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** There are many other theories ranging from plausible such as [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier "Hail HYDRA." to completely ridiculous such as [[Disney/LionKing "I killed Mufasa."]]
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* MemeticMutation: People have been speculating on what Fury whispered to Thor [[spoiler:that made him and every Asgardian up to ''Odin himself'' unworthy of {{Mjolnir}}]], from sensible guesses to ones like "tfw no qt gf".
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** People have been speculating on what Fury whispered to Thor [[spoiler:that made him and every Asgardian up to ''Odin himself'' unworthy of {{Mjolnir}}]], from sensible guesses to ones like "tfw no qtgf".gf".
** There are many other theories ranging from plausible such as [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier "Hail HYDRA." to completely ridiculous such as [[Disney/LionKing "I killed Mufasa."]]
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* MemeticMutation: People have been speculating on what Fury whispered to Thor [[spoiler:that made him and every Asgardian up to ''Odin himself'' unworthy of Mjolnir]], {{Mjolnir}}]], from sensible guesses to ones like "tfw no qt gf".
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* MemeticMutation: People of have been speculating on what Fury whispered to Thor [[spoiler:that made him and every Asgardian up to ''Odin himself'' unworthy of Mjolnir]] Mjolnir]], from sensible guesses to ones like "tfw no qt gf".
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Sure, Marvel, we totally buy that you'd turn Bucky Barnes, a BreakoutCharacter who just starred in one of the most financially successful movies of the year, a movie ''named after him'', into a villain.
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Sure, Marvel, we totally buy that you'd turn Bucky Barnes, a BreakoutCharacter who just starred in [[Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier one of the most financially successful movies of the year, year]], a movie ''named after him'', into a villain.
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* MemeticMutation: People of been speculating on what Fury whispered to Thor [[spoiler:that made him and every Asgardian up to ''Odin himself'' unworthy of Mjolnir]] from sensible guesses to ones like "tfw no qt gf".
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Broken Base is not merely \"Fans are upset\". There needs to be two or more sides to the controversy
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** [[spoiler:The death of Nick Fury and Winter Soldier's FaceHeelTurn]]. A lot of people are quite angry, thinking that this is just pandering to the MarvelCinematicUniverse. However, this was taken away by the fact that the event was really just SuperDickery and is cleared up in the next issue.
** The {{Dark Secret}}s are considered this as well, as many of them feel tacked on and is just putting in angst for angst's sake. In some cases, like Spider-Man, it's especially prominent because it's not even a secret that was remotely important to him beforehand, even if it is a major part of the upcoming ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'' storyline. One that was more well-received was Daredevil's secret, which infuriated comic fans when previews seemed to reveal that Matt's father, Jack Murdock, was an abusive father[[note]]which actually ''was'' retconned as truth [[OlderThanTheyThink back in Frank Miller's run]][[/note]], when it was later revealed to not be the case at all.
** Nick Fury having been revealed as [[spoiler:having been a secret assassin to many apocalypse bringing entities, along with trying to kill the Avengers when he reveals the truth to them.]] This stained Fury's character and history to some.
** Tony Stark [[spoiler:being involved in Bruce Banner's first transformation into the Hulk.]]
** Thor [[spoiler:suddenly becoming unworthy of Mjolnir when Nick Fury tells him a secret illegible in the speech bubble on page,]] when it could have been done in a more sensible manner.
** Dum Dum Dugan [[spoiler:being DeadAllAlong]], which contradicts ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion'' where he was replaced by a Skrull, and pretty much everything that's revealed or happens to Fury in the story.
** [[spoiler:The death of Nick Fury and Winter Soldier's FaceHeelTurn]]. A lot of people are quite angry, thinking that this is just pandering to the MarvelCinematicUniverse. However, this was taken away by the fact that the event was really just SuperDickery and is cleared up in the next issue.
** The {{Dark Secret}}s are considered this as well, as many of them feel tacked on and is just putting in angst for angst's sake. In some cases, like Spider-Man, it's especially prominent because it's not even a secret that was remotely important to him beforehand, even if it is a major part of the upcoming ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'' storyline. One that was more well-received was Daredevil's secret, which infuriated comic fans when previews seemed to reveal that Matt's father, Jack Murdock, was an abusive father[[note]]which actually ''was'' retconned as truth [[OlderThanTheyThink back in Frank Miller's run]][[/note]], when it was later revealed to not be the case at all.
** Nick Fury having been revealed as [[spoiler:having been a secret assassin to many apocalypse bringing entities, along with trying to kill the Avengers when he reveals the truth to them.]] This stained Fury's character and history to some.
