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--> '''Banner''' "Who else was I gonna mate with [[KissingCousins besides my first cousin?]] Jenny She-Hulk was the only woman out there who could take the damn pace!"

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--> '''Banner''' --->'''Banner''' "Who else was I gonna mate with [[KissingCousins besides my first cousin?]] Jenny She-Hulk was the only woman out there who could take the damn pace!"
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A future where supervillains have conquered America and the heroes are all but extinct....but the story focuses entirely on Wolverine's journey rather than exploring how America as a whole was affected by this.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A future where supervillains have [[FallenStatesOfAmerica conquered America America]] and the heroes are all but extinct....but the story focuses entirely on Wolverine's journey rather than exploring how America as a whole was affected by this.
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* FridgeHorror:
** When you think about it, the creation of the Hulk Gang probably isn't something Jenny was too crazy about.
** Hulk mentions "She-Hulk was the only woman out there who could take the damn pace!", so it's likely she wasn't the first he tried this with...
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A future where supervillains have conquered America and the heroes are all but extinct....but at the end we see just two supervillains in all the story.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A future where supervillains have conquered America and the heroes are all but extinct....but at the end we see just two supervillains in all the story.story focuses entirely on Wolverine's journey rather than exploring how America as a whole was affected by this.
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It's not the plot of the actual story, just the origin event. And it has a longer text saying why it's justified than the one saying it's idiot


* IdiotPlot: [[spoiler: Mysterio somehow overriding Wolverine's SuperSenses to trick him into slaughtering the other X-Men, despite the fact that half the X-Men could wipe the floor with him. Somewhat justified in that he took them by surprise and the X-Men were inclined to attempt to not kill Wolverine, which Mysterio lampshades, as well as the fact that Mysterio has been known to develop chemicals that work their way around super senses.]]
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--> '''Banner''' "Who else was I gonna mate with [[IncestIsRelative besides my first cousin?]] Jenny She-Hulk was the only woman out there who could take the damn pace!"

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--> '''Banner''' "Who else was I gonna mate with [[IncestIsRelative [[KissingCousins besides my first cousin?]] Jenny She-Hulk was the only woman out there who could take the damn pace!"
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A future where supervillains have conquered America and the heroes are all but extinct....but at the end we see just two supervillains in all the story.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: Something that nobody seems to deny is that the series ''looks'' amazing, with stellar work by Andrea Sorrentino that suits the series incredibly well.
* CompleteMonster:
** Even in this [[CrapsackWorld dark setting]], the [[GeniusBruiser Maestro]], a corrupt version of the ComicBook/IncredibleHulk from an alternate future, stands out as a particularly vile villain. Maestro arrives on Earth and takes over Hulk's brood of inbred children after Logan killed this world's version of Hulk. Maestro has the Hulk Gang take over a military base in the Yukon territories, killing all the guards there. Maestro also has one of the Hulk Gang, Billy Bob, [[YouHaveFailedMe killed for his incompetence]]. Maestro uses the base's resources to create several nuclear bombs. Maestro plans to use the Hulk Gang as [[SuicideAttack suicide bombers]] and [[NukeEm have them blow up several major cities]], destroying most of humanity. Maestro promises the Hulk Gang they will survive the blasts, but that is a lie, they will die along with most of humanity so that Maestro can rule over a [[AfterTheEnd post-nuclear-holocaust]] world. After Maestro's genocidal scheme is foiled and he is confronted by Logan and Hawkeye, Maestro attempts to set off a nuke, to take out everyone in the area, out of spite. After that defeat, the Maestro reappears later, having conquered a small Northern Canadian town, where Maestro kills anyone who opposes him and turns the women of the town into his [[SexSlave sex slaves]].
** [[ComicBook/BaronZemo Baron Helmut Zemo]] is [[AdaptationalVillainy presented as a far crueler villain]] than his 616 counterpart. Zemo was enraged that Hawkeye took away the ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}} from him, so in the lead up to the supervillain take over, Zemo strong-arms the Thunderbolts into betraying the Avengers. When the Avengers are ambushed by supervillains, the Thunderbolts turn against the Avengers and help the villains kill them. Zemo personally kills Black Widow in front of Hawkeye and only spares him because he thinks Hawkeye is worthless. In the future, Zemo is running a SuperSoldier program at the Weapon X facility for Red Skull, [[PlayingWithSyringes experimenting on people]]. His test subjects often become deformed and beg for death after Zemo is done with them. Eventually, Zemo succeeds and creates a new Captain Hydra, Zemo has him test out his abilities by having him kill several of Zemo's guards. Zemo also plans to kill all the scientists at the Weapon X facility, so no one can recreate his research.
