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* In the mini story"transmutation" it is revealed that silver as in the games is a woodie of the jerkass variant,[[spoiler: being even worse:born to giovanni and athena,his mother only granted him as a way to have influence over giovanni only for him to only choose team rocket over her own son leaving him with feelings of abandonment,his mother was no better either as she was emotionally neglectful to leave him alone for much of his childhood,when he confronts his father he relieves himself of multiple scars on his forearm leaving silver implicitly self righteous
Angry, grumpy and violent as silver is, he obviously comes from a place of pain]].
Angry, grumpy and violent as silver is, he obviously comes from a place of pain]].
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* In the mini story"transmutation" it is revealed that silver as in the games is a woodie of the jerkass variant,[[spoiler: being even worse:born to giovanni and athena,his mother only granted him as a way to have influence over giovanni only for him to only choose team rocket over her own son leaving him with feelings of abandonment,his mother was no better either as she was emotionally neglectful to leave him alone for much of his childhood,when he confronts his father he relieves himself of multiple scars on his forearm leaving silver implicitly self righteous
Angry,righteous ,Angry, grumpy and violent as silver is, he obviously comes from a place of pain]].
Angry,
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* Ethan is probably one of the worst,to be born with gender dysphoria with an authoritarian and traditionalist father,the day he tried to tell him his father reacts badly hitting him brutally to the point of breaking his jaw and exiling him from his home using a pokemon trip as an excuse,he constantly has feelings of inadequacy which causes relationship problems with his girlfriend lyra culminating in her leaving him for silver and a failed suicide attempt.
* In the mini story"transmutation" it is revealed that silver as in the games is a woodie of the jerkass variant, being even worse:born to giovanni and athena,his mother only granted him as a way to have influence over giovanni only for him to only choose team rocket over her own son leaving him with feelings of abandonment,his mother was no better either as she was emotionally neglectful to leave him alone for much of his childhood,when he confronts his father he relieves himself of multiple scars on his forearm leaving silver implicitly self righteous
Angry, grumpy and violent as silver is, he obviously comes from a place of pain.
* volkner in the mini-story "path of least resistance" is of the stoic variant,it is revealed that he comes from a broken family where his parents argue constantly and both cheated on each other which caused volkner to have multiple half siblings,during his teenage years he along with his(then)best friend befriended a weird kid named gill,until gill was exposed as gay suffering brutal bullying and flint did not jump to his defense leaving volkner to suffer because he was associated with gill,the story ends with volkner depressed due to gill's suicide,his family wasted his education money in a costly divorce and leaving him on the verge of suicide.
* In the mini story"transmutation" it is revealed that silver as in the games is a woodie of the jerkass variant, being even worse:born to giovanni and athena,his mother only granted him as a way to have influence over giovanni only for him to only choose team rocket over her own son leaving him with feelings of abandonment,his mother was no better either as she was emotionally neglectful to leave him alone for much of his childhood,when he confronts his father he relieves himself of multiple scars on his forearm leaving silver implicitly self righteous
Angry, grumpy and violent as silver is, he obviously comes from a place of pain.
* volkner in the mini-story "path of least resistance" is of the stoic variant,it is revealed that he comes from a broken family where his parents argue constantly and both cheated on each other which caused volkner to have multiple half siblings,during his teenage years he along with his(then)best friend befriended a weird kid named gill,until gill was exposed as gay suffering brutal bullying and flint did not jump to his defense leaving volkner to suffer because he was associated with gill,the story ends with volkner depressed due to gill's suicide,his family wasted his education money in a costly divorce and leaving him on the verge of suicide.
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* Ethan is probably one of the worst,to worst[[spoiler:to be born with gender dysphoria with an authoritarian and traditionalist father,the day he tried to tell him his father reacts badly hitting him brutally to the point of breaking his jaw and exiling him from his home using a pokemon trip as an excuse,he constantly has feelings of inadequacy which causes relationship problems with his girlfriend lyra culminating in her leaving him for silver and a failed suicide attempt.
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* In the mini story"transmutation" it is revealed that silver as in the games is a woodie of the jerkassvariant, variant,[[spoiler: being even worse:born to giovanni and athena,his mother only granted him as a way to have influence over giovanni only for him to only choose team rocket over her own son leaving him with feelings of abandonment,his mother was no better either as she was emotionally neglectful to leave him alone for much of his childhood,when he confronts his father he relieves himself of multiple scars on his forearm leaving silver implicitly self righteous
Angry, grumpy and violent as silver is, he obviously comes from a place ofpain.
pain]].
