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** Specific to Darkseid is his habit of chilling on people's couches. It's silly for a GodOfEvil to make himself at home like that, but it's iconic nonetheless. Plus, it adds a touch of EvilIsPetty to the NightmareFuel of coming home to find Darkseid waiting for you.
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* TheScrappy: The Forever People; Kirby's idea of space hippies was a complete flop with fans and the series is considered (along with the ''Jimmy Olsen'' installments of the original ''Fourth World'' Saga) the weakest and least liked part of the franchise.
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* TheScrappy: The Forever People; Kirby's idea of space hippies was a complete flop with fans and the series is considered (along with the ''Jimmy Olsen'' ''ComicBook/SupermansPalJimmyOlsen'' installments of the original ''Fourth World'' Saga) the weakest and least liked part of the franchise.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: ''Return Of The New Gods'' - not for the series itself, which ranges between not-terrible to SoOkayItsAverage, but for the wholly unnecessary redesign of Orion to look more "superheroic". He trades in his helmet and Astro-Harness for something resembling [[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders Geo-Force's costume]] with a big "O" on his chest.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: ''Return Of The New Gods'' - not for the series itself, which ranges between not-terrible to SoOkayItsAverage, but for the wholly unnecessary redesign of Orion to look more "superheroic". He trades in his helmet and Astro-Harness for something resembling [[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders [[ComicBook/TheOutsidersDCComics Geo-Force's costume]] with a big "O" on his chest.
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* OnceOriginalNowCommon:
** If you were born after [[Film/ANewHope 1977]], it can be pretty easy to dismiss ''New Gods'' as an uninspired ''Franchise/StarWars'' knockoff. In fact, the series began in ''[[OlderThanTheyThink 1971]]'', six years before ''Star Wars'' hit theaters--and it's likely that it was one of Creator/GeorgeLucas' primary artistic influences. You barely have to squint to see Kirby's fingerprints on Lucas' world: there's a metaphysical life-giving energy field called "The Source", a malevolent galactic conqueror in a dark helmet whose name sounds like "Dark Side", and even a hero who finds out that the dark-helmeted BigBad [[LukeIAmYourFather is actually his father]]. More broadly, Kirby's idea of merging pulp sci-fi with Myth/ClassicalMythology may have influenced Lucas' idea to put TheHerosJourney [-IN SPACE-].
** The Forever People get a lot of ribbing for being more or less space hippies, but back in the day, making a book that was unapologetically in favor of anti-war activists was seen as incredibly daring--it was only a year after 58% of Americans blamed the Kent State Massacre on the students, and only three after ''Brother Power, The Geek'' was cancelled in its second issue. Nowadays, they're often dismissed as {{Fad Super}}s.
** If you were born after [[Film/ANewHope 1977]], it can be pretty easy to dismiss ''New Gods'' as an uninspired ''Franchise/StarWars'' knockoff. In fact, the series began in ''[[OlderThanTheyThink 1971]]'', six years before ''Star Wars'' hit theaters--and it's likely that it was one of Creator/GeorgeLucas' primary artistic influences. You barely have to squint to see Kirby's fingerprints on Lucas' world: there's a metaphysical life-giving energy field called "The Source", a malevolent galactic conqueror in a dark helmet whose name sounds like "Dark Side", and even a hero who finds out that the dark-helmeted BigBad [[LukeIAmYourFather is actually his father]]. More broadly, Kirby's idea of merging pulp sci-fi with Myth/ClassicalMythology may have influenced Lucas' idea to put TheHerosJourney [-IN SPACE-].
** The Forever People get a lot of ribbing for being more or less space hippies, but back in the day, making a book that was unapologetically in favor of anti-war activists was seen as incredibly daring--it was only a year after 58% of Americans blamed the Kent State Massacre on the students, and only three after ''Brother Power, The Geek'' was cancelled in its second issue. Nowadays, they're often dismissed as {{Fad Super}}s.
