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* MoralEventHorizon: Macgruder after Hugh's torture and MORESO after the Inuit village raid.
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** Arguably Forrest himself when killing many {{Designated Villain}}s (e.g., Liles) who just happen to work for the BigBad's company.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Liles. At worst, she (1) works as the BigBad's secretary and (2) has a bit of an ego. And yet the movie's logic = her deserving probably the most-CruelAndUnusualDeath here.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Forrest can be quite hard to root for. Not only does he teeter on the MoralEventHorizon (see above), but he also invokes ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption before even attempting to use his quite-damning evidence to take down the BigBad's company the lawful way.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Forrest can be quite hard to root for. Not only does he teeter on the MoralEventHorizon (see above), but he also invokes ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption before even attempting to use his quite-damning evidence to take down the BigBad's company the lawful way.
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* HoistByHisOwnPetard: A CreatorKiller variant. Creator/StevenSeagal was the director of the movie and the producer, and this was his first role that he was the unequivocal boss in order to share with the world his ideas of what makes a good film. Judging by the way the movie absolutely bombed, he's got no one to blame but himself and whatever [[YesMan Yes Men]] buffoons signed off on it.
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* AwesomeMusic: If there's one thing Seagal did right during production, it was hiring Creator/BasilPoledouris to score the movie (and the Seagal/Nasso Productions logo at the end). [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0heez-7wlE Here's a suite.]]
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* AwesomeMusic: If there's one thing Seagal Creator/StevenSeagal did right during production, it was hiring Creator/BasilPoledouris to score the movie (and the Seagal/Nasso Productions logo at the end). [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0heez-7wlE Here's a suite.]]
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* InferredHolocaust: As Film Brain pointed out, Forrest blowing up an oil rig will cause more environmental damage than letting it run normally. Also doubling as MoralDissonance.
* InferredHolocaust: As Film Brain pointed out, Forrest blowing up an oil rig will cause more environmental damage than letting it run normally. Also doubling as MoralDissonance.
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* HoistByHisOwnPetard: A CreatorKiller variant. Seagal Creator/StevenSeagal was the director of the movie and the producer, and this was his first role that he was the unequivocal boss in order to share with the world his ideas of what makes a good film. Judging by the way the movie absolutely bombed, he's got no one to blame but himself and whatever [[YesMan Yes Men]] buffoons signed off on it.
* InferredHolocaust: As [[WebVideo/BadMovieBeatdown FilmBrain Brain]] pointed out, Forrest blowing up an oil rig will cause more environmental damage than letting it run normally. Also doubling as MoralDissonance.
* InferredHolocaust: As [[WebVideo/BadMovieBeatdown Film
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*** In particular, R. Lee Ermey's mixed metaphor-laden praise of Forrest. Everything out of his mouth in this scene just comes across as CharacterShilling, and none of it makes the slightest bit of sense - particularly the pesos comment.
** The frequent offscreen voices shouting their support for Forrest and/or dislike for the villains, which were obviously added in post-production because Seagal needed his ego stroked even more.
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** "THERE IS NO I IN TEAM! [[CaptainObvious THERE IS T-E-A-M!!]]"
** The frequent offscreen voices shouting their support for Forrest and/or dislike for the villains, which were obviously added in post-production becauseSeagal Creator/StevenSeagal needed his ego stroked even more.
*** In particular,R. Lee Ermey's Creator/RLeeErmey's mixed metaphor-laden praise of Forrest. Everything out of his mouth in this scene just comes across as CharacterShilling, and none of it makes the slightest bit of sense - particularly the pesos comment.
** "THERE IS NO I IN TEAM! [[CaptainObvious THERE IS T-E-A-M!!]]"
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** Meanwhile, they brought in John C. [=McGinley=] pre-''Scrubs'' Creator/JohnCMcGinley pre-''Series/{{Scrubs}}'' to play...a psychotic torture expert? Although this last one is probably the most YMMV of the whole lot; to some, he's the best thing in this movie and genuinely creepy.
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*** In particular, R. Lee Ermey's mixed metaphor-laden praise of Forrest. Everything out of his mouth in this scene just comes across as CharacterShilling, and none of it makes the slightest bit of sense - particularly the pesos comment.
** Just about all of Seagal's "acting" qualifies, but the scene where he schools a bigoted bar patron has to take the cake. After beating the bigot to the point of bleeding, Forrest somehow makes the man realize the error of his ways in a drawn out attempt at drama while cheesy music swells in the background. This is all supposed to be taken completely seriously, mind you.
** Just about all of Seagal's "acting" qualifies, but the scene where he schools a bigoted bar patron has to take the cake. After beating the bigot to the point of bleeding, Forrest somehow makes the man realize the error of his ways in a drawn out attempt at drama while cheesy music swells in the background. This is all supposed to be taken completely seriously, mind you.
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* StarDerailingRole: Well, it might be a bit of a stretch to call Steven Seagal a ''star,'' per say, but there's a reason that Seagal's movies started to end up in the "Straight to DVD" bin after this one.
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** Also the movie's environmental message, which Creator/RogerEbert disparaged as "sanctimonious".
