History YMMV / OnceUponATime

25th May '16 6:31:17 AM Azelf2010
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* ArcFatigue:
** Some fans feel this way about the Neverland arc at the beginning of season 3. While most like Peter Pan as a villain, some people tired of it quickly since it was essentially the same scenery (not to mention the eternal nighttime) every single episode, and because the arc is more of a Character Study than plot-based, the action moves at a very slow pace through 9 whole episodes when it really could have taken half that long with less character-based detours. In any case, the cast finally returns to Storybrooke in the 10th episode of the season, so it's not as bad an example as it could have been.
** Also, the second half of season 2, particularly after [[spoiler:Cora's death]], becomes very wearying to watch, especially given how anticlimactically [[spoiler:Greg and Tamara]] were dealt with at the beginning of the third season.

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* ArcFatigue:
ArcFatigue: A common complaint for most of the later seasons, especially once the show decided to adopt the "two arc per season" approach.
** Some fans feel this way about Fans first started to complain around the second half of season 2, particularly after [[spoiler:Cora's death]]. The show becomes very wearying to watch, especially given how anticlimactically [[spoiler:Greg and Tamara]] were dealt with at the beginning of the third season.
** It got worse with
the Neverland arc at the beginning of season 3. While most like Peter Pan as a villain, some people tired of it quickly since it was essentially the same scenery (not to mention the eternal nighttime) every single episode, and episode. And, because the arc is more of a Character Study than plot-based, the action moves at a very slow pace through 9 whole episodes when it really could have taken half that long with less character-based detours. In any case, the cast finally returns to Storybrooke in the 10th episode of the season, so it's not as bad an example as it could have been.
** Also,
been - but that didn't stop it from becoming the second half of season 2, particularly after [[spoiler:Cora's death]], becomes very wearying to watch, especially given how anticlimactically [[spoiler:Greg and Tamara]] were dealt with at the beginning go-to punchline for a large portion of the third season.fandom.



** The Queens of Darkness arc gets these complaints too. An entire episode dedicated to what Robin has been up to in New York slowed it down considerably and [[spoiler: bringing Zelena back just made it worse.]] For example there's the fates of the Queens - [[spoiler: Ursula is redeemed]] four episodes in, before the arc has even got going, [[spoiler: Cruella gets killed off]] and [[spoiler: Maleficent is anti-climactically reunited with her daughter]].

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** The Queens of Darkness arc gets which immediately followed got these complaints too. An entire episode dedicated to what Robin has been up to in New York slowed it down considerably and [[spoiler: bringing Zelena back just made it worse.]] For example Then there's the fates of the Queens - [[spoiler: Ursula is redeemed]] four episodes in, before the arc has even got going, [[spoiler: Cruella gets killed off]] and [[spoiler: Maleficent is anti-climactically reunited with her daughter]].daughter]].
** The Dark Swan/Camelot arc looked to finally break the trend of overly long arcs. It's really too bad that the Underworld arc which immediately succeeded it got so much padding that it was compared ''unfavorably'' to the infamous Neverland arc.



** In general, the fifth season appears to be addressing several of the complaints fans have made about the serie, particularly the previous season.

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** In general, the fifth season appears to be addressing several of the complaints fans have made about the serie, series, particularly the previous season.



** The death of [[spoiler:Robin Hood]] was meant to be shocking and unexpected, but on-set photos taken by fans made it incredibly obvious as to what his fate would be. It got to the point that Eddie and Adam had to do damage control and debunk rumors about [[spoiler:Sean McQuire]] departing the show - even though the rumors turned out to be true.



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** The resolution of the Season 5b finale revolves around Henry getting the residents of New York to wish for a portal to open using a wishing well. It hovers somewhere between this and NarmCharm.

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** The resolution of the Season 5b finale revolves around Henry getting giving a speech to get the residents of New York to wish for a portal portal... by having them throw pennies in a ''wishing well''. It immediately drew comparisons to open using a wishing well.the climax of ''Film/Elf'' and was called out for being ridiculously unrealistic, even by ''OUAT'' standards. It hovers somewhere between this and NarmCharm.



** The respect for August dropped dramatically for alot of viewers when [[WordOfGod it was revealed on Twitter by the creators]] that [[spoiler: ''he'' was the one who sent Emma to jail and stole the money Neal had left for her, deciding to use it to go to Phuket]]. And then he starred in "Selfless, Brave and True", one of the series' ''least'' well-received episodes.

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** The respect for August dropped dramatically for alot a lot of viewers when [[WordOfGod it was revealed on Twitter by the creators]] that [[spoiler: ''he'' was the one who sent Emma to jail and stole the money Neal had left for her, deciding to use it to go to Phuket]]. And then he starred in "Selfless, Brave and True", one of the series' ''least'' well-received episodes.
21st May '16 6:57:12 PM Azelf2010
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** Sean Maguire in Season 5, particularly 5B where Robin Hood barely showed up or had any lines. [[spoiler: And then he died.]]

