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** Season 5B took place primarily in the Underworld which would've been a great time to bring back Graham one the show's first major characters to be KilledOffForReal.
17th Sep '16 5:08:33 PM Apocrypha
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* MoralEventHorizon: Oddly enough, the show seems to operate under the premise that there is no MoralEventHorizon and that, while redemption is no cakewalk, no one is "irredeemably evil". Both Regina and Rumplestiltskin have tried to redeem themselves with [[HeelFaceDoorSlam varying degrees]] [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor of success.]] However, fans still insist on making their own judgements:
** '''Cora''': If you didn't already consider Cora to have crossed the MoralEventHorizon with her [[spoiler:constant emotional and physical abuse of her own daughter, then killing Daniel in cold blood and forcing her to marry the King probably would do the trick.]]
** '''Greg and Tamara''':
*** [[spoiler: Individually, Tamara's is either killing August in "Selfless, Brave and True" or shooting Neal in "Second Star to the Right", and Greg's is his ColdBloodedTorture of Regina in the same episode. Together, they probably cross it for many by deciding to wipe out Storybrooke and everyone in it.]]
** '''Peter Pan''' is on the other side of it the first time we hear about him, how he kidnaps little boys from their families and takes them in Neverland, never permitting them to leave. It's said that almost every night is filled with the cries of children who miss their families and want to go home. This ''in addition'' [[spoiler: to running a ''very'' long plan being TheManBehindTheMan on "the Home Office", enslaving the Darlings, ''and'' sacrificing his son for a return chance at youth and unlimited power.]]
** '''Others''':
*** The original Prince James and Jacqueline's callous genocide of the giants in "Tiny". Overlaps with King George, as he ordered it.
*** Jiminy's parents' finding out about the curse he was desperately going to hit them with, then taking it and ''intentionally'' using it on Gepetto's parents to permanently turn them into puppets even though they had no reason to do so, all just to KickTheDog.
** '''Regina'''. It's ''very'', ''very'' [[VillainBall hard to pick]] just [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat one]], and it's ''very'', ''very'' hard to agree on one, but most fans definitely think she crossed it while watching Season 1. After watching Season 2 (particularly after 2x02 and 2x05), [[BrokenBase they can hardly reach any consensus at all]].
*** Her treatment of Henry: trying to push him into thinking that the curse wasn't real and thus making him believe that he was crazy (though his therapist and her both being very cautious ''not to use that terminology'', she did trick Emma into using it in order to drive her away from her son, but the deleted scenes reveal that she was kind of surprised by how attached to her he already was), all in order to protect herself/the curse. Then trying to kill members of Henry's family--on multiple occasions--sometimes not even checking whether he was here and therefore doing it right in front of him. Then trying to put him under a love curse because she remains absolutely sure that having her loving him is the best thing that can happen to him and refuses to confront her flaws. Also, some fans consider Regina telling Henry about her plan to [[spoiler: destroy Storybrooke, kill everyone living there, and kidnap Henry back to FTL]], then erasing his memory of the conversation, one as well.
*** Then, it's made clear that though she clearly has no qualms about emotionally/mentally scarring the son she claims to love for life, unlike other villainous abusive parents on the show, she ''always genuinely believes in the excuses she finds to keep him around'' and cannot understand Henry's reactions. Trying to become the mother she always wanted to have turned her into a KnightTemplarParent, and when she realizes this after countless traumas caused by her missing the significance of his relationship with his biological mother, it takes her a very traumatic scene reminding her of her own mother to make her decide to turn herself around... a heartfelt resolution that gets thrown by the window the second her abandonment issues are resolved and her loneliness reawakened by her mother's semi-redemption and death.
*** The Queen killing her own father, explicitly the one thing she loved more than anything else. Though it is less of one for her and more of one for other characters if you were willing to accept the SympatheticMurderBackstory on the death of her father ([[spoiler:he watched her be physically and emotionally abused by her mother for years]]). Also, she feels enormous remorse about it.
*** Alternatively, her [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil repeated rape]] and later the murder of [[spoiler:Graham]] certainly qualifies. Graham was an amnesiac whose memory she had rewritten so that he would stay with her, and he had apparently felt something was wrong since a long time. This is confirmed in ''Welcome to Storybrooke'', where everyone's personalities were essentially chosen by Regina and many fans thought Graham clearly had no choice ''whatsoever''. Regina could even use his heart to direct him, like a puppet. It stays to be confirmed whether Regina really knew what she was doing or not, as the writers and actress's statements make it look as if Adam and Edie [[ObliviouslyEvil and she by extension thought of it as of a real relationship]], [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale but it definitely wasn't]].
*** Even if Leopold was a neglectful bore of a husband who saw her mother's acceptance of his proposal as a valid answer when she was still a teenager, even if he knew that he would never make her happy, and expected her to stay faithful to him and miserable for all the decades of the duration of the marriage, even if he may have planned to kill her potential lover, was it ''really'' necessary to pull a WoundedGazelleGambit on the yet innocent Genie smitten with her, get him to [[MurderTheHypotenuse kill Leopold]] for her, and then let the Genie plunge into eternal servitude as her magic mirror? Mostly when watching the consequence in 1x07 and Snow's reaction. ''You could have just bribed a guard!''
*** And if you were wiling to accept even ''that'' possibility and still forgive her, then the revelation [[spoiler:that she's kept Belle (who, unlike Snow White or the Huntsman, never crossed her or did her any harm at all) shut away in a mental ward for twenty eight years, presumably either to keep her quiet or as some sort of bargaining chip against Mr. Gold]] might just do it. [[spoiler: Although then again, Regina just shows a CycleOfVengeance mindset (taking leverage material to deal with what she knows, is almost evil incarnate but with very human qualities such as a fondness for Belle, and nearly omnipotent), while Rumple already demonstrated his capacity to screw her life over more than needed at that point in the chronology. Some fans tend to too easily dismiss it as a sort of Karmic Retribution for Rumple and NoSympathy towards Belle.]]. Regardless of how much Regina deserves pity rather than scorn, the point remains that she deliberately hurt an innocent victim (Belle), in cool blood, which contributes into making her NotSoDifferent with Rumple, no matter how much this displeases fans trying to scapegoat him for the event.
*** All the murders [[spoiler:and the later kidnapping]] can be argued to [[PragmaticVillainy acceptable losses to further her plans]]. But [[spoiler:sending defenseless CHILD after CHILD into a cannibal witch's house to retrieve the poisoned apple crosses it. She's shown she could have taken care of the Blind Witch herself (via mirrors and fireballs), even though that would have costed her her revenge, making her look worse when she sends Hansel and Gretel in. Without remorse or hesitation she sent over a DOZEN kids to certain doom just to get a MacGuffin just to screw over ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON.]]
