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: Like with the first game, just about every experienced player only ever focuses on levelling up their Badge Points and never raises any other stat past 20. It's an even bigger case than before thanks to the addition of Superguarding, which negates all damage if pulled off, and the max BP cap being raised from 30 to 99.

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* ComplacentGamingSyndrome: ComplacentGamingSyndrome:
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Like with the first game, just about every experienced player only ever focuses on levelling leveling up their Badge Points and never raises any other stat past 20. It's an even bigger case than before thanks to the addition of Superguarding, which negates all damage if pulled off, and the max BP cap being raised from 30 to 99.



* ContestedSequel: Although almost unanimously considered better than its [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario three]] [[VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar se]][[VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash quels,]] whether this game is better than the original ''Paper Mario'' can be a touchy subject in some circles of the fandom, even though it doesn't happen always. Common reasons for this include less interesting area design (as in, several areas being merely horizontal corridors) and some tedious backtracking, even though the first game also had its fair share of annoying backtracking, among other things. However, nearly everyone agrees that ''The Thousand-Year Door'''s gameplay and story are a notable improvement over the first one, so it's a DownplayedTrope.

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* ContestedSequel: Although almost unanimously considered better than its [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario three]] [[VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar se]][[VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash quels,]] seq]][[VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash uels,]] whether this game is better than the original ''Paper Mario'' can be a touchy subject in some circles of the fandom, even though it doesn't happen always. Common reasons for this include less interesting area design (as in, several areas being merely horizontal corridors) and some tedious backtracking, even though the first game also had its fair share of annoying backtracking, among other things. However, nearly everyone agrees that ''The Thousand-Year Door'''s gameplay and story are a notable improvement over the first one, so it's a DownplayedTrope.



** [[spoiler: The Shadow Queen]], thanks to being an EldritchAbomination that's played shockingly straight for a Mario game.

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** [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The Shadow Queen]], thanks to being an EldritchAbomination that's played shockingly straight for a Mario game.



** Sticker Star was hated by fans for going overboard with the paper aesthetic [[OverusedRunningGag (as in, the characters NEVER shutting up about being made of paper and most jokes being paper-related).]] In ''The Thousand-Year Door'', the characters themselves never said that they were made of paper, being only an aesthetic, but the game took advantage of the aesthetic with the [[CursedWithAwesome "curses"]] Mario gets throughout the game. These were actually one of the better received additions to the gameplay, in a stark contrast to ''Sticker Star'''s overemphasis on the paper aesthetic (which ironically lacks the paper "curses").
** ''Sticker Star'''s [[ScrappyMechanic Thing weakness system]] was also one of the biggest criticisms the game had, but ''The Thousand-Year Door'' did something similar with the Hooktail battle, in that she hates the sound of crickets, and if you used the Attack FX R badge (which makes cricket sounds) she would become [[BreatherBoss a pushover,]] on top of this being foreshadowed previously. However, you don't need to use it to beat her, and if you do so, she becomes [[WakeUpCallBoss much more challenging]], especially in [[SelfImposedChallenge BP-only runs.]] ''Sticker Star'' on the other hand, required to use a Thing sticker in almost every boss fight to be winnable, and most of the time clues would be very vague, but the moment you find it the bosses become a complete joke, meaning that skill and strategy are essentialy replaced with "guessing the correct sticker". [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks Understandably, fans absolutely loathed this change.]]

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** Sticker Star was hated by fans for going overboard with the paper aesthetic [[OverusedRunningGag (as in, the characters NEVER shutting up about being made of paper and most jokes being paper-related).]] In ''The Thousand-Year Door'', the characters themselves never said that they were made of paper, being only an aesthetic, but the game took advantage of the aesthetic with the [[CursedWithAwesome "curses"]] Mario gets throughout the game. These were actually one of the better received additions to the gameplay, in a stark contrast to ''Sticker Star'''s overemphasis on the paper aesthetic (which ironically lacks the paper "curses").
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** ''Sticker Star'''s [[ScrappyMechanic Thing weakness system]] was also one of the biggest criticisms the game had, but ''The Thousand-Year Door'' did something similar with the Hooktail battle, in that she hates the sound of crickets, and if you used the Attack FX R badge (which makes cricket sounds) she would become [[BreatherBoss a pushover,]] on top of this being foreshadowed previously. However, you don't need to use it to beat her, and if you do so, she becomes [[WakeUpCallBoss much more challenging]], especially in [[SelfImposedChallenge BP-only runs.]] ''Sticker Star'' on the other hand, required to use a Thing sticker in almost every boss fight to be winnable, and most of the time clues would be very vague, but the moment you find it the bosses become a complete joke, meaning that skill and strategy are essentialy essentially replaced with "guessing the correct sticker". [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks Understandably, fans absolutely loathed this change.]]sticker".



