History YMMV / OnceUponATime

25th Apr '16 2:43:36 PM Ion89
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*** The Underworld arc on a whole returned Gold to his anti-villain roots. The chief complaint against the character in the fourth season was that he lost moral complexity and became a more one dimensional villain, while the Dark Swan arc got complaints of Gold becoming too heroic a bit too fast and easy for some. The Underworld arc found a compromise by having Gold commit villainous actions, but giving him the motivation of saving his and Belle's unborn child. This is much closer to his original characterization in the first two seasons where he had moral ambiguity that allowed him to act good or evil depending on the situation.
23rd Apr '16 7:41:44 AM Temmere
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** "Ruby Slippers" produced a lot of these feelings in the fandom. [[spoiler:The dual announcements that season 5 would have both a gay romance and the return of Mulan had many assuming she would find love and finally be happy, and after "The Bear King" ended with Mulan and Ruby travelling together, it seemed clear the two of them would fall in love. But then "Ruby Slippers" had the two of them meet Dorothy, and Ruby and Dorothy fell ''immediately'' into true love after knowing each other for roughly five minutes. Even people who were really excited to finally see a gay love story thought that was awfully sudden.]]
20th Apr '16 5:25:16 PM LadyErinNY
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** And now it's happening among certain parts of the Outlaw Queen fandom with [[spoiler: [[TheLostLenore Mar]][[NewOldFlame ian's]] return. Some people even started shipping her with a ''noose!'']]

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** And now it's happening It's also happened among certain parts of the Outlaw Queen fandom with [[spoiler: [[TheLostLenore Mar]][[NewOldFlame ian's]] return. Some people even started shipping her with a ''noose!'']]ian's]].



*** Season 4 takes it to particularly weird depths as the show itself suddenly starts acting like the evil Regina was an entirely separate character, whose crimes the current one shouldn't have to be held responsible for. When her love interest doesn't give a rat's ass that she killed his wife, and she says with a straight face that she'll never forgive Emma for going back in time and stopping that, [[RunningTheAsylum you know this trope is in effect in canon.]]
19th Apr '16 7:38:45 AM Pren
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*** "Ruby Slippers" explains Toto's absence from the previous Oz flashbacks: in this version, Dorothy only got him after returning from her first trip there.
15th Apr '16 1:47:55 PM fearlessnikki
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* AccidentalInnuendo: "I want to see your hook inside his body". Given that fans had already picked up on the HoYay between Hook and Charming, this was the worst thing Pan could have possibly said.

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* AccidentalInnuendo: AccidentalInnuendo:
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"I want to see your hook inside his body". Given that fans had already picked up on the HoYay between Hook and Charming, this was the worst thing Pan could have possibly said.



** Regina's "tell your timbers to stop shivering, pirate" can sound like she's making an UnusualEuphemism for [[SomethingElseAlsoRises something else]].



** [[spoiler:Some had this reaction when the Blue Fairy died... prior to her coming back to life in the very next episode. Others who had the opposite reaction, of course, felt like they got trolled big time]].
*** And it happens again when [[spoiler:Rumpelstiltskin forces Hook to trap her and the other fairies inside the Sorcerer's hat. It's also reversed, but three episodes later rather than just one. Also, she seems rather traumatized by her experience trapped in the hat, which has actually won her pity points among some fans.]]

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** [[spoiler:Some had this reaction when the Blue Fairy died... prior to her coming back to life in the very next episode. Others who had the opposite reaction, of course, felt like they got trolled big time]].
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time]]. And it happens again when [[spoiler:Rumpelstiltskin forces Hook to trap her and the other fairies inside the Sorcerer's hat. It's also reversed, but three episodes later rather than just one. Also, she seems rather traumatized by her experience trapped in the hat, which has actually won her pity points among some fans.]]



