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Idiot ball is not ymmv. Second, it's his house, or used to be. He was on automatic and that is in character.
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* IdiotBall: Who leaves the door unlocked when they go pee? And who just barges into a closed ''bathroom'' door?
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* IdiotBall: Who leaves the door unlocked when they go pee? And who just barges into a closed ''bathroom'' door?
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** While the judge putting restricting Daniel's visitation rights over his stunt is understandable, referring to Daniel as a social deviant just because he dressed up as an old lady seems a bit discriminatory by today's standards.
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** While the judge putting restricting Daniel's visitation rights over his stunt is understandable, referring to Daniel as a social deviant just because he dressed up as an old lady seems a bit discriminatory by today's standards.
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** While the judge may have been harsh, Daniel did commit a serious violation of his custody requirements.
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** While the judge putting restricting Daniel's visitation rights over his stunt is [[StrawmanHasAPoint understandable]], referring to Daniel as a social deviant just because he dressed up as an old lady seems a bit discriminatory by today's standards.
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** While the judge putting restricting Daniel's visitation rights over his stunt is [[StrawmanHasAPoint understandable]], understandable, referring to Daniel as a social deviant just because he dressed up as an old lady seems a bit discriminatory by today's standards.
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** In the ''Series/SuperhumanSamuraiSyberSquad'' episode "Starkey in Syberspace", the show’s protagonist Sam Collins (played by Matthew Lawrence) disguises himself as a girl just so he can get into a girl’s club. LikeFatherLikeSon perhaps?
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** While the judge may have been harsh, Daniel did commit a serious violation of his custody requirements.
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* ValuesResonance: Harvey Fierstein's character is depicted in a relatively positive light, if a bit camp. That he has a healthy relationship with his partner is downright progressive from a movie from 1993.
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** While the judge putting restricting Daniel's visitation rights over his stunt is [[StrawmanHasAPoint understandable]], referring to Daniel as a social deviant just because he dressed up as an old lady seems a bit discriminatory by today's standards.
*ValuesResonance: ValuesResonance:
** Harvey Fierstein's character is depicted in a relatively positive light, if a bit camp. That he has a healthy relationship with his partner is downright progressive from a movie from1993.1993.
** Lundy not being bothered by Daniel's crossdressing and even giving him his own kids' show for Mrs. Doubtfire is also pretty progressive for the early 1990s.
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** Harvey Fierstein's character is depicted in a relatively positive light, if a bit camp. That he has a healthy relationship with his partner is downright progressive from a movie from
** Lundy not being bothered by Daniel's crossdressing and even giving him his own kids' show for Mrs. Doubtfire is also pretty progressive for the early 1990s.
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* ValuesResonance: Harvey Fierstein's character is depicted in a relatively positive light, if a bit camp. That he has a healthy relationship with his partner is downright progressive from a movie from 1993, nearly two decades before the general public agreed same-sex marriage should be allowed at all.
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* ValuesResonance: Harvey Fierstein's character is depicted in a relatively positive light, if a bit camp. That he has a healthy relationship with his partner is downright progressive from a movie from 1993, nearly two decades before the general public agreed same-sex marriage should be allowed at all.1993.
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* FairForItsDay: Daniel's brother Frank and his boyfriend Jack. While they are unquestionably campy, their relationship is treated as perfectly normal and healthy and they are completely accepted by Daniel and their presumably elderly mother and both implied to be on good terms with Daniel's kids as well. While their portrayal can come across as dated now, it was a big deal in the 90's when gay relationships were largely unrepresented in mainstream media and casual homophobia was not uncommon to see gay characters treated as normal and likable characters.
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* FairForItsDay: Daniel's brother Frank and his boyfriend Jack. While they are unquestionably campy, their relationship is treated as perfectly normal and healthy and they are completely accepted by Daniel and their presumably elderly mother and both implied to be on good terms with Daniel's kids as well. While their portrayal can come across as dated now, it was a big deal in the 90's 90s when gay relationships were largely unrepresented in mainstream media and casual homophobia was not uncommon to see gay characters treated as normal and likable characters.
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* ValuesResonance: Harvey Fierstein's character is depicted in a relatively positive light, if a bit camp. That he has a healthy relationship with his partner is downright progressive from a movie from 1993, nearly two decades before the general public agreed same-sex marriage should be allowed at all.