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** Meanwhile, they brought in John C. [=McGinley=] pre-Scrubs to play...a psychotic torture expert? Although this last one is probably the most YMMV of the lost; whole lot; to some, he's the best thing in this movie and genuinely creepy.
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* {{Jerkass}}: Seagal was reportedly an ''asshole'' during production of this film, going so far as to belittle '''MichaelCaine.''' As if [[SmallNameBigEgo Seagal's acting holds a candle to Caine's.]]
* JumpTheShark: Seagal's career was never the same after this movie flopped.
* JumpTheShark: Seagal's career was never the same after this movie flopped.
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* WTHCastingAgency: Aside from a Knighted British legend, they got R. Lee Ermey in this film. [[RLeeErmey R. Lee Ermey]]! They must've paid him a lot to put up with what he did.
** Well, seeing as Ermey's death in this film involves him basically walking up behind Seagal's character and allowing Seagal to get within arms reach of his shotgun...yeah. R. Lee Ermey, a former [[strike:Army]] Marine Corp sergeant, didn't take a clear shot right at Seagal's back.
** Well, seeing as Ermey's death in this film involves him basically walking up behind Seagal's character and allowing Seagal to get within arms reach of his shotgun...yeah. R. Lee Ermey, a former [[strike:Army]] Marine Corp sergeant, didn't take a clear shot right at Seagal's back.
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* WTHCastingAgency: Aside from a Knighted British legend, they got R. Lee Ermey in this film. [[RLeeErmey R. Lee Ermey]]! They must've paid him a lot to put up with what he did.
** Well, seeing asErmey]]! Ermey's death in this film involves him basically walking up behind Seagal's character and allowing Seagal to get within arms reach of his shotgun...yeah. R. Lee Ermey, yeah, they must have paid him a former [[strike:Army]] Marine Corp sergeant, lot to put up with that. Worse, they reportedly didn't take a clear shot right at Seagal's back.let him ad-lib, which is why several of his lines sound completely nonsensical, to the point of self-parody.
** Well, seeing as
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* HoistByHisOwnPetard: A CareerKiller variant. Seagal was the director of the movie and the producer, and this was his first role that he was the unequivocal boss in order to share with the world his ideas of what makes a good film. Judging by the way the movie absolutely bombed, he's got no one to blame but himself and whatever [[YesMan Yes Men]] buffoons signed off on it.
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* HoistByHisOwnPetard: A CareerKiller CreatorKiller variant. Seagal was the director of the movie and the producer, and this was his first role that he was the unequivocal boss in order to share with the world his ideas of what makes a good film. Judging by the way the movie absolutely bombed, he's got no one to blame but himself and whatever [[YesMan Yes Men]] buffoons signed off on it.
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* {{Jerkass}}: Seagal was reportedly an ''asshole'' during production of this film, going so far as to belittle '''MichaelCaine.''' As if [[SmallNameBigEgo Seagal's acting holds a candle to Caine's.]]
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* HoistByHisOwnPetard: A CareerKiller variant. Seagal was the director of the movie and the producer, and this was his first role that he was the unequivocal boss in order to share with the world his ideas of what makes a good film. Judging by the way the movie absolutely bombed, he's got no one to blame but himself and whatever [[YesMan Yes Men]] buffoons signed off on it.
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* StarDerailingRole: There's a reason that Seagal's movies started to end up in the "Straight to DVD" bin after this one.
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* StarDerailingRole: There's Well, it might be a bit of a stretch to call Steven Seagal a ''star,'' per say, but there's a reason that Seagal's movies started to end up in the "Straight to DVD" bin after this one.
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* ProtectionFromEditors: Probably because, for all intents and purposes, Seagal ''is'' the editor for this movie. He was the director and one of the producers.
* StarDerailingRole: There's a reason that Seagal's movies started to end up in the "Straight to DVD" bin after this one.
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* InferredHolocaust: As Film Brain pointed out, Forrest blowing up an oil rig will cause more environmental damage than letting it run normally. Also doubling as MoralDissonance.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Forrest comes off several times in the film as a psychopath. What Jennings is trying to do is wrong, but Forrest basically commits eco-terrorism on a grand scale, murdering several people in the facility, including people who are unarmed and unable to defend themselves. When told they have enough evidence to go to the police and stop the oil rig from beginning operation legally, Forrest blows off this option and simply blows the rig up. Which, when you think about it, would ''also'' have some pretty devastating effects on the environment Forrest was sworn to protect.
* BlackHoleSue: Forrest is an arguable example. No matter what happens, the crowd seems to always be on his side. An example of this is during the conference when Jennings lists Forrest as part of the sabotage conspirators, you can hear someone yell out "Bullshit," despite having no reason at all to do so! Not to mention, Masu's perfectly reasonable idea to go to the press with Aegis' dealings instead of confronting Jennings is immediately shot down.
