History YMMV / MetroidOtherM

28th Feb '17 12:13:55 PM DavidJCobb
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** Many detractors see the relationship between Samus and Adam as incredibly screwed up. [[http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html For example.]]

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** Many detractors see the relationship between Samus and Adam as incredibly screwed up. [[http://moonbase.[[http://web.archive.org/web/20160810082729/http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html For example.]]



* UnfortunateImplications: [[http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html The game that expresses Samus's femininity more than any other and is set on defining who she is]]... Is the game where she is at her most submissive to an authority figure, [[http://web.archive.org/web/20140416235555/http://www.g4tv.com/games/wii/61992/Metroid-Other-M/review/ such as when she unquestioningly follows the "authorization" code even though it endangers her life and the lives of her allies]], and that she has no practical reason to follow it (see "What An Idiot"). It is the game that emphasizes her lack of presence when compared to men, ([[http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Samus_Aran taking her from being the 6'3 long-established by manuals and guides to 5' 1", a height shorter than most men]]), most notably near the ending [[spoiler:where she can't bring herself to shoot the BigBad, and has to wait for men to do it for her]]. It is the only game where she is reduced to tears and in fact suffers through a few emotional breakdowns - most notably after encountering Ridley, even though she had canonically faced him many times before ([[http://0verhyped.com/2012/08/15/was-metroid-other-m-sexist-part-3-the-character-of-samus/ and that she had previously overcome her phobia of him]] [[AllThereInTheManual that she had in the manga, which the plot of the game is based upon]]). It is the game that leaves her in many in helpless positions, such as the aforementioned scene with Ridley. It does not seem to say too much positive about Samus as a woman or femininity at all, besides [[StayInTheKitchen motherhood being a good thing]] (maybe, though motherly displays lead to characters doing stupid or immoral things more often than not).

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* UnfortunateImplications: [[http://moonbase.[[http://web.archive.org/web/20160810082729/http://moonbase.rydia.net/mental/blog/gaming/metroid-other-m-the-elephant/article.html The game that expresses Samus's femininity more than any other and is set on defining who she is]]... Is the game where she is at her most submissive to an authority figure, [[http://web.archive.org/web/20140416235555/http://www.g4tv.com/games/wii/61992/Metroid-Other-M/review/ such as when she unquestioningly follows the "authorization" code even though it endangers her life and the lives of her allies]], and that she has no practical reason to follow it (see "What An Idiot"). It is the game that emphasizes her lack of presence when compared to men, ([[http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Samus_Aran taking her from being the 6'3 long-established by manuals and guides to 5' 1", a height shorter than most men]]), most notably near the ending [[spoiler:where she can't bring herself to shoot the BigBad, and has to wait for men to do it for her]]. It is the only game where she is reduced to tears and in fact suffers through a few emotional breakdowns - most notably after encountering Ridley, even though she had canonically faced him many times before ([[http://0verhyped.com/2012/08/15/was-metroid-other-m-sexist-part-3-the-character-of-samus/ and that she had previously overcome her phobia of him]] [[AllThereInTheManual that she had in the manga, which the plot of the game is based upon]]). It is the game that leaves her in many in helpless positions, such as the aforementioned scene with Ridley. It does not seem to say too much positive about Samus as a woman or femininity at all, besides [[StayInTheKitchen motherhood being a good thing]] (maybe, though motherly displays lead to characters doing stupid or immoral things more often than not).
20th Feb '17 4:31:29 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* ScapegoatCreator: Although it's not nearly as bad now as it was when the game came out, and regardless of what you might think of the final product, there are still quite a lot of people who blame Team Ninja for this game (especially Samus' portrayal) when Yoshio Sakamoto was responsible for much of the game's elements.

