History YMMV / NintendoWars

15th Feb '18 11:55:14 PM Sammettik
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* SequelDisplacement[=/=]SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The original ''Advance Wars'' isn't spoken of nearly as often as ''Black Hole Rising'' — the latter's more interesting mechanics, better story, larger cast, and less unfortunate release date will do that.

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* SequelDisplacement[=/=]SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: SequelDisplacement: The original ''Advance Wars'' isn't spoken of nearly as often as ''Black Hole Rising'' — the latter's more interesting mechanics, better story, larger cast, and less unfortunate release date will do that.
2nd Feb '18 9:28:56 AM ACW
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** The aforementioned [[InsaneAdmiral Admiral]] [[GeneralRipper Greyfield]] is a megalomaniacal SocialDarwinist who desires to rule through fear. After the world is plunged into ruin after a meteor storm, Greyfield takes what he sees as a perfect opportunity, codifying the New Rubinelle Army and leading a conquest to dominate the world. Greyfield wages war on the country of Lazuria, considering their people weak, [[FinalSolution intending to wipe out their populace in totality]] and causing dozens of innocent casualties along the way. [[BadBoss Treating his own allies and army as disposable if he doesn't consider them up to his standards, Greyfield threatens everyone who so much as upsets him with execution, mass-executing his own soldiers once they catch the Creeper virus, and having Forsythe shot after he surrenders on account of being "Lazurian trash."]] After Brenner turns against him, Greyfield swears to have him and his entire battalion executed and sinks to his ultimate low when he has an entire city -- [[WeHaveReserves with his own troops within]] -- nuked for the purpose of killing Brenner, succeeding in causing Brenner's death. Considering everyone else utterly beneath him and convinced of his own indomitable superiority, Greyfield was at heart an incompetent, domineering coward whose greatest wish was to put the world under his foot.

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** The aforementioned [[InsaneAdmiral Admiral]] [[GeneralRipper Admiral Greyfield]] is a megalomaniacal SocialDarwinist who desires to rule through fear. After the world is plunged into ruin after a meteor storm, Greyfield takes what he sees as a perfect opportunity, codifying the New Rubinelle Army and leading a conquest to dominate the world. Greyfield wages war on the country of Lazuria, considering their people weak, [[FinalSolution intending to wipe out their populace in totality]] and causing dozens of innocent casualties along the way. [[BadBoss Treating his own allies and army as disposable if he doesn't consider them up to his standards, Greyfield threatens everyone who so much as upsets him with execution, mass-executing his own soldiers once they catch the Creeper virus, and having Forsythe shot after he surrenders on account of being "Lazurian trash."]] After Brenner turns against him, Greyfield swears to have him and his entire battalion executed and sinks to his ultimate low when he has an entire city -- [[WeHaveReserves with his own troops within]] -- nuked for the purpose of killing Brenner, succeeding in causing Brenner's death. Considering everyone else utterly beneath him and convinced of his own indomitable superiority, Greyfield was at heart an incompetent, domineering coward whose greatest wish was to put the world under his foot.
28th Jan '18 3:04:16 PM Luigifan
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** Crystal Calamity in ''Dual Strike''. A DifficultySpike of the highest order. Your primary objective is to destroy the Black Obelisk, a large crystal that serves as the enemy HQ and heals enemy units within a radius of four tiles. Problem? It's protected by an [[DeflectorShields impenetrable energy shield]] projected by an orbiting satellite. To counter this, there are nine anti-satellite missile silos scattered about the battlefield. Using infantry, you must claim and fire ALL of these silos. If Black Hole claims a single one, you lose. The timing is tight enough that if the enemy gets a single movement bonus from their powers, you lose. Finally, if (IF) you succeed in toppling the satellite and exposing the obelisk, your forces are likely scattered and weak, requiring you to consolidate your forces and push back before Black Hole's forces steamroll you.

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** Crystal Calamity in ''Dual Strike''. A DifficultySpike of the highest order. Your primary objective is to destroy the Black Obelisk, a large crystal that serves as the enemy HQ and heals enemy units within a radius of four tiles. Problem? It's protected by an [[DeflectorShields impenetrable energy shield]] projected by an orbiting satellite. To counter this, there are nine anti-satellite missile silos scattered about the battlefield. Using infantry, you must claim and fire ALL of these silos. If Black Hole claims a single one, you lose. The timing is tight enough that if the enemy gets a single movement bonus from their powers, you lose. Finally, if (IF) ('''''if''''') you succeed in toppling the satellite and exposing the obelisk, your forces are likely scattered and weak, requiring you to consolidate your forces and push back before Black Hole's forces steamroll you.