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**OlderThanTheyThink: If you were born after [[Film/ANewHope 1977]], it can be pretty easy to dismiss ''New Gods'' as an uninspired ''Franchise/StarWars'' knockoff. In fact, the series began in ''[[OlderThanTheyThink 1971]]'', six years before ''Star Wars'' hit theaters--and it's likely that it was one of Creator/GeorgeLucas' primary artistic influences. You barely have to squint to see Kirby's fingerprints on Lucas' world: there's a metaphysical life-giving energy field called "The Source", a malevolent galactic conqueror in a dark helmet whose name sounds like "Dark Side", and even a hero who finds out that the dark-helmeted BigBad [[LukeIAmYourFather is actually his father]]. More broadly, Kirby's idea of merging pulp sci-fi with Myth/ClassicalMythology may have influenced Lucas' idea to put TheHerosJourney [-IN SPACE-].
** * OnceOriginalNowCommon: The Forever People get a lot of ribbing for being more or less space hippies, but back in the day, making a book that was unapologetically in favor of anti-war activists was seen as incredibly daring--it was only a year after 58% of Americans blamed the Kent State Massacre on the students, and only three after ''Brother Power, The Geek'' was cancelled in its second issue. Nowadays, they're often dismissed as {{Fad Super}}s.
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** If you were born after [[Film/ANewHope 1977]], it can be pretty easy to dismiss ''New Gods'' as an uninspired ''Franchise/StarWars'' knockoff. In fact, the series began in ''[[OlderThanTheyThink 1971]]'', six years before ''Star Wars'' hit theaters--and it's likely that it was one of Creator/GeorgeLucas' primary artistic influences. You barely have to squint to see Kirby's fingerprints on Lucas' world: there's a metaphysical life-giving energy field called "The Source", a malevolent galactic conqueror in a dark helmet whose name sounds like "Dark Side", and even a hero who finds out that the dark-helmeted BigBad [[LukeIAmYourFather is actually his father]]. More broadly, Kirby's idea of merging pulp sci-fi with Myth/ClassicalMythology may have influenced Lucas' idea to put TheHerosJourney [-IN SPACE-].
** The Forever People get a lot of ribbing for being more or less space hippies, but back in the day, making a book that was unapologetically in favor of anti-war activists was seen as incredibly daring--it was only a year after 58% of Americans blamed the Kent State Massacre on the students, and only three after ''Brother Power, The Geek'' was cancelled in its second issue. Nowadays, they're often dismissed as {{Fad Super}}s.
** If you were born after [[Film/ANewHope 1977]], it can be pretty easy to dismiss ''New Gods'' as an uninspired ''Franchise/StarWars'' knockoff. In fact, the series began in ''[[OlderThanTheyThink 1971]]'', six years before ''Star Wars'' hit theaters--and it's likely that it was one of Creator/GeorgeLucas' primary artistic influences. You barely have to squint to see Kirby's fingerprints on Lucas' world: there's a metaphysical life-giving energy field called "The Source", a malevolent galactic conqueror in a dark helmet whose name sounds like "Dark Side", and even a hero who finds out that the dark-helmeted BigBad [[LukeIAmYourFather is actually his father]]. More broadly, Kirby's idea of merging pulp sci-fi with Myth/ClassicalMythology may have influenced Lucas' idea to put TheHerosJourney [-IN SPACE-].
** The Forever People get a lot of ribbing for being more or less space hippies, but back in the day, making a book that was unapologetically in favor of anti-war activists was seen as incredibly daring--it was only a year after 58% of Americans blamed the Kent State Massacre on the students, and only three after ''Brother Power, The Geek'' was cancelled in its second issue. Nowadays, they're often dismissed as {{Fad Super}}s.
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** If you were born after [[Film/ANewHope 1977]], it can be pretty easy to dismiss ''New Gods'' as an uninspired ''Franchise/StarWars'' knockoff. In fact, the series began in ''[[OlderThanTheyThink 1971]]'', six years before ''Star Wars'' hit theaters--and it's likely that it was one of Creator/GeorgeLucas' primary artistic influences. You barely have to squint to see Kirby's fingerprints on Lucas' world: there's a metaphysical life-giving energy field called "The Source", a malevolent galactic conqueror in a dark helmet whose name sounds like "Dark Side", and even a hero who finds out that the dark-helmeted BigBad [[LukeIAmYourFather is actually his father]]. More broadly, Kirby's idea of merging pulp sci-fi with Myth/ClassicalMythology may have influenced Lucas' idea to put TheHerosJourney [-IN SPACE-].