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* ScapegoatCreator: Although it's not nearly as bad now as it was when the game came out, and regardless of what you might think of the final product, there are still quite a lot of people who blame Team Ninja for this game (especially Samus' portrayal) when Yoshio Sakamoto was responsible for much many of the game's more debated elements.
20th Jan '17 3:33:05 AM dvorak
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** Samus' suit being controlled through intense concentration was mentioned in the Super Metroid issue of ''Nintendo Power''. The Concentration move is basically the Crystal Flash without having to eat a Power Bomb.
12th Jan '17 4:15:15 PM Rebu
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** In ''Fusion'', Samus describes Adam as a "brilliant military mind". This game portrays him performing such brilliant military tactics as sitting in a safe control room and [[LetsSplitUpGang telling his men to split up]] in an unsecured combat zone. Oh, and inexplicably refusing to tell Samus to activate her Varia Suit.


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* SignatureScene: The controversial scene where Samus runs through a lava zone without activating her Varia Suit, and Adam doesn't authorize it.
6th Jan '17 8:44:38 AM SeptimusHeap
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* FreudWasRight:
** Fans feel Samus talks about [[YouNeedToGetLaid babies a little too much]].
** The game [[{{Anvilicious}} is about as subtle as a hammer to the face]] with the Freudian symbolism. [[FunWithAcronyms The acronym of the title is spelled "M:OM"]], the constant references to Mother Brain (MB, the opening), the location of the game being shaped like a Baby's bottle (and is even ''called'' the BOTTLE SHIP), Samus being summoned there by a "Baby's Cry" distress call, to Melissa Bergman's relationship with Madeline. [[FridgeHorror It's as if Sakamoto is trying to tell us something about his opinion on Samus…]]
** Other M. Just swap them around and you've got "M Other". Mother.
7th Dec '16 8:09:06 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** There's also a small section of fans that have blamed the Other M haters for the BrokenBase as well as the game not doing well. They seem to believe that the fanbase became too critical and too nitpicky about the series, administering some FanDumb along the way. It wasn't the game that was bad to them, but rather the people's reaction to it. They might have a point, seeing as how many changes to the series over time, and many a ContestedSequel throughout the years (not to mention how vicious some haters to ''Other M'' can be to those that express their liking of the game) might have proven that some in the fandom just cannot be pleased no matter what anyone chooses to do with the series.

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** There's also a small section of fans that have blamed the Other M haters for the BrokenBase as well as the game not doing well. They seem to believe that the fanbase became too critical and too nitpicky about the series, administering some FanDumb along the way.series. It wasn't the game that was bad to them, but rather the people's reaction to it. They might have a point, seeing as how many changes to the series over time, and many a ContestedSequel throughout the years (not to mention how vicious some haters to ''Other M'' can be to those that express their liking of the game) might have proven that some in the fandom just cannot be pleased no matter what anyone chooses to do with the series.
7th Dec '16 7:57:02 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* LeftHanging: This could have been what this game also did. A Metroid game usually has self containing plotlines that wrap up neatly by the end of the game. ''Other M'' might have gotten backlash due to parts of the story that were never explained fully, if at all. This could have been because of this being a "Project M" game, which might have meant that the story for ''Other M'' could have been one that was meant to continue across multiple games.
** Also, no game in the series before ''Other M'' depended on the player to have an understanding of plot points and backstory from other Metroid media (in this case, the Metroid Manga) to fully understand why what happened during Samus' encounter with Ridley happened the way it did.