** Trial 7, known as Tatter River, looks like a modestly challenging trial map - 4 Commanders and plenty of Airports and Factories. But upon closer look, all of the headquarters are next to four Factories and are surrounded by rivers. Rivers can only be traversed by Infantry, Mechs, and Air Units - all of which extremely weak against Anti-Air unit attacks. Guess what the unit will be greeting you in large numbers when you try to capture a base in large numbers?
* TastesLikeDiabetes: Isabella's theme in ''Days of Ruin'', [[SoundtrackDissonance despite the]] DarkerAndEdgier setting. That doesn't mean the song isn't good. As it's a song from Advance Wars, it pretty much has to be [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome really good]].
** Sasha's theme from Dual Strike is very similar, though this time it doesn't clash with the setting.
* TierInducedScrappy: Missiles in Advance Wars are powerful AntiAir units, but the high mobility of air units and their limited range meant one is better served building Fighters (excellent range) and/or Anti-Air Tanks (cheaper, nearly as powerful, [[CripplingOverspecialization not limited to fighting aircraft]]). ''Days of Ruin'' gave them increased range, making them much more viable.

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** Trial 7, known as Tatter River, looks like a modestly challenging trial map - — 4 Commanders and plenty of Airports and Factories. But upon closer look, all of the headquarters are next to four Factories and are surrounded by rivers. Rivers can only be traversed by Infantry, Mechs, and Air Units - — all of which extremely weak against Anti-Air unit attacks. Guess what the kind of unit will be greeting you in large numbers when you try to capture a base in large numbers?
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* TastesLikeDiabetes: Isabella's theme in ''Days of Ruin'', [[SoundtrackDissonance despite the]] DarkerAndEdgier setting. That doesn't mean the song isn't good. As it's a song from Advance Wars, ''Advance Wars'', it pretty much has to be [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome really good]].
** Sasha's theme from Dual Strike ''Dual Strike'' is very similar, though this time it doesn't clash with the setting.
* TierInducedScrappy: Missiles in Advance Wars ''Advance Wars'' are powerful AntiAir units, but the high mobility of air units and their limited range meant one is better served building Fighters (excellent range) and/or Anti-Air Tanks (cheaper, nearly as powerful, [[CripplingOverspecialization not limited to fighting aircraft]]). ''Days of Ruin'' gave them increased range, making them much more viable.
28th Jan '18 3:00:04 PM Luigifan
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** The aforementioned [[InsaneAdmiral Admiral]] [[GeneralRipper Greyfield]] is a megalomaniacal SocialDarwinist who desires to rule through fear. After the world is plunged into ruin after a meteor storm, Greyfield takes what he sees as a perfect opportunity, codifying the New Rubinelle Army and leading a conquest to dominate the world. Greyfield wages war on the country of Lazuria, considering their people weak, intending to wipe out their populace in totality and causing dozens of innocent casualties along the way. [[BadBoss Treating his own allies and army as disposable if he doesn't consider them up to his standards, Greyfield threatens everyone who so much as upsets him with execution, mass-executing his own soldiers once they catch the Creeper virus, and having Forsythe shot after he surrenders on account of being "Lazurian trash."]] After Brenner turns against him, Greyfield swears to have him and his entire battalion executed and sinks to his ultimate low when he has an entire city--with his own troops within--nuked for the purpose of killing Brenner, succeeding in causing Brenner's death. Considering everyone else utterly beneath him and convinced of his own indomitable superiority, Greyfield was at heart an incompetent, domineering coward whose greatest wish was to put the world under his foot.

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** The aforementioned [[InsaneAdmiral Admiral]] [[GeneralRipper Greyfield]] is a megalomaniacal SocialDarwinist who desires to rule through fear. After the world is plunged into ruin after a meteor storm, Greyfield takes what he sees as a perfect opportunity, codifying the New Rubinelle Army and leading a conquest to dominate the world. Greyfield wages war on the country of Lazuria, considering their people weak, [[FinalSolution intending to wipe out their populace in totality totality]] and causing dozens of innocent casualties along the way. [[BadBoss Treating his own allies and army as disposable if he doesn't consider them up to his standards, Greyfield threatens everyone who so much as upsets him with execution, mass-executing his own soldiers once they catch the Creeper virus, and having Forsythe shot after he surrenders on account of being "Lazurian trash."]] After Brenner turns against him, Greyfield swears to have him and his entire battalion executed and sinks to his ultimate low when he has an entire city--with city -- [[WeHaveReserves with his own troops within--nuked within]] -- nuked for the purpose of killing Brenner, succeeding in causing Brenner's death. Considering everyone else utterly beneath him and convinced of his own indomitable superiority, Greyfield was at heart an incompetent, domineering coward whose greatest wish was to put the world under his foot.



