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* ShilingTheWeasley: During the first chapters of ''FORCE'' Tohma is introduced to us without much backstory and the [[BaseBreaker fanbase had mixed opinions about him]], then he suddenly knows Subaru and after a couple of chapters we've informed right of the bat that he knows and is liked by almost the entire old cast without very little explanation or background whatsoever.

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** BoringInvincibleVillain: And they're this as well.



* JumpingTheShark / RuinedFOREVER: ''Force'' is the season with the biggest amount of backlash to date. It elicited this reaction for having a heterosexual male lead and supposedly dropping the magical girl tropes. Not to mention they put some of the most cheered characters this franchise have in real danger of suffering BadassDecay, starting with [[spoiler:[[LadyOfWar Signum]]]].

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* JumpingTheShark / RuinedFOREVER: JumpingTheShark[=/=]RuinedFOREVER: ''Force'' is the season with the biggest amount of backlash to date. It elicited this reaction for having a heterosexual male lead and supposedly dropping the magical girl tropes. Not to mention they put some of the most cheered characters this franchise have in real danger of suffering BadassDecay, starting with [[spoiler:[[LadyOfWar Signum]]]].



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Touma became a fugitive from the TSAB by breaking into the lab, stealing the Divider, and escaping with Lily. This might have led to [[spoiler:Subaru]] weighing her bond with Touma against her duty to arrest him, as well as Touma fleeing from the Bureau while having the SympatheticPOV, but [[spoiler:Touma eventually loses control of himself to the Eclipse, and it becomes about having to try to get through to him]], rather than him trying to protect Lily and escape the Bureau.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Touma Tohma became a fugitive from the TSAB by breaking into the lab, stealing the Divider, and escaping with Lily. This might have led to [[spoiler:Subaru]] weighing her bond with Touma Tohma against her duty to arrest him, as well as Touma Tohma fleeing from the Bureau while having the SympatheticPOV, but [[spoiler:Touma [[spoiler:Tohma eventually loses control of himself to the Eclipse, and it becomes about having to try to get through to him]], rather than him trying to protect Lily and escape the Bureau.
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** BoringInvincibleVillain: And they're this as well.
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There is no character in the entire Nanoha franchise who qualifies as an Invincible Hero. Even Nanoha has been beaten down on multiple occasions by Fate and Vita among others.


* ReplacementScrappy: Tohma has drawn a lot of fire for being a [[CursedWithAwesome very typical, male, angst-ridden main character]] with a StoryBreakerPower [[AssPull pulled out of nowhere]] that can beat out [[InvincibleHero the established and well-developed main characters of previous seasons]] with little effort.

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* ReplacementScrappy: Tohma has drawn a lot of fire for being a [[CursedWithAwesome very typical, male, angst-ridden main character]] with a StoryBreakerPower [[AssPull pulled out of nowhere]] that can beat out [[InvincibleHero the established and well-developed main characters of previous seasons]] seasons with little effort.
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** Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat, and for being [[{{Understatement}} kind of a bitch about it]]. When it was announced that ''VideoGame/GearsOfDestiny'' will feature ''Force'' characters, many were hoping Cypha would be included, so they can [[CatharsisFactor beat the crap out of her.]]

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** Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat, and for being [[{{Understatement}} kind of a bitch about it]].it. When it was announced that ''VideoGame/GearsOfDestiny'' will feature ''Force'' characters, many were hoping Cypha would be included, so they can [[CatharsisFactor beat the crap out of her.]]
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** Curren as started to catch the attention of part of the fanbase just because of this.

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** Curren as has started to catch the attention of part of the fanbase just because of this.
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** Curren as started to catch the attention of part of the fanbase just because of this.
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** The Huckebein in general have been accused of being a ReplacementScrappy for the A's-era Wolkenritter, as they hit many of the same general tropes regarding motivation and

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** The Huckebein in general have been accused of being a ReplacementScrappy for the A's-era Wolkenritter, as they hit many of the same general tropes regarding motivation and excluding motivation.

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**A good number of people have pointed to apparent lapses in the worldbuilding and raw writing as a sign of a general drop in quality, but this opinion is far from universal enough to qualify for {{Sequelitis}}.



* JerkassWoobie: The Huckebein may have been meant to be seen as this, but their attitude towards killing, lack of redeeming features and little emphasis on their plight prevents them from being sympathetically.

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* JerkassWoobie: The Huckebein may have been meant to be seen as this, but their attitude towards killing, lack of redeeming features and little emphasis on their plight prevents them from being sympathetically.sympathetic.



**The Huckebein in general have been accused of being a ReplacementScrappy for the A's-era Wolkenritter, as they hit many of the same general tropes regarding motivation and



*** Made [[BeyondTheImpossible even more worse]] [[WaveMotionGun by the fact they don't even create awesome energy beams either]].