*** [[spoiler:She was involved in Kathryn's disappearance and attempted to commit a murder. She then uses her supposed friend's death to screw over someone who's already miserable, and for kicks she also makes Sidney, who's hopelessly in love with her, confess to the crime.]]
*** What she did to Jefferson; [[spoiler:deliberately screwing him over so that she could get her father back (who she'll kill later anyway, rendering the whole Wonderland trip meaningless) and then hypocritically shooting his words 'You don't leave family' back at him, before leaving him behind to be separated from his daughter forever - as well as from his head, if only for a while. BITCH. Though she gets a SympatheticMurderBackstory-ish storyline AGAIN, since, before his daughter was even born, Jefferson was TheHedonist and helped drive her insane in exchange from some material help from Rumplestiltskin.]]
*** Regina [[spoiler:trying to get Kurt and Owen to stay in Storybrooke]] and, when that didn't work, [[spoiler:chasing them down like criminals, having Kurt arrested and thus depriving Owen of his father]]. Who cares if she cried in remorse? That was ''dreadful''. To be fair, she was genuinely remorseful over what she did when she sees Owen crying for his father and she learned her lesson in the present time, as evidenced by [[spoiler: destroying the love curse rather than forcing Henry to be her perfect, loving son]], but still, her selfish actions back then have now put ''everyone'' in Storybrooke in jeopardy in the present day, as [[spoiler: Owen is back and out to prove that magic exists to the whole world.]][[spoiler: (Oh, and she killed Kurt as well.)]]
*** [[MindRape Twisting Belle's memories and personality]] into a hard-partying DarkChick. Did Belle do anything to Regina? Nope. It's all because Regina doesn't have the guts or power to face Rumplestiltskin directly, so she'll attack him through the innocent girl serving as his MoralityChain who did nothing more than support him and accidentally help framing her, in a dark mirrored version of what he did to Prince Henry.
*** [[spoiler: In "The Evil Queen", she has a village destroyed and all its inhabitants slaughtered back in the Enchanted Forest. And even though she looks as if she just realizes what she asked when she finds them before the apple incident, in the present, she's planning on doing the same to Storybrooke and all the people in it, and ''mind-wipes Henry'' of this plan so that he won't try to stop her. This also ends up directly enabling Tamara and Greg's MoralEventHorizon of doing the same thing, making Regina doubly guilty.]]
*** She [[spoiler: massacred Percival's village when he was a boy, burning it to the ground, smiling at him as she did so.]]
** '''Rumplestiltskin'''. Like for Regina, there is no fan consensus on whether or not he is redeemable.
*** [[spoiler:Creating the damn curse to start with may qualify. While wanting to find his son is a sympathetic FreudianExcuse, ruining the lives of all around him to do so is just heinous, and even more when you realize there were other ways in 2x04 and he used the curse because it allowed him to keep his powers]].
*** What makes all this even worse is that, when [[spoiler: his son returns]], he is happy spending his time with Belle. He doesn't visit him, try to repair the damage he caused or learn more about his grandson. To be fair, he has been shown spending a lot of time watching his son. Given how things played out in "Manhattan", maybe Gold doesn't know how to talk to his son.
*** Later, encouraging Regina to [[spoiler: kill her own father]]. He starts by grasping her throat as if he was going to strangle her, then giggles through his whole rant, probably rejoicing because [[spoiler: poor Henry ended up with the woman he loved in the past]].
*** In ''The Price Of Gold'', killing an innocent, benevolent woman whose job is to make desperate people happy ''without'' hidden side-consequences. This means he may have put thousands of {{Happy Ending}}s into jeopardy, when he could have just ''locked her somewhere''. Then, manipulating Ashley and trying to insult the memory of a beloved character whom, on a meta-level, he cheated of her usual importance.
*** What Rumplestiltskin did to [[spoiler:[[CorruptTheCutie Regina]], as shown in "We Are Both" and onward. While Cora started Regina down the road to darkness, Rumple made damn sure she continued down it, but [[{{Hypocrite}} he always insisted that the choice was hers, and that it was her fault, not his]]. Made worse by the fact that this may still be RevengeByProxy on Cora.]]
*** Torturing Robin Hood. He hurts him and heals him, just because he feels some perverse satisfaction in punishing others for challenging a power they can't handle. Made better by letting Robin Hood go after Rumple found out Robin Hood wanted the magic wand to save his pregnant wife. Belle evens [[LampshadeHanging calls him out]] on it.
*** Later on, trying to harm Henry, [[spoiler: his son's son]], without concern for Neal's happiness, or any demonstration of remorse, just out of self-preservation. [[spoiler: Made better by his rescue attempt afterwards.]]
*** To start with a disagreeable pattern, [[spoiler:ripping out Milah's heart]], whatever your opinion on whether [[spoiler:she had a right to seek her own happiness or should have stayed with a family who loved her]]. Though that one can also come across as a crime of passion and he really only begins to lose control when he calls her out for abandoning Bae.
*** Trapping the defenseless apprentice into the hat. Also, using Hook, who wanted to be removed of his hand that compels him to regress to his old ways, to do this and blackmails him with it if he ever reveals the truth to Belle about switching the real dagger with the fake dagger and [[KickTheSonOfABitch tells Hook that the hand wasn't cursed at all and that he did them by himself]], calling it his true nature. To be fair, Hook brought that on himself by trying to blackmail him in the first place.
*** Using Emma's trust to [[spoiler:get her to be sucked inside the hat so that he can receive her powers was really pricky. Even when she's the mother of one of the two people he cares about, he still doesn't relent. Double points for chaining Hook to a fence so that he's helpless to stop it. Trying to kill Hook by crushing his heart [[KickTheDog in front]] [[ForcedToWatch of Emma]]. Although, the severity of these are greatly lessened when it's revealed that the darkness had all but consumed him at this point.]]
*** He doesn't have that excuse for what he pulls off during the Season 5A finale, however. [[spoiler: He attempts to trick Dark One Emma into killing herself with Excalibur under the belief that it would destroy the darkness. He didn't plan on having Hook, his greatest enemy, sacrifice himself instead, but Rumple still got the exact result he wanted - the darkness is redirected to his newly-made dagger and thus back inside of him so that he's the Dark One again, making Hook's HeroicSacrifice entirely meaningless and once ''again'' manipulating the trust Belle has in him.]] The kicker? Rumple came up with this plan '''without the darkness inside of him'''. Even when he isn't the Dark One, he's still hopelessly addicted to power and prone to doing bad things in order to get it. By his own admittance, "it's the man he is."