** The Forever People get a lot of ribbing for being more or less space hippies, but back in the day, making a book that was unapologetically in favor of anti-war activists was seen as incredibly daring--it was only a year after 58% of Americans blamed the Kent State Massacre on the students, and only three after ''Brother Power, The Geek'' was cancelled in its second issue. Nowadays, they're often dismissed as {{Fad Super}}s.
** If you were born after [[Film/ANewHope 1977]], it can be pretty easy to dismiss ''New Gods'' as an uninspired ''Franchise/StarWars'' knockoff. In fact, the series began in ''[[OlderThanTheyThink 1971]]'', six years before ''Star Wars'' hit theaters--and it's likely that it was one of Creator/GeorgeLucas' primary artistic influences. You barely have to squint to see Kirby's fingerprints on Lucas' world: there's a metaphysical life-giving energy field called "The Source", a malevolent galactic conqueror in a dark helmet whose name sounds like "Dark Side", and even a hero who finds out that the dark-helmeted BigBad [[LukeIAmYourFather is actually his father]]. More broadly, Kirby's idea of merging pulp sci-fi with Myth/ClassicalMythology may have influenced Lucas' idea to put TheHerosJourney [-IN SPACE-].
** The Forever People get a lot of ribbing for being more or less space hippies, but back in the day, making a book that was unapologetically in favor of anti-war activists was seen as incredibly daring--it was only a year after 58% of Americans blamed the Kent State Massacre on the students, and only three after ''Brother Power, The Geek'' was cancelled in its second issue. Nowadays, they're often dismissed as {{Fad Super}}s.
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* EvilIsCool: Darseid lord of Apokolips.
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* EvilIsCool: Darseid lord Darkseid, the EvilGod who acts as the BigBad of Apokolips.the entire saga, quickly became the series' most popular character, overshadowing even the protagonists when it comes to prominence within the larger ''DC'' mythos. This is largely due to his imposing design, impressive powers and complex personality.
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* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: There's no small amount of fans who consider Kirby's work to be the "main" part of the franchise, and everyone else's contributions to be secondary at best. This isn't helped by the franchise's MainstreamObscurity meaning that many of those other contributions outright contradict the themes and general lore and characterization of the original series.
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* HardToAdaptWork: Part of the reason why ''New Gods'' have never taken off as a mainstream name in superhero media [[MainstreamObscurity despite their massive influence on the DC Universe]] is the difficulty to adapt it. ''New Gods'' has ''a lot'' going on, with a complex mythos spanning cosmic locales that only very occasionally graze against the more common superheroic fare of the rest of DC, causing most adaptations to only borrow a limited pool of characters for newer stories rather than actually trying to remake the lore of ''New Gods''. This dynamic is part of why [[BigBad Darkseid]] is so monolithic as a BreakoutVillain -- it's just far easier to transplant ''the GodOfEvil'' as an enormous threat to more commonly-recognized groups like the Justice League than it is to establish the dynamic of New Genesis and Apokolips and the dozens of godly characters present.
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*EvilIsCool: Darseid lord of Apokolips.
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** The Franchise/{{DCAU}} animated incarnation is also seen by many to be definitive version outside the comics medium. It was also the first version to make Darkseid a firm part of Superman's rogue's gallery, with the comics following after. And of course being the DCAU, it features possibly the definitive voice cast for the characters.
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** The Franchise/{{DCAU}} Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse animated incarnation is also seen by many to be definitive version outside the comics medium. It was also the first version to make Darkseid a firm part of Superman's rogue's gallery, with the comics following after. And of course being the DCAU, it features possibly the definitive voice cast for the characters.
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** The other problem is that the stuff Kirby influenced are so much more famous. It was, for instance, one of the inspirations of ''Franchise/MastersOfTheUniverse'', to the point where the movie was originally intended to be a New Gods story before falling into DevelopmentHell. It was also arguably an inspiration for ''Franchise/StarWars'', and likewise it inspired ComicBook/{{Thanos}} who on account of the insane popularity of the ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'' is now far more famous than his inspiration, Darkseid, which might cause some TheyCopiedItSoItSucks if Darkseid himself appears at some point in the ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' post-''Film/{{Justice League|2017}}''.