** Tony Stark [[spoiler:being involved in Bruce Banner's first transformation into the Hulk.]]
** Thor [[spoiler:suddenly becoming unworthy of Mjolnir when Nick Fury tells him a secret illegible in the speech bubble on page,]] when it could have been done in a more sensible manner.
** Dum Dum Dugan [[spoiler:being DeadAllAlong]], which contradicts ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion'' where he was replaced by a Skrull, and pretty much everything that's revealed or happens to Fury in the story.
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** What happens to [[DeadAllAlong Dum Dum Dugan]] and pretty much everything that's revealed or happens to Fury in the story.
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** What happens to [[DeadAllAlong Dum Dum Dugan]] Dugan [[spoiler:being DeadAllAlong]], which contradicts ''ComicBook/SecretInvasion'' where he was replaced by a Skrull, and pretty much everything that's revealed or happens to Fury in the story.
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Sure, Marvel, we totally buy that you'd turn Bucky Barnes, a BreakoutCharacter who just starred in one of the most financially successful movies of the year, a movie ''named after him'', into a villain.villain.
* MemeticMutation: People of been speculating on what Fury whispered to Thor [[spoiler:that made him unworthy of Mjolnir]] from sensible guesses to ones like "tfw no qt gf".
* MemeticMutation: People of been speculating on what Fury whispered to Thor [[spoiler:that made him unworthy of Mjolnir]] from sensible guesses to ones like "tfw no qt gf".
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** The {{Dark Secret}}s are considered this as well, as many of them feel tacked on and is just putting in angst for angst's sake. In some cases, like Spider-Man, it's especially prominent because it's not even a secret that was remotely important to him beforehand, even if it is a major part of the upcoming ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'' storyline. One that was more well-received was Daredevil's secret, which infuriated comic fans when previews seemed to reveal that Matt's father, Jack Murdock, was an abusive father, when it was later revealed to not be the case at all.
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** The {{Dark Secret}}s are considered this as well, as many of them feel tacked on and is just putting in angst for angst's sake. In some cases, like Spider-Man, it's especially prominent because it's not even a secret that was remotely important to him beforehand, even if it is a major part of the upcoming ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'' storyline. One that was more well-received was Daredevil's secret, which infuriated comic fans when previews seemed to reveal that Matt's father, Jack Murdock, was an abusive father, father[[note]]which actually ''was'' retconned as truth [[OlderThanTheyThink back in Frank Miller's run]][[/note]], when it was later revealed to not be the case at all.
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** The {{Dark Secret}}s are considered this as well, as many of them feel tacked on and is just putting in angst for angst's sake. In some cases, like Spider-Man, it's especially prominent because it's not even a secret that was remotely important to him beforehand, even if it is a major part of the upcoming ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'' storyline.
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** The {{Dark Secret}}s are considered this as well, as many of them feel tacked on and is just putting in angst for angst's sake. In some cases, like Spider-Man, it's especially prominent because it's not even a secret that was remotely important to him beforehand, even if it is a major part of the upcoming ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'' storyline. One that was more well-received was Daredevil's secret, which infuriated comic fans when previews seemed to reveal that Matt's father, Jack Murdock, was an abusive father, when it was later revealed to not be the case at all.
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** Another selling point among some fans, Punisher / Rocket Raccoon team-up
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* BrokenBase: [[spoiler:The death of Nick Fury and Winter Soldier's FaceHeelTurn]]. A lot of people are quite angry, thinking that this is just pandering to the MarvelCinematicUniverse. However, this was taken away by the fact that the event was really just SuperDickery and is cleared up in the next issue.
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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase
** [[spoiler:The death of Nick Fury and Winter Soldier's FaceHeelTurn]]. A lot of people are quite angry, thinking that this is just pandering to the MarvelCinematicUniverse. However, this was taken away by the fact that the event was really just SuperDickery and is cleared up in the next issue.
** [[spoiler:The death of Nick Fury and Winter Soldier's FaceHeelTurn]]. A lot of people are quite angry, thinking that this is just pandering to the MarvelCinematicUniverse. However, this was taken away by the fact that the event was really just SuperDickery and is cleared up in the next issue.
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** Nick Fury having been revealed as [[spoiler:having been a secret assassin to many apocalypse bringing entities, along with trying to kill the Avengers when he reveals the truth to them.]] This stained Fury's character and history to some.
** Tony Stark [[spoiler:being involved in Bruce Banner's first transformation into the Hulk.]]
** Thor [[spoiler:suddenly becoming unworthy of Mjolnir when Nick Fury tells him a secret illegible in the speech bubble on page,]] when it could have been done in a more sensible manner.
