History YMMV / OnceUponATime

1st Feb '16 10:11:18 AM Pren
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** Tinkerbell hasn't been seen since the Neverland Arc.
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** Tinkerbell hasn't been seen since the Neverland Arc. In fairness her actress is now quite busy as the lead star of ''Series/{{IZombie}}'', though that didn't stop her co-star in the show David Anders from making a brief return as Dr. Whale.
29th Jan '16 12:40:59 AM jormis29
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** Rapunzel, considering the success of ''Film/{{Tangled}}''. Instead she was just reduced to a role that could easily be played by a generic princess.
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** Rapunzel, considering the success of ''Film/{{Tangled}}''.''Disney/{{Tangled}}''. Instead she was just reduced to a role that could easily be played by a generic princess.
23rd Jan '16 8:08:51 PM EMY3K
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*** Challenging Rumple to a duel when he was a cripple. There was no way Rumple could have won that fight. WordOfGod is that Hook would have killed him. There's also the fact that the duel was over Milah, who Hook implied would be gang-raped if he didn't fight. The revelation that Milah was there of her own free will somehow makes it worse. To Hook's credit, he later felt remorse over this.

*** [[spoiler:Selling out Bae, the son of the woman he loved, to the Lost Boys. The tragic thing about this one is that they were genuinely bonding. Hook started out using him for information to kill Rumple, but they bonded over being abandoned and almost became a family. It all went to hell when Bae found out that Milah left his family for Hook and refused to be on the ship any longer. Rather than let him go, Hook sells Bae for his own safety and that of his crew.]] Though, [[MyGreatestFailure he does genuinely regret this]] and influenced his decision to not flee a doomed Storybrooke in the second season finale.]]. Oddly, it didn't seem to influence his actions the next season. *** Trying to send {{spoiler:to hell [[DisportionateRetribution because he was angry at Emma]] for making him the Dark One against his will. Murdering [[spoiler:Merlin in order to cast the Dark Curse, cursing Storybrooke in order to bring the Dark Ones there.}}
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*** [[spoiler:Selling out Bae, the son of the woman he loved, to the Lost Boys. The tragic thing about this one is that they were genuinely bonding. Hook started out using him for information to kill Rumple, but they bonded over being abandoned and almost became a family. It all went to hell when Bae found out that Milah left his family for Hook and refused to be on the ship any longer. Rather than let him go, Hook sells Bae for his own safety and that of his crew.]] Though, [[MyGreatestFailure he does genuinely regret this]] and influenced his decision to not flee a doomed Storybrooke in the second season finale.]]. Oddly, it didn't seem to influence his actions much the next half season. *** Trying to send {{spoiler:to [[spoiler:to hell [[DisportionateRetribution because he was angry at Emma]] for making him the Dark One against his will. Murdering [[spoiler:Merlin in order to cast the Dark Curse, cursing Storybrooke in order to bring the Dark Ones there.}}]] *** The reveal that he apparently keeps momentous of people he's killed for petty reasons, like drinking his rum.
23rd Jan '16 7:58:08 PM EMY3K
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Nothing justifies verbal abuse. Not even being drunk.
*** Trying to send {{spoiler:to hell [[DisportionateRetribution because he was angry at Emma]] for making him the Dark One against his will.}}
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*** Trying to send {{spoiler:to hell [[DisportionateRetribution because he was angry at Emma]] for making him the Dark One against his will.}} Murdering [[spoiler:Merlin in order to cast the Dark Curse, cursing Storybrooke in order to bring the Dark Ones there.}} *** Murdering his father and abandoning his half-brother.

** Milah, while far from a nice person, is often considered a flat-out evil bitch who ''deserved'' to be murdered in cold blood by her ex-husband even though he's even more morally bankrupt than her and abandoned his son in a worse way than she did. Not to mention the insistence that she was a routinely abusive wife to Rumple even though all we have on screen to go by is one arguably justified outburst and one incident when she was drunk, thus more prone to saying things without holding back.
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** Milah, while far from a nice person, is often considered a flat-out evil bitch who ''deserved'' to be murdered in cold blood by her ex-husband even though he's he later became even more morally bankrupt than her and abandoned would ironically abandon his son in a worse way than she did. Not did. That being said, allowing Rumple to mention the insistence think that she would be gang-raped and killed by pirates for ten years was a routinely abusive wife to Rumple even though all we have on screen to go by is one arguably justified outburst and one incident when she was drunk, thus more prone to saying things without holding back.incredibly cruel.
23rd Jan '16 7:11:55 PM EMY3K
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** Zelena and [[spoiler:Gold. She keeps him ''locked up'' and gets ''way'' too close to him.]]
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** Squickily enough, considering the rape implications, Zelena and [[spoiler:Gold. She keeps him ''locked up'' and gets ''way'' too close to him.]]