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** The other problem is that the stuff Kirby influenced are so much more famous. It was, for instance, one of the inspirations of ''Franchise/MastersOfTheUniverse'', to the point where the movie was originally intended to be a New Gods ''New Gods'' story before falling into DevelopmentHell. It was also arguably an inspiration for ''Franchise/StarWars'', and likewise it inspired ComicBook/{{Thanos}} who on account of the insane popularity of the ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'' is now far more famous than his inspiration, Darkseid, which might cause some TheyCopiedItSoItSucks if Darkseid himself appears at some point in the ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' post-''Film/{{Justice League|2017}}''.Darkseid.
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: If you were born after [[Film/ANewHope 1977]], it can be pretty easy to dismiss ''New Gods'' as an uninspired ''Franchise/StarWars'' knockoff. In fact, the series began in ''[[OlderThanTheyThink 1971]]'', six years before ''Star Wars'' hit theaters--and it's likely that it was one of Creator/GeorgeLucas' primary artistic influences. You barely have to squint to see Kirby's fingerprints on Lucas' world: there's a metaphysical life-giving energy field called "The Source", a malevolent galactic conqueror in a dark helmet whose name sounds like "Dark Side", and even a hero who finds out that the dark-helmeted BigBad [[LukeIAmYourFather is actually his father]]. More broadly, Kirby's idea of merging pulp sci-fi with Myth/ClassicalMythology may have influenced Lucas' idea to put TheHerosJourney [-IN SPACE-].
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: SeinfeldIsUnfunny:
** If you were born after [[Film/ANewHope 1977]], it can be pretty easy to dismiss ''New Gods'' as an uninspired ''Franchise/StarWars'' knockoff. In fact, the series began in ''[[OlderThanTheyThink 1971]]'', six years before ''Star Wars'' hit theaters--and it's likely that it was one of Creator/GeorgeLucas' primary artistic influences. You barely have to squint to see Kirby's fingerprints on Lucas' world: there's a metaphysical life-giving energy field called "The Source", a malevolent galactic conqueror in a dark helmet whose name sounds like "Dark Side", and even a hero who finds out that the dark-helmeted BigBad [[LukeIAmYourFather is actually his father]]. More broadly, Kirby's idea of merging pulp sci-fi with Myth/ClassicalMythology may have influenced Lucas' idea to put TheHerosJourney [-IN SPACE-].
** If you were born after [[Film/ANewHope 1977]], it can be pretty easy to dismiss ''New Gods'' as an uninspired ''Franchise/StarWars'' knockoff. In fact, the series began in ''[[OlderThanTheyThink 1971]]'', six years before ''Star Wars'' hit theaters--and it's likely that it was one of Creator/GeorgeLucas' primary artistic influences. You barely have to squint to see Kirby's fingerprints on Lucas' world: there's a metaphysical life-giving energy field called "The Source", a malevolent galactic conqueror in a dark helmet whose name sounds like "Dark Side", and even a hero who finds out that the dark-helmeted BigBad [[LukeIAmYourFather is actually his father]]. More broadly, Kirby's idea of merging pulp sci-fi with Myth/ClassicalMythology may have influenced Lucas' idea to put TheHerosJourney [-IN SPACE-].
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* TheScrappy:
** The Forever People; Kirby's idea of space hippies was a complete flop with fans and the series is considered (along with the ''Jimmy Olsen'' installments of the original ''Fourth World'' Saga) the weakest and least liked part of the franchise.
** Takion, for reasons mentioned in CreatorsPet above.
** Grayven (though he technically debuted as a Franchise/GreenLantern villain). The "third son" of Darkseid, with none of the thematic basis of his brothers, and basically a 90s knock-off of his father with the same powers. However, considering he's Darkseid's [[TheUnfavourite least favorite son]], he might be an [[IntendedAudienceReaction intentional]] case.
** The Forever People; Kirby's idea of space hippies was a complete flop with fans and the series is considered (along with the ''Jimmy Olsen'' installments of the original ''Fourth World'' Saga) the weakest and least liked part of the franchise.
** Takion, for reasons mentioned in CreatorsPet above.
** Grayven (though he technically debuted as a Franchise/GreenLantern villain). The "third son" of Darkseid, with none of the thematic basis of his brothers, and basically a 90s knock-off of his father with the same powers. However, considering he's Darkseid's [[TheUnfavourite least favorite son]], he might be an [[IntendedAudienceReaction intentional]] case.
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* TheScrappy:
**TheScrappy: The Forever People; Kirby's idea of space hippies was a complete flop with fans and the series is considered (along with the ''Jimmy Olsen'' installments of the original ''Fourth World'' Saga) the weakest and least liked part of the franchise.