** Grodus' ultimate fate. [[spoiler: Not ''just'' the fact that he's only a ''head'' now, and he's '''still alive''', but then you realize that the Shadow Queen said that her powers weren't fully recovered... Meaning that her not being at full capacity was the only thing that ''kept Grodus alive''.]]

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** Grodus' ultimate fate. [[spoiler: Not [[spoiler:Not ''just'' the fact that he's only a ''head'' now, and he's '''still alive''', but then you realize that the Shadow Queen said that her powers weren't fully recovered... Meaning that her not being at full capacity was the only thing that ''kept Grodus alive''.]]



** For first-time comers, the audience can be a horrendous distraction as if you screw up your attacks, the timing or counter poorly (easy to do), your audience starts to shrink [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere from dismay and jeers]]. But you need these cretins' approval to pull off your special attacks. Things can get really hectic in boss fights causing you to accidentally attack someone throwing a gift at you, leading to more people bailing again. The audience can be the not-Glitz Pits.

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** For first-time comers, the audience can be a horrendous distraction as if you screw up your attacks, the timing on your attacks or counter poorly (easy to do), poorly, [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere your audience starts to shrink [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere leave]]. But you get Star Power from dismay and jeers]]. But the audience, which you need these cretins' approval to pull off your special attacks. Things can get really hectic in boss fights causing you to accidentally attack someone throwing a gift at you, leading to more people bailing again. The audience can be the not-Glitz Pits.



* SophomoreSlump: [[InvertedTrope Inverted]]. ''The Thousand-Year Door'' is the second game in the series but is widely considered the best one as it took everything good about [[VideoGame/PaperMario64 the original]] and expanded it greatly, and is one hell of a ToughActToFollow to [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario the]] [[VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar three]] [[VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash games]] that followed.



** Vivian would be very difficult not to feel sorry for. [[spoiler: To elaborate, she's blamed for literally everything that goes wrong for the Shadow Sirens, has a necklace she found taken from her by Beldam and repetitively [[KickTheDog kicked]] around by her sisters, and she's implied to be a [[ShesAManInJapan transsexual]]. The player is quite surprised that it took her that long to finally be fed up with Beldam's abuse, and join up with Mario.]]

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** Vivian would be very difficult not to feel sorry for. [[spoiler: To [[spoiler:To elaborate, she's blamed for literally everything that goes wrong for the Shadow Sirens, has a necklace she found taken from her by Beldam and repetitively [[KickTheDog kicked]] around by her sisters, and she's implied to be a [[ShesAManInJapan transsexual]]. The player is quite surprised that it took her that long to finally be fed up with Beldam's abuse, and join up with Mario.]]



** Even ''Mario'' qualifies to some extent. [[spoiler: Having your body and name stolen by a {{Jerkass}}, and no-one recognizing you with nothing but your jump, a hammer, some badges, and whatever items you had. While everyone talks about how great you are. Not to mention having your girlfriend transformed into the BigBad before your eyes.]]
** Luigi is either this or IronButtMonkey due to a certain request in Poshley Heights. Basically, [[spoiler: a fangirl of Luigi's wants to meet him, and in order to do that you need the L Emblem. When you show up, the real Luigi also shows up and she thinks YOU are the real one, practically crushing poor Luigi. That's right, if you want 100%, you have to be a dick to your own brother.]]
** TEC-XX is this. [[WhatIsThisThingYouCallLove Knowing nothing]] about love, helping Peach try escape, and trying to cheer her up when she misses the Mushroom Ball. [[spoiler: But then he is [[MoralEventHorizon shut down]] by Grodus, and uses the last of his power to tell Mario where Peach is and activates the teleporter back to Rogueport.]] [[spoiler:He gets better at the end of the game, but still...]]