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* FairForItsDay: Daniel's brother Frank and his boyfriend Jack. While they are unquestionably campy, their relationship is treated as perfectly normal and healthy and they are accepted by Daniel and their presumably elderly mother and both implied to be fairly close to Daniel's kids as well. While their portrayal can come across as dated now, it was a big deal in the 90's when gay relationships were largely unrepresented in mainstream media and casual homophobia was not uncommon.
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* FairForItsDay: Daniel's brother Frank and his boyfriend Jack. While they are unquestionably campy, their relationship is treated as perfectly normal and healthy and they are completely accepted by Daniel and their presumably elderly mother and both implied to be fairly close to on good terms with Daniel's kids as well. While their portrayal can come across as dated now, it was a big deal in the 90's when gay relationships were largely unrepresented in mainstream media and casual homophobia was not uncommon.uncommon to see gay characters treated as normal and likable characters.
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* ValuesDissonance: One of Daniel's personas in his invoked TerribleIntervieweesMontage is a trans woman, and Miranda immediately hangs up in horror upon hearing it, which comes off as transphobic today. If they even attempted the setup today, the turnoff would likely be emphasized as the persona's extreme disassociation with males, instead of her background itself.
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* ValuesDissonance: ValuesDissonance:
** One of Daniel's personas in his invoked TerribleIntervieweesMontage is a trans woman, and Miranda immediately hangs up in horror upon hearing it, which comes off as transphobic today. If they even attempted the setup today, the turnoff would likely be emphasized as the persona's extreme disassociation with males, instead of her background itself.
** One of Daniel's personas in his invoked TerribleIntervieweesMontage is a trans woman, and Miranda immediately hangs up in horror upon hearing it, which comes off as transphobic today. If they even attempted the setup today, the turnoff would likely be emphasized as the persona's extreme disassociation with males, instead of her background itself.
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** And the unseen social worker who monitors Daniel's visits after the deception is discovered, as he puts it, "like I'm some kind of a deviant".
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Daniel gets [[LineOfSightName his titular alias from a newspaper headline saying "Police Doubt Fire Was Accidental"]]. In January 2015, the house used for the Hillard home got attacked by an arsonist.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: HarsherInHindsight: Daniel gets [[LineOfSightName his titular alias from a newspaper headline saying "Police Doubt Fire Was Accidental"]]. In January 2015, the house used for the Hillard home got attacked by an arsonist.
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** Miranda is a much meaner, bitchier character. Daniel is no saint either, though, as he fantasizes about ways to kill her...''in front of the kids.
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** Miranda is a much meaner, bitchier character. Daniel is no saint either, though, as he fantasizes about ways to kill her...''in front of the kids.kids''.
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* FridgeBrilliance:
** Daniel quits a kid's cartoon because it doesn't condemn smoking harshly enough for his liking. When you see how devoted he is to his children, it makes him look a lot more responsible as a parent.
** People commonly criticize the opening scene for being unrealistic, explaining that they find a cartoon in the 90s with a smoking character to be outlandish. But it's likely that David was hired for a remastering of the cartoon from a time where smoking in a cartoon was commonplace, especially considering his talent for impersonation.
** Daniel quits a kid's cartoon because it doesn't condemn smoking harshly enough for his liking. When you see how devoted he is to his children, it makes him look a lot more responsible as a parent.
** People commonly criticize the opening scene for being unrealistic, explaining that they find a cartoon in the 90s with a smoking character to be outlandish. But it's likely that David was hired for a remastering of the cartoon from a time where smoking in a cartoon was commonplace, especially considering his talent for impersonation.
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Indentation.
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Even though he was saying it out of his jealousy over Miranda dating Stuart, Daniel (as Mrs. Doubtfire) had a perfectly legitimate point when he tells her it's too soon for her to start introducing her kids to a new man in their lives when they're still trying to deal with the divorce (which the film's timeline implies was just months ago).
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: StrawmanHasAPoint:
** Even though he was saying it out of his jealousy over Miranda dating Stuart, Daniel (as Mrs. Doubtfire) had a perfectly legitimate point when he tells her it's too soon for her to start introducing her kids to a new man in their lives when they're still trying to deal with the divorce (which the film's timeline implies was just months ago).
** Even though he was saying it out of his jealousy over Miranda dating Stuart, Daniel (as Mrs. Doubtfire) had a perfectly legitimate point when he tells her it's too soon for her to start introducing her kids to a new man in their lives when they're still trying to deal with the divorce (which the film's timeline implies was just months ago).