** ''Old Man [[ComicBook/StarLord Quill]]'' miniseries: ComicBook/{{Galactus}} serves as the dark god of the [[CorruptChurch Church of Universal Truth]], which is led by his [[PsychoSupporter zealous servant]], the Matriarch. Galactus stole the power cosmic from the Silver Surfer, putting him into a coma in the process. Galactus than uses the power cosmic to create a machine to mind control people, [[MassHypnosis mentally enslaving people to fill the Church's ranks]]. Matriarch retains her free will and leads the Church's forces, attempting to subdue planets and lead Galactus to them so that [[PlanetEater he can devour them]]. The Matriarch attacks Peter Quill, providing a distraction so Galactus can devour the planet Spartax, killing everyone on it, including Quill's family. The Matriarch and the Church launch an attack on New Xander, home of the Nova Corps. When the Nova Corps seemingly defeats the Church, the Matriarch summons Galactus, so that he can devour that planet as well. When the Matriarch discovers most of Earth's heroes have been killed in the supervillain uprising, she informs Galactus, who is delighted to have a chance to devour Earth without interference.
* FandomRivalry: Between readers of ''Old Man Logan'' and ''All-New Wolverine''. A great deal of criticism of the latter series comes from fans of ''Old Man Logan'', particularly disparaging remarks about Logan being closer to the "Real Wolverine," while calling X-23 a rip-off or a pretender. The fact that ''All-New Wolverine'' has Laura swearing off of killing altogether, even further fuels arguments against the book. Others are point ''Old Man Logan's'' high sales as an indication that readers want "Real Logan" back and that X-23 can't sell a book. After ''[=ResurrXion=]'' announcements revealed that Old Man Logan would be appearing prominently in two team books (''X-Men Gold'' and ''Weapon X'') along with his continuing solo series, while Laura would only be appearing in ''All-New Wolverine''. An increasing point of contention among X-23 fans was the anticipation that taking on the Wolverine name would raise her profile in the comics and lead to increased exposure, while in practice Old Man Logan has instead received the attention, particularly in events. This has led to some backlash against the ''[=ResurrXion=]'' lineup, and even Logan appearing prominently in a teaser for the 2017 ''Secret Empire'' event. The announcement of a ''third'' ''[=ResurrXion=]'' team book prominently featuring Logan has not helped matters.
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The Old Man's [[WolverinePublicity increasing prominence]] in the post-''[=IvX=]'' X-Men books —- specifically the fact that in addition to his solo series, Logan will be appearing in ''three'' team books, along with a rumored Avengers roster spot after ''Secret Empire'' — has led to this sort of backlash from a part of the fanbase. It's not uncommon to see fans ask why Logan himself was killed off at all if the Old Man would be doing the exact same things, only wrinklier.
* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: Logan with a now weakening Healing Factor still being able to kick Kraven’s ass.
** Logan taking out Maestro by cutting his head off in #50.
* MoralEventHorizon: Some think Logan crossed it when he killed Black Butcher for something he didn't even do yet.
* ReplacementScrappy: Some fans see him as one for the original Logan, feeling since he acts so similar to the original than 616!Logan may well not have died to begin with.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** Logan's interactions with the superhero community aren't very explored despite him coming from a CrapsackWorld where most of the heroes have died, there are a few heroes who would've been close to Logan before their deaths that he never even appears on screen with and conversely its also a waste due to not seeing many characters reacting to Logan considering the fact when he arrived 616!Logan recently died and left many characters affected.
** Perhaps most egregious, Old Man Logan and Cyclops never meet. Logan named his son after this guy and would surely have some things to say about the direction his life took. Nope.
*** Similarly, Old Man Logan never interacts with Present day Banner who around this time had come back to life with the Devil Hulk at the wheel.
