Follow TV Tropes

Following

History YMMV / Merlin1998

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** There's also the Lady of the Lake's words of reassurance after Merlin's plans have all gone wrong.
-->'''The Lady of the Lake:''' It's human to make mistakes Merlin, and part of you is human. The ''best'' part.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Shortly after Morgan le Fay dies, Mordred comments, “She sleeps alone, at last.”
** The second time we see Vortigern's castle under construction collapse:
--->'''Architect:''' The foundations are as strong as-!
--->*camera shifts to Vortigern's face, we hear the castle fall and see rocks tumble down the cliff in the background, and Vortigern's suppressed rage*
--->'''Vortigern:''' *DeathGlare* ...you were saying?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Page move
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** This isn't the last time Lena Headey would play a [[GameOfThrones queen cheating on her husband with one of his knights]].

to:

** This isn't the last time Lena Headey would play a [[GameOfThrones [[Series/GameOfThrones queen cheating on her husband with one of his knights]].

Changed: 213

Removed: 1121

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Please present all Complete Monster candidates in this thread.


* CompleteMonster: While most of the villains have some redeeming traits, Vortigern goes all the way. In addition to being a tyrant and a power-hungry conquerer, he takes the daughter of one of his most loyal lords captive and threatens to kill her himself if her father doesn't behave, just because he doesn't trust anyone, and casually refers to having murdered men, women, and children just for mouthing off to him.
** Mordred is even worse. He injures or murders castle servants while practicing archery, shoots arrows at everyone in the room just because one of them commented that his performance was "less than perfect," acts disturbingly excited and pleased at the thought of Elaine's heartbreak, laughs at his own mother's death, starts a war and plunges Britain into chaos, etc. In the novelizations, his evil is stepped up a notch, and his motives border on ChaoticEvil OmnicidalManiac doing it ForTheEvulz.



* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Several. Just about every one is also a TearJerker, though.

to:

* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Several. Just about every Every one is also a TearJerker, though.



** If forgetting Queen Mab is the only thing that can ultimately defeat her, then isn't Merlin shooting himself in the foot by spending the rest of his life telling stories about her?
*** Though it becomes FridgeBrilliance if you consider that the decline of the Old Ways and Mab's death in particular were very bittersweet for Merlin. He may be trying to keep them alive despite himself.

to:

** If forgetting Queen Mab is the only thing that can ultimately defeat her, then isn't Merlin shooting himself in the foot by spending the rest of his life telling stories about her?
***
her? Though it becomes FridgeBrilliance if you consider that the decline of the Old Ways and Mab's death in particular were very bittersweet for Merlin. He may be trying to keep them alive despite himself.

Added: 206

Changed: 1

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** So, [[spoiler: Gallahad]] was the real ChosenOne, instead of [[spoiler: [[TheUnchosenOne Lancelot]] ]]. So, a [[spoiler: 10-year-old boy]] was supposed to win the joust?

to:

** So, [[spoiler: Gallahad]] Galahad]] was the real ChosenOne, instead of [[spoiler: [[TheUnchosenOne Lancelot]] ]]. So, a [[spoiler: 10-year-old boy]] was supposed to win the joust?


Added DiffLines:

*** At one time Frik is shown writing fairy tales, so that Mab and he will be remembered. Mab is dismissive of this, but Frik seems to keep all options open. Perhaps he has seen the triumph of Christianity.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* IronWoobie: Merlin himself.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The cutaway scene of Queen Mab and Frik dancing (for a very loose definition of dancing). The latter you might forgive, but the former...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* EvilIsSexy: Queen Mab.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** This isn't the last time Lena Headey would play a [[GameOfThrones queen cheating on her husband with one of his knights]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Merlin, meanwhile, spends the film on a vengeance quest to destroy an entire religion because he's angry at one goddess (though he knows that the other members of the pantheon are good), becoming a knowing accomplice to a rape in order to help achieve his goals. He then complains that men don't live up to his lofty moral standards.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Time can be rewritten. Presumably that was what he was aiming for.

to:

** *** Time can be rewritten. Presumably that was what he was aiming for.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** It's only an illusion when the Fey do it. Merlin used a different kind of magic to do that. It's explained more in the novelization.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Alas Poor Villain is being moved back to Main. Examples that don\'t describe the moment or are purely editor opinion are being deleted.


* AlasPoorVillain: It's a bit hard not to feel for [[spoiler: Queen Mab as she fades from existence along with the last of the world's magic and the Old Ways, crying out for Merlin and Frik to look at her, rasping that she loves Merlin as a son while her voice grows increasingly thin and hoarse.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Time can be rewritten. Presumably that was what he was aiming for.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** If Frik can see so far into the future as to know about early modern French aristocrats, he should also foresee the inevitable triumph of Christianity in Europe.

Added: 273

Changed: 17

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Another occurs betweehn Morgan and Frik, after their magic has slipped away about are back to being homely:

to:

** Another occurs betweehn between Morgan and Frik, after their magic has slipped away about and both are back to being homely:



*** Thought it becomes FridgeBrilliance if you consider that the decline of the Old Ways and Mab's death in particular were very bittersweet for Merlin. He may be trying to keep them alive despite himself.

to:

*** Thought Though it becomes FridgeBrilliance if you consider that the decline of the Old Ways and Mab's death in particular were very bittersweet for Merlin. He may be trying to keep them alive despite himself.



