History YMMV / MarvelUniverse

10th Aug '16 10:41:35 AM marcoasalazarm
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* DorkAge: ''Civil War'' and ''Avengers Vs X-Men''

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* DorkAge: ''Civil War'' and ''Avengers Vs X-Men''X-Men''. Some people are being quick to also add the 2016 ''Secret Wars'' (because of it ending the ''Ultimate'' universe and bringing its characters to the 616) and the second ''Civil War'' to this.
24th Jul '16 2:49:14 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Eddie Brock: Either a complex [[{{Badass}} badass]] who should be in more comics or a boring, one-dimensional NinetiesAntiHero [[TheArtifact artifact]] that needs to just go away. This depends largely on whether he's playing the villain or the hero.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Eddie Brock: Either a complex [[{{Badass}} badass]] who should be in more comics or a boring, one-dimensional NinetiesAntiHero [[TheArtifact artifact]] that needs to just go away. This depends largely on whether he's playing the villain or the hero.
16th May '16 4:58:52 PM Karxrida
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* SupposedlyRebelliousSeries: A lot of Marvel fans take pride in Marvel's origins as a rebellious series that pushed boundaries, forgetting that this was largely a trait of TheSixties and not as true of the eras that came later:
** It is true that in its early years, Marvel upset many conventions: neurotic characters, Teenage Hero instead of KidSidekick, stories set in real-world cities, superheroes who had no SecretIdentity (like the Fantastic Four). In its early years it even averted ComicBookTime and showed characters growing and changing as the story advanced with Reed and Sue marrying in the original run of the Fantastic Four, Spiderman going from High School to College. From the 70s, Marvel adopted ComicBookTime, engaged in SoapOpera plots and teases in the grand 50s Superman tradition and advocated the "illusion of change", big event comics that seemed to make changes only for it to get hastily retconned.
** As noted by Creator/AlanMoore in his article (for Marvel UK's magazine ''Daredevils') "Blinded by the Hype":
--> '''[[http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/9/25/alan-moores-lost-stan-lee-essay.html Alan Moore]]''':''You see, somewhere along the line, one of the newer breed of Marvel editors ... had come up with one of those incredibly snappy sounding and utterly stupid little pieces of folk-wisdom that some editors seem to like pulling out of the hat from time to time... 'Readers donít want change. Readers only want the illusion of change.' Like I said, [[ItSeemedLikeAGoodIdeaAtTheTime it sounds perceptive and well-reasoned on first listening]]. It is also, in my opinion, one of the most specious and retarded theories that it has ever been my misfortune to come across ... If readers are that averse to change then [[ArmorPiercingQuestion how come Marvel ever got to be so popular in the first place]], [[TheSixties back when]] [[Creator/JackKirby constant change]] and [[Creator/SteveDitko innovation]] was [[GloryDays the order of the day]]?



** ''Avengers Assemble'', like ''USM'', has the burden of following from a well received Marvel show, in this case ''Earth's Mightiest Heroes.'' Season 1 was decried for too much focus on Tony (And his VA has also gotten mixed reception), a controversial version of Falcon, and female fans were incensed at how Black Widow was pretty much the ''only'' female character in Season 1, and even she was absent for several episodes. Season 2 has been seen as an overall improvement, with Widow now in every episode, Falcon getting a new and improved redesign and more focus on the team as a whole.

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** ''Avengers Assemble'', like ''USM'', has the burden of following from a well received Marvel show, in this case ''Earth's Mightiest Heroes.'' Season 1 was decried for too much focus on Tony (And his VA has also gotten mixed reception), a controversial version of Falcon, and female fans were incensed at how Black Widow was pretty much the ''only'' female character in Season 1, and even she was absent for several episodes. Season 2 has been seen as an overall improvement, with Widow now in every episode, Falcon getting a new and improved redesign and more focus on the team as a whole.
24th Feb '16 9:23:41 PM Ramona122003
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* CrapsackWorld: ZigZaggedTrope. While there's obviously a lot of problems in the Marvel Universe and [[BadFuture Bad Futures]] are constantly having to be thwarted, none of this changes the fact that there's a lot of good people fighting to make the world a better place. Generally this trope seems more prevalent in the X-titles, due to the need to display bigotry in order to make the reader understand why the X-Men are fighting. It's really more of a WorldHalfFull.
15th Jan '16 5:15:30 PM shingen012
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* FanonDiscontinuity: [[Comicbook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]] was ''never'' a pimp, ''ever''.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: [[Comicbook/TheFalcon Sam Wilson]] was ''never'' a pimp, ''ever''. (As of ''All New Captain America'' this is the official canon, explicitly stating that the pimp origin as false memories implanted by the Red Skull to make Sam question his identity).
15th Jan '16 1:44:13 AM Anddrix
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--> '''[[http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/9/25/alan-moores-lost-stan-lee-essay.html Alan Moore]]''':''You see, somewhere along the line, one of the newer breed of Marvel editors ... had come up with one of those incredibly snappy sounding and utterly stupid little pieces of folk-wisdom that some editors seem to like pulling out of the hat from time to time... 'Readers donít want change. Readers only want the illusion of change.' Like I said, [[ItSeemedLikeAGoodIdeaAtTheTime it sounds perceptive and well-reasoned on first listening]]. It is also, in my opinion, one of the most specious and retarded theories that it has ever been my misfortune to come across ... [[ViewersAreMorons If readers are that averse to change]] then [[ArmorPiercingQuestion how come Marvel ever got to be so popular in the first place]], [[TheSixties back when]] [[Creator/JackKirby constant change]] and [[Creator/SteveDitko innovation]] was [[GloryDays the order of the day]]?