* TheWoobie: It's not hard to feel sorry for Logan when he's lost so much and is so lost in this new world. He himself isn't even sure if it's the past he remembers, and is just grasping at straws, looking for some kind of direction. He tries to kill the new Hulk, who only acts in self-defense and even wants to help Logan, but Logan just runs. He goes as far as to visit Hawkeye, since the two are friends in his timeline. But in the current universe? They've never even been close, so he's in for a rude awakening.
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[[folder: Dead Man Logan]]
* ArcFatigue: It's a 12 issue series where Logan returning to his own time only occurs halfway through.
* CompleteMonster: [[GreaterScopeVillain Sinister]] is revealed to be [[TheChessmaster the mastermind]] behind the plan that created the [[BadFuture dark future]] of the timeline, in which civil society was destroyed and replaced with supervillain-controlled fiefdoms, killing millions in the process. Sinister came up with the plan to unite the supervillains, kill all the superheroes and take over the world, and presented this plan to ComicBook/RedSkull. When Old Man Logan traveled to the past, trying to stop this dark future from taking place, Sinister, in the form of Miss Sinister, learns of the future. Wanting to ensure the Old Man Logan future comes to pass, Miss Sinister recruits ComicBook/{{Mysterio}}, hoping to use him to trick the superhero community into killing each other and takes her plans to Red Skull's daughter Sin, working with her to ensure this plan succeeds and helps Sin kill everyone who could stand in their way. After Logan defeats Miss Sinister in the past, Logan goes back to the future, where Sinister has once again taken the form of Mr. Sinister. Mr. Sinister has created a hit squad of ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} clones to do his bidding. Mr. Sinister sends these clones to kill anyone who prevents him from capturing Logan and Bruce Banner Jr.--Hulk's preteen son--massacring a gang of cannibals and Forge's encampment of refugees. Mr. Sinister wants to experiment on Logan and [[WouldHurtAChild Bruce]], so he can create an army of SuperSoldiers to conquer the world.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Old Man Logan and the original Logan meeting should've been a big deal .There's a lot to explore there and a lot that can be said. All it amounts to is Old Man Logan saying that Logan shouldn't let his guard down.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: A future where supervillains have conquered America and the heroes are all but extinct....but at the end we see just two supervillains in all the story.

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[[folder: Ongoing Series]]
* SugarWiki/AwesomeArt: Something that nobody seems to deny is that the series ''looks'' amazing, with stellar work by Andrea Sorrentino that suits the series incredibly well.
* CompleteMonster:
** Even in this [[CrapsackWorld dark setting]], the [[GeniusBruiser Maestro]], a corrupt version of the ComicBook/IncredibleHulk from an alternate future, stands out as a particularly vile villain. Maestro arrives on Earth and takes over Hulk's brood of inbred children after Logan killed this world's version of Hulk. Maestro has the Hulk Gang take over a military base in the Yukon territories, killing all the guards there. Maestro also has one of the Hulk Gang, Billy Bob, [[YouHaveFailedMe killed for his incompetence]]. Maestro uses the base's resources to create several nuclear bombs. Maestro plans to use the Hulk Gang as [[SuicideAttack suicide bombers]] and [[NukeEm have them blow up several major cities]], destroying most of humanity. Maestro promises the Hulk Gang they will survive the blasts, but that is a lie, they will die along with most of humanity so that Maestro can rule over a [[AfterTheEnd post-nuclear-holocaust]] world. After Maestro's genocidal scheme is foiled and he is confronted by Logan and Hawkeye, Maestro attempts to set off a nuke, to take out everyone in the area, out of spite. After that defeat, the Maestro reappears later, having conquered a small Northern Canadian town, where Maestro kills anyone who opposes him and turns the women of the town into his [[SexSlave sex slaves]].
** [[ComicBook/BaronZemo Baron Helmut Zemo]] is [[AdaptationalVillainy presented as a far crueler villain]] than his 616 counterpart. Zemo was enraged that Hawkeye took away the ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}} from him, so in the lead up to the supervillain take over, Zemo strong-arms the Thunderbolts into betraying the Avengers. When the Avengers are ambushed by supervillains, the Thunderbolts turn against the Avengers and help the villains kill them. Zemo personally kills Black Widow in front of Hawkeye and only spares him because he thinks Hawkeye is worthless. In the future, Zemo is running a SuperSoldier program at the Weapon X facility for Red Skull, [[PlayingWithSyringes experimenting on people]]. His test subjects often become deformed and beg for death after Zemo is done with them. Eventually, Zemo succeeds and creates a new Captain Hydra, Zemo has him test out his abilities by having him kill several of Zemo's guards. Zemo also plans to kill all the scientists at the Weapon X facility, so no one can recreate his research.
