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*FridgeHorror: [[spoiler: Schunack talks of "wiping the slate clean" in regards to humanity and keeps a firm hold on Toola even after she has served her purpose with the Ragan. It is frightful to consider what he planned to do to her after he killed all the other humans.]]

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Having just watched this movie, I found much of this page to be incorrect. Designated Hero is incorrect because The Forest is not a heroic force, it is Agito and Neutral City which is the heroic force. Also, the context made it sound as if The Forest is some alien invader overlord. Designated Villain has a similar misunderstanding and neglects to include that Schunack intends to "wipe the slate clean", which means kill Neutral City because it disagrees with him and represents the new world that he hates so much. Neutral City is explictly a "barrier" between the two sides. Ragna is not really presented as a villain at all. They just happen to be working for Schunack. As for Family Unfriendly Aesop. Trying to undo humanity's mistake in creating killer vine-dragon-things really is bad when it involves reducing the planet to "ash and rock" and killing the civilization as it exists. The goal is coxistence; neither subjected to the other. It's a work in progress.


* AssPull: [[spoiler:Agito being brought back from the dead after the final battle. This ability was not hinted at in the least.]]
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Some people consider the movie's theme song "With Reflection" as this. At any rate, it's gorgeous.
** The full name is Chouwa Oto ~With Reflection~, and it's by KOKIA, a prominent name in anime music (the artist did a wonderful cover of "Desperado" by Music/TheEagles). [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dtrZXmfBQ Here's an obligatory link to the original.]]
** Speaking of songs from the movie; the ending piece "Ai no Melody" (lit. "Melody of Love") is a beautiful, glorious mix of awesome which manages to be both a [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Crowning Music of Heartwarming]] ''and'' a TearJerker.
* DesignatedHero: We're supposedly supposed to root for the Forest in this, but it's pretty hard to do that when the Forest is hostile to most living things and actively withholds water from the humans to get what it wants. That's on top of the fact that it took over the planet and collapsed civilization necessarily killing billions of people and visibly destroying whole biomes (putting a damper on the GreenAesop), forcing those that remain to either work with it or become desert dwellers.
* DesignatedVillain:
** On the other side, we have Schunack, a WellIntentionedExtremist scientist who, in his impatience, screwed the world. He tried living in the world as it became, and eventually decided it was absolutely unacceptable. So he intends to use the E.S.T.O.C. to destroy his creation which, as noted, is not exactly cooperative to those that don't flat-out obey its whims. Yes, this will be rather harmful to the civilization that exists now, but even the scientist who built the thing acknowledges that in a recording and still thought it was worth leaving the option. It should be noted however that he also plans to use his weapon to destroy Neutral City as well, a moment of [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]] that seemed to have been added to justify the heroes' decision to stop him.
** [[TheEmpire Ragna]] in general is meant to give a ScienceIsBad vibe, from their blood red armor to their HumongousMecha to their heavily industrialized, military society. However, while they are a militaristic empire, they don't seem to be expansionist or even that aggressive. Most of their technology is used to survive in the desert and not depend on the Forest's wims. Its soldiers often trade and hang out in Neutral City. While the movie is clever enough to not treat them as AlwaysChaoticEvil, we're still supposed to see them as villains who [[spoiler:eventually do a HeelFaceTurn when they see that Shunack manipulated them]]. However, as mentioned in DesignatedHero above and FamilyUnfriendlyAesop below, it can be hard to root for the forest or the GreenAesop when the forest is a sentient entity that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Ragna's alternative doesn't seem too bad, even if it's not perfect.
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: [[spoiler:Remember, we have to live in ''harmony'' with the creepy sentient forest that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Trying to undo humanity's mistake in creating killer vine-dragon-things is ''bad.'']]