*** What he does to [[spoiler:Milah]] in the Underworld could be this, though he was talked into it by Hades. Notably, it might be an in-universe case ''for Rumple'', as the look on his face after he does it shows that even ''he'' is upset and disgusted at himself for sinking so low.
** '''King George''':
*** He ''dove'' over this line in "Child Of The Moon" by [[spoiler:killing a man in cold blood, framing his murder on the innocent (and already guilt-ridden) Ruby, almost killing her, and then destroying the Mad Hatter's hat (which, in Storybrooke, is the only known way to get Emma and Snow back)]], all in the name of a grudge on ''[[RevengeByProxy Charming]]'', not even any of the people that he screwed over during the episode!
*** Imprisoning Charming and attempting to have him executed just because he didn't go along with his ArrangedMarriage, and then cursing Snow to a childless life. EvilIsPetty, indeed. Oh, and he [[spoiler:killed his mother.]]
** '''Hook'''
*** [[spoiler:Attempting to kill Belle, simply because she was of no use to him. Also then later shooting Belle and letting her fall over the Storybrooke line so she'd (temporarily, thankfully) lose her memories. Though by then it's become apparent Hook is more interested in making Rumple miserable and some kind of inverted SuicideByCop, at least since he can't kill him.]]
*** A lot of people were put off by Hook [[spoiler:stealing Aurora's heart [[KickTheDog while she was unconscious]]. Some viewers ''started'' shipping the two because of that scene. Some consider this a subversion, as Hook also ends up [[PetTheDog saving her heart]] when it's about to be lost forever.]]
*** Helping to trap Emma, Snow, Aurora and Mulan in a cage that was meant to hold the Dark One, and then calling Emma "dried up and useless" before leaving them to death by exposure.
*** [[spoiler:Selling out Bae, the son of the woman he loved, to the Lost Boys. The tragic thing about this one is that they were genuinely bonding. Hook started out using him for information to kill Rumple, but they bonded over being abandoned and almost became a family. It all went to hell when Bae found out that Milah left his family for Hook and refused to be on the ship any longer. Rather than let him go, Hook sells Bae for his own safety and that of his crew. Though, [[MyGreatestFailure he does genuinely regret this]] and influenced his decision to not flee a doomed Storybrooke in the second season finale and help the good guys save Henry, Bae's own son, in Neverland.]]. Oddly, it didn't seem to influence his actions much the next half season.
*** Trying to send [[spoiler:the entire main cast sans Emma (who is also a Dark One at the time) to the Underworld just so that he can fulfill his revenge on just ONE of them - Rumplestiltskin, not caring about Emma's own feelings because he is angry at her for turning him dark against his will. Also him having murdered Merlin in order to cast the Dark Curse, cursing Storybrooke in order to bring the Dark Ones there.]]
*** [[spoiler: Murdering his father and abandoning his half-brother.]]
** '''Zelena''' ([[Literature/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz Wicked Witch of the West]])
*** [[spoiler: Turning the Wizard of Oz into her first Flying Monkey, though it was borderline KickTheSonOfABitch. Sending him to "[[ShapeshiftingLover divert]]" Emma (though said monkey ''is'' originally human, neither of them seems to have had full knowledge of their actions, paralleling Graham.)]]
*** [[spoiler: Caging an obviously insane and tortured Rumple, and forcing Rumple to attack Belle using the dagger, after giving her a Hope Spot]].
*** [[spoiler: The above is topped later when she forces him to threaten Robin Hood's son, a CHILD.]]
*** [[spoiler: Setting up Baelfire to be killed, and then torturing Rumple and Emma with it]].
*** [[spoiler: Planning to unmake all of reality and the timeline so Cora will keep her, proving to be just as ruthless as her mother in her devotion to attaining her goals]].
*** [[spoiler: And, to top the list, kidnapping a newborn baby to use in her time-travel spell, which may or may not have killed it.]]
*** [[spoiler: In season 4, it is revealed that she killed an unconscious Marian in order to impersonate her and ruin Regina's happiness.]]
*** [[spoiler: She continued the pretense while Robin had sex with her under the belief that she was Marian, meaning that she committed [[http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/9/1/s261 rape by fraud]], possibly many times.]]
** '''Literature/TheSnowQueen'''
*** Nothing puts you over the edge faster than [[spoiler: corrupting your nieces, turning one against the other and even getting the one you liked better trapped for at least 29 years]].
*** And then there's her freezing the heart of [[spoiler: what she thinks is]] an innocent woman in order to frame your niece for it. I mean, geesh!
*** Cursing the entire town (and innocent people who have nothing to do with her) with the Shattered Spell curse, although to be fair, [[spoiler: she ends up having a HeelRealization and [[RedemptionEqualsLife sacrifices her life to end the curse]] before it kills anyone.]]
** '''Snow and Charming'''
*** The episode "Best Laid Plans" details ''exactly'' what they did to Maleficent's baby: [[spoiler:turned it into TheAntichrist and sent it to another dimension, with the "justification" [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman that it wasn't human]] and was just going to be evil because its mom was.]] However, they were unaware that they'd targeted an actual human baby and not an AlwaysChaoticEvil creature, as the baby was inside a dragon's egg, and were [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified themselves when they realized just what they'd done]]. They'd also done everything solely to protect their daughter, so while their actions were terrible, how unforgivable they were is up for the viewer to decide.
** '''The Author'''
*** He arguably goes over it in his ''first appearance'': [[spoiler:manipulating the characters he's supposed to protect and putting them through absolute hell, because it makes "[[LackOfEmpathy a better story]]". He is ''directly responsible'' for ''everything'' everyone suffers.]]
*** He clearly and undeniably crosses it in the Season 4 finale when he [[spoiler: writes a new story that traps everyone except Henry in an alternate world where heroes are villains and villains are heroes and then sells the story as a book in our world, making him a best-selling author.]] You read that correctly: He screwed with everyone's lives so he could sell a book. Oh, and the reason why he has it out for Charming and Snow in particular? Not because they slighted him personally or did something terrible to him, but because they remind him of his former boss, successful and happy while he has nothing. He messed with them out of completely unjustified envy.
*** [[UpToEleven AND THEN]] once he and Henry [[spoiler: end up in the AU-verse]] he [[WouldHurtAChild knocks him out]] and leaves him as ogre-bait. When he goes back later he is [[CrossesTheLineTwice pleading for Henry to be dead]].