** Takion, for reasons mentioned in CreatorsPet above.
** Grayven (though he technically debuted as a Franchise/GreenLantern villain). The "third son" of Darkseid, with none of the thematic basis of his brothers, and basically a 90s knock-off of his father with the same powers. However, considering he's Darkseid's [[TheUnfavourite least favorite son]], he might be an [[IntendedAudienceReaction intentional]] case.franchise.
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** Takion, for reasons mentioned in CreatorsPet above.
** Grayven (though he technically debuted as a Franchise/GreenLantern villain). The "third son" of Darkseid, with none of the thematic basis of his brothers, and basically a 90s knock-off of his father with the same powers. However, considering he's Darkseid's [[TheUnfavourite least favorite son]], he might be an [[IntendedAudienceReaction intentional]] case.
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* {{Narm}}: With a name like the Black Racer, of course you're expecting... [[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/28855/1610037-black_racer_06.jpg a black guy skiing through the sky in a suit of armor adorned in primary colors]].
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Black Racer is [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Racer_(DC_Comics)#/media/File:Black_Racer_(Willie_Walker).png a black guy who skies through the sky in a suit of armor adorned in primary colors]].
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As written, this lacks context. "Character in an adaptation shares similar characteristics to their original design" is People Sit On Chairs.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Jack Kirby [[https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Steppenwolf_(New_Earth)/Gallery redesigning Steppenwolf to be more spiky]]. Zack Snyder would end up [[Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague doing the same]].
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** ComicBook/{{Darkseid}}, who became one of the DCU's most popular villains. Let's not forget he's the reason why ComicBook/{{Thanos}} existed after the idea was changed from being based on another New God, Metron.
** Mr Miracle, whose book outlasted both ''New Gods'' and ''Forever People''.
** Granny Goodness, who was given one of the best origins in the DC Universe in ''Secret Origins of Super-Villains 80-Page Giant #1''.
** Mr Miracle, whose book outlasted both ''New Gods'' and ''Forever People''.
** Granny Goodness, who was given one of the best origins in the DC Universe in ''Secret Origins of Super-Villains 80-Page Giant #1''.
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* CreatorsPet:
** [[https://web.archive.org/web/20110913060952/http://www.armagideon-time.com/?p=5903 Takion.]] Stuck out like a sore thumb, completely overpowered, whiny, derivative, a [[CanonForeigner retroactive addition]] (he's supposed to be the extension and guardian of the Source, but that role was already filled by the Infinity-Man)... so of course he gets to become the [[LegacyCharacter new Highfather]] and get Beautiful Dreamer as a girlfriend. Most fans ignore him or portray him as [[http://mightygodking.com/images/dong1/donewgods1-20.jpg laughably ineffectual.]] Notably, pretty much every post-''Death of the New Gods'' appearance of the series puts Izaya back in the Highfather slot.
** [[https://web.archive.org/web/20110913060952/http://www.armagideon-time.com/?p=5903 Takion.]] Stuck out like a sore thumb, completely overpowered, whiny, derivative, a [[CanonForeigner retroactive addition]] (he's supposed to be the extension and guardian of the Source, but that role was already filled by the Infinity-Man)... so of course he gets to become the [[LegacyCharacter new Highfather]] and get Beautiful Dreamer as a girlfriend. Most fans ignore him or portray him as [[http://mightygodking.com/images/dong1/donewgods1-20.jpg laughably ineffectual.]] Notably, pretty much every post-''Death of the New Gods'' appearance of the series puts Izaya back in the Highfather slot.
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* CreatorsPet:
**CreatorsPet: [[https://web.archive.org/web/20110913060952/http://www.armagideon-time.com/?p=5903 Takion.]] Stuck out like a sore thumb, completely overpowered, whiny, derivative, a [[CanonForeigner retroactive addition]] (he's supposed to be the extension and guardian of the Source, but that role was already filled by the Infinity-Man)... so of course he gets to become the [[LegacyCharacter new Highfather]] and get Beautiful Dreamer as a girlfriend. Most fans ignore him or portray him as [[http://mightygodking.com/images/dong1/donewgods1-20.jpg laughably ineffectual.]] Notably, pretty much every post-''Death of the New Gods'' appearance of the series puts Izaya back in the Highfather slot.