* volkner in the mini-story "path of least resistance" is of the stoicvariant,it variant,[[spoiler: it is revealed that he comes from a broken family where his parents argue constantly and both cheated on each other which caused volkner to have multiple half siblings,during his teenage years he along with his(then)best friend befriended a weird kid named gill,until gill was exposed as gay suffering brutal bullying and flint did not jump to his defense leaving volkner to suffer because he was associated with gill,the story ends with volkner depressed due to gill's suicide,his family wasted his education money in a costly divorce and leaving him on the verge of suicide.suicide]].
* In the mini story"transmutation" it is revealed that silver as in the games is a woodie of the jerkass
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* volkner in the mini-story "path of least resistance" is of the stoic
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* In the mini story "transmutation" story"transmutation" it is revealed that silver as in the games is a woodie of the jerkass variant, being even worse:born to giovanni and athena,his mother only granted him as a way to have influence over giovanni only for him to only choose team rocket over her own son leaving him with feelings of abandonment,his mother was no better either as she was emotionally neglectful to leave him alone for much of his childhood,when he confronts his father he relieves himself of multiple scars on his forearm leaving silver implicitly self righteous.
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Stoic Woobie volkner in the mini-story "path of least resistance" is of the stoic variant,it is revealed that he comes from a broken family where his parents argue constantly and both cheated on each other which caused volkner to have multiple half siblings,during his teenage years he along with his(then)best friend befriended a weird kid named gill,until gill was exposed as gay suffering brutal bullying and flint did not jump to his defense leaving volkner to suffer because he was associated with gill,the story ends with volkner depressed due to gill's suicide,his family wasted his education money in a costly divorce and leaving him on the verge of suicide.
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Stoic Woobie volkner in the mini-story "path of least resistance" is of the stoic variant,it is revealed that he comes from a broken family where his parents argue constantly and both cheated on each other which caused volkner to have multiple half siblings,during his teenage years he along with his(then)best friend befriended a weird kid named gill,until gill was exposed as gay suffering brutal bullying and flint did not jump to his defense leaving volkner to suffer because he was associated with gill,the story ends with volkner depressed due to gill's suicide,his family wasted his education money in a costly divorce and leaving him on the verge of suicide.
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Stoic Woobie volkner in the mini-story "path of least resistance" is of the stoic variant,it is revealed that he comes from a broken family where his parents argue constantly and both cheated on each other which caused volkner to have multiple half siblings,during his teenage years he along with his(then)best friend befriended a weird kid named gill,until gill was exposed as gay suffering brutal bullying and flint did not jump to his defense leaving volkner to suffer because he was associated with gill,the story ends with volkner depressed due to gill's suicide,his family wasted his education money in a costly divorce and leaving him on the verge of suicide.
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* Main / StoicWoobie in the mini-story "path of least resistance" is of the stoic variant,it is revealed that he comes from a broken family where his parents argue constantly and both cheated on each other which caused volkner to have multiple half siblings,during his teenage years he along with his(then)best friend befriended a weird kid named gill,until gill was exposed as gay suffering brutal bullying and flint did not jump to his defense leaving volkner to suffer because he was associated with gill,the story ends with volkner depressed due to gill's suicide,his family wasted his education money in a costly divorce and leaving him on the verge of suicide.
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* Main / StoicWoobie volkner in the mini-story "path of least resistance" is of the stoic variant,it is revealed that he comes from a broken family where his parents argue constantly and both cheated on each other which caused volkner to have multiple half siblings,during his teenage years he along with his(then)best friend befriended a weird kid named gill,until gill was exposed as gay suffering brutal bullying and flint did not jump to his defense leaving volkner to suffer because he was associated with gill,the story ends with volkner depressed due to gill's suicide,his family wasted his education money in a costly divorce and leaving him on the verge of suicide.