** Tony Stark [[spoiler:being involved in Bruce Banner's first transformation into the Hulk.]]
** Thor [[spoiler:suddenly becoming unworthy of Mjolnir when Nick Fury tells him a secret illegible in the speech bubble on page,]] when it could have been done in a more sensible manner.
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** The {{Dark Secret}}s are considered this as well, as many of them feel tacked on and is just putting in angst for angst's sake. In some cases, like Spider-Man, it's especially prominent because it's not even a secret that was remotely important to him beforehand. [[spoiler:On the other hand, it's a major part of the upcoming ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'' storyline.]]
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** The {{Dark Secret}}s are considered this as well, as many of them feel tacked on and is just putting in angst for angst's sake. In some cases, like Spider-Man, it's especially prominent because it's not even a secret that was remotely important to him beforehand. [[spoiler:On the other hand, it's beforehand, even if it is a major part of the upcoming ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'' storyline.]]
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** The {{Dark Secret}}s are considered this as well, as many of them feel tacked on and is just putting in angst for angst's sake. In some cases, like Spider-Man, it's especially prominent because it's not even a secret that was remotely important to him beforehand. [[spoiler:On the other hand, it's a major part of the upcoming ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'' storyline.]]
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* HesJustHiding: Not everyone is buying that [[spoiler:Nick Fury]] is really dead, based on [[OpeningACanOfClones his use and abuse of Life Model Decoys in the past]]. These fans take "his" [[spoiler:immunity to the secret bomb]] as evidence that it's not really him.
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* HesJustHiding: Not everyone is buying bought that [[spoiler:Nick Fury]] is really dead, based on [[OpeningACanOfClones his use and abuse of Life Model Decoys in the past]]. These fans take "his" [[spoiler:immunity to the secret bomb]] as evidence that it's not really him. [[spoiler:Ultimately, this is proven correct.]]
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* BaseBreaker: [[spoiler:The death of Nick Fury and Winter Soldier's FaceHeelTurn]]. A lot of people are quite angry, thinking that this is just pandering to the MarvelCinematicUniverse. However, this was taken away by the fact that the event was really just SuperDickery and is cleared up in the next issue.
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* BaseBreaker: BrokenBase: [[spoiler:The death of Nick Fury and Winter Soldier's FaceHeelTurn]]. A lot of people are quite angry, thinking that this is just pandering to the MarvelCinematicUniverse. However, this was taken away by the fact that the event was really just SuperDickery and is cleared up in the next issue.
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Trivia, not YMMV
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* ThrowItIn: Originally, the Avengers vs. New Avengers storyline was ''not'' planned to have happened during ''Original Sin''. It was just perfect timing that allowed the storyline to fit in.
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* ThrowItIn: Originally, the Avengers vs. New Avengers storyline was ''not'' planned to have happened during ''Original Sin''. It was just perfect timing that allowed the storyline to fit in.
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Some people only picked the comics once they heard the Orb, extremely obscure but incredibly wacky supervillain, is a prominent character.
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* BaseBreaker: [[spoiler:The death of Nick Fury and Winter Soldier's FaceHeelTurn]]. A lot of people are quite angry, thinking that this is just pandering to the MarvelCinematicUniverse.
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* BaseBreaker: [[spoiler:The death of Nick Fury and Winter Soldier's FaceHeelTurn]]. A lot of people are quite angry, thinking that this is just pandering to the MarvelCinematicUniverse. However, this was taken away by the fact that the event was really just SuperDickery and is cleared up in the next issue.
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* HesJustHiding: Not everyone is buying that [[spoiler:Nick Fury]] is really dead, based on [[OpeningACanOfClones his use and abuse of Life Model Decoys in the past]]. These fans take "his" [[spoiler:immunity to the secret bomb]] as evidence that it's not really him.
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* CounterpartComparison: The event has gotten a ''lot'' of comparisons to DC's ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''. Both events are capped off by the murder of a long-time major supporting character, leading into the revelation of devastating secrets in the superhero community, one of which involves mind-wiping a hero.
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* CounterpartComparison: The event has gotten a ''lot'' of comparisons to DC's ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''. Both events are capped off by the murder of a long-time major supporting character, leading into the revelation of devastating secrets in the superhero community, one of which involves mind-wiping a hero.hero.
* ThrowItIn: Originally, the Avengers vs. New Avengers storyline was ''not'' planned to have happened during ''Original Sin''. It was just perfect timing that allowed the storyline to fit in.
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* CounterpartComparison: The event has gotten a ''lot'' of comparisons to DC's ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''. Both events are capped off by the murder of a long-time major supporting character, leading into the revelation of devastating secrets in the superhero community, one of which involves mind-wiping a hero.