** ''Old Man [[ComicBook/StarLord Quill]]'' miniseries: ComicBook/{{Galactus}} serves as the dark god of the [[CorruptChurch Church of Universal Truth]], which is led by his [[PsychoSupporter zealous servant]], the Matriarch. Galactus stole the power cosmic from the Silver Surfer, putting him into a coma in the process. Galactus than uses the power cosmic to create a machine to mind control people, [[MassHypnosis mentally enslaving people to fill the Church's ranks]]. Matriarch retains her free will and leads the Church's forces, attempting to subdue planets and lead Galactus to them so that [[PlanetEater he can devour them]]. The Matriarch attacks Peter Quill, providing a distraction so Galactus can devour the planet Spartax, killing everyone on it, including Quill's family. The Matriarch and the Church launch an attack on New Xander, home of the Nova Corps. When the Nova Corps seemingly defeats the Church, the Matriarch summons Galactus, so that he can devour that planet as well. When the Matriarch discovers most of Earth's heroes have been killed in the supervillain uprising, she informs Galactus, who is delighted to have a chance to devour Earth without interference.
* FandomRivalry: Between readers of ''Old Man Logan'' and ''All-New Wolverine''. A great deal of criticism of the latter series comes from fans of ''Old Man Logan'', particularly disparaging remarks about Logan being closer to the "Real Wolverine," while calling X-23 a rip-off or a pretender. The fact that ''All-New Wolverine'' has Laura swearing off of killing altogether, even further fuels arguments against the book. Others are point ''Old Man Logan's'' high sales as an indication that readers want "Real Logan" back and that X-23 can't sell a book. After ''[=ResurrXion=]'' announcements revealed that Old Man Logan would be appearing prominently in two team books (''X-Men Gold'' and ''Weapon X'') along with his continuing solo series, while Laura would only be appearing in ''All-New Wolverine''. An increasing point of contention among X-23 fans was the anticipation that taking on the Wolverine name would raise her profile in the comics and lead to increased exposure, while in practice Old Man Logan has instead received the attention, particularly in events. This has led to some backlash against the ''[=ResurrXion=]'' lineup, and even Logan appearing prominently in a teaser for the 2017 ''Secret Empire'' event. The announcement of a ''third'' ''[=ResurrXion=]'' team book prominently featuring Logan has not helped matters.
* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: The Old Man's [[WolverinePublicity increasing prominence]] in the post-''[=IvX=]'' X-Men books —- specifically the fact that in addition to his solo series, Logan will be appearing in ''three'' team books, along with a rumored Avengers roster spot after ''Secret Empire'' — has led to this sort of backlash from a part of the fanbase. It's not uncommon to see fans ask why Logan himself was killed off at all if the Old Man would be doing the exact same things, only wrinklier.
* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: Logan with a now weakening Healing Factor still being able to kick Kraven’s ass.
** Logan taking out Maestro by cutting his head off in #50.
* MoralEventHorizon: Some think Logan crossed it when he killed Black Butcher for something he didn't even do yet.
* ReplacementScrappy: Some fans see him as one for the original Logan, feeling since he acts so similar to the original than 616!Logan may well not have died to begin with.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** Logan's interactions with the superhero community aren't very explored despite him coming from a CrapsackWorld where most of the heroes have died, there are a few heroes who would've been close to Logan before their deaths that he never even appears on screen with and conversely its also a waste due to not seeing many characters reacting to Logan considering the fact when he arrived 616!Logan recently died and left many characters affected.
** Perhaps most egregious, Old Man Logan and Cyclops never meet. Logan named his son after this guy and would surely have some things to say about the direction his life took. Nope.
*** Similarly, Old Man Logan never interacts with Present day Banner who around this time had come back to life with the Devil Hulk at the wheel.
