History YMMV / MagicalRecordLyricalNanohaFORCE

* CreatorsPet:
** During the first chapters of ''Force'' Thoma is introduced to us without much backstory and the [[BaseBreakingCharacter fanbase had mixed opinions about him]], then he suddenly knows Subaru. Some chapters later, his backstory finally comes around and it's revealed that he already knows and is on familial terms with Subaru and her extended family.

* FridgeLogic: Mariya uses live ammo in a fight against Bureau agents on the Mid--which is kind of a Big Deal, since live ammo is exactly the kind of mass-based weaponry the Bureau is supposed to crusade against. Yet nobody seems particularly interested in finding out where a lowlife crook like herself obtained such quantities of mass-based munitions in the heart of the Bureau's domain. Granted, she doesn't have an actual ''gun'', but bullets usually come from the same sources as firearms...

* EvilIsSexy:
** Arnage, which is the other reason for the above.
** Curren has started to catch the attention of part of the fanbase just because of this.

** In interviews the author has seemed genuinely shocked that people do not find the Hückebein sympathetic or likeable, particularly Cypha.

* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Part of the reason why ''Force'' failed was due to the Huckebein's InvincibleVillain status. Almost every chapter they appear in sees them [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly take down a character]], [[TheWorfEffect~regardless of how powerful they had been previously portrayed]]. It got to the point where, after Curren wounded Hayate, fans had finally had enough and stopped reading entirely. They did try to address the problem in the final chapters by having the Huckebein start to lose, but it was too little, too late, and ''Force'' was QuietlyCancelled before a resolution could be reached, and [[FranchiseKiller there hasn't been anything made in the main series continuity since]], with subsequent installments going in an AlternateContinuity, due in part to the abysmal reception of ''Force''.

* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Part of the reason why ''Force'' failed was due to the Huckebein's InvincibleVillain status. Almost every chapter they appear in sees them effortlessly take down a character, regardless of how powerful they had been previously portrayed. It got to the point where, after Curren wounded Hayate, fans had finally had enough and stopped reading entirely. They did try to address the problem in the final chapters by having the Huckebein start to lose, but it was too little, too late, and ''Force'' was QuietlyCancelled before a resolution could be reached, and [[FranchiseKiller there hasn't been anything made in the main series continuity since]], with subsequent installments going in an AlternateContinuity, due in part to the abysmal reception of ''Force''.

* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Part of the reason why ''Force'' failed was due to the Huckebein's InvincibleVillain status. Almost every chapter they appear in sees them effortlessly take down a character, regardless of how powerful they had been previously portrayed. It got to the point where, after Curren wounded Hayate, fans had finally had enough and stopped reading entirely. They did try to address the problem in the final chapters by having the Huckebein start to lose, but it was too little, too late, and ''Force'' was QuietlyCancelled before a resolution could be reached.

* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Despite being part of a franchise famous for its largely female cast and yuri subtext, the manga's premise of the adventures of a male character who is TheChosenOne, gets along with the previous cast seamlessly, nerfs the previous cast, demotes to extra the protagonist of the franchise, and embroils into a heterosexual romance seemed to set it up for failure. There’s also the fact that the villains are irredeemable monsters who have powers so broken that any attempt to fight them leads to failure. This manga basically alienated all the franchise's long-time fans, the combination of the uncharismatic lead and horrible villains and the fame of the franchise couldn't attract new readers, and the manga has been on hiatus for so long that many consider it to be QuietlyCancelled.

* FranchiseKiller: After Force was QuietlyCancelled, nothing else was done again in the original continuity, with movies being ContinuityReboot or manga being set in an AlternateUniverse.

* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Despite being part of a franchise famous for its largely female cast and yuri subtext, the manga's premise of the adventures of a male character who is TheChosenOne, gets along with the previous cast seamlessly, nerfs the previous cast, demotes to extra the protagonist of the franchise, and embroils into a heterosexual romance seemed to set it up for failure. This manga basically alienated all the franchise's long-time fans, the combination of uncharismatic lead and the fame of the franchise couldn't attract new readers, and the manga has been on hiatus for so long that many consider it to be QuietlyCancelled.

* BrokenBase: Pretty much everything about this series. Whether ''Force'' is [[AudienceAlienatingEra complete and utter garbage]] or [[FridgeBrilliance a work of genius]]; whether Thoma is [[WhatAnIdiot a hopeless idiot driven by naiveté]] or an intelligent and responsible kid trying to balance out his AllLovingHero attitude against the monstrous enemies he's facing all of these depend on which fan you ask. For further {{Irony}}, the generation of Porsche 911 that his Divider is numbered after (996) also resulted in a BrokenBase among the 911 enthusiast community.

** While he is mentioned in ReplacementScrappy, Thoma isn't liked for his behavior crossing into the WhatAnIdiot territory and losing characterization into becoming what is seen as an idiot who keeps overlooking the behavior the Hückebein constantly exhibit. What's worse is that he is borderline useless in combat and is overshadowed by Isis and even ''[[MysteriousWaif Lily]]'', combined with wasted character development potential.

* WhatAnIdiot: One of the reasons people cannot stand about Thoma along with [[RememberTheNewGuy his aforementioned ties to the old cast]] is that he cannot take a hint that the Hückebein are evil and only act nice around him as a recruitment tactic. [[WhatTheHellHero He's been warned several times by Reinforce II and Isis]], but is more than willing to have a nonchalant chat with the likes of [[AxCrazy Cypha]]. They warned you.