*** There's also the fact that the stories would be telling people about Mab...but that she ''used'' to exist, and would include the ending in which she faded away. So even as they told people of Mab they'd be reinforcing the fact she is just a memory, a thing of the past.



** If changing form is just an illusion then [[spoiler: Merlin and Nimue will still be dead in a few years despite Merlin's apparent youthinization of them both at the end.]]

to:

** If changing form is just an illusion then [[spoiler: Merlin and Nimue will still be dead in a few years despite Merlin's apparent youthinization youthening of them both at the end.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


'''Morgana:''' Oh, yes. Beyond words. [dies]

to:

'''Morgana:''' '''Morgan:''' Oh, yes. Beyond words. [dies]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Another occurs betweehn Morgana and Frik, after their magic has slipped away about are back to being homely (paraphrased):
-->'''Morgana:''' Am I still beautiful? \\
'''Frik:''' Beyond words. Am I still beautiful? \\
'''Morgana:''' Beyond words. [dies]

to:

** Another occurs betweehn Morgana Morgan and Frik, after their magic has slipped away about are back to being homely (paraphrased):
-->'''Morgana:''' Am
homely:
-->'''Morgan:''' Frik, my love, am
I still beautiful? \\
beautiful?\\
'''Frik:''' Beyond words. words, my love. Am I still beautiful? \\
I?\\
'''Morgana:''' Oh, yes. Beyond words. [dies]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* If forgetting Queen Mab is the only thing that can ultimately defeat her, then isn't Merlin shooting himself in the foot by spending the rest of his life telling stories about her?
** Thought it becomes FridgeBrilliance if you consider that the decline of the Old Ways and Mab's death in particular were very bittersweet for Merlin. He may be trying to keep them alive despite himself.
** In the novelizations, Merlin doesn't include Mab in any of his stories, instead attributing her deeds to Morgan le Fay or Mordred, and Frik does the same thing. This is implied to be the thing that Frik noted was "omitted" from Merlin's story at the end.
** Maybe he took a page from Terry Pratchett? When you tell stories about something, people ''know'' about them more, but ''believe'' about them less. Tell magical, fantastical stories about the FairFolk today: next stop, nursery wallpaper.
* So, [[spoiler: Gallahad]] was the real ChosenOne, instead of [[spoiler: [[TheUnchosenOne Lancelot]] ]]. So, a [[spoiler: 10-year-old boy]] was supposed to win the joust?
** Had Merlin known that [[spoiler: Galahad]] was TheChosenOne he wouldn't put a kid in a jousting match. Also, it's that he would be the perfect knight when he was grown up, not as a kid. It's not suggested that he has to win a jousting match anyway, just that he has to be a man of pure heart.
* If changing form is just an illusion then [[spoiler: Merlin and Nimue will still be dead in a few years despite Merlin's apparent youthinization of them both at the end.]]

to:

* ** If forgetting Queen Mab is the only thing that can ultimately defeat her, then isn't Merlin shooting himself in the foot by spending the rest of his life telling stories about her?
** *** Thought it becomes FridgeBrilliance if you consider that the decline of the Old Ways and Mab's death in particular were very bittersweet for Merlin. He may be trying to keep them alive despite himself.
** *** In the novelizations, Merlin doesn't include Mab in any of his stories, instead attributing her deeds to Morgan le Fay or Mordred, and Frik does the same thing. This is implied to be the thing that Frik noted was "omitted" from Merlin's story at the end.
** *** Maybe he took a page from Terry Pratchett? When you tell stories about something, people ''know'' about them more, but ''believe'' about them less. Tell magical, fantastical stories about the FairFolk today: next stop, nursery wallpaper.
* ** So, [[spoiler: Gallahad]] was the real ChosenOne, instead of [[spoiler: [[TheUnchosenOne Lancelot]] ]]. So, a [[spoiler: 10-year-old boy]] was supposed to win the joust?
** *** Had Merlin known that [[spoiler: Galahad]] was TheChosenOne he wouldn't put a kid in a jousting match. Also, it's that he would be the perfect knight when he was grown up, not as a kid. It's not suggested that he has to win a jousting match anyway, just that he has to be a man of pure heart.
* ** If changing form is just an illusion then [[spoiler: Merlin and Nimue will still be dead in a few years despite Merlin's apparent youthinization of them both at the end.]]

Added: 353

Changed: 209

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FridgeLogic: If forgetting Queen Mab is the only thing that can ultimately defeat her, then isn't Merlin shooting himself in the foot by spending the rest of his life telling stories about her?

to:

* FridgeLogic: If FridgeLogic:
*If
forgetting Queen Mab is the only thing that can ultimately defeat her, then isn't Merlin shooting himself in the foot by spending the rest of his life telling stories about her?