* TheWoobie: It's not hard to feel sorry for Logan when he's lost so much and is so lost in this new world. He himself isn't even sure if it's the past he remembers, and is just grasping at straws, looking for some kind of direction. He tries to kill the new Hulk, who only acts in self-defense and even wants to help Logan, but Logan just runs. He goes as far as to visit Hawkeye, since the two are friends in his timeline. But in the current universe? They've never even been close, so he's in for a rude awakening.
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[[folder: Dead Man Logan]]
* ArcFatigue: It's a 12 issue series where Logan returning to his own time only occurs halfway through.
* CompleteMonster: [[GreaterScopeVillain Sinister]] is revealed to be [[TheChessmaster the mastermind]] behind the plan that created the [[BadFuture dark future]] of the timeline, in which civil society was destroyed and replaced with supervillain-controlled fiefdoms, killing millions in the process. Sinister came up with the plan to unite the supervillains, kill all the superheroes and take over the world, and presented this plan to ComicBook/RedSkull. When Old Man Logan traveled to the past, trying to stop this dark future from taking place, Sinister, in the form of Miss Sinister, learns of the future. Wanting to ensure the Old Man Logan future comes to pass, Miss Sinister recruits ComicBook/{{Mysterio}}, hoping to use him to trick the superhero community into killing each other and takes her plans to Red Skull's daughter Sin, working with her to ensure this plan succeeds and helps Sin kill everyone who could stand in their way. After Logan defeats Miss Sinister in the past, Logan goes back to the future, where Sinister has once again taken the form of Mr. Sinister. Mr. Sinister has created a hit squad of ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} clones to do his bidding. Mr. Sinister sends these clones to kill anyone who prevents him from capturing Logan and Bruce Banner Jr.--Hulk's preteen son--massacring a gang of cannibals and Forge's encampment of refugees. Mr. Sinister wants to experiment on Logan and [[WouldHurtAChild Bruce]], so he can create an army of SuperSoldiers to conquer the world.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Old Man Logan and the original Logan meeting should've been a big deal .There's a lot to explore there and a lot that can be said. All it amounts to is Old Man Logan saying that Logan shouldn't let his guard down.
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* ''Old Man [[ComicBook/StarLord Quill]]'' miniseries: ComicBook/{{Galactus}} serves as the dark god of the [[CorruptChurch Church of Universal Truth]], which is led by his [[PsychoSupporter zealous servant]], the Matriarch. Galactus stole the power cosmic from the Silver Surfer, putting him into a coma in the process. Galactus than uses the power cosmic to create a machine to mind control people, [[MassHypnosis mentally enslaving people to fill the Church's ranks]]. Matriarch retains her free will and leads the Church's forces, attempting to subdue planets and lead Galactus to them so that [[PlanetEater he can devour them]]. The Matriarch attacks Peter Quill, providing a distraction so Galactus can devour the planet Spartax, killing everyone on it, including Quill's family. The Matriarch and the Church launch an attack on New Xander, home of the Nova Corps. When the Nova Corps seemingly defeats the Church, the Matriarch summons Galactus, so that he can devour that planet as well. When the Matriarch discovers most of Earth's heroes have been killed in the supervillain uprising, she informs Galactus, who is delighted to have a chance to devour Earth without interference.

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* ** ''Old Man [[ComicBook/StarLord Quill]]'' miniseries: ComicBook/{{Galactus}} serves as the dark god of the [[CorruptChurch Church of Universal Truth]], which is led by his [[PsychoSupporter zealous servant]], the Matriarch. Galactus stole the power cosmic from the Silver Surfer, putting him into a coma in the process. Galactus than uses the power cosmic to create a machine to mind control people, [[MassHypnosis mentally enslaving people to fill the Church's ranks]]. Matriarch retains her free will and leads the Church's forces, attempting to subdue planets and lead Galactus to them so that [[PlanetEater he can devour them]]. The Matriarch attacks Peter Quill, providing a distraction so Galactus can devour the planet Spartax, killing everyone on it, including Quill's family. The Matriarch and the Church launch an attack on New Xander, home of the Nova Corps. When the Nova Corps seemingly defeats the Church, the Matriarch summons Galactus, so that he can devour that planet as well. When the Matriarch discovers most of Earth's heroes have been killed in the supervillain uprising, she informs Galactus, who is delighted to have a chance to devour Earth without interference.