* BlackHoleSue: Forrest is an arguable example. No matter what happens, the crowd seems to always be on his side. An example of this is during the conference when Jennings lists Forrest as part of the sabotage conspirators, you can hear someone yell out "Bullshit," despite having no reason at all to do so! Not to mention, Masu's perfectly reasonable idea to go to the press with Aegis' dealings instead of confronting Jennings is immediately shot down.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Forrest comes off several times in the film as a psychopath. What Jennings is trying to do is wrong, but Forrest basically commits eco-terrorism on a grand scale, murdering several people in the facility, including people who are unarmed and unable to defend themselves. When told they have enough evidence to go to the police and stop the oil rig from beginning operation legally, Forrest blows off this option and simply blows the rig up. Which, when you think about it, would ''also'' have some pretty devastating effects on the environment Forrest was sworn to protect.
* BlackHoleSue: Forrest is an arguable example. No matter what happens, the crowd seems to always be on his side. An example of this is during the conference when Jennings lists Forrest as part of the sabotage conspirators, you can hear someone yell out "Bullshit," despite having no reason at all to do so!Not to mention, Also, Masu's perfectly reasonable idea to go to the press with Aegis' Aegis's dealings instead of confronting Jennings is immediately shot down.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Forrest comes off several times in the film as a psychopath. What Jennings is trying to do is wrong, but Forrest basically commits eco-terrorism on a grand scale, murdering several people in the facility, including people who are unarmed and unable to defend themselves. When told they have enough evidence to go to the police and stop the oil rig from beginning operation legally, Forrest blows off this option and simply blows the rig up. Which, when you think about it, would ''also'' have some pretty devastating effects on the environment Forrest was sworn to protect.
* BlackHoleSue: Forrest is an arguable example. No matter what happens, the crowd seems to always be on his side. An example of this is during the conference when Jennings lists Forrest as part of the sabotage conspirators, you can hear someone yell out "Bullshit," despite having no reason at all to do so! Not to mention, Masu's perfectly reasonable idea to go to the press with Aegis' dealings instead of confronting Jennings is immediately shot down.
* BlackHoleSue: Forrest is an arguable example. No matter what happens, the crowd seems to always be on his side. An example of this is during the conference when Jennings lists Forrest as part of the sabotage conspirators, you can hear someone yell out "Bullshit," despite having no reason at all to do so! Not to mention, Masu's perfectly reasonable idea to go to the press with Aegis' dealings instead of confronting Jennings is immediately shot down.
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** The frequent offscreen voices shouting their support for Forrest and/or dislike for the villains, which were obviously added in post-production because Seagal needed his ego stroked even more.
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The film could very easily be re-cut with Forrest as the villain. He murders several people on Jenning's oil facility, including people who are unarmed and defenseless, and blows up their entire oil rig in a grand act of eco-terrorism.
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* BlackHoleSue: Forrest is an arguable example. No matter what happens, the crowd seems to always be on his side. An example of this is during the conference when Jennings lists Forrest as part of the sabotage conspirators, you can hear someone yell out "Bullshit," despite having no reason at all to do so! Not to mention, Masu's perfectly reasonable idea to go to the press with Aegis' dealings instead of confronting Jennings is immediately shot down.
* DesignatedHero: Forrest's actions are essentially eco-terrorism and he passes over several reasonable chances to show mercy or defeat his enemies without violence for no clear reason. At the end of the film, he outright murders the unarmed and defenseless antagonist.
* DesignatedHero: Forrest's actions are essentially eco-terrorism and he passes over several reasonable chances to show mercy or defeat his enemies without violence for no clear reason. At the end of the film, he outright murders the unarmed and defenseless antagonist.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Hugh's torture scene. An old man is bound to a chair and his fingers broken with a whale bone and later a pipe cutter is used on him. Part of this scene, according to [[WebVideo/BadMovieBeatdown Film Brain]], is cut from the UK release, and when he says that the scene is better trimmed, he's right, since enough of the scene played out still gives us what we need to hate the characters.
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* NightmareFuel: Hugh's torture scene. An old man is bound to a chair and his fingers broken with a whale bone and later a pipe cutter is used on him. Part of this scene, according to [[WebVideo/BadMovieBeatdown Film Brain]], is cut from the UK release, and when he says that the scene is better trimmed, he's right, since enough of the scene played out still gives us what we need to hate the characters.
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** Well, seeing as Ermey's death in this film involves him basically walking up behind Seagal's character and allowing Seagal to get within arms reach of his shotgun...yeah. R. Lee Ermey, a former [[strike:Army]] Marine Corp sergeant, didn't take a clear shot right at Seagal's back.
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** Well, seeing as Ermey's death in this film involves him basically walking up behind Seagal's character and allowing Seagal to get within arms reach of his shotgun...yeah. R. Lee Ermey, a former [[strike:Army]] Marine Corp sergeant, didn't take a clear shot right at Seagal's back.back.
** Meanwhile, they brought in John C. McGinley pre-Scrubs to play...a psychotic torture expert?
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Hugh's torture scene. An old man is bound to a chair and his fingers broken with a whale bone and later a pipe cutter is used on him. Part of this scene, according to FilmBrain, [[WebOriginal/BadMovieBeatdown Film Brain]], is cut from the UK release, and when he says that the scene is better trimmed, he's right, since enough of the scene played out still gives us what we need to hate the characters.