** Captain Hook.
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** Captain Hook.Hook, to some.

* MisaimedFandom: "A lust for power above all else will ultimately destroy you" is a message the show has worked very hard to cultivate. It's written all over the character arcs of Rumple, Regina and Cora, all power-obsessed characters who were at their happiest when they gave up their power and focused on what was truly important (their children, to give the most obvious example). [[spoiler: Cora's last lines were even the [[StealthPun heart-breaking]] realization that being able to love Regina would've been all that she needed to be fulfilled, and everything she did was for nothing.]] The problem is, some fans still root for them to get the power they seek/were seeking, because they're all so much more ''entertaining'' when they're evil. It can sometimes fall into DoNotDoThisCoolThing territory when we get a string of episode depicting Regina or Cora being fabulous evil bitches, or flashbacks of Rumple cranking up the LargeHam and [[MagnificentBastard gleefully manipulating everyone]].
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* MisaimedFandom: "A lust for power above all else will ultimately destroy you" is a message the show has worked very hard to cultivate. It's written all over the character arcs of Rumple, Regina and Cora, all power-obsessed characters who were at their happiest when they gave up their power and focused on what was truly important (their children, to give the most obvious example). [[spoiler: Cora's last lines were even the [[StealthPun heart-breaking]] realization that being able to love Regina would've been all that she needed to be fulfilled, and everything she did was for nothing.]] The problem is, some fans still root for them to get the power they seek/were seeking, because they're all so much more ''entertaining'' when they're evil. It can sometimes fall into DoNotDoThisCoolThing territory when we get a string of episode depicting Regina or Cora being fabulous evil bitches, Hook being a dashing pirate, or flashbacks of Rumple cranking up the LargeHam and [[MagnificentBastard gleefully manipulating everyone]].

*** To start with a disagreeable pattern, [[spoiler:ripping out Milah's heart]], whatever your opinion on whether [[spoiler:she had a right to seek her own happiness or should have stayed with a family who loved her]]. Though that one can also come across as a crime of passion and he really only begins to lose control when he calls her out for abandoning Bae, though he doesn't opt for murder until she says she loves Hook over him. *** Trapping the defenseless apprentice into the hat. Also, using Hook, who wanted to be removed of his hand that compels him to regress to his old ways, to do this and blackmails him with it if he ever reveals the truth to Belle about switching the real dagger with the fake dagger and [[KickTheDog tells Hook that the hand wasn't cursed at all and that he did them by himself]], calling it his true nature, and while Hook did bring it on himself for blackmailing Rumple in the first place, at least Hook is genuinely trying to change. *** Using Emma's trust to [[spoiler:get her to be sucked inside the hat so that he can receive her powers was really pricky. Even when she's the mother of one of the two people he cares about, he still doesn't relent. Double points for chaining Hook to a fence so that he's helpless to stop it, and then mocking him by drawing a similarity to when he was helpless to save Milah from being killed.]] *** [[spoiler:Trying to kill Hook by crushing his heart [[KickTheDog in front]] [[ForcedToWatch of Emma]].]]
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*** To start with a disagreeable pattern, [[spoiler:ripping out Milah's heart]], whatever your opinion on whether [[spoiler:she had a right to seek her own happiness or should have stayed with a family who loved her]]. Though that one can also come across as a crime of passion and he really only begins to lose control when he calls her out for abandoning Bae, though he doesn't opt for murder until she says she loves Hook over him. Bae. *** Trapping the defenseless apprentice into the hat. Also, using Hook, who wanted to be removed of his hand that compels him to regress to his old ways, to do this and blackmails him with it if he ever reveals the truth to Belle about switching the real dagger with the fake dagger and [[KickTheDog [[KickTheSonOfABitch tells Hook that the hand wasn't cursed at all and that he did them by himself]], calling it his true nature, and while nature. To be fair, Hook did bring it brought that on himself for blackmailing Rumple by trying to blackmail him in the first place, at least Hook is genuinely trying to change. place. *** Using Emma's trust to [[spoiler:get her to be sucked inside the hat so that he can receive her powers was really pricky. Even when she's the mother of one of the two people he cares about, he still doesn't relent. Double points for chaining Hook to a fence so that he's helpless to stop it, and then mocking him by drawing a similarity to when he was helpless to save Milah from being killed.]] *** [[spoiler:Trying it. Trying to kill Hook by crushing his heart [[KickTheDog in front]] [[ForcedToWatch of Emma]].Emma. Although, the severity of these are greatly lessened when it's revealed that the darkness had nearly consumed him.]]