* DemonicSpiders: Oozium in ''Dual Strike'' [[note]]Big blobs that can instantly kill a unit on contact when they move. Though they can only move one square a turn, they're resistant against indirect attacks, forcing the player to use direct attacks.[[/note]], Anti-Tanks in ''Days of Ruin''[[note]]Doesn't help that their only real weakness after they're in position is infantry which get picked off by everything else.[[/note]], Pillboxes in the first ''Battalion Wars'', Fighters and Strato Destroyers in the ''Battalion Wars 2''.

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* DemonicSpiders: Oozium in ''Dual Strike'' [[note]]Big blobs that can instantly kill a unit on contact when they move. Though they can only move one square a turn, they're resistant against indirect attacks, forcing the player to use direct attacks.[[/note]], Anti-Tanks in ''Days of Ruin''[[note]]Doesn't help that their only real weakness after they're in position is infantry infantry, which get picked off by everything else.[[/note]], else[[/note]], Pillboxes in the first ''Battalion Wars'', Fighters and Strato Destroyers in the ''Battalion Wars 2''.



** Hawke is this for his comparatively [[KnightOfCerebus serious portrayal and demeanor]], thus also avoiding MildlyMilitary like Lash. He's also perhaps the only villain with depth, showing NobleDemon traits in objecting to conflict with no clear gain, caring about his subordinates, and [[WorthyOpponent showing genuine respect for his foes]]. He also makes a great {{Foil}} to lash in ''Dual Strike''.
* FandomBerserkButton: Here's a tip for being taken seriously in the Advance Wars communities: never ever suggest a sniper unit. Something about such a thing being impossible to balance right or something.
* FandomRivalry: One seems to have developed with ''FireEmblem'' during the 2010's. Both turn-based strategy games (though ''Fire Emblem'' has a [[StrategyRPG much greater RPG focus]]) developed by IntelligentSystems, after the release of ''[[FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'', the ''FE'' franchise exploded in popularity, getting a [[FireEmblemFates new game]], a [[FireEmblemGaiden remake]], two [[TokyoMirageSessionsFE crossover]] [[FireEmblemWarriors spin-offs]], and a [[FireEmblemHeroes mobile game]]. And during all of this, nothing new at all has developed for the ''Wars'' series, making fans feel left out in the cold while Nintendo focuses on milking its ''FE'' CashCowFranchise. Not helped by statements that this franchise has been halted because the developers are unable to implement Fire Emblem's relationship mechanics into a Nintendo Wars entry.

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** Hawke is this for his comparatively [[KnightOfCerebus serious portrayal and demeanor]], thus also avoiding MildlyMilitary like Lash. He's also perhaps the only villain with depth, showing NobleDemon traits in objecting to conflict with no clear gain, caring about his subordinates, and [[WorthyOpponent showing genuine respect for his foes]]. He also makes a great {{Foil}} to lash Lash in ''Dual Strike''.
* FandomBerserkButton: Here's a tip for being taken seriously in the Advance Wars ''Advance Wars'' communities: never ever suggest a sniper unit. Something about such a thing being impossible to balance right or something.
* FandomRivalry: One seems to have developed with ''FireEmblem'' ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' during the 2010's. Both turn-based strategy games (though ''Fire Emblem'' has a [[StrategyRPG much greater RPG focus]]) developed by IntelligentSystems, after the release of ''[[FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'', the ''FE'' franchise exploded in popularity, getting a [[FireEmblemFates new game]], a [[FireEmblemGaiden remake]], two [[TokyoMirageSessionsFE crossover]] [[FireEmblemWarriors spin-offs]], and a [[FireEmblemHeroes mobile game]]. And during all of this, nothing new at all has developed for the ''Wars'' series, making fans feel left out in the cold while Nintendo focuses on milking its ''FE'' CashCowFranchise. Not helped by statements that this franchise has been halted because the developers are unable to implement Fire Emblem's ''Fire Emblem'''s relationship mechanics into a Nintendo Wars ''Nintendo Wars'' entry.