** '''Cruella De Vil and Ursula'''
*** Cruella serially murders [[spoiler:her father, her two stepfathers and her mother]].
*** She and Ursula [[spoiler:abandon Lily as a baby and use the magic egg to stay youthful]].
** [[spoiler: '''Arthur''']]
*** Forcing [[spoiler:his squire]] to take the poison of Agrabahn vipers to keep from being forced to confess that he had stolen the contents of the reliquary at ''his'' behest, simply to manufacture an adventure and a villain to defeat so as to earn the trust of the main characters. All because he believes anything is justified in the name of protecting Camelot and its people, getting them home, and stopping the Dark One. After this, getting after Regina and the others for lying about her identity and Emma's seems rather hollow.
*** As if that isn't bad enough, the very next episode has him dive completely across it. [[spoiler:Pretending the mushroom was lost to keep them from contacting Merlin, while skeevy, isn't truly deplorable since at this point we don't know what happened between them, what Arthur may be concealing, or how Merlin and his prophecies shaped him. But in "The Broken Kingdom" we learn that not only did he become so obsessed with finding the dagger and reforging Excalibur so he could fulfill the prophecy and properly rule a rebuilt Camelot that he ignored and neglected Guinevere, thus driving her into Lancelot's arms, but when she confessed the truth to him rather than use the Sands of Avalon on Excalibur, he used them on ''her''. With the result that she now is under MindControl to believe herself his loving and obedient wife who must support him in all things, especially the quest for the dagger. He also fashioned an illusion of a restored Camelot to fool the people, and in the present compelled her to cruelly spurn Lancelot and use the Sands on Snow and Charming, putting them under his control, too. This last is undone in the very next episode, but Guinevere remains his unknowing slave. This horrible act puts him right in the same camp as Regina with Graham and Zelena with Robin.]] Is it any wonder Merlin is disgusted when he is freed from the tree?
** '''Hades''': It's hard to pin down what his worst acts are, but among the contenders:
*** Forcing Gold to [[spoiler:cast Milah into the River of Lost Souls]] to keep from being killed and/or ever able to return to Belle.
*** Gaining control of the contract for Gold's second-born, thus forcing him to be his servant (i.e. threatening both Belle and her unborn baby).
*** Manipulating Liam into betraying all his sailors just to obtain the Eye of the Storm so he and Killian can join the Royal Navy.
*** Manipulating Belle into indirectly causing Gaston to fall in the River of Lost Souls, and then not honoring the deal to tear up the contract because she did the deed rather than Gold.
*** Lying to Emma and Killian about the ambrosia tree, and then giving Cruella and the Blind Witch the power to trap the others in the library, all to keep them from making it back through the portal so he and Zelena could rule Storybrooke.
*** But probably above all, manipulating Zelena into helping him take over Storybrooke and destroy the heroes (even while he apparently really did love her), culminating in using the Olympian Crystal to [[spoiler:kill Robin Hood]]. The fact his death immediately follows the latter would seem to make this his ultimate evil act, except it was actually as payback for the manipulation of Zelena.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Oddly enough, the show seems to operate under the premise that there is no MoralEventHorizon and that, while redemption is no cakewalk, no one is "irredeemably evil". Both Regina and Rumplestiltskin have tried to redeem themselves with [[HeelFaceDoorSlam varying degrees]] [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor of success.]] However, fans still insist on making their Now has [[MoralEventHorizon/OnceUponATime its own judgements:
** '''Cora''': If you didn't already consider Cora to have crossed the MoralEventHorizon with her [[spoiler:constant emotional and physical abuse of her own daughter, then killing Daniel in cold blood and forcing her to marry the King probably would do the trick.]]
** '''Greg and Tamara''':
*** [[spoiler: Individually, Tamara's is either killing August in "Selfless, Brave and True" or shooting Neal in "Second Star to the Right", and Greg's is his ColdBloodedTorture of Regina in the same episode. Together, they probably cross it for many by deciding to wipe out Storybrooke and everyone in it.]]
** '''Peter Pan''' is on the other side of it the first time we hear about him, how he kidnaps little boys from their families and takes them in Neverland, never permitting them to leave. It's said that almost every night is filled with the cries of children who miss their families and want to go home. This ''in addition'' [[spoiler: to running a ''very'' long plan being TheManBehindTheMan on "the Home Office", enslaving the Darlings, ''and'' sacrificing his son for a return chance at youth and unlimited power.]]
** '''Others''':
*** The original Prince James and Jacqueline's callous genocide of the giants in "Tiny". Overlaps with King George, as he ordered it.
*** Jiminy's parents' finding out about the curse he was desperately going to hit them with, then taking it and ''intentionally'' using it on Gepetto's parents to permanently turn them into puppets even though they had no reason to do so, all just to KickTheDog.
** '''Regina'''. It's ''very'', ''very'' [[VillainBall hard to pick]] just [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat one]], and it's ''very'', ''very'' hard to agree on one, but most fans definitely think she crossed it while watching Season 1. After watching Season 2 (particularly after 2x02 and 2x05), [[BrokenBase they can hardly reach any consensus at all]].
*** Her treatment of Henry: trying to push him into thinking that the curse wasn't real and thus making him believe that he was crazy (though his therapist and her both being very cautious ''not to use that terminology'', she did trick Emma into using it in order to drive her away from her son, but the deleted scenes reveal that she was kind of surprised by how attached to her he already was), all in order to protect herself/the curse. Then trying to kill members of Henry's family--on multiple occasions--sometimes not even checking whether he was here and therefore doing it right in front of him. Then trying to put him under a love curse because she remains absolutely sure that having her loving him is the best thing that can happen to him and refuses to confront her flaws. Also, some fans consider Regina telling Henry about her plan to [[spoiler: destroy Storybrooke, kill everyone living there, and kidnap Henry back to FTL]], then erasing his memory of the conversation, one as well.
*** Then, it's made clear that though she clearly has no qualms about emotionally/mentally scarring the son she claims to love for life, unlike other villainous abusive parents on the show, she ''always genuinely believes in the excuses she finds to keep him around'' and cannot understand Henry's reactions. Trying to become the mother she always wanted to have turned her into a KnightTemplarParent, and when she realizes this after countless traumas caused by her missing the significance of his relationship with his biological mother, it takes her a very traumatic scene reminding her of her own mother to make her decide to turn herself around... a heartfelt resolution that gets thrown by the window the second her abandonment issues are resolved and her loneliness reawakened by her mother's semi-redemption and death.
*** The Queen killing her own father, explicitly the one thing she loved more than anything else. Though it is less of one for her and more of one for other characters if you were willing to accept the SympatheticMurderBackstory on the death of her father ([[spoiler:he watched her be physically and emotionally abused by her mother for years]]). Also, she feels enormous remorse about it.