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* ''Old Man [[ComicBook/StarLord Quill]]'' miniseries: ComicBook/{{Galactus}} serves as the dark god of the [[CorruptChurch Church of Universal Truth]], which is led by his [[PsychoSupporter zealous servant]], the Matriarch. Galactus stole the power cosmic from the Silver Surfer, putting him into a coma in the process. Galactus than uses the power cosmic to create a machine to mind control people, [[MassHypnosis mentally enslaving people to fill the Church's ranks]]. Matriarch retains her free will and leads the Church's forces, attempting to subdue planets and lead Galactus to them so that [[PlanetEater he can devour them]]. The Matriarch attacks Peter Quill, providing a distraction so Galactus can devour the planet Spartax, killing everyone on it, including Quill's family. The Matriarch and the Church launch an attack on New Xander, home of the Nova Corps. When the Nova Corps seemingly defeats the Church, the Matriarch summons Galactus, so that he can devour that planet as well. When the Matriarch discovers most of Earth's heroes have been killed in the supervillain uprising, she informs Galactus, who is delighted to have a chance to devour Earth without interference.

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** [[ComicBook/BaronZemo Baron Helmut Zemo]] is [[AdaptationalVillainy presented as a far more cruel villain]] than his 616 counterpart. Zemo was [[EvilIsPetty enraged that Hawkeye took away the Thunderbolts from him]], so in the lead up to the supervillain take over, Zemo strong-arms the Thunderbolts into betraying the Avengers. When the Avengers are ambushed by supervillains, the Thunderbolts turn against the Avengers and help the villains kill them. Zemo personally kills Black Widow in front of Hawkeye and only spares him because he thinks Hawkeye is worthless. In the future, Zemo is running a SuperSoldier program at the Weapon X facility for Red Skull, [[PlayingWithSyringes experimenting on people]]. His test subjects often become deformed and beg for death after Zemo is done with them. Eventually, Zemo succeeds and creates a new Captain Hydra, Zemo has him test out his abilities by having him kill several of Zemo's guards. Zemo also plans to kill all the scientists at the Weapon X facility, so no one can recreate his research.

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* CompleteMonster: Even in this [[CrapsackWorld dark setting]], the [[GeniusBruiser Maestro]], a corrupt version of the ComicBook/IncredibleHulk from an alternate future, stands out as a particularly vile villain. Maestro arrives on Earth and takes over Hulk's brood of inbred children after Logan killed this world's version of Hulk. Maestro has the Hulk Gang take over a military base in the Yukon territories, killing all the guards there. Maestro also has one of the Hulk Gang, Billy Bob, [[YouHaveFailedMe killed for his incompetence]]. Maestro uses the base's resources to create several nuclear bombs. Maestro plans to use the Hulk Gang as [[SuicideAttack suicide bombers]] and [[NukeEm have them blow up several major cities]], destroying most of humanity. Maestro promises the Hulk Gang they will survive the blasts, but that is a lie, they will die along with most of humanity so that Maestro can rule over a [[AfterTheEnd post-nuclear-holocaust]] world. After Maestro's genocidal scheme is foiled and he is confronted by Logan and Hawkeye, Maestro attempts to set off a nuke, to take out everyone in the area, out of spite. After that defeat, the Maestro reappears later, having conquered a small Northern Canadian town, where Maestro kills anyone who opposes him and turns the women of the town into his [[SexSlave sex slaves]].

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in this [[CrapsackWorld dark setting]], the [[GeniusBruiser Maestro]], a corrupt version of the ComicBook/IncredibleHulk from an alternate future, stands out as a particularly vile villain. Maestro arrives on Earth and takes over Hulk's brood of inbred children after Logan killed this world's version of Hulk. Maestro has the Hulk Gang take over a military base in the Yukon territories, killing all the guards there. Maestro also has one of the Hulk Gang, Billy Bob, [[YouHaveFailedMe killed for his incompetence]]. Maestro uses the base's resources to create several nuclear bombs. Maestro plans to use the Hulk Gang as [[SuicideAttack suicide bombers]] and [[NukeEm have them blow up several major cities]], destroying most of humanity. Maestro promises the Hulk Gang they will survive the blasts, but that is a lie, they will die along with most of humanity so that Maestro can rule over a [[AfterTheEnd post-nuclear-holocaust]] world. After Maestro's genocidal scheme is foiled and he is confronted by Logan and Hawkeye, Maestro attempts to set off a nuke, to take out everyone in the area, out of spite. After that defeat, the Maestro reappears later, having conquered a small Northern Canadian town, where Maestro kills anyone who opposes him and turns the women of the town into his [[SexSlave sex slaves]]. slaves]].