*** Some Sleeping Hook shippers were put off by Hook [[spoiler:stealing Aurora's heart [[KickTheDog while she was unconscious]]. Some viewers ''started'' shipping the two because of that scene. Some consider this a subversion, as Hook also ends up [[PetTheDog saving her heart]] when it's about to be lost forever.]] *** [[spoiler:Selling out Bae, the son of the woman he loved, to the Lost Boys. The tragic thing about this one is that they were genuinely bonding. Hook started out using him for information to kill Rumple, but they bonded over being abandoned and almost became a family. It all went to hell when Bae found out that Milah left his family for Hook and refused to be on the ship any longer. Rather than let him go, Hook sells Bae for his own safety and that of his crew.]] Though, [[MyGreatestFailure he does genuinely regret this]] and influenced his decision to not flee a doomed Storybrooke in the second season finale.
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*** Some Sleeping Hook shippers A lot of people were put off by Hook [[spoiler:stealing Aurora's heart [[KickTheDog while she was unconscious]]. Some viewers ''started'' shipping the two because of that scene. Some (mostly shippers) consider this a subversion, as Hook also ends up [[PetTheDog saving her heart]] when it's about to be lost forever.]] *** Helping to trap Emma, Snow, Aurora and Mulan in a cage that was meant to hold the Dark One, and then calling Emma "dried up and useless" before leaving them to death by exposure. *** [[spoiler:Selling out Bae, the son of the woman he loved, to the Lost Boys. The tragic thing about this one is that they were genuinely bonding. Hook started out using him for information to kill Rumple, but they bonded over being abandoned and almost became a family. It all went to hell when Bae found out that Milah left his family for Hook and refused to be on the ship any longer. Rather than let him go, Hook sells Bae for his own safety and that of his crew.]] Though, [[MyGreatestFailure he does genuinely regret this]] and influenced his decision to not flee a doomed Storybrooke in the second season finale.]]. Oddly, it didn't seem to influence his actions the next season. *** Trying to send {{spoiler:to hell [[DisportionateRetribution because he was angry at Emma]] for making him the Dark One against his will.}}
23rd Jan '16 4:11:04 PM EMY3K
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Given that the rest of the infor on the wanted poster is inaccurate, it's safe to assume that the birthdate it gave Neal was as well. Emma and Neal could very well be the same age physically, given that Bae spent 300 years frozen in time.
*** There is also the implication that she suffered from depression.
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*** There is also the implication to some that she suffered from depression.

** Neal/[[spoiler:Baelfire]]: Is he a sleazy {{Ephebophile}} who never really cared about Emma and discarded her once she stopped being useful, a HeroicNeutral character who ''did'' love her but let his fears overcome him, or a troubled man who just keeps making bad decisions despite his good intentions? [[spoiler:Like father, like son?]]
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** Neal/[[spoiler:Baelfire]]: Is he a sleazy {{Ephebophile}} sleazeball who never really cared about Emma and discarded her once she stopped being useful, a HeroicNeutral Heroic character who ''did'' love her but let his fears overcome him, or a troubled man who just keeps making bad decisions despite his good intentions? [[spoiler:Like father, like son?]]son?]].
16th Jan '16 2:31:58 PM Seraphine
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Toward the end of season 2, the crew got a lot of grief over [[spoiler:Greg and Tamara's "anti-magic" gear, especially Tamara's taser incapacitating a ''wooden'' August]]. The season 3 premiere patches this up by revealing that [[spoiler:unbeknownst to them, it all worked due to Peter Pan's magic]].
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: AuthorsSavingThrow: ** Toward the end of season 2, the crew got a lot of grief over [[spoiler:Greg and Tamara's "anti-magic" gear, especially Tamara's taser incapacitating a ''wooden'' August]]. The season 3 premiere patches this up by revealing that [[spoiler:unbeknownst to them, it all worked due to Peter Pan's magic]].