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* Volkner Main / StoicWoobie in the mini-story "path of least resistance" is of the stoic variant,it is revealed that he comes from a broken family where his parents argue constantly and both cheated on each other which caused volkner to have multiple half siblings,during his teenage years he along with his(then)best friend befriended a weird kid named gill,until gill was exposed as gay suffering brutal bullying and flint did not jump to his defense leaving volkner to suffer because he was associated with gill,the story ends with volkner depressed due to gill's suicide,his family wasted his education money in a costly divorce and leaving him on the verge of suicide.
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* TheWoobie: Jasmine has a lot of problems and goes through all kinds of crap both in the main story and in flashbacks. [[spoiler: The story also does a lot to deconstruct this idea. Jasmine's friends put her on a pedestal and perceive her as being emotionally fragile to the point where they come up with a convoluted scheme to try and help her. When it backfires, she's even worse off than she was at the start of the story.]]
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* TheWoobie: Jasmine TheWoobie:
*Jasmine has a lot of problems and goes through all kinds of crap both in the main story and in flashbacks. [[spoiler: The story also does a lot to deconstruct this idea. Jasmine's friends put her on a pedestal and perceive her as being emotionally fragile to the point where they come up with a convoluted scheme to try and help her. When it backfires, she's even worse off than she was at the start of the story.]]]]
*Ethan is probably one of the worst,to be born with gender dysphoria with an authoritarian and traditionalist father,the day he tried to tell him his father reacts badly hitting him brutally to the point of breaking his jaw and exiling him from his home using a pokemon trip as an excuse,he constantly has feelings of inadequacy which causes relationship problems with his girlfriend lyra culminating in her leaving him for silver and a failed suicide attempt.
*In the mini story "transmutation" it is revealed that silver as in the games is a woodie of the jerkass variant, being even worse:born to giovanni and athena,his mother only granted him as a way to have influence over giovanni only for him to only choose team rocket over her own son leaving him with feelings of abandonment,his mother was no better either as she was emotionally neglectful to leave him alone for much of his childhood,when he confronts his father he relieves himself of multiple scars on his forearm leaving silver implicitly self righteous.
Angry, grumpy and violent as silver is, he obviously comes from a place of pain.
*Volkner in the mini-story "path of least resistance" is of the stoic variant,it is revealed that he comes from a broken family where his parents argue constantly and both cheated on each other which caused volkner to have multiple half siblings,during his teenage years he along with his(then)best friend befriended a weird kid named gill,until gill was exposed as gay suffering brutal bullying and flint did not jump to his defense leaving volkner to suffer because he was associated with gill,the story ends with volkner depressed due to gill's suicide,his family wasted his education money in a costly divorce and leaving him on the verge of suicide.
*Jasmine has a lot of problems and goes through all kinds of crap both in the main story and in flashbacks. [[spoiler: The story also does a lot to deconstruct this idea. Jasmine's friends put her on a pedestal and perceive her as being emotionally fragile to the point where they come up with a convoluted scheme to try and help her. When it backfires, she's even worse off than she was at the start of the story.
*Ethan is probably one of the worst,to be born with gender dysphoria with an authoritarian and traditionalist father,the day he tried to tell him his father reacts badly hitting him brutally to the point of breaking his jaw and exiling him from his home using a pokemon trip as an excuse,he constantly has feelings of inadequacy which causes relationship problems with his girlfriend lyra culminating in her leaving him for silver and a failed suicide attempt.
*In the mini story "transmutation" it is revealed that silver as in the games is a woodie of the jerkass variant, being even worse:born to giovanni and athena,his mother only granted him as a way to have influence over giovanni only for him to only choose team rocket over her own son leaving him with feelings of abandonment,his mother was no better either as she was emotionally neglectful to leave him alone for much of his childhood,when he confronts his father he relieves himself of multiple scars on his forearm leaving silver implicitly self righteous.
Angry, grumpy and violent as silver is, he obviously comes from a place of pain.
*Volkner in the mini-story "path of least resistance" is of the stoic variant,it is revealed that he comes from a broken family where his parents argue constantly and both cheated on each other which caused volkner to have multiple half siblings,during his teenage years he along with his(then)best friend befriended a weird kid named gill,until gill was exposed as gay suffering brutal bullying and flint did not jump to his defense leaving volkner to suffer because he was associated with gill,the story ends with volkner depressed due to gill's suicide,his family wasted his education money in a costly divorce and leaving him on the verge of suicide.