*** Alternatively, her [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil repeated rape]] and later the murder of [[spoiler:Graham]] certainly qualifies. Graham was an amnesiac whose memory she had rewritten so that he would stay with her, and he had apparently felt something was wrong since a long time. This is confirmed in ''Welcome to Storybrooke'', where everyone's personalities were essentially chosen by Regina and many fans thought Graham clearly had no choice ''whatsoever''. Regina could even use his heart to direct him, like a puppet. It stays to be confirmed whether Regina really knew what she was doing or not, as the writers and actress's statements make it look as if Adam and Edie [[ObliviouslyEvil and she by extension thought of it as of a real relationship]], [[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale but it definitely wasn't]].
*** Even if Leopold was a neglectful bore of a husband who saw her mother's acceptance of his proposal as a valid answer when she was still a teenager, even if he knew that he would never make her happy, and expected her to stay faithful to him and miserable for all the decades of the duration of the marriage, even if he may have planned to kill her potential lover, was it ''really'' necessary to pull a WoundedGazelleGambit on the yet innocent Genie smitten with her, get him to [[MurderTheHypotenuse kill Leopold]] for her, and then let the Genie plunge into eternal servitude as her magic mirror? Mostly when watching the consequence in 1x07 and Snow's reaction. ''You could have just bribed a guard!''
*** And if you were wiling to accept even ''that'' possibility and still forgive her, then the revelation [[spoiler:that she's kept Belle (who, unlike Snow White or the Huntsman, never crossed her or did her any harm at all) shut away in a mental ward for twenty eight years, presumably either to keep her quiet or as some sort of bargaining chip against Mr. Gold]] might just do it. [[spoiler: Although then again, Regina just shows a CycleOfVengeance mindset (taking leverage material to deal with what she knows, is almost evil incarnate but with very human qualities such as a fondness for Belle, and nearly omnipotent), while Rumple already demonstrated his capacity to screw her life over more than needed at that point in the chronology. Some fans tend to too easily dismiss it as a sort of Karmic Retribution for Rumple and NoSympathy towards Belle.]]. Regardless of how much Regina deserves pity rather than scorn, the point remains that she deliberately hurt an innocent victim (Belle), in cool blood, which contributes into making her NotSoDifferent with Rumple, no matter how much this displeases fans trying to scapegoat him for the event.
*** All the murders [[spoiler:and the later kidnapping]] can be argued to [[PragmaticVillainy acceptable losses to further her plans]]. But [[spoiler:sending defenseless CHILD after CHILD into a cannibal witch's house to retrieve the poisoned apple crosses it. She's shown she could have taken care of the Blind Witch herself (via mirrors and fireballs), even though that would have costed her her revenge, making her look worse when she sends Hansel and Gretel in. Without remorse or hesitation she sent over a DOZEN kids to certain doom just to get a MacGuffin just to screw over ONE PERSON. ONE PERSON.]]
*** [[spoiler:She was involved in Kathryn's disappearance and attempted to commit a murder. She then uses her supposed friend's death to screw over someone who's already miserable, and for kicks she also makes Sidney, who's hopelessly in love with her, confess to the crime.]]
*** What she did to Jefferson; [[spoiler:deliberately screwing him over so that she could get her father back (who she'll kill later anyway, rendering the whole Wonderland trip meaningless) and then hypocritically shooting his words 'You don't leave family' back at him, before leaving him behind to be separated from his daughter forever - as well as from his head, if only for a while. BITCH. Though she gets a SympatheticMurderBackstory-ish storyline AGAIN, since, before his daughter was even born, Jefferson was TheHedonist and helped drive her insane in exchange from some material help from Rumplestiltskin.]]
*** Regina [[spoiler:trying to get Kurt and Owen to stay in Storybrooke]] and, when that didn't work, [[spoiler:chasing them down like criminals, having Kurt arrested and thus depriving Owen of his father]]. Who cares if she cried in remorse? That was ''dreadful''. To be fair, she was genuinely remorseful over what she did when she sees Owen crying for his father and she learned her lesson in the present time, as evidenced by [[spoiler: destroying the love curse rather than forcing Henry to be her perfect, loving son]], but still, her selfish actions back then have now put ''everyone'' in Storybrooke in jeopardy in the present day, as [[spoiler: Owen is back and out to prove that magic exists to the whole world.]][[spoiler: (Oh, and she killed Kurt as well.)]]
*** [[MindRape Twisting Belle's memories and personality]] into a hard-partying DarkChick. Did Belle do anything to Regina? Nope. It's all because Regina doesn't have the guts or power to face Rumplestiltskin directly, so she'll attack him through the innocent girl serving as his MoralityChain who did nothing more than support him and accidentally help framing her, in a dark mirrored version of what he did to Prince Henry.
*** [[spoiler: In "The Evil Queen", she has a village destroyed and all its inhabitants slaughtered back in the Enchanted Forest. And even though she looks as if she just realizes what she asked when she finds them before the apple incident, in the present, she's planning on doing the same to Storybrooke and all the people in it, and ''mind-wipes Henry'' of this plan so that he won't try to stop her. This also ends up directly enabling Tamara and Greg's MoralEventHorizon of doing the same thing, making Regina doubly guilty.]]
*** She [[spoiler: massacred Percival's village when he was a boy, burning it to the ground, smiling at him as she did so.]]
** '''Rumplestiltskin'''. Like for Regina, there is no fan consensus on whether or not he is redeemable.
*** [[spoiler:Creating the damn curse to start with may qualify. While wanting to find his son is a sympathetic FreudianExcuse, ruining the lives of all around him to do so is just heinous, and even more when you realize there were other ways in 2x04 and he used the curse because it allowed him to keep his powers]].
*** What makes all this even worse is that, when [[spoiler: his son returns]], he is happy spending his time with Belle. He doesn't visit him, try to repair the damage he caused or learn more about his grandson. To be fair, he has been shown spending a lot of time watching his son. Given how things played out in "Manhattan", maybe Gold doesn't know how to talk to his son.
*** Later, encouraging Regina to [[spoiler: kill her own father]]. He starts by grasping her throat as if he was going to strangle her, then giggles through his whole rant, probably rejoicing because [[spoiler: poor Henry ended up with the woman he loved in the past]].
*** In ''The Price Of Gold'', killing an innocent, benevolent woman whose job is to make desperate people happy ''without'' hidden side-consequences. This means he may have put thousands of {{Happy Ending}}s into jeopardy, when he could have just ''locked her somewhere''. Then, manipulating Ashley and trying to insult the memory of a beloved character whom, on a meta-level, he cheated of her usual importance.