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--> '''[[http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/9/25/alan-moores-lost-stan-lee-essay.html Alan Moore]]''':''You see, somewhere along the line, one of the newer breed of Marvel editors ... had come up with one of those incredibly snappy sounding and utterly stupid little pieces of folk-wisdom that some editors seem to like pulling out of the hat from time to time... 'Readers donít want change. Readers only want the illusion of change.' Like I said, [[ItSeemedLikeAGoodIdeaAtTheTime it sounds perceptive and well-reasoned on first listening]]. It is also, in my opinion, one of the most specious and retarded theories that it has ever been my misfortune to come across ... [[ViewersAreMorons If readers are that averse to change]] change then [[ArmorPiercingQuestion how come Marvel ever got to be so popular in the first place]], [[TheSixties back when]] [[Creator/JackKirby constant change]] and [[Creator/SteveDitko innovation]] was [[GloryDays the order of the day]]?
7th Jan '16 12:01:18 AM JulianLapostat
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* SupposedlyRebelliousSeries: A lot of Marvel fans take pride in Marvel's origins as a rebellious series that pushed boundaries, forgetting that this was largely a trait of TheSixties in the era of Creator/SteveDitko and Creator/JackKirby:
** It is true that in its early years, Marvel upset many conventions: neurotic characters, TeenageHero instead of KidSidekick, stories set in real-world cities, superheroes who had no SecretIdentity (like the Fantastic Four). In its early years it even averted ComicBookTime and showed characters growing and changing as the story advanced with Reed and Sue marrying in the original run of the Fantastic Four, Spiderman going from High School to College. From the 70s, Marvel adopted ComicBookTime, engaged in SoapOpera plots and teases in the grand 50s Superman tradition and advocated the "illusion of change", big event comics that seemed to make changes only for it to get hastily retconned.

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* SupposedlyRebelliousSeries: A lot of Marvel fans take pride in Marvel's origins as a rebellious series that pushed boundaries, forgetting that this was largely a trait of TheSixties in and not as true of the era of Creator/SteveDitko and Creator/JackKirby:
eras that came later:
** It is true that in its early years, Marvel upset many conventions: neurotic characters, TeenageHero Teenage Hero instead of KidSidekick, stories set in real-world cities, superheroes who had no SecretIdentity (like the Fantastic Four). In its early years it even averted ComicBookTime and showed characters growing and changing as the story advanced with Reed and Sue marrying in the original run of the Fantastic Four, Spiderman going from High School to College. From the 70s, Marvel adopted ComicBookTime, engaged in SoapOpera plots and teases in the grand 50s Superman tradition and advocated the "illusion of change", big event comics that seemed to make changes only for it to get hastily retconned.
6th Jan '16 11:59:54 PM JulianLapostat
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* SupposedlyRebelliousSeries: A lot of Marvel fans take pride in Marvel's origins as a rebellious series that pushed boundaries, forgetting that this was largely a trait of TheSixties in the era of Creator/SteveDitko and Creator/JackKirby:
** It is true that in its early years, Marvel upset many conventions: neurotic characters, TeenageHero instead of KidSidekick, stories set in real-world cities, superheroes who had no SecretIdentity (like the Fantastic Four). In its early years it even averted ComicBookTime and showed characters growing and changing as the story advanced with Reed and Sue marrying in the original run of the Fantastic Four, Spiderman going from High School to College. From the 70s, Marvel adopted ComicBookTime, engaged in SoapOpera plots and teases in the grand 50s Superman tradition and advocated the "illusion of change", big event comics that seemed to make changes only for it to get hastily retconned.
** As noted by Creator/AlanMoore in his article (for Marvel UK's magazine ''Daredevils') "Blinded by the Hype":
--> '''[[http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/9/25/alan-moores-lost-stan-lee-essay.html Alan Moore]]''':''You see, somewhere along the line, one of the newer breed of Marvel editors ... had come up with one of those incredibly snappy sounding and utterly stupid little pieces of folk-wisdom that some editors seem to like pulling out of the hat from time to time... 'Readers donít want change. Readers only want the illusion of change.' Like I said, [[ItSeemedLikeAGoodIdeaAtTheTime it sounds perceptive and well-reasoned on first listening]]. It is also, in my opinion, one of the most specious and retarded theories that it has ever been my misfortune to come across ... [[ViewersAreMorons If readers are that averse to change]] then [[ArmorPiercingQuestion how come Marvel ever got to be so popular in the first place]], [[TheSixties back when]] [[Creator/JackKirby constant change]] and [[Creator/SteveDitko innovation]] was [[GloryDays the order of the day]]?


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* FandomRivalry: Averted. Even marvel fans of the comics and the movies admit that in general Marvel animation hasn't quite reached the same level as Franchise/{{DCAU}} and its animation spin-offs.
28th Dec '15 4:59:11 PM Anddrix
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** ComicBook/DoctorDoom

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** ComicBook/DoctorDoomDoctor Doom
29th Nov '15 6:54:20 PM Vovka
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*** Which immediately became FanonDiscontinuity. Shortly afterwards became CanonDiscontinuity.
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