* AngstWhatAngst: Eclipse Drivers are mages infected with a virus that grants them high regeneration, enhanced strength, and special abilities, with the price of lost sanity, a compulsion to kill, and the risk of the virus going out of control. With the way infected characters go about, it's easy to forget this as neither the Huckbein or the Grendel's seem to care one iota. Even Thoma stops angsting over his condition after he's rescued by Special Duty Section 6

* BrokenBase: Pretty much everything about this series. Whether ''Force'' is [[DorkAge complete and utter garbage]] or [[FridgeBrilliance a work of genius]]; whether Thoma is [[WhatAnIdiot a hopeless idiot driven by naiveté]] or an intelligent and responsible kid trying to balance out his AllLovingHero attitude against the monstrous enemies he's facing all of these depend on which fan you ask. For further {{Irony}}, the generation of Porsche 911 that his Divider is numbered after (996) also resulted in a BrokenBase among the 911 enthusiast community.

** The Dividers are another example. They're the Hückebein's WeaponOfChoice, are very broken in terms of power, and makes any Eclipse infectee an immense threat in battle. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking They are also very inelegantly designed]].

** Signum and Cypha's rivalry. With such a rocky start and looking at the Blazing General's BloodKnight tendencies as well as the eye-patched rogue's animosity to fight strong foes one would think an instant comptetitiveness would emerge between the two. Instead Signum abides to her duty almost ignoring everything else while Cypha didn't really seem eager to pursue another fight (aside of some passing remarks at Signum's good swordfighting skills), she even fled their second encounter without a care. Hopefully, their feud and mutual grudgingly learning will be more fleshed out if FORCE's hiatus ever gets lifted.

** During the first chapters of ''Force'' Thoma is introduced to us without much backstory and the [[BaseBreakingCharacter fanbase had mixed opinions about him]], then he suddenly knows Subaru. Some chapters later, [[BelatedBackstory his backstory finally comes around and it's revealed that he already knows and is on familial terms with Subaru and her extended family]].

* CrackPairing: Signum/Cypha. It's almost exclusively based around Signum being dominated and humiliated. It probably started as a thing to troll fans with, but since it became obvious that Signum would live through ''Force'', it seems to have been jokingly accepted by the fandom, kind of like [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Mami and Charlotte.]]

** Cypha admitting to killing dozens of civilians and treating it casually.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: In interviews the author has seemed genuinely shocked that people do not find the Hückebein sympathetic or likeable, particularly Cypha. While their lot may kind of suck, they're still mass-murdering sociopaths who treat all attempts to reason with them as an excuse to commit more horrific violence.

* HilariousInHindsight / AscendedMeme: Nanoha gets a new getup in this that actually makes her look like a Gundam bringing the "Nanoha is really a Gundam disguised as a magical girl" bit full circle.

* BrokenBase: Pretty much everything about this series. Whether ''Force'' is [[DorkAge complete and utter garbage]] or [[FridgeBrilliance a work of genius]]; whether Thoma is [[WhatAnIdiot a hopeless idiot driven by naiveté]] or an intelligent and responsible kid trying to balance out his AllLovingHero attitude against the monstrous enemies he's facing all of these depend on which fan you ask. For further {{Irony}}, the generation of Porsche 911 that his Divider is numbered after (996) also suffered from a BrokenBase of its own.

* BrokenBase: Pretty much everything about this series. Whether ''Force'' is [[DorkAge complete and utter garbage]] or [[FridgeBrilliance a work of genius]]; whether Thoma is [[WhatAnIdiot a hopeless idiot driven by naiveté]] or an intelligent and responsible kid trying to balance out his AllLovingHero attitude against the monstrous enemies he's facing all of these depend on which fan you ask.

* CounterpartComparison: A number of the Hückebein have been compared to the Wolkenritter and other characters outside the franchise in trait similarities.

* JerkassWoobie: The Hückebein may have been meant to be seen as this, but their attitude towards killing, lack of redeeming features and little emphasis on their plight prevents them from being sympathetic.

* HeartwarmingMoment: Signum and Agito's interactions in chapter 3. Their affection for each other is quite subdued (as befits a [[GermanicDepressives Belkan]] duo on a job), but seeing the stoic knight smile for her partner and Agito finally finding happiness in service of a worthy Lord is {{Squee}}-inducing. [[spoiler:Which makes their utter slaughter by Cypha just four chapters later all the more jarring.]]

* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: The Hückebein have experienced a mild case of this. They're still hated, mind you, just not as much as before. This is due to the [[SmugSuper more]] [[TheSociopath unpleasant]] [[ItsAllAboutMe parts]] of their characterization being toned down (mostly in an effort to appeal to Thoma), and [[NotSoInvincibleAfterAll gradually losing]] their frustrating advantage over the protagonists.

** Hades Vandein, mostly for [[spoiler: utterly wrecking the hated Huckbein family]]

* LoveItOrHateIt[=/=]BrokenBase: pretty much everything about the series. Whether ''Force'' is [[DorkAge complete and utter garbage]] or [[FridgeBrilliance a work of genius]]; whether Thoma is [[WhatAnIdiot a hopeless idiot driven by naivete]] or an intelligent and responsible kid trying to balance out his AllLovingHero attitude against the monstrous enemies he's facing all of these depend on which fan you ask.

* HilariousInHindSight / AscendedMeme: Nanoha gets a new getup in this that actually makes her look like a Gundam bringing the "Nanoha is really a Gundam disguised as a magical girl" bit full circle.