*** What Rumplestiltskin did to [[spoiler:[[CorruptTheCutie Regina]], as shown in "We Are Both" and onward. While Cora started Regina down the road to darkness, Rumple made damn sure she continued down it, but [[{{Hypocrite}} he always insisted that the choice was hers, and that it was her fault, not his]]. Made worse by the fact that this may still be RevengeByProxy on Cora.]]
*** Torturing Robin Hood. He hurts him and heals him, just because he feels some perverse satisfaction in punishing others for challenging a power they can't handle. Made better by letting Robin Hood go after Rumple found out Robin Hood wanted the magic wand to save his pregnant wife. Belle evens [[LampshadeHanging calls him out]] on it.
*** Later on, trying to harm Henry, [[spoiler: his son's son]], without concern for Neal's happiness, or any demonstration of remorse, just out of self-preservation. [[spoiler: Made better by his rescue attempt afterwards.]]
*** To start with a disagreeable pattern, [[spoiler:ripping out Milah's heart]], whatever your opinion on whether [[spoiler:she had a right to seek her own happiness or should have stayed with a family who loved her]]. Though that one can also come across as a crime of passion and he really only begins to lose control when he calls her out for abandoning Bae.
*** Trapping the defenseless apprentice into the hat. Also, using Hook, who wanted to be removed of his hand that compels him to regress to his old ways, to do this and blackmails him with it if he ever reveals the truth to Belle about switching the real dagger with the fake dagger and [[KickTheSonOfABitch tells Hook that the hand wasn't cursed at all and that he did them by himself]], calling it his true nature. To be fair, Hook brought that on himself by trying to blackmail him in the first place.
*** Using Emma's trust to [[spoiler:get her to be sucked inside the hat so that he can receive her powers was really pricky. Even when she's the mother of one of the two people he cares about, he still doesn't relent. Double points for chaining Hook to a fence so that he's helpless to stop it. Trying to kill Hook by crushing his heart [[KickTheDog in front]] [[ForcedToWatch of Emma]]. Although, the severity of these are greatly lessened when it's revealed that the darkness had all but consumed him at this point.]]
*** He doesn't have that excuse for what he pulls off during the Season 5A finale, however. [[spoiler: He attempts to trick Dark One Emma into killing herself with Excalibur under the belief that it would destroy the darkness. He didn't plan on having Hook, his greatest enemy, sacrifice himself instead, but Rumple still got the exact result he wanted - the darkness is redirected to his newly-made dagger and thus back inside of him so that he's the Dark One again, making Hook's HeroicSacrifice entirely meaningless and once ''again'' manipulating the trust Belle has in him.]] The kicker? Rumple came up with this plan '''without the darkness inside of him'''. Even when he isn't the Dark One, he's still hopelessly addicted to power and prone to doing bad things in order to get it. By his own admittance, "it's the man he is."
*** What he does to [[spoiler:Milah]] in the Underworld could be this, though he was talked into it by Hades. Notably, it might be an in-universe case ''for Rumple'', as the look on his face after he does it shows that even ''he'' is upset and disgusted at himself for sinking so low.
** '''King George''':
*** He ''dove'' over this line in "Child Of The Moon" by [[spoiler:killing a man in cold blood, framing his murder on the innocent (and already guilt-ridden) Ruby, almost killing her, and then destroying the Mad Hatter's hat (which, in Storybrooke, is the only known way to get Emma and Snow back)]], all in the name of a grudge on ''[[RevengeByProxy Charming]]'', not even any of the people that he screwed over during the episode!
*** Imprisoning Charming and attempting to have him executed just because he didn't go along with his ArrangedMarriage, and then cursing Snow to a childless life. EvilIsPetty, indeed. Oh, and he [[spoiler:killed his mother.]]
** '''Hook'''
*** [[spoiler:Attempting to kill Belle, simply because she was of no use to him. Also then later shooting Belle and letting her fall over the Storybrooke line so she'd (temporarily, thankfully) lose her memories. Though by then it's become apparent Hook is more interested in making Rumple miserable and some kind of inverted SuicideByCop, at least since he can't kill him.]]
*** A lot of people were put off by Hook [[spoiler:stealing Aurora's heart [[KickTheDog while she was unconscious]]. Some viewers ''started'' shipping the two because of that scene. Some consider this a subversion, as Hook also ends up [[PetTheDog saving her heart]] when it's about to be lost forever.]]
*** Helping to trap Emma, Snow, Aurora and Mulan in a cage that was meant to hold the Dark One, and then calling Emma "dried up and useless" before leaving them to death by exposure.
*** [[spoiler:Selling out Bae, the son of the woman he loved, to the Lost Boys. The tragic thing about this one is that they were genuinely bonding. Hook started out using him for information to kill Rumple, but they bonded over being abandoned and almost became a family. It all went to hell when Bae found out that Milah left his family for Hook and refused to be on the ship any longer. Rather than let him go, Hook sells Bae for his own safety and that of his crew. Though, [[MyGreatestFailure he does genuinely regret this]] and influenced his decision to not flee a doomed Storybrooke in the second season finale and help the good guys save Henry, Bae's own son, in Neverland.]]. Oddly, it didn't seem to influence his actions much the next half season.
*** Trying to send [[spoiler:the entire main cast sans Emma (who is also a Dark One at the time) to the Underworld just so that he can fulfill his revenge on just ONE of them - Rumplestiltskin, not caring about Emma's own feelings because he is angry at her for turning him dark against his will. Also him having murdered Merlin in order to cast the Dark Curse, cursing Storybrooke in order to bring the Dark Ones there.]]
*** [[spoiler: Murdering his father and abandoning his half-brother.]]
** '''Zelena''' ([[Literature/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz Wicked Witch of the West]])
*** [[spoiler: Turning the Wizard of Oz into her first Flying Monkey, though it was borderline KickTheSonOfABitch. Sending him to "[[ShapeshiftingLover divert]]" Emma (though said monkey ''is'' originally human, neither of them seems to have had full knowledge of their actions, paralleling Graham.)]]
*** [[spoiler: Caging an obviously insane and tortured Rumple, and forcing Rumple to attack Belle using the dagger, after giving her a Hope Spot]].
*** [[spoiler: The above is topped later when she forces him to threaten Robin Hood's son, a CHILD.]]
*** [[spoiler: Setting up Baelfire to be killed, and then torturing Rumple and Emma with it]].
*** [[spoiler: Planning to unmake all of reality and the timeline so Cora will keep her, proving to be just as ruthless as her mother in her devotion to attaining her goals]].
*** [[spoiler: And, to top the list, kidnapping a newborn baby to use in her time-travel spell, which may or may not have killed it.]]