** The 'Mech Rush' tactic from ''Advance Wars'' is based on this trope. In particular, Sensei's CO Powers - spawning Infantry or Mechs on every city he owns - can quickly drive opponents insane.
** Colin, with his power to increase his funds by half every couple of turns on top of normal income and having cheaper units, can out Mech-Swamp even Sensei, and when partnered with Hachi or Sensei in Dual Strike, this is made even worse.
* HarsherInHindsight: The first Advance Wars game was released on [[TheWarOnTerror September 10, 2001]].
* HilariousInHindsight: One CO in Advance Wars Dual Strike, released in 2005, is first seen trying (and failing, because of the approaching battle) to catch up on her reading. Her name? Kindle.

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** The 'Mech Rush' tactic from ''Advance Wars'' is based on this trope. In particular, Sensei's CO Powers - — spawning Infantry or Mechs on every city he owns - — can quickly drive opponents insane.
** Colin, with his power to increase his funds by half every couple of turns on top of normal income and having cheaper units, can out Mech-Swamp even Sensei, and when partnered with Hachi or Sensei in Dual Strike, ''Dual Strike'', this is made even worse.
* HarsherInHindsight: The first Advance Wars ''Advance Wars'' game was released on [[TheWarOnTerror September 10, 2001]].
* HilariousInHindsight: One CO in Advance ''Advance Wars Dual Strike, Strike'', released in 2005, is first seen trying (and failing, because of the approaching battle) to catch up on her reading. Her name? Kindle.



* MoralEventHorizon: They probably crossed it a long time beforehand, but in-story, [[spoiler:Waylon (on Greyfield's orders) crosses it by murdering Forsythe execution-style, in front of just about everybody, and keeps his smug-ass attitude rolling the whole time. Greyfield and Caulder followed by using a implied nuke to kill Brenner, not giving damn about it killing their own men in the area]].
* MostAnnoyingSound: The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bky5upn5Ilo Black Hole Coming]] theme, which has microphone feedback sound in the track.

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* MoralEventHorizon: They probably crossed it a long time beforehand, but in-story, [[spoiler:Waylon (on Greyfield's orders) crosses it by murdering Forsythe execution-style, in front of just about everybody, and keeps his smug-ass attitude rolling the whole time. Greyfield and Caulder followed by using a implied nuke to kill Brenner, not giving a damn about it killing their own men in the area]].
* MostAnnoyingSound: The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bky5upn5Ilo Black Hole Coming]] theme, which has a microphone feedback sound in the track.



** [[spoiler:The Creeper]] in Days of Ruin. Lin, being how she is, makes it worse by theorizing whether [[spoiler:the infected feel the roots moving just beneath their skin.]] Knowing the [[MadScientist guy]] who created it, the answer is most likely yes.

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** [[spoiler:The Creeper]] in Days ''Days of Ruin. Ruin''. Lin, being how she is, makes it worse by theorizing whether [[spoiler:the infected feel the roots moving just beneath their skin.]] skin]]. Knowing the [[MadScientist guy]] who created it, the answer is most likely yes.



** Same game again: Lose Chapter 19. [[spoiler:Gage]] tells everyone to escape without him as he is set upon by the crazed cultists. You don't see what happens but you can sure ''imagine'' it.

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** Same game again: Lose Chapter 19. [[spoiler:Gage]] tells everyone to escape without him as he is set upon by the crazed cultists. [[NothingIsScarier You don't see what happens happens]], but you can sure ''imagine'' it.



** Jake replacing Andy as the main character. While Andy wasn't exactly the most interesting character in the world, a lot of people would prefer him over Jake's JiveTurkey routine any day. Jake's CO Powers aren't nearly as useful as Andy's either.
* SequelDisplacement[=/=]SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The original ''Advance Wars'' isn't spoken of nearly as often as ''Black Hole Rising'' - the latter's more interesting mechanics, better story, larger cast, and less unfortunate release date will do that.

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** Jake replacing Andy as the main character. While Andy wasn't exactly the most interesting character in the world, a lot of people would prefer him over Jake's JiveTurkey routine any day. Jake's CO Powers aren't nearly as useful as Andy's Andy's, either.
* SequelDisplacement[=/=]SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The original ''Advance Wars'' isn't spoken of nearly as often as ''Black Hole Rising'' - — the latter's more interesting mechanics, better story, larger cast, and less unfortunate release date will do that.