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** Sean Maguire in Season 5, particularly 5B where Robin Hood barely showed up or had any lines. [[spoiler: And then just like Neal, he died.]]


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* CriticalResearchFailure: Hades makes a big deal about Zeus being his older brother. Anyone who is familiar with Greek mythology, however, will immediately point out that the opposite is true: ''Hades'' was the eldest son of Chronus and Rhea, while Zeus was the youngest.
18th May '16 4:04:22 PM ANewMan
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** Although Raphael Sbarge as Archie/Jiminy is credited among the regular cast in Season 1, he actually appears in less than half of the first Season's 22 episodes (10 in all, sometimes briefly and in one episode only as a VoiceActor). He's demoted in Season 2.

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** Although Raphael Sbarge as Archie/Jiminy is credited among the regular cast in Season 1, he actually appears in less than half of the first Season's 22 episodes (10 (9 in all, sometimes briefly and in one episode only as a VoiceActor). He's demoted in Season 2.
18th May '16 11:41:44 AM ANewMan
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*** Regina post HeelFaceTurn in particular gets painted a little excessively as a KarmaHoudini by some. Most point to her moment stating that she didn't regret the evil she did in her past, which was in Season 3 while she was still in the middle of her turn. While she does often take the moral high ground, criticisms of her behaviour in the search for the Author forget that the entire ''point'' of the arc is her learning the very Aesop they were complaining about[[note]]That she needs to stop thinking of herself as a victim and blaming everyone else for her problems[[/note]]. Likewise she fully acknowledges her past mistakes in Season 5 and is the one actively trying to prevent Emma from succumbing to the same fate. The show and other characters also have no problem calling her out when she does something wrong.



*** He gets it even worse in Season 5, with some fans unable to forgive him for [[spoiler: what he did as the Dark One, while ignoring that Emma forced that condition on him against his will while he was begging her not to since he knew this ''exact thing would happen'', that he sacrificed his life to fix his mistakes, even after enduring extensive torture in the Underworld refused to betray Emma and her family a second time when Hades demanded it of him, was hating himself for what he did more than anyone else and even felt that he wasn't worth saving, and that he ended up doing several great heroic deeds that helped defeat Hades while being fully ready to move on to the afterlife and not be resurrected, wanting no reward other than knowing Emma and her family were safe.]]



** Regina post FaceHeelTurn gets painted a little excessively as a KarmaHoudini by some. Most point to her moment stating that she didn't regret the evil she did in her past, which was in Season 3 while she was still in the middle of her turn. While she does often take the moral high ground, criticisms of her behaviour in the search for the Author forget that the entire ''point'' of the arc is her learning the very Aesop they were complaining about[[note]]That she needs to stop thinking of herself as a victim and blaming everyone else for her problems[[/note]]. Likewise she fully acknowledges her past mistakes in Season 5 and is the one actively trying to prevent Emma from succumbing to the same fate. The show and other characters also have no problem calling her out when she does something wrong.
18th May '16 11:29:27 AM ANewMan
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*** Trying to send [[spoiler:the entire main cast to Hell [[DisproportionateRetribution because he was angry at Emma]] for making him the Dark One against his will. Also him having murdered Merlin in order to cast the Dark Curse, cursing Storybrooke in order to bring the Dark Ones there.]]
*** [[spoiler:Murdering his father and abandoning his half-brother.]]

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*** Trying to send [[spoiler:the entire main cast sans Emma (who is also a Dark One at the time) to Hell [[DisproportionateRetribution the Underworld just so that he can fulfill his revenge on just ONE of them - Rumplestiltskin, not caring about Emma's own feelings because he was is angry at Emma]] her for making turning him the Dark One dark against his will. Also him having murdered Merlin in order to cast the Dark Curse, cursing Storybrooke in order to bring the Dark Ones there.]]
*** [[spoiler:Murdering [[spoiler: Murdering his father and abandoning his half-brother.]]
18th May '16 11:21:47 AM ANewMan
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** It's also happened among certain parts of the Outlaw Queen fandom with [[spoiler: [[TheLostLenore Mar]][[NewOldFlame ian's]].

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** It's also happened among certain parts of the Outlaw Queen fandom with [[spoiler: [[TheLostLenore Mar]][[NewOldFlame ian's]].ian's]] return]].
18th May '16 11:18:20 AM ANewMan
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* CreatorsPet:
** The producers have openly stated that Regina is by far their favorite character, and their first question about literally any plot idea from the writing staff is "How can we make it about Regina?" This really started to be a problem around Season 3 when the show started treating Regina as a hero, which made her seem like an EasilyForgiven KarmaHoudini to many fans. And it got even worse in Season 4 where she wanted to force the Author to write her a new happy ending. And with the 100th episode in Season 5 it's taken UpToEleven: you would expect the 100th episode to star the main character (Emma), but nope, it's Regina.[[note]]In their defence for this, Emma's day in the limelight is the last one in Season 5b. [[/note]] The finale does go some way into addressing fan concerns though.
** Hook has been accused of this because, due to his position as Emma's official love interest, he has gained a more prominent role in the stories than Henry, Snow, or Charming. In Season 5, every main character, including several who have no motivation to do so, choose to [[spoiler:risk traveling into the Underworld to bring him back to life, contradicting the previously established rule that the dead cannot be resurrected]]. They even bring Henry, a child, along with them on this dangerous journey. Not helping matters is that the resolution to that plot ended with [[spoiler: a literal DeusExMachina that revives him which occurs in an episode that kills Robin permanently and in a way that prevents revival. This occurred after it looked like Hook would stay dead.]]