*** [[spoiler: In season 4, it is revealed that she killed an unconscious Marian in order to impersonate her and ruin Regina's happiness.]]
*** [[spoiler: She continued the pretense while Robin had sex with her under the belief that she was Marian, meaning that she committed [[http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/9/1/s261 rape by fraud]], possibly many times.]]
** '''Literature/TheSnowQueen'''
*** Nothing puts you over the edge faster than [[spoiler: corrupting your nieces, turning one against the other and even getting the one you liked better trapped for at least 29 years]].
*** And then there's her freezing the heart of [[spoiler: what she thinks is]] an innocent woman in order to frame your niece for it. I mean, geesh!
*** Cursing the entire town (and innocent people who have nothing to do with her) with the Shattered Spell curse, although to be fair, [[spoiler: she ends up having a HeelRealization and [[RedemptionEqualsLife sacrifices her life to end the curse]] before it kills anyone.]]
** '''Snow and Charming'''
*** The episode "Best Laid Plans" details ''exactly'' what they did to Maleficent's baby: [[spoiler:turned it into TheAntichrist and sent it to another dimension, with the "justification" [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman that it wasn't human]] and was just going to be evil because its mom was.]] However, they were unaware that they'd targeted an actual human baby and not an AlwaysChaoticEvil creature, as the baby was inside a dragon's egg, and were [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified themselves when they realized just what they'd done]]. They'd also done everything solely to protect their daughter, so while their actions were terrible, how unforgivable they were is up for the viewer to decide.
** '''The Author'''
*** He arguably goes over it in his ''first appearance'': [[spoiler:manipulating the characters he's supposed to protect and putting them through absolute hell, because it makes "[[LackOfEmpathy a better story]]". He is ''directly responsible'' for ''everything'' everyone suffers.]]
*** He clearly and undeniably crosses it in the Season 4 finale when he [[spoiler: writes a new story that traps everyone except Henry in an alternate world where heroes are villains and villains are heroes and then sells the story as a book in our world, making him a best-selling author.]] You read that correctly: He screwed with everyone's lives so he could sell a book. Oh, and the reason why he has it out for Charming and Snow in particular? Not because they slighted him personally or did something terrible to him, but because they remind him of his former boss, successful and happy while he has nothing. He messed with them out of completely unjustified envy.
*** [[UpToEleven AND THEN]] once he and Henry [[spoiler: end up in the AU-verse]] he [[WouldHurtAChild knocks him out]] and leaves him as ogre-bait. When he goes back later he is [[CrossesTheLineTwice pleading for Henry to be dead]].
** '''Cruella De Vil and Ursula'''
*** Cruella serially murders [[spoiler:her father, her two stepfathers and her mother]].
*** She and Ursula [[spoiler:abandon Lily as a baby and use the magic egg to stay youthful]].
** [[spoiler: '''Arthur''']]
*** Forcing [[spoiler:his squire]] to take the poison of Agrabahn vipers to keep from being forced to confess that he had stolen the contents of the reliquary at ''his'' behest, simply to manufacture an adventure and a villain to defeat so as to earn the trust of the main characters. All because he believes anything is justified in the name of protecting Camelot and its people, getting them home, and stopping the Dark One. After this, getting after Regina and the others for lying about her identity and Emma's seems rather hollow.
*** As if that isn't bad enough, the very next episode has him dive completely across it. [[spoiler:Pretending the mushroom was lost to keep them from contacting Merlin, while skeevy, isn't truly deplorable since at this point we don't know what happened between them, what Arthur may be concealing, or how Merlin and his prophecies shaped him. But in "The Broken Kingdom" we learn that not only did he become so obsessed with finding the dagger and reforging Excalibur so he could fulfill the prophecy and properly rule a rebuilt Camelot that he ignored and neglected Guinevere, thus driving her into Lancelot's arms, but when she confessed the truth to him rather than use the Sands of Avalon on Excalibur, he used them on ''her''. With the result that she now is under MindControl to believe herself his loving and obedient wife who must support him in all things, especially the quest for the dagger. He also fashioned an illusion of a restored Camelot to fool the people, and in the present compelled her to cruelly spurn Lancelot and use the Sands on Snow and Charming, putting them under his control, too. This last is undone in the very next episode, but Guinevere remains his unknowing slave. This horrible act puts him right in the same camp as Regina with Graham and Zelena with Robin.]] Is it any wonder Merlin is disgusted when he is freed from the tree?
** '''Hades''': It's hard to pin down what his worst acts are, but among the contenders:
*** Forcing Gold to [[spoiler:cast Milah into the River of Lost Souls]] to keep from being killed and/or ever able to return to Belle.
*** Gaining control of the contract for Gold's second-born, thus forcing him to be his servant (i.e. threatening both Belle and her unborn baby).
*** Manipulating Liam into betraying all his sailors just to obtain the Eye of the Storm so he and Killian can join the Royal Navy.
*** Manipulating Belle into indirectly causing Gaston to fall in the River of Lost Souls, and then not honoring the deal to tear up the contract because she did the deed rather than Gold.
*** Lying to Emma and Killian about the ambrosia tree, and then giving Cruella and the Blind Witch the power to trap the others in the library, all to keep them from making it back through the portal so he and Zelena could rule Storybrooke.
*** But probably above all, manipulating Zelena into helping him take over Storybrooke and destroy the heroes (even while he apparently really did love her), culminating in using the Olympian Crystal to [[spoiler:kill Robin Hood]]. The fact his death immediately follows the latter would seem to make this his ultimate evil act, except it was actually as payback for the manipulation of Zelena.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Around Season Two, Hook and Emma was a FanPreferredCouple with many people supporting them so the show actually made them a canonical couple. However, in doing so, the show went on to [[spoiler: [[DeathOfTheHypotenuse kill Neal Cassidy]]]]. Doing this caused many fans to feel that Rumple's character lost his main motivations afterwards (including [[CreatorBacklash Robert Carlyle himself]]) and there was huge InternetBackdraft from the fans. In Season Five, it became more of a problem since due to Hook being Emma's LoveInterest, he became more prominent in the story thus making him a CreatorsPet of sorts since a lot of his story arcs that season tended to controversial with him [[spoiler: becoming the Dark One]] causing there to be another KudzuPlot with the Camelot arc not being resolved in the mid-season finale, having all the main characters including those with zero motivation to do so to [[spoiler: go to the Underworld as an attempt to revive him]], and having him be [[spoiler: revived from the dead through a literal DeusExMachina in the same episode where Robin Hood was KilledOffForReal]]. Afterwards, Captain Swan became a divisive ship where people either LoveItOrHateIt and a lot of people who were fans of Hook ended up turning on him that season as well as no longer shipping Captain Swan together.