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* AssPull: [[spoiler:Agito being brought back [[spoiler:After Agito becomes a tree, he is reborn from the dead after the final battle. This a fruit dangling from some said tree. While it makes thematic sense, this ability was not hinted at in the least.at.]]
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Some people consider the CrowningMusicOfAwesome:
** The
movie's theme song "With Reflection" as this. At any rate, it's gorgeous.
**
is gorgeous. The full name is Chouwa Oto ~With Reflection~, and it's by KOKIA, a prominent name in anime music (the artist did a wonderful cover of "Desperado" by Music/TheEagles). [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dtrZXmfBQ Here's an obligatory link to the original.]]
** Speaking of songs from the movie; the ending piece "Ai no Melody" (lit. "Melody of Love") is a beautiful, glorious mix of awesome which manages to be both a [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Crowning Music of Heartwarming]] ''and'' a TearJerker.
* DesignatedHero: We're supposedly supposed to root for *IntendedAudienceReaction: Toola and Schunack are the Forest in this, but it's pretty hard to do that when the Forest is hostile to most living things and actively withholds water only characters from the humans to get what it wants. That's on top of the fact that it took over the planet past, and collapsed civilization necessarily killing billions of people and visibly destroying whole biomes (putting a damper on the GreenAesop), forcing those that remain to either work thus have much more in common with it or become desert dwellers.
* DesignatedVillain:
** On the
real life viewers than other side, we have Schunack, a WellIntentionedExtremist scientist who, in his impatience, screwed the world. He tried living in the world as it became, and eventually decided it was absolutely unacceptable. So he intends to use the E.S.T.O.C. to destroy his creation which, as noted, is not exactly cooperative to those that don't flat-out obey its whims. Yes, this will be rather harmful to the civilization that exists now, but even the scientist who built the thing acknowledges that in a recording and still thought it was worth leaving the option. It should be noted however that he also plans to use his weapon to destroy Neutral City as well, a moment of [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]] that seemed to have been added to justify the heroes' decision to stop him.
** [[TheEmpire Ragna]] in general is meant to give a ScienceIsBad vibe, from their blood red armor to their HumongousMecha to their heavily industrialized, military society. However, while they are a militaristic empire, they don't seem to be expansionist or even that aggressive. Most of their technology is used to survive in the desert and not depend on the Forest's wims. Its soldiers often trade and hang out in Neutral City. While the movie is clever enough to not treat them as AlwaysChaoticEvil, we're still supposed to see them as villains who [[spoiler:eventually do a HeelFaceTurn when they see that Shunack manipulated them]]. However, as mentioned in DesignatedHero above and FamilyUnfriendlyAesop below, it can be hard to root
characters. Their bafflement, sorrow, disgust etc. for the forest or setting is likely to be the GreenAesop when the forest is a sentient entity that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Ragna's alternative doesn't seem too bad, even if it's not perfect.
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: [[spoiler:Remember, we have to live in ''harmony''
audience reaction would be. Agreement with the creepy sentient forest that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Trying to undo humanity's mistake later, even though he is the BigBad, is intended so one can see how, in creating killer vine-dragon-things is ''bad.'']]this hypothetical situation, he can be mistaken.



* ScienceIsBad: Generally seems to be the case. [[spoiler:Genetic tampering led to plants destroying the world and the creation of volcanic superweapons. Toola discarding her future necklace phone at the end is portrayed as a good thing. Then again the wise plants are indicated to be good, and they are the product of science too.]]
** Any "technology is bad" message is undermined by the fact that Neutral City citizens are reliant on mining equipment and use old world supplies and Ragna can only survive in the desert thanks to water-extraction technology, suggesting there are legitimate uses of technology. Makes you wonder if [[spoiler: Toola throwing away her communicator was the best idea.]]
* UncannyValley: The twin forest spirits intentionally fall into this.

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* ScienceIsBad: Generally While this seems to be the case. case, given what happened in the film's backstory, it is not really the case at all.
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[[spoiler:Genetic tampering led to plants destroying the world and but this was due to one person's impatience in overstimulating the genes involved.]]
**[[spoiler: Science led to
the creation of a volcanic superweapons. superweapon but the danger of this weapon is acknowledged by its creator, which is why he put in so many safeguards to prevent its misuse.]]
** [[spoiler:
Toola discarding her future necklace phone at the end is portrayed as a good thing. Then again thing because it is symbolic of her letting go of her past and embracing her new life. The fact that the wise plants are indicated to be good, and they are the product of science too.necklace is high-tech is incidental.]]
** Any "technology is bad" message is undermined by the fact that Neutral City citizens are reliant on mining equipment and use old world supplies and Ragna can only survive in the desert thanks to water-extraction technology, suggesting there are legitimate uses of technology. Makes you wonder if [[spoiler: Toola throwing away her communicator was The again the best idea.wise plants are indicated to be good, and they are the product of science too.]]
** Furthermore, any "technology is bad" message is undermined by the fact that Neutral City citizens are reliant on mining equipment and use old world supplies and Ragna can only survive in the desert thanks to water-extraction technology.
* UncannyValley: The twin forest spirits intentionally fall into this. They are basically FairFolk, after all. Their attempts at mimicking human appearance and behavior is going to be spotty.