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Removing shoehorned UU entry used to complain about a character the troper didn't like.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Miranda definitely can come off as this. Yes, it is admittedly a problem that Daniel can't hold employment over petty reasons, but her refusal to ever discuss the problem calmly and put things into perspective makes Miranda come off as vindictive and petty. Not to mention her refusing to even consider WHY Daniel was dressed as Mrs. Doubtfire, before flying off the handle.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Miranda definitely can come off as this. Yes, it is admittedly a problem that Daniel can't hold employment over petty reasons, but her refusal to ever discuss the problem calmly and putting things into perspective makes Miranda come off as vindictive and petty. Not to mention her refusing to even consider WHY Daniel was dressed as Mrs. Doubtfire, before flying off the handle.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Miranda definitely can come off as this. Yes, it is admittedly a problem that Daniel can't hold employment over petty reasons, but her refusal to ever discuss the problem calmly and putting put things into perspective makes Miranda come off as vindictive and petty. Not to mention her refusing to even consider WHY Daniel was dressed as Mrs. Doubtfire, before flying off the handle.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Miranda definitely can come off as this. Yes, it is admittedly a problem that Daniel can't hold employment over petty reasons, but her refusal to ever discuss the problem calmly and putting things into perspective makes Miranda come off as vindictive and petty. Not to mention her refusing to even consider WHY Daniel was dressed as Mrs. Doubtfire, before flying off the handle.
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* FairForItsDay: Daniel's brother Frank and his boyfriend Jack. While they are unquestionably campy, their relationship is treated as perfectly normal and healthy and they are accepted by Daniel and his mother and both implied to be fairly close to Daniel's kids as well. While their portrayal can come across as dated now, it was a big deal in the 90's when gay relationships were largely unrepresented in mainstream media and casual homophobia was not uncommon.
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* FairForItsDay: Daniel's brother Frank and his boyfriend Jack. While they are unquestionably campy, their relationship is treated as perfectly normal and healthy and they are accepted by Daniel and his their presumably elderly mother and both implied to be fairly close to Daniel's kids as well. While their portrayal can come across as dated now, it was a big deal in the 90's when gay relationships were largely unrepresented in mainstream media and casual homophobia was not uncommon.
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* FairForItsDay: Daniel's brother Frank and his boyfriend Jack. While they are unquestionably campy, their relationship is treated as perfectly normal and healthy and they are accepted by Daniel and his mother and both implied to be fairly close to Daniel's kids as well. While their portrayal can come across as dated now, it was a big deal in the 90's when gay relationships were largely unrepresented in mainstream media and casual homophobia was not uncommon.
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** The viewer is expected to see Lou as being in the wrong when it comes to Daniel's heroic stand against depicting cigarettes glamorously in children's media. However, Daniel's conduct in the scene is grossly unprofessional for an actor; the time to ascertain the content of the script and decide whether he was willing to perform it should have been before committing to the project, and there was no excuse for fundamentally protesting the script out of nowhere when already in the midst of the premium recording session.
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Some Anvils Need To Be Dropped got cut, going to see if this fits better under An Aesop (and I'll probably make it shorter).
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The film presents a more realistic depiction of divorce than most media does. Daniel and Miranda are both presented as having valid reasons to separate because even after years of marriage, they've grown into different people than they were before and Miranda doesn't love Daniel as much as she once did. In the original script the two got back together in the end, but Sally Field and Robin Williams are both divorcees themselves and objected to the ending, as they felt it gave children false hope that divorced parents would always reconcile. The new ending instead focuses on Mrs. Doubtfire addressing a child that wrote to her about their parents getting divorced, and she explains that sometimes these things just happen with married couples, and it may be for the best for them so they can grow to be better people apart, and they may or may not get back together eventually. But it doesn't necessarily mean they don't care about their children anymore or that their family is broken now, because there are all sorts of non-traditional family patterns (foster parents, living with other relatives or even unrelated legal guardians, same-sex couples etc.) that are still perfectly valid and healthy. What is most important is that the child is loved and feels loved, no matter the type of family they are raised in.
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Intentional Shout-Outs shouldn't count
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* FridgeBrilliance: Daniel quits a kid's cartoon because it doesn't condemn smoking harshly enough for his liking. When you see how devoted he is to his children, it makes him look a lot more responsible as a parent.