* TheyWereHoldingYouBack: Some have blamed the Wii's aging hardware, and some of Nintendo's restrictions, for some of the game's shortcomings, and thus, think that it could've been the developers holding back on what they really wanted to do with the game. Had they had more freedom (or maybe the clearance to make a second game to continue the story), this could all be cleared up:
** Let's face it, the Wii wasn't that powerful, and for a time when we had the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3 doing well by comparison. ''Other M'' had full FMV cut scenes that seemed to have some artifacting going on. The game might have been demanding way too much of the hardware it was using (and this was made pretty late into its lifespan, as it was around this time that word of what would become the Wii U became known).
** This might have been why things might not have been explained: not enough time or space or power to really do it all in one go (see LeftHanging above). They might have planned to add more to the Ridley scene, but could not because they just didn't have the resources to add the additional scenes. One might wonder what this game could have been had it been run on the hardware the Wii's competition had at the time.
** The rating seemed to have a hand in this, too. For years, Metroid had gotten a Teen rating (or the regional equivalent). But one could argue that, if things like flashbacks were added, given that we were delving into Samus' backstory as a young girl, it could've easily been enough to cross into Mature rating territory, something that Nintendo has not really had much of a willingness to create (''Eternal Darkness'' was the last M rated game Nintendo had a hand in developing). Given that Nintendo edited out the "Damn" expression from the commander in Prime 3 for the Trilogy rerelease, this theory might have some truth to it. Some have said that it could have been time for a M rated Metroid game. If there's one franchise that could benefit from some more graphic content, after all, it would be Metroid.
7th Dec '16 7:53:59 PM darkpowrjd
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* LeftHanging: This could have been what this game also did. A Metroid game usually has self containing plotlines that wrap up neatly by the end of the game. ''Other M'' might have gotten backlash due to parts of the story that were never explained fully, if at all. This could have been because of this being a "Project M" game, which might have meant that the story for ''Other M'' could have been one that was meant to continue across multiple games.
** Also, no game in the series before ''Other M'' depended on the player to have an understanding of plot points and backstory from other Metroid media (in this case, the Metroid Manga) to fully understand why what happened during Samus' encounter with Ridley happened the way it did.


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* TheyWereHoldingYouBack: Some have blamed the Wii's aging hardware, and some of Nintendo's restrictions, for some of the game's shortcomings, and thus, think that it could've been the developers holding back on what they really wanted to do with the game. Had they had more freedom (or maybe the clearance to make a second game to continue the story), this could all be cleared up:
** Let's face it, the Wii wasn't that powerful, and for a time when we had the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3 doing well by comparison. ''Other M'' had full FMV cut scenes that seemed to have some artifacting going on. The game might have been demanding way too much of the hardware it was using (and this was made pretty late into its lifespan, as it was around this time that word of what would become the Wii U became known).
** This might have been why things might not have been explained: not enough time or space or power to really do it all in one go (see LeftHanging above). They might have planned to add more to the Ridley scene, but could not because they just didn't have the resources to add the additional scenes. One might wonder what this game could have been had it been run on the hardware the Wii's competition had at the time.
** The rating seemed to have a hand in this, too. For years, Metroid had gotten a Teen rating (or the regional equivalent). But one could argue that, if things like flashbacks were added, given that we were delving into Samus' backstory as a young girl, it could've easily been enough to cross into Mature rating territory, something that Nintendo has not really had much of a willingness to create (''Eternal Darkness'' was the last M rated game Nintendo had a hand in developing). Given that Nintendo edited out the "Damn" expression from the commander in Prime 3 for the Trilogy rerelease, this theory might have some truth to it. Some have said that it could have been time for a M rated Metroid game. If there's one franchise that could benefit from some more graphic content, after all, it would be Metroid.
7th Dec '16 7:30:10 PM darkpowrjd
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** There's also a small section of fans that have blamed the Other M haters for the BrokenBase as well as the game not doing well. They seem to believe that the fanbase became too critical and too nitpicky about the series, administering some FanDumb along the way. It wasn't the game that was bad to them, but rather the people's reaction to it. They might have a point, seeing as how many changes to the series over time, and many a ContestedSequel throughout the years (not to mention how vicious some haters to ''Other M'' can be to those that express their liking of the game) might have proven that some in the fandom just cannot be pleased no matter what anyone chooses to do with the series.



* ScapegoatCreator: Although it's not nearly as bad now as it was when the game came out, there are still quite a lot of people who blame Team Ninja for this game (especially Samus' portrayal) when Yoshio Sakamoto was at fault for many of the game's problems.

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* ScapegoatCreator: Although it's not nearly as bad now as it was when the game came out, and regardless of what you might think of the final product, there are still quite a lot of people who blame Team Ninja for this game (especially Samus' portrayal) when Yoshio Sakamoto was at fault responsible for many much of the game's problems.elements.
6th Nov '16 10:23:21 AM Berrenta
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* InkStainAdaptation: A common critique of the game's story, the first serious attempt to examine Samus Aran's character, has poisoned the well for future games.
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