** Regina gets this as well. Mainly because despite all the [[{{MoralEventHorizon}} awful, unforgivable things the Queen has done]], Lana Parrilla can make a face like a kicked puppy dog, and lately had scenes revealing [[JerkassWoobie she always felt she had some reason to do so]]. Even ''she'' wears leather pants. Its notable that the WMG on this site's first two Regina entries are about one of her first big on-screen KickTheDog moments ([[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale raping Graham]]) and rationalizing how she's not to blame (either theorizing that she didn't actually do it, or that she did it without realizing what he was doing).
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** Regina gets this as well. Mainly because despite all the [[{{MoralEventHorizon}} [[MoralEventHorizon awful, unforgivable things the Queen has done]], Lana Parrilla can make a face like a kicked puppy dog, and lately had scenes revealing [[JerkassWoobie she always felt she had some reason to do so]]. Even ''she'' wears leather pants. Its notable that the WMG on this site's first two Regina entries are about one of her first big on-screen KickTheDog moments ([[DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale raping Graham]]) and rationalizing how she's not to blame (either theorizing that she didn't actually do it, or that she did it without realizing what he was doing).

** In "The Thing You Love Most", Regina taunts her friend Maleficient: "LoveIsAWeakness, Maleficent. I thought you knew that". [[spoiler: It turns out that Maleficient was pregnant at time and keeping her daughter safe was one of the reasons she didn't want to give the Dark Curse]].
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** In "The Thing You Love Most", Regina taunts her friend Maleficient: "LoveIsAWeakness, Maleficent. I thought you knew that". [[spoiler: It turns out that Maleficient Maleficent was pregnant at time and keeping her daughter safe was one of the reasons she didn't want to give the Dark Curse]].

** Mary Margaret repeatedly has to apologize to Regina for having killed the latter mother's Cora despite the fact that she did it to protect her familly. When Emma suggests later that she did the right thing, she just responds that she did "because it was easy" and we are supposed to agree. Yet again there wasn't any other options available at time since Cora was seconds about to kill Rumplestilskin.
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** Mary Margaret repeatedly has to apologize to Regina for having killed the latter mother's Cora despite the fact that she did it to protect her familly.family. When Emma suggests later that she did the right thing, she just responds that she did "because it was easy" and we are supposed to agree. Yet again there wasn't any other options available at time since Cora was seconds about to kill Rumplestilskin.

* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: Snow going through with Cora's murder. [[spoiler:Well, eventually she does try to stop it, but too late.]]
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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: ** Snow going through with Cora's murder. [[spoiler:Well, eventually she does try to stop it, but too late.]]

** Would you believe, of all people, that Peter Pan is a pretty big one as well? He is a master of psychological manipulation and long-term planning, and he comes incredibly close to acheiving victory ''twice'', with only [[spoiler: Emma and Regina's power as mothers and then Rumple's HeroicSacrifice]] being able to stop him.
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** Would you believe, of all people, that Peter Pan is a pretty big one as well? He is a master of psychological manipulation and long-term planning, and he comes incredibly close to acheiving achieving victory ''twice'', with only [[spoiler: Emma and Regina's power as mothers and then Rumple's HeroicSacrifice]] being able to stop him.

** The Blind Witch, who is very much like the Pale Man from PansLabyrinth, should be absolutely terrifying. Except that she's played by [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Anya]] and talks as if she's always orgasming.
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** The Blind Witch, who is very much like the Pale Man from PansLabyrinth, ''Film/PansLabyrinth'', should be absolutely terrifying. Except that she's played by [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Anya]] and talks as if she's always orgasming.

*** And during that aforementioned incident, we have [[SarcasmMode an incredibly suspenseful, action packed sequence]] involving Hook attempting to kidnap Henry [[spoiler: while under Rumple's control]]. Unfortunately for our favorite guyliner-toting swashbuckler, Henry is all too prepared for someone to betray him. After a series of childish taunts and comebacks, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5tRMK9VffA Hook is at his wit's end and breaks in with a magic potion]] - only to fall victim to a trap that makes [[HomeAlone Macauley Culkin's handiwork]] look like a Nobel prize-winning exercise in engineering. What ''really'' pushes it into Narm territory is the way Hook flies in the air and lands on his ass in the most unrealistic and un-badass way possible, followed immediately by a smash cut to his ridiculously over the top grimace while Henry dashes out. And once Will enters the picture - well, you've got one of the Narmiest moments in a series defined by [[NarmCharm Narm Charm]]!
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*** And during that aforementioned incident, we have [[SarcasmMode an incredibly suspenseful, action packed sequence]] involving Hook attempting to kidnap Henry [[spoiler: while under Rumple's control]]. Unfortunately for our favorite guyliner-toting swashbuckler, Henry is all too prepared for someone to betray him. After a series of childish taunts and comebacks, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5tRMK9VffA Hook is at his wit's end and breaks in with a magic potion]] - only to fall victim to a trap that makes [[HomeAlone [[Film/HomeAlone Macauley Culkin's handiwork]] look like a Nobel prize-winning exercise in engineering. What ''really'' pushes it into Narm territory is the way Hook flies in the air and lands on his ass in the most unrealistic and un-badass way possible, followed immediately by a smash cut to his ridiculously over the top grimace while Henry dashes out. And once Will enters the picture - well, you've got one of the Narmiest moments in a series defined by [[NarmCharm Narm Charm]]!NarmCharm!

* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Princess Abigail in the Enchanted Forest. In her initial appearances she's presented as a DisposableFiancee and FlatCharacter. Then a later episode reveals that she doesn't want the marriage to David either and her own true love Frederick was turned to gold saving her father's life. After David helps her, she helps him try to find Snow White.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: ** Princess Abigail in the Enchanted Forest. In her initial appearances she's presented as a DisposableFiancee and FlatCharacter. Then a later episode reveals that she doesn't want the marriage to David either and her own true love Frederick was turned to gold saving her father's life. After David helps her, she helps him try to find Snow White.

* SpiritualAdaptation: Memory tampering, world-hopping, and a kitchen sink of everyone from the {{Disney}} catalog along for the ride. Let's face it. This is the closest we get to an American, live-action version of ''{{VideoGame/KingdomHearts}}''.
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* SpiritualAdaptation: Memory tampering, world-hopping, and a kitchen sink of everyone from the {{Disney}} catalog along for the ride. Let's face it. This is the closest we get to an American, live-action version of ''{{VideoGame/KingdomHearts}}''.''VideoGame/KingdomHearts''.
13th Jan '16 9:09:38 PM ablackraptor
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Calling her a villain would be straight up Ron The Death Eater, especially since the only example given to support this that wasn't due to being manipulated was ''Emma'', not Snow, who did that.
** Snow White (and Prince Charming): Typical hero(es) who always wins in the end or subconsciously the actual villain(s)? Considering how Snow and Charming have actually wronged most of the supposed villains ([[spoiler: told Cora about Regina's love for the stable-boy, which him killed and led to Regina turning evil, saved Marian from being killed so she could be with Robin Hood, thus getting in the way of Regina finding her happy ending, caused Maleficent to lose her unborn child, etc.]]), is it really still right to call Snow White a "hero"? Or would the title "villain" be more fitting?
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** Snow White (and Prince Charming): Typical hero(es) who always wins TheParagon and the most morally righteous characters in the end Enchanted Forest but willing to do dark things when they need to, or subconsciously are they just deluded hypocrites given the actual villain(s)? Considering how Snow fact they've done some pretty morally reprehensible things themselves and Charming have actually wronged most of the supposed contributed to a few villains ([[spoiler: told Cora about going down the dark path, even if not to Regina's love for the stable-boy, which him killed and led to Regina turning evil, saved Marian from being killed so she could be level. Season 4 plays with Robin Hood, thus getting in the way of Regina finding her happy ending, caused Maleficent to lose her this, [[spoiler: after they're tricked into banishing Maleficent's unborn child, etc.]]), is it really still right child to call Snow White a "hero"? Or would the title "villain" World Without Magic, they made a conscious decision to ''strive'' to be more fitting?TheParagon as a means to atone for such.]]
13th Jan '16 10:10:37 AM AnneElliotsCat
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** The amount of time spent building up to the reveal that [[spoiler:Nimue was the first Dark One]] was jarring when a number of fans had figured it out so long ago that a lot them had forgotten it wasn't already canon.
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** The amount of time spent building up to the reveal that [[spoiler:Nimue was the first Dark One]] was jarring when a number of fans had figured it out so long ago that a lot them had forgotten it wasn't already canon. Of course, anyone who remembered their ''Mort d'Arthur'' could see it coming the minute her name appeared. You can't get much more canon than Malory.
13th Jan '16 9:54:44 AM AnneElliotsCat
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** Neal/[[spoiler:Baelfire]]: Is he a sleazy {{Ephebophile}} who never really cared about Emma and discarded her once she stopped being useful, a HeroicNeutral character who ''did'' love her but let his fears overcome him, or a troubled man who just keeps making bad decisions despite his good intentions?
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** Neal/[[spoiler:Baelfire]]: Is he a sleazy {{Ephebophile}} who never really cared about Emma and discarded her once she stopped being useful, a HeroicNeutral character who ''did'' love her but let his fears overcome him, or a troubled man who just keeps making bad decisions despite his good intentions?intentions? [[spoiler:Like father, like son?]]
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