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** [[TheEmpire Ragna]] in general is meant to give a ScienceIsBad vibe, from their blood red armor to their HumongousMecha to their heavily industrialized, military society. However, while they are a militaristic empire, they don't seem to be expansionist or even that aggressive. Most of their technology is used to survive in the desert and not depend on the Forest's wims. Its soldiers often trade and hang out in Neutral City. While the movie is clever enough to not treat them as AlwaysChaoticEvil, we're still supposed to see them as villains who [[spoiler:eventually do a HeelFaceTurn when they see that Shunack manipulated them]]. However, as mentioned in DesignatedHero above and BrokenAesop on the main page, it can be hard to root for the forest or the GreenAesop when the forest is a sentient entity that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Ragna's alternative doesn't seem too bad, even if it's not perfect.

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** [[TheEmpire Ragna]] in general is meant to give a ScienceIsBad vibe, from their blood red armor to their HumongousMecha to their heavily industrialized, military society. However, while they are a militaristic empire, they don't seem to be expansionist or even that aggressive. Most of their technology is used to survive in the desert and not depend on the Forest's wims. Its soldiers often trade and hang out in Neutral City. While the movie is clever enough to not treat them as AlwaysChaoticEvil, we're still supposed to see them as villains who [[spoiler:eventually do a HeelFaceTurn when they see that Shunack manipulated them]]. However, as mentioned in DesignatedHero above and BrokenAesop on the main page, FamilyUnfriendlyAesop below, it can be hard to root for the forest or the GreenAesop when the forest is a sentient entity that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Ragna's alternative doesn't seem too bad, even if it's not perfect.perfect.
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: [[spoiler:Remember, we have to live in ''harmony'' with the creepy sentient forest that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Trying to undo humanity's mistake in creating killer vine-dragon-things is ''bad.'']]
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* DesignatedHero: We're supposedly supposed to root for the Forest in this, but it's pretty hard to do that when the Forest is hostile to most living things and actively withholds water from the humans to get what it wants. That's on top of the fact that it took over the planet and collapsed civilization, forcing those that remain to either work with it or become desert dwellers.

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* DesignatedHero: We're supposedly supposed to root for the Forest in this, but it's pretty hard to do that when the Forest is hostile to most living things and actively withholds water from the humans to get what it wants. That's on top of the fact that it took over the planet and collapsed civilization, civilization necessarily killing billions of people and visibly destroying whole biomes (putting a damper on the GreenAesop), forcing those that remain to either work with it or become desert dwellers.
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** The full name is Chouwa Oto ~With Reflection~, and it's by KOKIA, a prominent name in anime music (the artist did a wonderful cover of Desperado, by TheEagles). [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dtrZXmfBQ Here's an obligatory link to the original.]]

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** The full name is Chouwa Oto ~With Reflection~, and it's by KOKIA, a prominent name in anime music (the artist did a wonderful cover of Desperado, "Desperado" by TheEagles).Music/TheEagles). [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dtrZXmfBQ Here's an obligatory link to the original.]]
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** On the other side, we have a WellIntentionedExtremist scientist who, in his impatience, screwed the world. He tried living in the world as it became, and eventually decided it was absolutely unacceptable. So he intends to use the E.S.T.O.C. to destroy his creation which, as noted, is not exactly cooperative to those that don't flat-out obey its whims. Yes, this will be rather harmful to the civilization that exists now, but even the scientist who built the thing acknowledges that in a recording and still thought it was worth leaving the option. It should be noted however that he also plans to use his weapon to destroy Neutral City as well, a moment of [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]] that seemed to have been added to justify the heroes' decision to stop him.