** [[BrutalBonusLevel Bonus Mission 3]] in ''Battalion Wars''. Lots of heavy tanks under your command? Check. A LOT of enemy bombers? Check. Your tanks being [[EscortMission mission-critical]]? Check. [[OhCrap Not a single]] [[AntiAir AA unit]] [[OhCrap to save you?]] '''[[ThisIsGonnaSuck OH SHI--]]'''

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** [[BrutalBonusLevel Bonus Mission 3]] in ''Battalion Wars''. Lots of heavy tanks under your command? Check. A LOT of enemy bombers? Check. Your tanks being [[EscortMission mission-critical]]? Check. [[OhCrap Not a single]] [[AntiAir AA unit]] [[OhCrap to save you?]] '''[[ThisIsGonnaSuck OH SHI--]]'''SHI—]]'''
26th Dec '17 1:20:16 PM rjd1922
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* HarsherInHindsight: The first Advance Wars game was released on [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWarOnTerror September 10, 2001]].

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* HarsherInHindsight: The first Advance Wars game was released on [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWarOnTerror [[TheWarOnTerror September 10, 2001]].
23rd Nov '17 12:55:27 PM MBG
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* SequelDisplacement[=/=]SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: The original ''Advance Wars'' isn't spoken of nearly as often as ''Black Hole Rising'' - the latter's more interesting mechanics, better story, larger cast, and less unfortunate release date will do that.
30th Sep '17 3:53:56 PM DrVonOppendown
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** By the same token, Hachi is apparently a former Commander-In-Chief of OS and is purposefully styled as a stereotypical, old-timey Japanese shopkeeper.
29th Sep '17 7:19:27 AM SuperSauce
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* FandomRivalry: One seems to have developed with ''FireEmblem'' during the 2010's. Both turn-based strategy games (though ''Fire Emblem'' has a [[StrategyRPG much greater RPG focus]]) developed by IntelligentSystems, after the release of ''[[FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'', the ''FE'' franchise exploded in popularity, getting a [[FireEmblemFates new game]], a [[FireEmblemGaiden remake]], two [[TokyoMirageSessionsFE crossover]] [[FireEmblemWarriors spin-offs]], and a [[FireEmblemHeroes mobile game]]. And during all of this, nothing new at all has developed for the ''Wars'' series, making fans feel left out in the cold while Nintendo focuses on milking its ''FE'' CashCowFranchise.

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* FandomRivalry: One seems to have developed with ''FireEmblem'' during the 2010's. Both turn-based strategy games (though ''Fire Emblem'' has a [[StrategyRPG much greater RPG focus]]) developed by IntelligentSystems, after the release of ''[[FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'', the ''FE'' franchise exploded in popularity, getting a [[FireEmblemFates new game]], a [[FireEmblemGaiden remake]], two [[TokyoMirageSessionsFE crossover]] [[FireEmblemWarriors spin-offs]], and a [[FireEmblemHeroes mobile game]]. And during all of this, nothing new at all has developed for the ''Wars'' series, making fans feel left out in the cold while Nintendo focuses on milking its ''FE'' CashCowFranchise. Not helped by statements that this franchise has been halted because the developers are unable to implement Fire Emblem's relationship mechanics into a Nintendo Wars entry.
29th Sep '17 7:07:23 AM ZenBlade
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* FandomRivalry: One seems to have developed with ''FireEmblem'' during the 2010's. Both turn-based strategy games (though ''Fire Emblem'' has a [[StrategyRPG much greater RPG focus]]) developed by IntelligentSystems, after the release of ''[[FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'', the ''FE'' franchise exploded in popularity, getting a [[FireEmblemFates new game]], a [[FireEmblemGaiden remake]], two [[TokyoMirageSessionsFE crossover]] [[FireEmblemWarriors spin-offs]], and a [[FireEmblemHeroes mobile game]]. And during all of this, nothing new at all has developed for the ''Wars'' series, making fans feel left out in the cold while Nintendo focuses on milking its ''FE'' CashCowFranchise.
4th Sep '17 5:55:36 PM SuperSauce
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** Same game again: Lose Chapter 19. [[spoiler:Gage]] tells everyone to escape without him as he is set upon by the crazed cultists. You don't see what happens but you can sure ''imagine'' it.
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