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Ed uploading nude pictures of a drunk Jasmine online is the point where he goes from "spurned guy with a crush" to "malicious and sociopathic stalker." However, since this is all revealed through flashbacks, it's unlikely that the audience had any sympathy for him when they learn this]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler: Ed uploading nude pictures of a drunk Jasmine online is the point where he goes from "spurned guy with a crush" to "malicious and sociopathic stalker." However, since this is all revealed through flashbacks, it's unlikely that the audience had any sympathy for him when they learn this]] this.]]
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* TheWoobie: Jasmine has a lot of problems and goes through all kinds of crap both in the main story and in flashbacks. [[spoiler: The story also does a lot to deconstruct this idea. Jasmine's friends put her on a pedestal and perceive her as being emotionally fragile to the point where they come up with a convoluted scheme to try and help her. When it backfires, she's even worse off then than she was at the start of the story.]]
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* TheWoobie: Jasmine has a lot of problems and goes through all kinds of crap both in the main story and in flashbacks. [[spoiler: The story also does a lot to deconstruct this idea. Jasmine's friends put her on a pedestal and perceive her as being emotionally fragile to the point where they come up with a convoluted scheme to try and help her. When it backfires, she's even worse off then she was at the start of the story.]]]]
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* IdiotPlot: [[spoiler: Part 4 plays this for drama. The entire plan cooked up by Morty and Erika to help Jasmine with her problems is incredibly convoluted, greatly misunderstands what Jasmine's issues are, and outright dangerous from a mental health perspective in its manipulation of someone with trust issues and depression. Even in universe, several characters question its logic well before Jasmine learns what's going on.]]
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* ShockingMoments: Jasmine's final battle with [[spoiler: Warren]] is one huge moment after another. [[spoiler: Part 4 as well, once the bombshells start dropping]] dropping.]]
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* HolyShitQuotient: Jasmine's final battle with [[spoiler: Warren]] is one huge moment after another. [[spoiler: Part 4 as well, once the bombshells start dropping]]
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* TheBechdelTest: Not so much about whether Olivine Romance passes the test or not, but in-universe, Jasmine demonstrates her shrewishness/prudery by complaining about the fact that her own friends only ever talk about relationships (and try dragging her into the conversation).
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* TheBechdelTest: Not so much about whether Olivine Romance passes the test or not, but in-universe, Jasmine demonstrates her shrewishness/prudery by complaining about the fact that her own friends only ever talk about relationships (and try dragging her into the conversation).
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* IdiotPlot: [[spoiler: Part 4 plays this for drama. The entire plan cooked up by Morty and Erika to help Jasmine with her problems is incredibly convoluted, greatly misunderstands what Jasmine's issues are, and outright dangerous from a mental health perspective in it's its manipulation of someone with trust issues and depression. Even in universe, several characters question it's its logic well before Jasmine learns what's going on.]]
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* IdiotPlot: [[spoiler: Part 4 plays this for drama. The entire plan cooked up by Morty and Erika to help Jasmine with her problems is incredibly convoluted, greatly misunderstands what Jasmine's issues are, and outright dangerous from a mental health perspective in it's manipulation of someone with trust issues and depression. Even in universe, several characters question it's logic well before Jasmine learns what's going on.]]
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* TheWoobie: Jasmine has a lot of problems and goes through all kinds of crap both in the main story and in flashbacks. [[spoiler: [[Deconstruction The story also does a lot to deconstruct this idea]].idea. Jasmine's friends put her on a pedestal and perceive her as being emotionally fragile to the point where they come up with a convoluted scheme to try and help her. When it backfires, she's even worse off then she was at the start of the story.]]
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*TheWoobie: Jasmine has a lot of problems and goes through all kinds of crap both in the main story and in flashbacks. [[spoiler: [[Deconstruction The story also does a lot to deconstruct this idea]]. Jasmine's friends put her on a pedestal and perceive her as being emotionally fragile to the point where they come up with a convoluted scheme to try and help her. When it backfires, she's even worse off then she was at the start of the story.]]
*TheWoobie: Jasmine has a lot of problems and goes through all kinds of crap both in the main story and in flashbacks. [[spoiler: [[Deconstruction The story also does a lot to deconstruct this idea]]. Jasmine's friends put her on a pedestal and perceive her as being emotionally fragile to the point where they come up with a convoluted scheme to try and help her. When it backfires, she's even worse off then she was at the start of the story.]]