** There are a couple of hints in the season 2 premiere that imply Aurora could have gone under the Sleeping Curse willingly, like Snow did. When Mulan asks her how she came to be in her castle, Aurora says that she knows something about sacrifice. Also a spinning wheel can be seen beside her bed - and a few episodes later is established to be the 'traditional' method of inflicting the curse (pricking one's finger on the spindle). As Aurora's backstory has yet to be revealed, time will tell. As of Season 4 [[spoiler: this has been Jossed; she was pricked by Maleficent unwillingly.]]
** Another minor one related to Aurora in the season 2 premiere: her reaction to Mulan being a woman could be her being a little sexist, shocked that a woman is a warrior. Or she could be quickly panicking about what her fiancee was doing traveling with another female. Given that she seems to immediately pick up on apparent feelings between Mulan and Philip, the latter is quite possible.

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** There are a couple of hints in the season 2 premiere that imply Aurora could have gone under the Sleeping Curse willingly, like Snow did. When Mulan asks her how she came to be in her castle, Aurora says that she knows something about sacrifice. Also a spinning wheel can be seen beside her bed - and a few episodes later is established to be the 'traditional' method of inflicting the curse (pricking one's finger on the spindle). As Aurora's backstory has yet to be revealed, time will tell. As of Season 4 [[spoiler: this has been Jossed; she was pricked by Maleficent unwillingly.]]
** Another
A minor one related to Aurora in the season 2 premiere: her reaction to Mulan being a woman could be her being a little sexist, shocked that a woman is a warrior. Or she could be quickly panicking about what her fiancee fiancée was doing traveling travelling with another female. Given that she seems to immediately pick up on apparent feelings between Mulan and Philip, the latter is quite possible.



** Zelena. After episode after episode being something of a VillainSue, she is [[spoiler: very suddenly curb-stomped by Regina's newly unlocked light magic, rendered powerless and later killed in an act of vengeance while she's already locked up.]]
*** Subverted: [[spoiler:Zelena's actually alive and disguised as Marian, and is proving as much of a MagnificentBitch as ever.]]

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** Zelena. After episode after episode being something of a VillainSue, she is [[spoiler: very suddenly curb-stomped by Regina's newly unlocked light magic, rendered powerless and later killed in an act of vengeance while she's already locked up.]]
*** Subverted: [[spoiler:Zelena's actually
Zelena later turns up alive and disguised as Marian, and is proving as much of a MagnificentBitch as ever.]]



** Likewise numerous people reacting with shock at Mulan being a woman in season 2 seems a little too heavy handed with the Girl Power theme. Especially considering season 1 saw plenty of women active in the war against Regina - implying that Snow and Red were fighting on the front lines personally. The Enchanted Forest just doesn't seem sexist enough for a group of people to be shocked at a female warrior.

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** Likewise numerous people reacting with shock at Mulan being a woman in season 2 seems a little too heavy handed with the Girl Power theme. Especially considering season 1 saw plenty of women active in the war against Regina - implying that Snow and Red were fighting on the front lines personally. The Enchanted Forest just doesn't seem sexist enough for a group of people to be shocked at a female warrior. This pops up again in Season 5 with Mulan and Merida's episode, where the other members of the clans inexplicably don't think a woman can be a warrior. Note that this is at least ten years after the events of ''Brave'' - where Merida had already established herself as an ActionGirl.



* ArcFatigue: Some fans feel this way about the Neverland arc at the beginning of season 3. While most like Peter Pan as a villain, some people tired of it quickly since it was essentially the same scenery (not to mention the eternal nighttime) every single episode, and because the arc is more of a Character Study than plot-based, the action moves at a very slow pace through 9 whole episodes when it really could have taken half that long with less character-based detours. In any case, the cast finally returns to Storybrooke in the 10th episode of the season, so it's not as bad an example as it could have been.

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* ArcFatigue: ArcFatigue:
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Some fans feel this way about the Neverland arc at the beginning of season 3. While most like Peter Pan as a villain, some people tired of it quickly since it was essentially the same scenery (not to mention the eternal nighttime) every single episode, and because the arc is more of a Character Study than plot-based, the action moves at a very slow pace through 9 whole episodes when it really could have taken half that long with less character-based detours. In any case, the cast finally returns to Storybrooke in the 10th episode of the season, so it's not as bad an example as it could have been.



* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop:
** Cora was curb-stomping everyone with impunity until Snow stopped her [[spoiler: and saved Rumplestiltskin]] using the most reprehensible option. Good was completely ineffective, and only got innocent people killed. The evil option ''worked,'' even if Snow's paying a heavy price for it.
** Some people think that [[spoiler: Neal's death]] in Season 3 pushes that very same message. Others thought it about [[spoiler: Hook suffering as a result of apologizing and trying to make up for hurting Ariel, in comparison to Regina getting to be happy despite and once even because she doesn't regret her evil behavior]].
** As does [[spoiler: Regina losing Robin Hood and being literally the ''only'' character to end Season 3 unhappy... a season, bear in mind, that spent a ''lot'' of time having her work hard to redeem herself, to the point of being the one to defeat Zelena and save everyone.]]
*** Though [[spoiler: her relationship with Robin happened with no obstacles whatsoever when she actually went for it during this storyline--unlike the romances of every other main character--and the reason she ended the season was unhappy was a direct consequence of her evil behavior in the past]].
** Might be FridgeBrilliance: good has to be selfless and doesn't necessarily earn its own reward. It must still be pursued, and that's a nice way to prepare younger viewers for side-effects.
*** The Aesop seems to be "Sometimes you have to take uncomfortable actions to resolve a problem, and 'I did what I had to do' doesn't always excuse you from the consequences."

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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop:
** Cora was curb-stomping everyone with impunity until Snow stopped her [[spoiler: and saved Rumplestiltskin]] using
FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Although finding other options to stop evildoers is possible, sometimes a darker choice must be made. Unfortunately IDidWhatIHadToDo does not excuse one from the most reprehensible option. Good was completely ineffective, and only got innocent people killed. The evil option ''worked,'' even if consequences - Snow's paying a heavy price for it.
** Some people think that
guilt over [[spoiler: Neal's death]] in Season 3 pushes that very same message. Others thought it about [[spoiler: Hook suffering as a result of apologizing and trying to make up for hurting Ariel, in comparison to Regina getting to be happy despite and once even because she doesn't regret her murdering Cora]] is the prime example. Even if you do an evil behavior]].
** As does [[spoiler: Regina losing Robin Hood and being literally the ''only'' character to end Season 3 unhappy... a season, bear in mind, that spent a ''lot'' of time having her work hard to redeem herself, to the point of being the one to defeat Zelena and save everyone.]]
*** Though [[spoiler: her relationship with Robin happened with no obstacles whatsoever when she actually went
thing for it during this storyline--unlike the romances of every other main character--and the reason she ended the season was unhappy was a direct consequence of her evil behavior in the past]].
** Might be FridgeBrilliance:
good has to be selfless and doesn't necessarily earn its own reward. It must intentions, you still be pursued, and that's a nice way to prepare younger viewers for side-effects.
*** The Aesop seems to be "Sometimes you
have to take uncomfortable actions to resolve a problem, and 'I did what I had to do' doesn't always excuse you from the consequences."live with it.
9th Apr '16 9:49:56 AM ANewMan
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* Hades in Season 5. All you really need to know about him to justify his status as this trope is that he [[spoiler: actually ''out-Rumples Rumple'', deceiving and enslaving him through methods that Rumple himself is accustomed to using.]]

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* ** Hades in Season 5. All you really need to know about him to justify his status as this trope is that he [[spoiler: actually ''out-Rumples Rumple'', deceiving and enslaving him through methods that Rumple himself is accustomed to using.]]



** And Season 5 has been noted to be little better. Several fans were not happy with Zelena being upgraded to regular. Merida was largely criticised for overshadowing the main arc and taking screen time away from the core characters. What's more is that the show quickly became overloaded with another KudzuPlot - with the revelation that [[spoiler: Hook is now a Dark One]] causing the season to do a complete 180 and abandon the arc it had been building with Camelot. Likewise the mid season finale ending with an AssPull ShockingSwerve was met with outrage by many fans. However it has been seen by many as an improvement (particularly in its second half) for fixing some of the problems people have with past seasons such as re-railing characters like Charming and Snow, putting more emphasis on the main cast and ensuring that the new characters do not overshadow them. Zelena also got RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some people (see above).