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A Base Breaking Character splits the fanbase into at least two camps of roughly the same size. If the majority of fans hate these characters, they are not this trope.
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** Takion and Grayven, both {{Canon Foreigner}}s who either distract from Kirby's creations or represent ongoing attempts to keep the original setting relevant.
** The Forever People: Kirby's attempt at writing hippies. Most fans hate them and consider them the worst part of the New Gods. Still others acknowledge that while the book wasn't particularly good, the intention was, and can still enjoy it as cheesy fun.
** Takion and Grayven, both {{Canon Foreigner}}s who either distract from Kirby's creations or represent ongoing attempts to keep the original setting relevant.
** The Forever People: Kirby's attempt at writing hippies. Most fans hate them and consider them the worst part of the New Gods. Still others acknowledge that while the book wasn't particularly good, the intention was, and can still enjoy it as cheesy fun.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
**BaseBreakingCharacter: Takion and Grayven, both {{Canon Foreigner}}s who either distract from Kirby's creations or represent ongoing attempts to keep the original setting relevant.
** The Forever People: Kirby's attempt at writing hippies. Most fans hate them and consider them the worst part of the New Gods. Still others acknowledge that while the book wasn't particularly good, the intention was, and can still enjoy it as cheesy fun.relevant.
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** The Forever People: Kirby's attempt at writing hippies. Most fans hate them and consider them the worst part of the New Gods. Still others acknowledge that while the book wasn't particularly good, the intention was, and can still enjoy it as cheesy fun.
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, the last volume was published in 2008, long before the New 52 was even conceived.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra:
** ''Return Of The New Gods'' - not for the series itself, which ranges between not-terrible to SoOkayItsAverage, but for the wholly unnecessary redesign of Orion to look more "superheroic". He trades in his helmet and Astro-Harness for something resembling [[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders Geo-Force's costume]] with a big "O" on his chest.
** Like with many things about the New 52, their run isn't held in high regard because of a severe case of AdaptationalVillainy.
** ''Return Of The New Gods'' - not for the series itself, which ranges between not-terrible to SoOkayItsAverage, but for the wholly unnecessary redesign of Orion to look more "superheroic". He trades in his helmet and Astro-Harness for something resembling [[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders Geo-Force's costume]] with a big "O" on his chest.
** Like with many things about the New 52, their run isn't held in high regard because of a severe case of AdaptationalVillainy.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra:
**AudienceAlienatingEra: ''Return Of The New Gods'' - not for the series itself, which ranges between not-terrible to SoOkayItsAverage, but for the wholly unnecessary redesign of Orion to look more "superheroic". He trades in his helmet and Astro-Harness for something resembling [[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders Geo-Force's costume]] with a big "O" on his chest.
** Like with many things about the New 52, their run isn't held in high regard because of a severe case of AdaptationalVillainy.chest.
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** Like with many things about the New 52, their run isn't held in high regard because of a severe case of AdaptationalVillainy.
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The entry fails to provide evidence that Starlin's run qualifies for this trope. Tom King's Mister Miracle was critically acclaimed and won a 2019 Eisner award. As far as I can tell, it's also held in high regard by most DC fans, so it avoids this trope altogether.
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** Starlin's contributions to the New Gods (Cosmic Odyssey, Death of the New Gods). Also, Tom King's Mr Miracle is considered this by some. King's version of Orion continues Starlin's take on the character, which presents Orion as a Grade-A jerk who treats everyone around him like trash.
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Dork Age was renamed
* AudienceAlienatingEra:
** ''Return Of The New Gods'' - not for the series itself, which ranges between not-terrible to SoOkayItsAverage, but for the wholly unnecessary redesign of Orion to look more "superheroic". He trades in his helmet and Astro-Harness for something resembling [[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders Geo-Force's costume]] with a big "O" on his chest.
** Starlin's contributions to the New Gods (Cosmic Odyssey, Death of the New Gods). Also, Tom King's Mr Miracle is considered this by some. King's version of Orion continues Starlin's take on the character, which presents Orion as a Grade-A jerk who treats everyone around him like trash.
** Like with many things about the New 52, their run isn't held in high regard because of a severe case of AdaptationalVillainy.