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** Even ''Mario'' qualifies to some extent. [[spoiler: Having [[spoiler:Having your body and name stolen by a {{Jerkass}}, and no-one recognizing you with nothing but your jump, a hammer, some badges, and whatever items you had. While everyone talks about how great you are. Not to mention having your girlfriend transformed into the BigBad before your eyes.]]
** Luigi is either this or IronButtMonkey due to a certain request in Poshley Heights. Basically, [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a fangirl of Luigi's wants to meet him, and in order to do that you need the L Emblem. When you show up, the real Luigi also shows up and she thinks YOU are the real one, practically crushing poor Luigi. That's right, if you want 100%, you have to be a dick to your own brother.]]
** TEC-XX is this. [[WhatIsThisThingYouCallLove Knowing nothing]] about love, helping Peach try escape, and trying to cheer her up when she misses the Mushroom Ball. [[spoiler: But [[spoiler:But then he is [[MoralEventHorizon shut down]] by Grodus, and uses the last of his power to tell Mario where Peach is and activates the teleporter back to Rogueport.]] [[spoiler:He gets better at the end of the game, but still...]]
5th Feb '17 4:04:55 PM PrincessGwen
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** For first-time comers, the audience can be an horrendous distraction as if you screw up your attacks, the timing or counter poorly (easy to do), your audience starts to shrink [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere from dismay and jeers]]. But you need these cretins' approval to pull off your special attacks. Things can get really hectic in boss fights causing you to accidentally attack someone throwing a gift at you, leading to more people bailing again. The audience can be the not-Glitz pits.

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** For first-time comers, the audience can be an a horrendous distraction as if you screw up your attacks, the timing or counter poorly (easy to do), your audience starts to shrink [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere from dismay and jeers]]. But you need these cretins' approval to pull off your special attacks. Things can get really hectic in boss fights causing you to accidentally attack someone throwing a gift at you, leading to more people bailing again. The audience can be the not-Glitz pits.Pits.
5th Feb '17 2:54:58 AM dieseldragons
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** For first-time comers, the audience can be an horrendous distraction as if you screw up your attacks, the timing or counter poorly (easy to do), your audience starts to shrink [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere from dismay and jeers]]. But you need these cretins' approval to pull off your special attacks. Things can get really hectic in boss fights causing you to accidentally attack someone throwing a gift at you, leading to more people bailing again. The audience can be the not-Glitz pits.
7th Dec '16 7:16:50 AM MegaMarioMan
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* ContestedSequel: Although almost unanimously considered better than its [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario three]] [[VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar se]][[VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash quels,]] whether this game is better than the original ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' can be a touchy subject in some circles of the fandom, even though it doesn't happen always. Common reasons for this include less interesting area design (as in, several areas being merely horizontal corridors) and some tedious backtracking, even though the first game also had its fair share of annoying backtracking, among other things. However, nearly everyone agrees that ''The Thousand-Year Door'''s gameplay and story are a notable improvement over the first one, so it's a DownplayedTrope.

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* ContestedSequel: Although almost unanimously considered better than its [[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario three]] [[VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar se]][[VideoGame/PaperMarioColorSplash quels,]] whether this game is better than the original ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' ''Paper Mario'' can be a touchy subject in some circles of the fandom, even though it doesn't happen always. Common reasons for this include less interesting area design (as in, several areas being merely horizontal corridors) and some tedious backtracking, even though the first game also had its fair share of annoying backtracking, among other things. However, nearly everyone agrees that ''The Thousand-Year Door'''s gameplay and story are a notable improvement over the first one, so it's a DownplayedTrope.



* FranchiseOriginalSin: Sticker Star was hated by fans for going overboard with the paper aesthetic [[OverusedRunningGag (as in, the characters NEVER shutting up about being made of paper and most jokes being paper-related).]] In ''The Thousand-Year Door'', the characters themselves never said that they were made of paper, being only an aesthetic, but the game took advantage of the aesthetic with the [[CursedWithAwesome "curses"]] Mario gets throughout the game. These were actually one of the better received additions to the gameplay, in a stark contrast to ''Sticker Star'''s overemphasis on the paper aesthetic (which ironically lacks the paper "curses").

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: FranchiseOriginalSin:
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Sticker Star was hated by fans for going overboard with the paper aesthetic [[OverusedRunningGag (as in, the characters NEVER shutting up about being made of paper and most jokes being paper-related).]] In ''The Thousand-Year Door'', the characters themselves never said that they were made of paper, being only an aesthetic, but the game took advantage of the aesthetic with the [[CursedWithAwesome "curses"]] Mario gets throughout the game. These were actually one of the better received additions to the gameplay, in a stark contrast to ''Sticker Star'''s overemphasis on the paper aesthetic (which ironically lacks the paper "curses").