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* CreatorsPet:
CreatorsPet: The major "villain" characters on the show have all had this accusation thrown at them.
** The producers have openly stated that Regina is by far their favorite character, and their first question about literally any plot idea from the writing staff is "How can we make it about Regina?" This really started to be a problem around Season 3 when the show started treating Regina as a hero, which made her seem like an EasilyForgiven KarmaHoudini to many fans. And it got even worse in Season 4 where she wanted to force the Author to write her a new happy ending. And with the 100th episode in Season 5 it's taken UpToEleven: you would expect the 100th episode to star the main character (Emma), but nope, it's Regina.[[note]]In their defence for this, Emma's day in the limelight is the last one in Season 5b. [[/note]] The finale does go some way into addressing fan concerns though.
** Hook has been accused of this because, due to his position as Emma's official love interest, he has gained a more prominent role in the stories than Henry, Snow, or Charming. In Season 5, every main character, including several who have no motivation to do so, choose to [[spoiler:risk traveling into the Underworld to bring him back to life, contradicting the previously established rule that the dead cannot be resurrected]]. They even bring Henry, a child, along with them on this dangerous journey. Not helping matters is that the resolution to that plot ended with [[spoiler: a literal DeusExMachina that revives him which occurs in an episode that kills Robin permanently and in a way that prevents revival. This occurred after it looked like Hook would stay dead.]]
** Finally, there's Rumplestiltskin / Mr. Gold, who some fans feel has long worn out his welcome by the fifth season and should be considered irredeemable at this point, but who not only continues to stay on the show and in important roles, but more often than not seems to [[KarmaHoudini get off scot-free for all of his evil deeds, if not flat-out rewarded with even MORE power.
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18th May '16 11:12:29 AM ANewMan
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** Sean Maguire in Season 5, particularly 5B where Robin Hood barely showed up or had any lines. [[spoiler: And then he died.]]
18th May '16 11:11:01 AM ANewMan
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** After [[spoiler: becoming half of an Official Couple with Emma during the Season 3 finale]], Hook is arguably undergoing shades of this. During Season 4 his primary purpose is going on coffee runs for Emma, babysitting Henry in a pinch, serving as a foil to both Emma and Charming, serving as [[spoiler: Rumple's puppet]], and [[spoiler: getting his Alternate Universe self killed at the hands of Charming, of all people]]. Having someone to love can make a character much more compassionate, gentle, and nurturing - but there comes a point where those traits go too far and the things which made you appealing to fans in the first place go by the wayside. With [[spoiler: Emma becoming the Dark One and disappearing into a void]], though, he's in a prime position to regain his Badass status by fighting with all he's worth to bring her back into the light.

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** After [[spoiler: becoming half of an Official Couple with Emma during the Season 3 finale]], Hook is arguably undergoing shades of this. During Season 4 his primary purpose is going on coffee runs for Emma, babysitting Henry in a pinch, serving as a foil to both Emma and Charming, serving as [[spoiler: Rumple's puppet]], and [[spoiler: getting his Alternate Universe self killed at the hands of Charming, of all people]]. Having someone to love can make a character much more compassionate, gentle, and nurturing - but there comes a point where those traits go too far and the things which made you appealing to fans in the first place go by the wayside. With Fixed in Season 5, first with him [[spoiler: Emma becoming as the Dark One One]], and disappearing into then later [[spoiler: doing a void]], though, he's lot of impressive heroic acts in a prime position the Underworld, and in the season finale actually getting to regain his Badass status by fighting stab someone (Mr. Hyde) with all he's worth to bring her back into his hook for the light.first time in ages, saving Jekyll's life in the process.]]
18th May '16 11:03:27 AM ANewMan
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** Subverted with [[spoiler: Peter Pan in "Save Henry". He goes down surprisingly easily '''twice''', and both times it turns out that he isn't finished after all. Further subverted two episodes later, when he's defeated for good: as it happens when he's showcasing just how powerful he truly is and his death is only brought about by the ultimate sacrifice from Rumpelstiltskin.]]

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** Subverted with [[spoiler: Peter Pan in "Save Henry". He goes down surprisingly easily '''twice''', and both times it turns out that he isn't finished after all. Further subverted two episodes later, when he's defeated for good: as it happens when he's showcasing just how powerful he truly is and his death is only brought about by the ultimate sacrifice from Rumpelstiltskin. Later played straight with him in the Underworld, as he underestimates just how much more clever and ruthless his son has become, with his manipulations failing miserably.]]
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