** ''Return Of The New Gods'' - not for the series itself, which ranges between not-terrible to SoOkayItsAverage, but for the wholly unnecessary redesign of Orion to look more "superheroic". He trades in his helmet and Astro-Harness for something resembling [[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders Geo-Force's costume]] with a big "O" on his chest.
** Starlin's contributions to the New Gods (Cosmic Odyssey, Death of the New Gods). Also, Tom King's Mr Miracle is considered this by some. King's version of Orion continues Starlin's take on the character, which presents Orion as a Grade-A jerk who treats everyone around him like trash.
** Like with many things about the New 52, their run isn't held in high regard because of a severe case of AdaptationalVillainy.
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* DorkAge:
** ''Return Of The New Gods'' - not for the series itself, which ranges between not-terrible to SoOkayItsAverage, but for the wholly unnecessary redesign of Orion to look more "superheroic". He trades in his helmet and Astro-Harness for something resembling [[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders Geo-Force's costume]] with a big "O" on his chest.
** Starlin's contributions to the New Gods (Cosmic Odyssey, Death of the New Gods). Also, Tom King's Mr Miracle is considered this by some. King's version of Orion continues Starlin's take on the character, which presents Orion as a Grade-A jerk who treats everyone around him like trash.
** Like with many things about the New 52, their run isn't held in high regard because of a severe case of AdaptationalVillainy.
** ''Return Of The New Gods'' - not for the series itself, which ranges between not-terrible to SoOkayItsAverage, but for the wholly unnecessary redesign of Orion to look more "superheroic". He trades in his helmet and Astro-Harness for something resembling [[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders Geo-Force's costume]] with a big "O" on his chest.
** Starlin's contributions to the New Gods (Cosmic Odyssey, Death of the New Gods). Also, Tom King's Mr Miracle is considered this by some. King's version of Orion continues Starlin's take on the character, which presents Orion as a Grade-A jerk who treats everyone around him like trash.
** Like with many things about the New 52, their run isn't held in high regard because of a severe case of AdaptationalVillainy.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Anything not written by Kirby has at least some people who claim this ([[CriticalResearchFailure sometimes]] [[MainstreamObscurity justified]]). Compounding the problem is that Kirby's work in canon is often treated with BroadStrokes, at best. Starlin's ''Death Of The New Gods'' in particular is often lumped in with ''Countdown'' as being this to ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. About the only successor works that people seem to have some acceptance for is Walt Simonson and Grant Morrison's takes (who at least seemed to have their hearts in the right place even if they didn't totally get it).
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Anything not written by Kirby has at least some people who claim this ([[CriticalResearchFailure sometimes]] (sometimes [[MainstreamObscurity justified]]). Compounding the problem is that Kirby's work in canon is often treated with BroadStrokes, at best. Starlin's ''Death Of The New Gods'' in particular is often lumped in with ''Countdown'' as being this to ''ComicBook/FinalCrisis''. About the only successor works that people seem to have some acceptance for is Walt Simonson and Grant Morrison's takes (who at least seemed to have their hearts in the right place even if they didn't totally get it).
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** While the New Gods aren't exactly mainstream, many in both the American comic book industry and fanbase often refer to how influential the series was. Yet one gets the impression many of those people ''never actually read it'', especially since a full collected edition of Kirby's series was only published in 2007-2008. Notable examples include Jim Starlin (Anti-Life as depicted in his ''Cosmic Odyssey'' [[CriticalResearchFailure does not work that way!]]) and Creator/JohnByrne (Sleez, the New God of... porn?). Indeed, it took the Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse to give a more Kirby-accurate approach and thanks to the latter's popularity, to the extent that people know the Anti-Life Equation (from the DCAU) it's one that is accurate to Kirby.
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** While the New Gods aren't exactly mainstream, many in both the American comic book industry and fanbase often refer to how influential the series was. Yet one gets the impression many of those people ''never actually read it'', especially since a full collected edition of Kirby's series was only published in 2007-2008. Notable examples include Jim Starlin (Anti-Life as depicted in his ''Cosmic Odyssey'' [[CriticalResearchFailure does not work that way!]]) way!) and Creator/JohnByrne (Sleez, the New God of... porn?). Indeed, it took the Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse to give a more Kirby-accurate approach and thanks to the latter's popularity, to the extent that people know the Anti-Life Equation (from the DCAU) it's one that is accurate to Kirby.