* HilariousInHindsight: Years earlier in the live-action parts of the ''Series/TheSuperMarioBrosSuperShow'', a professional wrestler took on the role of Mario. In Glitzville in this game, Mario takes on the role of a professional wrestler, the Great Gonzales.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Years earlier in the live-action parts of the HilariousInHindsight:
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''Series/TheSuperMarioBrosSuperShow'', a ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfSuperMarioBros3'', and ''WesternAnimation/SuperMarioWorld'', professional wrestler took on Wrestling/CaptainLouAlbano voiced Mario, and even played him in the role live-action segments of Mario.''Super Show''. In Glitzville in this game, Mario takes on the role of a professional wrestler, the Great Gonzales.



-->'''Peach''': TEC! You terrible machine! So your goal is to [[TakeOverTheWorld conquer the world]], is it?\\
'''TEC''': [[MemeticMutation Of]] [[Film/StreetFighter course]]. After all, I was built for that purpose.

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-->'''Peach''': -->'''Peach:''' TEC! You terrible machine! So your goal is to [[TakeOverTheWorld conquer the world]], is it?\\
'''TEC''': '''TEC:''' [[MemeticMutation Of]] [[Film/StreetFighter course]]. After all, I was built for that purpose.



* MoralEventHorizon: Sir Grodus [[spoiler:shutting TEC-XX down]]. As the player's guide says: "If you don't feel much animosity toward Sir Grodus at this point, you will by the time the event is over."

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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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Sir Grodus [[spoiler:shutting TEC-XX down]]. As the player's guide says: "If you don't feel much animosity toward Sir Grodus at this point, you will by the time the event is over."



* PlayerPunch: [[spoiler:Sir Grodus shutting TEC-XX down, if you really felt for TEC.]]

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[[spoiler:Sir Grodus shutting TEC-XX down, if you really felt for TEC.]]



* ThatOneBoss: [[spoiler:The Shadow Queen is quite hard, even by FinalBoss standards, although Bonetail himself is harder. Despite having only 1 Defense and her Attack being outmatched by a boss from 10 minutes ago, she gets multiple attacks per round, as well as being ''very'' difficult to time for dodges. And all of said attacks ignore your defense, so the damage starts racking up very quickly. She also has an attack that will drain your HP to replenish her own, and at one point, eats the audience's SOULS to restore her health. Speaking of which, she has more health than the two preceding bosses ''combined''. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Oh, and there's a pair of very long unskippable cutscenes before the real fight starts.]] [[SarcasmMode Have fun.]]]]

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* ThatOneBoss: ThatOneBoss:
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[[spoiler:The Shadow Queen is quite hard, even by FinalBoss standards, although Bonetail himself is harder. Despite having only 1 Defense and her Attack being outmatched by a boss from 10 minutes ago, she gets multiple attacks per round, as well as being ''very'' difficult to time for dodges. And all of said attacks ignore your defense, so the damage starts racking up very quickly. She also has an attack that will drain your HP to replenish her own, and at one point, eats the audience's SOULS to restore her health. Speaking of which, she has more health than the two preceding bosses ''combined''. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Oh, and there's a pair of very long unskippable cutscenes before the real fight starts.]] [[SarcasmMode Have fun.]]]]



* ThatOneLevel: Chapter 4 is infamous for the amount of backtracking, requiring four trips on the Twilight Trail at the minimum. What makes it a pain is the enemies, who are capable of very strong attacks, and the fact that all your partners have left you for this segment. It gets a little better when Vivian joins you halfway through, but only a little.

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* ThatOneLevel: ThatOneLevel:
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Chapter 4 is infamous for the amount of backtracking, requiring four trips on the Twilight Trail at the minimum. What makes it a pain is the enemies, who are capable of very strong attacks, and the fact that all your partners have left you for this segment. It gets a little better when Vivian joins you halfway through, but only a little.



* TheWoobie: Vivian would be very difficult not to feel sorry for. [[spoiler: To elaborate, she's blamed for literally everything that goes wrong for the Shadow Sirens, has a necklace she found taken from her by Beldam and repetitively [[KickTheDog kicked]] around by her sisters, and she's implied to be a [[ShesAManInJapan transsexual]]. The player is quite surprised that it took her that long to finally be fed up with Beldam's abuse, and join up with Mario.]]

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* TheWoobie: TheWoobie:
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Vivian would be very difficult not to feel sorry for. [[spoiler: To elaborate, she's blamed for literally everything that goes wrong for the Shadow Sirens, has a necklace she found taken from her by Beldam and repetitively [[KickTheDog kicked]] around by her sisters, and she's implied to be a [[ShesAManInJapan transsexual]]. The player is quite surprised that it took her that long to finally be fed up with Beldam's abuse, and join up with Mario.]]
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