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** On the other side, we have Schunack, a WellIntentionedExtremist scientist who, in his impatience, screwed the world. He tried living in the world as it became, and eventually decided it was absolutely unacceptable. So he intends to use the E.S.T.O.C. to destroy his creation which, as noted, is not exactly cooperative to those that don't flat-out obey its whims. Yes, this will be rather harmful to the civilization that exists now, but even the scientist who built the thing acknowledges that in a recording and still thought it was worth leaving the option. It should be noted however that he also plans to use his weapon to destroy Neutral City as well, a moment of [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]] that seemed to have been added to justify the heroes' decision to stop him.
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** Ragna in general is meant to give a ScienceIsBad vibe, from their blood red armor to their HumongousMecha to their heavily industrialized, military society. However, while they are a militaristic empire, they don't seem to be expansionist or even that aggressive. Most of their technology is used to survive in the desert and not depend on the Forest's wims. Its soldiers often trade and hang out in Neutral City. While the movie is clever enough to not treat them as AlwaysChaoticEvil, we're still supposed to see them as villains who [[spoiler:eventually do a HeelFaceTurn when they see that Shunack manipulated them]]. However, as mentioned in DesignatedHero above and BrokenAesop on the main page, it can be hard to root for the forest or the GreenAesop when the forest is a sentient entity that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Ragna's alternative doesn't seem too bad, even if it's not perfect.

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** Ragna [[TheEmpire Ragna]] in general is meant to give a ScienceIsBad vibe, from their blood red armor to their HumongousMecha to their heavily industrialized, military society. However, while they are a militaristic empire, they don't seem to be expansionist or even that aggressive. Most of their technology is used to survive in the desert and not depend on the Forest's wims. Its soldiers often trade and hang out in Neutral City. While the movie is clever enough to not treat them as AlwaysChaoticEvil, we're still supposed to see them as villains who [[spoiler:eventually do a HeelFaceTurn when they see that Shunack manipulated them]]. However, as mentioned in DesignatedHero above and BrokenAesop on the main page, it can be hard to root for the forest or the GreenAesop when the forest is a sentient entity that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Ragna's alternative doesn't seem too bad, even if it's not perfect.
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** Ragna in general is meant to give a ScienceIsBad vibe, from their blood red armor to their HumongousMecha to their heavily industrialized, military society. However, while they are a militaristic empire, they don't seem to be expansionist or even that aggressive. Most of their technology is used to survive in the desert and not depend on the Forest's wims. Its soldiers often trade and hang out in Neutral City. While the movie is clever enough to not treat them as AlwaysChaoticEvil, we're still supposed to see them as villains who [[spoiler:eventually do a HeelFaceTurn when they see that Shunak manipulated them]]. However, as mentioned in DesignatedHero above and BrokenAesop on the main page, it can be hard to root for the forest or the GreenAesop when the forest is a sentient entity that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Ragna's alternative doesn't seem too bad, even if it's not perfect.

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** Ragna in general is meant to give a ScienceIsBad vibe, from their blood red armor to their HumongousMecha to their heavily industrialized, military society. However, while they are a militaristic empire, they don't seem to be expansionist or even that aggressive. Most of their technology is used to survive in the desert and not depend on the Forest's wims. Its soldiers often trade and hang out in Neutral City. While the movie is clever enough to not treat them as AlwaysChaoticEvil, we're still supposed to see them as villains who [[spoiler:eventually do a HeelFaceTurn when they see that Shunak Shunack manipulated them]]. However, as mentioned in DesignatedHero above and BrokenAesop on the main page, it can be hard to root for the forest or the GreenAesop when the forest is a sentient entity that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Ragna's alternative doesn't seem too bad, even if it's not perfect.
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** On the other side, we have a WellIntentionedExtremist scientist who, in his impatience, screwed the world. He tried living in the world as it became, and eventually decided it was absolutely unacceptable. So he intends to use the E.S.T.O.C. to destroy his creation which, as noted, is not exactly cooperative to those that don't flat-out obey its whims. Yes, this will be rather harmful to the civilization that exists now, but even the scientist who built the thing acknowledges that in a recording and still thought it was worth leaving the option. It should be noted however that he also plans to use his weapon to destroy Neutral City as well, a moment of[[KickTheDog dog-kicking]] that seemed to have been added to justify the heroes' decision to stop him.
** Ragna in general is meant to give a ScienceIsBad vibe. However, while they are a militaristic empire, they don't seem to be expansionist or even that aggressive. Most of their technology is used to survive in the desert and not depend on the Forest's wims. Its soldiers often trade and hang out in Neutral City. In the end, the empire turns out to be the BigBad's UnwittingPawn.