9th Sep '16 9:41:28 PM MummyGaGa
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* ItWasHisSled: The curse being broken and magic being brought to Storybrooke in Season One is very well-known as later seasons have a major usage in magic and the commercials don't seem have a problem showing characters using magic in Storybrooke. While it came across as a surprise to some fans thinking that the curse won't be broken in season one, those who started watching the show on later seasons will reach a ForegoneConclusion for season one if they decided to go back and watch that season.
** [[spoiler: Neal being Baelfire]] is also very well-known. It doesn't help that that [[spoiler: his FanNickname is Nealfire and most people are more likely to call the ship name for Emma/Neal Swanfire then Swan Thief. ]]
4th Sep '16 4:13:19 PM SorPepita
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** Madeline, [[spoiler: Cruella]]'s mother. She loses her husband ([[spoiler: and his successors]]) to [[spoiler: Cruella]]'s sociopathic impulses, tries to make her good, to no avail, and ages alone, dealing with her daughter's petty crimes on her own because she doesn't want to denounce her and feels responsible for everything. Her only comfort and support comes from [[spoiler: her dogs]], who protect her and remind her of her succesful career. Then, [[spoiler: Cruella acquires power over animals, gets the dogs to kill her mother, gets rid of them too and makes herself a nice fur coat with the leftovers]]...

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** Madeline, [[spoiler: Cruella]]'s mother. She loses her husband ([[spoiler: and ([[spoiler:and his successors]]) to [[spoiler: Cruella]]'s sociopathic impulses, tries to make her good, to no avail, and ages alone, dealing with her daughter's petty crimes on her own because she doesn't want to denounce her and feels responsible for everything. Her only comfort and support comes from [[spoiler: her dogs]], who protect her and remind her of her succesful career. Then, [[spoiler: Cruella acquires power over animals, gets the dogs to kill her mother, gets rid of them too and makes herself a nice fur coat with the leftovers]]...
4th Sep '16 4:12:41 PM SorPepita
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** Regina opting, out of sheer spite, to give Rumplestiltskin's sweet, utterly non-violent MoralityChain false memories of being a DarkChick who gets [[InLoveWithYourCarnage turned on watching him bludgeon the shit out of people]] ends up almost costing her dearly when "Lacey" ends up being the one to push Rumple into attempting to murder Regina's beloved Henry. It's only through sheer ''luck'' that this murder ultimately is prevented.

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** Regina opting, out of sheer spite, to give Rumplestiltskin's sweet, utterly non-violent MoralityChain false memories of being a DarkChick who gets [[InLoveWithYourCarnage turned on watching him bludgeon the shit out of people]] ends up almost costing her dearly when "Lacey" ends up being the one to push Rumple into attempting to murder Regina's beloved Henry. It's only through sheer ''luck'' that this murder is ultimately is prevented.
4th Sep '16 4:06:29 PM SorPepita
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Based on fairy tails, specifically the Disney-centric ones, which are generally thought of as kid-friendly, but characters are killed and tortured left, right and center and the villains tend towards being not particularly nice people. Not to mention [[{{Sarcasm}} family friendly topics]] like adultery, teen pregnancy, parental abuse, alcoholism, and symbolic drug addictions.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids: Based on fairy tails, tales, specifically the Disney-centric ones, which are generally thought of as kid-friendly, but characters are killed and tortured left, right and center center, and the villains tend towards being not particularly nice people. Not to mention [[{{Sarcasm}} [[SarcasmMode family friendly topics]] like adultery, teen pregnancy, parental abuse, alcoholism, and symbolic drug addictions.
4th Sep '16 4:00:25 PM SorPepita
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** As of the Season 5 finale it has ''finally'' improved, with Regina actually showing remorse for been the Evil Queen due to [[spoiler: Robin's death]] [[HeelRealization making her fully aware of how much bad karma she's accumulated due to her crimes]], and having a desire to get rid of her [[spoiler: which is fulfilled via EnemyWithout, meaning that we now have both an actual sympathetic Regina and an '''intentionally''' unsympathetic Regina - the Evil Queen - on the show.]]

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** As of the Season 5 finale it has ''finally'' improved, with Regina actually showing remorse for having been the Evil Queen due to [[spoiler: Robin's death]] [[HeelRealization making her fully aware of how much bad karma she's accumulated due to her crimes]], and having a desire to get rid of her [[spoiler: which is fulfilled via EnemyWithout, meaning that we now have both an actual sympathetic Regina and an '''intentionally''' unsympathetic Regina - the Evil Queen - on the show.]]
4th Sep '16 3:58:17 PM SorPepita
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** Rumple's regression to villainy was triggered when he spotted the Sorcerer's Hat, the only thing that could cleave the Dark One from the Dagger and keep his powers intact. It could've easily been portrayed as a case of Rumple slowly falling off the wagon (magic is akin to a drug addiction) instead of the horrible case of Flanderisation it became.

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** Rumple's regression to villainy was triggered when he spotted the Sorcerer's Hat, the only thing that could cleave the Dark One from the Dagger and keep his powers intact. It could've easily been portrayed as a case of Rumple slowly falling off the wagon (magic is akin to a drug addiction) instead of the horrible case of Flanderisation Flanderization it became.



** Several flashbacks subvert this by having a thematic link between the it and the present storyline (Lost Girl) or by becoming relevant latter (Broken).

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** Several flashbacks subvert this by having a thematic link between the it them and the present storyline (Lost Girl) or by becoming relevant latter (Broken).



* UnintentionallySympathetic: Sir Percival. Many fans have compared his attempt for revenge against Regina to be similar to that of Inigo Montoya, both had their families killed by their nemesis when they were young and now they seek to kill the nemesis. The fact that he is unceremoniously killed by Charming after his failed attempt to kill Regina also came off as tragic to many fans.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Sir Percival. Many fans have compared his attempt for revenge against Regina to be similar to that of Inigo Montoya, Montoya; both had their families killed by their nemesis when they were young and now they seek to kill the nemesis. The fact that he is unceremoniously killed by Charming after his failed attempt to kill Regina also came off as tragic to many fans.
4th Sep '16 3:08:32 PM SorPepita
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** In "The New Neverland", [[spoiler: Peter Pan's shadows rips the Blue Fairy's shadow and kills her. This is hilariously subverted with the shadow's death reviving her in the very next episode]].

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** In "The New Neverland", [[spoiler: Peter Pan's shadows shadow rips the Blue Fairy's shadow and kills her. This is hilariously subverted with the shadow's death reviving her in the very next episode]].
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