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** And Season 5 has been noted to be little better. Several fans were not happy with Zelena being upgraded to regular. Merida was largely criticised for overshadowing the main arc and taking screen time away from the core characters. What's more is that the show quickly became overloaded with another KudzuPlot - with the revelation that [[spoiler: Hook is now a Dark One]] causing the season to do a complete 180 and abandon the arc it had been building with Camelot. Likewise the mid season midseason finale ending with an AssPull ShockingSwerve was met with outrage by many fans. However it has been seen by many as an improvement (particularly in its second half) for fixing some of the problems people have with past seasons such as re-railing characters like Charming and Snow, putting more emphasis on the main cast and ensuring that the new characters do not overshadow them. Zelena also got RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some people (see above).
9th Apr '16 9:48:22 AM ANewMan
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* Hades in Season 5. All you really need to know about him to justify his status as this trope is that he [[spoiler: actually ''out-Rumples Rumple'', deceiving and enslaving him through methods that Rumple himself is accustomed to using.]]
9th Apr '16 9:46:33 AM ANewMan
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** Hook is gaining ever more haters over the amount of screen time and plot he takes up, to the point that some have taken to derisively calling the show "Once Upon a Hook". Even a few of his fans are sick of it, since other storylines have suffered because of the attention devoted to him. There are others who still like him as a character, but hate the Hook/Emma ship, citing awkward writing and a lack of chemistry between the actors.



** And Season 5 has been noted to be little better. Several fans were not happy with Zelena being upgraded to regular. Merida was largely criticised for overshadowing the main arc and taking screen time away from the core characters. What's more is that the show quickly became overloaded with another KudzuPlot - with the revelation that [[spoiler: Hook is now a Dark One]] causing the season to do a complete 180 and abandon the arc it had been building with Camelot. Likewise the mid season finale ending with an AssPull ShockingSwerve was met with outrage by many fans. However it has been seen by many as an improvement for fixing some of the problems people have with past seasons such as re-railing Belle, Charming and Snow, putting more emphasis on the main cast and ensuring that the new characters do not overshadow them. Zelena also got RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some people (see above).

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** And Season 5 has been noted to be little better. Several fans were not happy with Zelena being upgraded to regular. Merida was largely criticised for overshadowing the main arc and taking screen time away from the core characters. What's more is that the show quickly became overloaded with another KudzuPlot - with the revelation that [[spoiler: Hook is now a Dark One]] causing the season to do a complete 180 and abandon the arc it had been building with Camelot. Likewise the mid season finale ending with an AssPull ShockingSwerve was met with outrage by many fans. However it has been seen by many as an improvement (particularly in its second half) for fixing some of the problems people have with past seasons such as re-railing Belle, characters like Charming and Snow, putting more emphasis on the main cast and ensuring that the new characters do not overshadow them. Zelena also got RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some people (see above).
9th Apr '16 9:38:52 AM ANewMan
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** An even worse one in the Season 5 winter finale. [[spoiler: Rumpelstiltskin somehow found a potion that would suck all the darkness from Excalibur into himself]] after it supposedly being destroyed. [[spoiler: He does this purely to become the Dark One again, despite having earned Belle's love and having no reason to want power again]]. This was not foreshadowed at all and came across as a ShockingSwerve.

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** An even worse one in the Season 5 winter finale. [[spoiler: Rumpelstiltskin somehow found a potion that would suck all the darkness from Excalibur into himself]] after it supposedly being destroyed. [[spoiler: He does this purely to become the Dark One again, despite having earned Belle's love and having no reason to want power again]]. This was not foreshadowed at all and came across as a ShockingSwerve.
3rd Apr '16 5:56:33 PM Aiguille
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** And now it's happening among certain parts of the Outlaw Queen fandom with [[spoiler: [[LostLenore Mar]][[NewOldFlame ian's]] return. Some people even started shipping her with a ''noose!'']]

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** And now it's happening among certain parts of the Outlaw Queen fandom with [[spoiler: [[LostLenore [[TheLostLenore Mar]][[NewOldFlame ian's]] return. Some people even started shipping her with a ''noose!'']]
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