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** On the other side, we have a WellIntentionedExtremist scientist who, in his impatience, screwed the world. He tried living in the world as it became, and eventually decided it was absolutely unacceptable. So he intends to use the E.S.T.O.C. to destroy his creation which, as noted, is not exactly cooperative to those that don't flat-out obey its whims. Yes, this will be rather harmful to the civilization that exists now, but even the scientist who built the thing acknowledges that in a recording and still thought it was worth leaving the option. It should be noted however that he also plans to use his weapon to destroy Neutral City as well, a moment of[[KickTheDog of [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]] that seemed to have been added to justify the heroes' decision to stop him.
** Ragna in general is meant to give a ScienceIsBad vibe.vibe, from their blood red armor to their HumongousMecha to their heavily industrialized, military society. However, while they are a militaristic empire, they don't seem to be expansionist or even that aggressive. Most of their technology is used to survive in the desert and not depend on the Forest's wims. Its soldiers often trade and hang out in Neutral City. In While the end, movie is clever enough to not treat them as AlwaysChaoticEvil, we're still supposed to see them as villains who [[spoiler:eventually do a HeelFaceTurn when they see that Shunak manipulated them]]. However, as mentioned in DesignatedHero above and BrokenAesop on the empire turns out main page, it can be hard to be root for the BigBad's UnwittingPawn.forest or the GreenAesop when the forest is a sentient entity that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Ragna's alternative doesn't seem too bad, even if it's not perfect.

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* DesignatedVillain: On the other side, we have a WellIntentionedExtremist scientist who, in his impatience, screwed the world. He tried living in the world as it became, and eventually decided it was absolutely unacceptable. So he intends to use the E.S.T.O.C. to destroy his creation which, as noted, is not exactly cooperative to those that don't flat-out obey its whims. Yes, this will be rather harmful to the civilization that exists now, but even the scientist who built the thing acknowledges that in a recording and still thought it was worth leaving the option.

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* DesignatedVillain: DesignatedVillain:
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On the other side, we have a WellIntentionedExtremist scientist who, in his impatience, screwed the world. He tried living in the world as it became, and eventually decided it was absolutely unacceptable. So he intends to use the E.S.T.O.C. to destroy his creation which, as noted, is not exactly cooperative to those that don't flat-out obey its whims. Yes, this will be rather harmful to the civilization that exists now, but even the scientist who built the thing acknowledges that in a recording and still thought it was worth leaving the option. It should be noted however that he also plans to use his weapon to destroy Neutral City as well, a moment of[[KickTheDog dog-kicking]] that seemed to have been added to justify the heroes' decision to stop him.
** Ragna in general is meant to give a ScienceIsBad vibe. However, while they are a militaristic empire, they don't seem to be expansionist or even that aggressive. Most of their technology is used to survive in the desert and not depend on the Forest's wims. Its soldiers often trade and hang out in Neutral City. In the end, the empire turns out to be the BigBad's UnwittingPawn.
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* MartyStu: There is a strong case for Agito being one, one of the biggest bits of evidence being the above entry for BoringInvincibleHero - there is literally nothing that harms Agito. Except some sleeping pellets, but under the circumstances that's like throwing tranquilizer darts at a living nuclear bomb. It'll knock it out for a bit, but will it really do much?