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** [[NeverMessWithGranny Granny Goodness]] is the self-styled EvilMatriarch to all of Apokolips's children and one of the evilest people to ever serve Darkseid. Having clawed her way into the graces of Darkseid and killed any trace of actual goodness left in her, Granny raises the children of Apokolips in "[[OrphanageOfFear orphanages]]" under constant, horrific torture, literally from the moment they're born; the few who manage to survive Granny's hellish teachings become nothing more than slaves who kill and die for Darkseid. Among Granny's children was Scott Free, Mr. Miracle, who was one of the few to ever escape Granny's vile clutches. Beyond this, Granny has death-marched slaves by the thousands into giant threshers to be ground up into raw fuel; [[ComicBook/AmazonsAttack manipulated the Amazons into a genocidal attack on Washington by posing as Athena]]; and nearly managed to destroy Oa during ''Final Crisis'' even after being reduced to a mere spirit. Endlessly loyal to her vile master's spirit-destroying ideals, Granny is DC's signature source of [[WouldHurtAChild child abuse]].
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** [[NeverMessWithGranny Granny Granny]] [[IronicName Goodness]] is the self-styled EvilMatriarch to all of Apokolips's children and one of the evilest people to ever serve Darkseid. Having clawed her way into the graces of Darkseid and killed any trace of actual goodness left in her, Granny raises the children of Apokolips in "[[OrphanageOfFear orphanages]]" under constant, horrific torture, literally from the moment they're born; the few who manage to survive Granny's hellish teachings become nothing more than slaves who kill and die for Darkseid. Among Granny's children was Scott Free, Mr. Miracle, who was one of the few to ever escape Granny's vile clutches. Beyond this, Granny has death-marched slaves by the thousands into giant threshers to be ground up into raw fuel; [[ComicBook/AmazonsAttack manipulated the Amazons into a genocidal attack on Washington by posing as Athena]]; and nearly managed to destroy Oa during ''Final Crisis'' even after being reduced to a mere spirit. Endlessly loyal to her vile master's spirit-destroying ideals, Granny is DC's signature source of [[WouldHurtAChild child abuse]].
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** In general, the fact that the New Gods are {{Physical God}}s from beyond mortal comprehension of time and space but have names like Darkseid, Mister Miracle, and Big Barda is incredibly silly, but it gives them a unique and endearing flavor and no DC writer would dare try to rename them.
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** [[MeaningfulName Desaad]], the God of Sadism and Darkseid's [[TortureTechnician chief inquisitor]], is a vicious sadist and one of the most wantonly cruel deities of all Apokolips. Having assisted Darkseid's rise to power, Desaad murdered Darkseid's first lover Suli before bargaining for his life with Darkseid by murdering his mistress--and Darkseid's mother--Queen Heggra. Desaad proceeds to enact ghastly tortures on a daily basis, [[EmotionEater basking in the pain and fear]] of his victims [[AndIMustScream while never letting them die]], even reaching across the cosmos to murder hapless mortals whole basking in their helpless, terrified agony. Desaad keeps whole groups enslaved in twisted amusement parks of torture with intent to create countless more across the cosmos. Ever the opportunist, Desaad has been willing to let all of Earth die to get what he wishes, has tried to spark a war with New Genesis and has [[TheStarscream even tried to betray Darkseid himself]] to make himself the supreme deity with the Multiverse becoming his playground and all who live his playthings.
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** [[MeaningfulName Desaad]], the God of Sadism and Darkseid's [[TortureTechnician chief inquisitor]], is a vicious sadist and one of the most wantonly cruel deities of all Apokolips. Having assisted Darkseid's rise to power, Desaad murdered Darkseid's first lover Suli before bargaining for his life with Darkseid by murdering his mistress--and Darkseid's mother--Queen Heggra. Desaad proceeds to enact ghastly tortures on a daily basis, [[EmotionEater basking in the pain and fear]] of his victims [[AndIMustScream while never letting them die]], even reaching across the cosmos to murder hapless mortals whole while basking in their helpless, terrified agony. Desaad keeps whole groups enslaved in twisted amusement parks of torture with intent to create countless more across the cosmos. Ever the opportunist, Desaad has been willing to let all of Earth die to get what he wishes, has tried to spark a war with New Genesis and has [[TheStarscream even tried to betray Darkseid himself]] to make himself the supreme deity with the Multiverse becoming his playground and all who live his playthings.