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** Daniel quits a kid's cartoon because it doesn't condemn smoking harshly enough for his liking. When you see how devoted he is to his children, it makes him look a lot more responsible as a parent.
** Daniel quits a kid's cartoon because it doesn't condemn smoking harshly enough for his liking. When you see how devoted he is to his children, it makes him look a lot more responsible as a parent.
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Daniel gets [[LineOfSightName his titular alias from a newspaper headline saying "Police Doubt Fire Was Accidental"]]. In January 2015, the house used for the Hillard home got attacked by an arsonist. After Williams' death, the house was serving as an impromptu memorial as well.
* HeartwarmingInHindsight: After Robin Williams' death, Creator/MaraWilson paraphrased her most famous line from the film, saying of all the younger people who either worked with him or were fans "We're all his goddamn kids too."
* HeartwarmingInHindsight: After Robin Williams' death, Creator/MaraWilson paraphrased her most famous line from the film, saying of all the younger people who either worked with him or were fans "We're all his goddamn kids too."
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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Daniel gets [[LineOfSightName his titular alias from a newspaper headline saying "Police Doubt Fire Was Accidental"]]. In January 2015, the house used for the Hillard home got attacked by an arsonist. After Williams' death, the house was serving as an impromptu memorial as well.
* HeartwarmingInHindsight: After Robin Williams' death, Creator/MaraWilson paraphrased her most famous line from the film, saying of all the younger people who either worked with him or were fans "We're all his goddamn kids too."
* HeartwarmingInHindsight: After Robin Williams' death, Creator/MaraWilson paraphrased her most famous line from the film, saying of all the younger people who either worked with him or were fans "We're all his goddamn kids too."
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** Harvey Fierstein was a DragQueen early in his career. Here, Harvey Fierstein helps a man dress as a woman.
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* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: The Oscar-winning Mrs. Doubtfire getup, which took four hours to apply. Williams would often walk around town as Mrs. Doubtfire as it was such a pain to remove and reapply, which doubled as a handy way to test how believable it was. He never got caught, even when he visited a sex shop and handled several bits of merchandise.
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** Daniel ending up as a successful, wholesome kids' show host makes a quite amusing contrast to his playing a DepravedKidsShowHost in ''Film/DeathToSmoochy''.
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** Daniel ending up as a successful, wholesome kids' show host makes a quite amusing contrast to his Williams playing a DepravedKidsShowHost in ''Film/DeathToSmoochy''.
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*** On the same note, his getting so flustered by Mrs. Doubtfire's HurricaneOfEuphamisms, when he'd start dishing them out himself soon.
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*** On the same note, his getting so flustered by Mrs. Doubtfire's HurricaneOfEuphamisms, HurricaneOfEuphemisms, when he'd start dishing them out himself soon.
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*** On the same note, his getting so flustered by Mrs. Doubtfire's HurricaneOfEuphamisms, when he'd start dishing them out himself soon.
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** Daniel ending up as a successful, wholesome kids' show host makes a quite amusing contrast to his playing a DepravedKidsShowHost in ''Film/DeathToSmoochy''.
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** In ''Magazine/{{MAD}}'' Magazine's parody of this movie, there's a panel where the judge in the final hearing asks, "And now for the next case: Should the career of Creator/PierceBrosnan be declared legally dead?" Ummmm....[[Franchise/JamesBond no.]]
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** In ''Magazine/{{MAD}}'' Magazine's parody of this movie, there's a panel where the judge in the final hearing asks, "And now for the next case: Should the career of Creator/PierceBrosnan be declared legally dead?" Ummmm....[[Franchise/JamesBond no.]]no]].
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** Daniel's predicament could have been avoided if he weren't so immature. Despite that, he does genuinely live for his children and it does seem unfair from his point of view that they'd be with their career-obsessed mother more than him.
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** Daniel's predicament could have been avoided if he weren't wasn't so immature. Despite that, he does genuinely live for his children and it does seem unfair from his point of view that they'd be with their career-obsessed mother more than him.
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...Why was that there?
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** Miranda is a much meaner, bitchier character. Daniel is no saint either, though, as he fantasizes about ways to kill her...''in front of the kids.'design'
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** Miranda is a much meaner, bitchier character. Daniel is no saint either, though, as he fantasizes about ways to kill her...''in front of the kids.'design'