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** [[spoiler:He wasn't ''dead''; he was merely a tree.]]
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Some people consider the movie's themesong "With Reflection" as this. At any rate, it's gorgeous.
** The full name is Chouwa Oto ~With Reflection~, and it's by KOKIA, a prominent name in anime music (the artist did a wonderful cover of Desperado, by TheEagles). [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dtrZXmfBQ Here's an obligator link to the original.]]
** Speaking of songs from the movie; the ending piece "Ai no Melody" (lit. "Melody of Love") is a beautiful, glorious mix of awesome which manages to be both a [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Crowning Music of Heartwarming]] ''and'' a TearJerker
* DesignatedHero / DesignatedVillain: Riddle me this. On one side, we have a scientist who, in his impatience, screwed the world. He tried living in the world as it became, and eventually decided it was absolutely unacceptable. So he goes to the girl who can fix it, and asks politely. On the other side, we have a genetically engineered plant that has attained sentience and mystic powers, and decided to massacre a few billion people and ravage human civilization for reasons it has never chosen to elaborate on, and then withholds key survival necessities (notably water) from the remainder at a whim. It sees a girl who has access to the equipment that can destroy it, and A: tries to kill her repeatedly, B: demands she be given over to it while withholding water. Who sounds like the bad guy here? It's pretty clear the scriptwriters disagree with me.
** Since the moon being partially destroyed and most of humanity being wiped out was Shunack's fault, however unintentionally, and since his little method of cleansing his guilt would have eventually wiped out the ''rest'' of humanity as well as the Forest, cheering for Agito becomes that much easier. Also, considering all the fuss about deforestation, pollution and climate change, portraying the destruction of forests as a good thing was probably best to be avoided.
** Furthermore, most people who "ask politely" do not do so while accompanied by a bunch of [[SpiderTank walking tanks]].
** This troper thought that the forest was just taking its long over due revenge over the humans who mistreated it for so long.
** Eh, except the forest explicitly came from the lunar terraforming experiments and not the result of any terrestrial forest, so it's been antagonistic to humans since its creation.
** I think the best explanation is that, The Forest is not a malicious entity. It left the moon to grow, and Earth was the closest source of water there was. So, it beelined there as fast as possible before it would die in space. Unfortunately, their arrival at speed was basically like a worldwide meteor strike. In the intervening years, it seems, The Forest has either Hoarded or Safeguarded the last of the water in a measured attempt to stay alive. It is not heartless, otherwise it would have killed all the humans long ago. The forest is trying to balance the needs of the humans with itself, and the Forest needs a great deal more water. Whether the Forest is holding the water for it's own survival, or it is trying to reseed the Earth is another matter that isn't explored in the film.
** Regardless of whether or not The Forest was '''[[GaiasVengeance Gaia's Vengeance]]''', as far as we know, The Forest doesn't really do anything but create an area that humans cannot live in and actively does harm to them. Technically speaking, the only reason anyone really cooperates, barring a few Forest sympathizers, is because they have to. Which leads me to my point, if The Forest doesn't do anything but be a detriment why is it's continued existence so important? On another note, some of the things the "villain" does are pretty stupid/thoughtless which leads to me thinking that the writers had to shoehorn in stuff like that to justify making Shunach the antagonist
** The Forest by now is an intelligent being. Based on the behavior of Ragna it has no reason to trust humans. Why should it trust that they will not destroy it if given the chance? At worst this is a battle between which intelligent lifeform dominates the planet. The Forest is trying to maintain a co-existence where both humans and the Forest can survive, but it will not risk its own survival by placing its faith in a race that has proven it cannot be trusted or that would tolerate another species not bowing to it.