* More FridgeLogic: So, [[spoiler: Gallahad]] was the real ChosenOne, instead of [[spoiler: [[TheUnchosenOne Lancelot]] ]]. So, a [[spoiler: 10-year-old boy]] was supposed to win the joust?
** However, had Merlin known that [[spoiler: Galahad]] was TheChosenOne he wouldn't put a kid in a jousting match. Also, it's that he would be the perfect knight when he was grown up, not as a kid. It's not suggested that he has to win a jousting match anyway, just that he has to be a man of pure heart.

to:

* More FridgeLogic: So, *So, [[spoiler: Gallahad]] was the real ChosenOne, instead of [[spoiler: [[TheUnchosenOne Lancelot]] ]]. So, a [[spoiler: 10-year-old boy]] was supposed to win the joust?
** However, had Had Merlin known that [[spoiler: Galahad]] was TheChosenOne he wouldn't put a kid in a jousting match. Also, it's that he would be the perfect knight when he was grown up, not as a kid. It's not suggested that he has to win a jousting match anyway, just that he has to be a man of pure heart.heart.
*If changing form is just an illusion then [[spoiler: Merlin and Nimue will still be dead in a few years despite Merlin's apparent youthinization of them both at the end.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Rude is not cool.


** I roll my eyes at this one, since it makes no sense that had Merlin known that [[spoiler: Galahad]] was TheChosenOne that he'd put a kid in a jousting match. Also, it's that he would be the perfect knight when he was grown up, not as a kid. This isn't a case of FridgeLogic because it's not suggested that he has to win a jousting match anyway, just that he has to be a man of pure heart.

to:

** I roll my eyes at this one, since it makes no sense that However, had Merlin known that [[spoiler: Galahad]] was TheChosenOne that he'd he wouldn't put a kid in a jousting match. Also, it's that he would be the perfect knight when he was grown up, not as a kid. This isn't a case of FridgeLogic because it's It's not suggested that he has to win a jousting match anyway, just that he has to be a man of pure heart.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Another occurs betweehn Morgana and Frik, after their magic has slipped away about are back to being homely (paraphrased):
-->'''Morgana:''' Am I still beautiful? \\
'''Frik:''' Beyond words. Am I still beautiful? \\
'''Morgana:''' Beyond words. [dies]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** I roll my eyes at this one, since it makes no sense that had Merlin known that [[spoiler: Galahad]] was TheChosenOne that he'd put a kid in a jousting match. Also, it's that he would be the perfect knight when he was grown up, not as a kid. This isn't a case of FridgeLogic because it's not suggested that he has to win a jousting match anyway, just that he has to be a man of pure heart.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* More FridgeLogic: So, Gallahad was the real ChosenOne, instead of [[TheUnchosenOne Lancelot]]. So, a 10-year-old boy was supposed to win the joust?

to:

* More FridgeLogic: So, Gallahad [[spoiler: Gallahad]] was the real ChosenOne, instead of [[spoiler: [[TheUnchosenOne Lancelot]]. Lancelot]] ]]. So, a [[spoiler: 10-year-old boy boy]] was supposed to win the joust?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* More FridgeLogic: So, Gallahad was the real ChosenOne, instead of [[TheUnchosenOne Lancelot]]. So, a 10-year-old boy was supposed to win the joust?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation / WellIntentionedExtremist: Queen Mab acted completely selflessly througout; her entire plot was an answer to the woman's prayer in the beginning, who cried "Queen Mab!" It was an ordinary British human who prayed for the Old Ways to come back.

to:

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation / WellIntentionedExtremist: Queen Mab acted completely selflessly througout; her entire plot was an answer to the woman's prayer in the beginning, who cried "Queen Mab!" Mab!"; It was an ordinary British human who prayed for the Old Ways to come back.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation / WellIntentionedExtremist: Queen Mab acted completely selflessly througout; her entire plot was an answer to the woman's prayer in the beginning, who cried "Queen Mab!" It was an ordinary British human who prayed for the Old Ways to come back.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FridgeLogic: If forgetting Queen Mab is the only thing that can ultimately defeat her, then isn't Merlin shooting himself in the leg by spending the rest of his life telling stories about her?

to:

* FridgeLogic: If forgetting Queen Mab is the only thing that can ultimately defeat her, then isn't Merlin shooting himself in the leg foot by spending the rest of his life telling stories about her?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* FridgeLogic: If forgetting Queen Mab is the only thing that can ultimately defeat her, then isn't Merlin shooting himself in the leg by spending the rest of his life telling stories about her?
** Thought it becomes FridgeBrilliance if you consider that the decline of the Old Ways and Mab's death in particular were very bittersweet for Merlin. He may be trying to keep them alive despite himself.
** In the novelizations, Merlin doesn't include Mab in any of his stories, instead attributing her deeds to Morgan le Fay or Mordred, and Frik does the same thing. This is implied to be the thing that Frik noted was "omitted" from Merlin's story at the end.
** Maybe he took a page from Terry Pratchett? When you tell stories about something, people ''know'' about them more, but ''believe'' about them less. Tell magical, fantastical stories about the FairFolk today: next stop, nursery wallpaper.

Top