**[[ComicBook/BaronZemo Baron Helmut Zemo]] is [[AdaptationalVillainy presented as a far more cruel villain]] than his 616 counterpart. Zemo was [[EvilIsPetty enraged that Hawkeye took away the Thunderbolts from him]], so in the lead up to the supervillain take over, Zemo strong-arms the Thunderbolts into betraying the Avengers. When the Avengers are ambushed by supervillains, the Thunderbolts turn against the Avengers and help the villains kill them. Zemo personally kills Black Widow in front of Hawkeye and only spares him because he thinks Hawkeye is worthless. In the future, Zemo is running a SuperSoldier program at the Weapon X facility for Red Skull, [[PlayingWithSyringes experimenting on people]]. His test subjects often become deformed and beg for death after Zemo is done with them. Eventually, Zemo succeeds and creates a new Captain Hydra, Zemo has him test out his abilities by having him kill several of Zemo's guards. Zemo also plans to kill all the scientists at the Weapon X facility, so no one can recreate his research.

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* CompleteMonster: [[GreaterScopeVillain Sinister]] is revealed to be [[TheChessmaster the mastermind]] behind the plan that created the [[BadFuture dark future]] of the timeline, in which civil society was destroyed and replaced with supervillain-controlled fiefdoms, killing millions in the process. Sinister came up with the plan to unite the supervillains, kill all the superheroes and take over the world, and presented this plan to ComicBook/RedSkull. When Old Man Logan is past trying to stop this dark future from taking place, Sinister, in the form of Miss Sinister, learns of the future. Wanting to ensure the Old Man Logan future comes to pass, Miss Sinister recruits ComicBook/{{Mysterio}}, hoping to use him to trick the superhero community into killing each other and takes her plans to Red Skull's daughter Sin, working with her to ensure this plan succeeds and helps Sin kill everyone who could stand in their way. After Logan defeats Miss Sinister in the past, Logan goes back to the future, where Sinister has once again taken the form of Mr. Sinister. Mr. Sinister has created a hit squad of ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} clones to do his bidding. Mr. Sinister sends these clones to kill anyone who prevents him from capturing Logan and Bruce Banner Jr.--Hulk's preteen son--massacring a gang of cannibals and Forge's encampment of refugees. Mr. Sinister wants to experiment on Logan and [[WouldHurtAChild Bruce]], so he can create an army of SuperSoldiers to conquer the world.

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* CompleteMonster: [[GreaterScopeVillain Sinister]] is revealed to be [[TheChessmaster the mastermind]] behind the plan that created the [[BadFuture dark future]] of the timeline, in which civil society was destroyed and replaced with supervillain-controlled fiefdoms, killing millions in the process. Sinister came up with the plan to unite the supervillains, kill all the superheroes and take over the world, and presented this plan to ComicBook/RedSkull. When Old Man Logan is past traveled to the past, trying to stop this dark future from taking place, Sinister, in the form of Miss Sinister, learns of the future. Wanting to ensure the Old Man Logan future comes to pass, Miss Sinister recruits ComicBook/{{Mysterio}}, hoping to use him to trick the superhero community into killing each other and takes her plans to Red Skull's daughter Sin, working with her to ensure this plan succeeds and helps Sin kill everyone who could stand in their way. After Logan defeats Miss Sinister in the past, Logan goes back to the future, where Sinister has once again taken the form of Mr. Sinister. Mr. Sinister has created a hit squad of ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} clones to do his bidding. Mr. Sinister sends these clones to kill anyone who prevents him from capturing Logan and Bruce Banner Jr.--Hulk's preteen son--massacring a gang of cannibals and Forge's encampment of refugees. Mr. Sinister wants to experiment on Logan and [[WouldHurtAChild Bruce]], so he can create an army of SuperSoldiers to conquer the world.

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