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** [[spoiler:He wasn't ''dead''; he was merely a tree.]]
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Some people consider the movie's themesong theme song "With Reflection" as this. At any rate, it's gorgeous.
** The full name is Chouwa Oto ~With Reflection~, and it's by KOKIA, a prominent name in anime music (the artist did a wonderful cover of Desperado, by TheEagles). [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_dtrZXmfBQ Here's an obligator obligatory link to the original.]]
** Speaking of songs from the movie; the ending piece "Ai no Melody" (lit. "Melody of Love") is a beautiful, glorious mix of awesome which manages to be both a [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Crowning Music of Heartwarming]] ''and'' a TearJerker
TearJerker.
* DesignatedHero / DesignatedHero: We're supposedly supposed to root for the Forest in this, but it's pretty hard to do that when the Forest is hostile to most living things and actively withholds water from the humans to get what it wants. That's on top of the fact that it took over the planet and collapsed civilization, forcing those that remain to either work with it or become desert dwellers.
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DesignatedVillain: Riddle me this. On one the other side, we have a WellIntentionedExtremist scientist who, in his impatience, screwed the world. He tried living in the world as it became, and eventually decided it was absolutely unacceptable. So he goes intends to use the E.S.T.O.C. to destroy his creation which, as noted, is not exactly cooperative to those that don't flat-out obey its whims. Yes, this will be rather harmful to the girl who can fix it, and asks politely. On the other side, we have a genetically engineered plant that has attained sentience and mystic powers, and decided to massacre a few billion people and ravage human civilization for reasons it has never chosen to elaborate on, and then withholds key survival necessities (notably water) from the remainder at a whim. It sees a girl who has access to the equipment that can destroy it, and A: tries to kill her repeatedly, B: demands she be given over to it while withholding water. Who sounds like exists now, but even the bad guy here? It's pretty clear scientist who built the scriptwriters disagree with me.
** Since the moon being partially destroyed and most of humanity being wiped out was Shunack's fault, however unintentionally, and since his little method of cleansing his guilt would have eventually wiped out the ''rest'' of humanity as well as the Forest, cheering for Agito becomes that much easier. Also, considering all the fuss about deforestation, pollution and climate change, portraying the destruction of forests as a good
thing was probably best to be avoided.
** Furthermore, most people who "ask politely" do not do so while accompanied by
acknowledges that in a bunch of [[SpiderTank walking tanks]].
** This troper
recording and still thought that it was worth leaving the forest was just taking its long over due revenge over the humans who mistreated it for so long.
** Eh, except the forest explicitly came from the lunar terraforming experiments and not the result of any terrestrial forest, so it's been antagonistic to humans since its creation.
** I think the best explanation is that, The Forest is not a malicious entity. It left the moon to grow, and Earth was the closest source of water there was. So, it beelined there as fast as possible before it would die in space. Unfortunately, their arrival at speed was basically like a worldwide meteor strike. In the intervening years, it seems, The Forest has either Hoarded or Safeguarded the last of the water in a measured attempt to stay alive. It is not heartless, otherwise it would have killed all the humans long ago. The forest is trying to balance the needs of the humans with itself, and the Forest needs a great deal more water. Whether the Forest is holding the water for it's own survival, or it is trying to reseed the Earth is another matter that isn't explored in the film.
** Regardless of whether or not The Forest was '''[[GaiasVengeance Gaia's Vengeance]]''', as far as we know, The Forest doesn't really do anything but create an area that humans cannot live in and actively does harm to them. Technically speaking, the only reason anyone really cooperates, barring a few Forest sympathizers, is because they have to. Which leads me to my point, if The Forest doesn't do anything but be a detriment why is it's continued existence so important? On another note, some of the things the "villain" does are pretty stupid/thoughtless which leads to me thinking that the writers had to shoehorn in stuff like that to justify making Shunach the antagonist
** The Forest by now is an intelligent being. Based on the behavior of Ragna it has no reason to trust humans. Why should it trust that they will not destroy it if given the chance? At worst this is a battle between which intelligent lifeform dominates the planet. The Forest is trying to maintain a co-existence where both humans and the Forest can survive, but it will not risk its own survival by placing its faith in a race that has proven it cannot be trusted or that would tolerate another species not bowing to it.
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** Speaking of songs from the movie; the ending piece "Ai no Melody" (lit. "Melody of Love") is a beautiful, glorious mix of awesome which manages to be both a [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Crowning Music of Heartwarming]] ''and'' a TearJerker
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** The Forest by now is an intelligent being. Based on the behavior of Ragna it has no reason to trust humans. Why should it trust that they will not destroy it if given the chance? At worst this is a battle between which intelligent lifeform dominates the planet. The Forest is trying to maintain a co-existence where both humans and the Forest can survive, but it will not risk its own survival by placing its faith in a race that has proven it cannot be trusted or that would tolerate another species not bowing to it.
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* ScienceIsBad: Generally seems to be the case. [[spoiler:Genetic tampering led to plants destroying the world and the creation of volcanic superweapons. Toola discarding her future necklace phone at the end is portrayed as a good thing. Then again the wise plants are indicated to be good, and they are the product of science too.]]
** Any "technology is bad" message is undermined by the fact that Neutral City citizens are reliant on mining equipment and use old world supplies and Ragna can only survive in the desert thanks to water-extraction technology, suggesting there are legitimate uses of technology. Makes you wonder if [[spoiler: Toola throwing away her communicator was the best idea.]]
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* BoringInvincibleHero: [[spoiler:Agito with superpowers finds literally nothing that can actually threaten him.]]
* BrokenAesop: [[spoiler:Remember, we have to live in ''harmony'' with the creepy sentient forest that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Trying to undo humanity's mistake in creating killer vine-dragon-things is ''bad.'']]
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** Regardless of whether or not The Forest was '''[[GaiasVengeance Gaia's Vengeance]]''', as far as we know, The Forest doesn't really do anything but create an area that humans cannot live in and actively does harm to them. Technically speaking, the only reason anyone really cooperates, barring a few Forest sympathizers, is because they have to. Which leads me to my point, if The Forest doesn't do anything but be a detriment why is it's continued existence so important? On another note, some of the things the "villain" does are pretty stupid/thoughtless which leads to me thinking that the writers had to shoehorn in stuff like that to justify making Shunach the antagonist
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** I think the best explanation is that, The Forest is not a malicious entity. It left the moon to grow, and Earth was the closest source of water there was. So, it beelined there as fast as possible before it would die in space. Unfortunately, their arrival at speed was basically like a worldwide meteor strike. In the intervening years, it seems, The Forest has either Hoarded or Safeguarded the last of the water in a measured attempt to reseed the Earth. It is not heartless, otherwise it would have killed all the humans centuries ago. The forest is trying to balance the needs of the humans with the need to reverse the desert that Earth has become.

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** I think the best explanation is that, The Forest is not a malicious entity. It left the moon to grow, and Earth was the closest source of water there was. So, it beelined there as fast as possible before it would die in space. Unfortunately, their arrival at speed was basically like a worldwide meteor strike. In the intervening years, it seems, The Forest has either Hoarded or Safeguarded the last of the water in a measured attempt to reseed the Earth. stay alive. It is not heartless, otherwise it would have killed all the humans centuries long ago. The forest is trying to balance the needs of the humans with itself, and the need to reverse Forest needs a great deal more water. Whether the desert that Forest is holding the water for it's own survival, or it is trying to reseed the Earth has become.is another matter that isn't explored in the film.
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** I think the best explanation is that, The Forest is not a malicious entity. It left the moon to grow, and Earth was the closest source of water there was. So, it beelined there as fast as possible before it would die in space. Unfortunately, their arrival at speed was basically like a worldwide meteor strike. In the intervening years, it seems, The Forest has either Hoarded or Safeguarded the last of the water in a measured attempt to reseed the Earth. It is not heartless, otherwise it would have killed all the humans centuries ago. The forest is trying to balance the needs of the humans with the need to reverse the desert that Earth has become.
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* MartyStu: There is a strong case for Agito being one.one, one of the biggest bits of evidence being the above entry for BoringInvincibleHero - there is literally nothing that harms Agito. Except some sleeping pellets, but under the circumstances that's like throwing tranquilizer darts at a living nuclear bomb. It'll knock it out for a bit, but will it really do much?
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* BrokenAesop: [[spoiler:Remember, we have to live in ''harmony'' with the creepy sentient forest that cuts off our water supply if we don't bow to its wishes. Trying to undo humanity's mistake in creating killer vine-dragon-things is ''bad.'']]



** Eh, except the forest explicitly came from the lunar terraforming experiments and not the result fo any terrestrial forest, so it's been antagonistic to humans since its creation.

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* BoringInvincibleHero: [[spoiler:Agito with superpowers finds literally nothing that can actually threaten him.]]



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* FetishFuel: This troper was [[IfYouKnowWhatIMean fascinated]] by the twin forest spirits.
** All the [[WhiteHairedPrettyBoy White Haired Pretty Boys]].
** Toola, in a soaking-wet hospital gown MagicSkirt in her first appearance. Especially if you look at it from Agiko's point of view, which was behind or under her during most of the scene.
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* MarySue: There is a strong case for Agito being one.

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* MarySue: MartyStu: There is a strong case for Agito being one.

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