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*** Made [[BeyondTheImpossible even more worse]] [[WaveMotionGun by the fact they don't even create awesome energy beams either]].


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** Force in general could have been presented straight as about the conflict between the refusal of most of the main characters to kill and the fact that the only solution to the Huckebein appears to be killing them.
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** And many more hate those even more because they didn't even manage to keep up with the villains.

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** And many more hate those even more because [[FlawedPrototype they didn't even manage to keep up with the villains.villains]].

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* ReplacementScrappy: Tohma has drawn fire for being a very typical male angstsy main character and a StoryBreakerPower [[AssPull pulled out of nowhere]] that can beat out [[InvincibleHero the established and well-developed main characters of previous seasons]] with little effort.

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* ReplacementScrappy: Tohma has drawn a lot of fire for being a [[CursedWithAwesome very typical male angstsy typical, male, angst-ridden main character and character]] with a StoryBreakerPower [[AssPull pulled out of nowhere]] that can beat out [[InvincibleHero the established and well-developed main characters of previous seasons]] with little effort.



** Lots of people however like the AEC Equipment simply because they look badass.
** and many more hate those even more because they didn't even manage to keep up with the villains.

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** Lots of people however like the AEC Equipment simply because they look badass.
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** and And many more hate those even more because they didn't even manage to keep up with the villains.villains.
*** Made [[BeyondTheImpossible even more worse]] [[WaveMotionGun by the fact they don't even create awesome energy beams either]].
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** and many more hate those even more because they didn't even manage to keep up with the villains.
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** Not true; lots of people like the AEC Equipment which look really badass.

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** Not true; lots Lots of people however like the AEC Equipment which simply because they look really badass.
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* ReplacementScrappy: Tohma has drawn fire for being a male main character with a potential heterosexual love interest.

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* ReplacementScrappy: Tohma has drawn fire for being a very typical male angstsy main character and a StoryBreakerPower [[AssPull pulled out of nowhere]] that can beat out [[InvincibleHero the established and well-developed main characters of previous seasons]] with a potential heterosexual love interest.little effort.
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** Not true; lots of people like the AEC Equipment which look really badass.
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* ScrappyWeapon: Most people don't really like the AEC Equipment much, since their main purpose in the story seems to be preventing the heroes from using magic in a story and setting about magic, and they show no signs of going away anytime soon.
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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Until his profile came out, nearly everyone was convinced that Fortis was female. With his large eyes, dress-like robe, and feminine hairstyle, it's an easy mistake to make. Ironically, fortis can be translated from Latin as "manly".

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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Until his profile came out, nearly everyone was convinced that Fortis was female. With his large eyes, dress-like robe, and feminine hairstyle, it's an easy mistake to make. Ironically, fortis can be translated from Latin as "manly"."manly".
* VillainSue: If you have to name names... the Huckebein, of course.
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* JerkassWoobie: The Huckebein may have been meant to be seen as this, but their attitude towards kiling, lack of redeeming features and little emphasis on their plight prevents them from being sympathetically.

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* JerkassWoobie: The Huckebein may have been meant to be seen as this, but their attitude towards kiling, killing, lack of redeeming features and little emphasis on their plight prevents them from being sympathetically.
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* GenericDoomsdayVillain: The Huckebein, so far.
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** Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat, and for being [[{{Understatement}} kind of a bitch about it]]. When it was announced that ''Game/GearsOfDestiny'' will feature ''Force'' characters, many were hoping Cypha would be included, so they can [[CatharsisFactor beat the crap out of her.]]

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** Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat, and for being [[{{Understatement}} kind of a bitch about it]]. When it was announced that ''Game/GearsOfDestiny'' ''VideoGame/GearsOfDestiny'' will feature ''Force'' characters, many were hoping Cypha would be included, so they can [[CatharsisFactor beat the crap out of her.]]
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** Curren probably beat Precia's record for instant hatedom, considering the chapter with her first appearance wasn't even translated yet and people already wanted her to die. For ''{{Twilight}}'' haters, her name being the same as a certain sparkly vampire is just the icing on the cake. The reason? [[spoiler:Debuting by instantly impaling Hayate in the back]].

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** Curren probably beat Precia's record for instant hatedom, considering the chapter with her first appearance wasn't even translated yet and people already wanted her to die. For ''{{Twilight}}'' ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' haters, her name being the same as a certain sparkly vampire is just the icing on the cake. The reason? [[spoiler:Debuting by instantly impaling Hayate in the back]].
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* CompleteMonster: The Huckebein, who kill countless people without feeling any remorse. In-universe, the characters do not have the same sympathy for them that they did for other villains.


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* JerkassWoobie: The Huckebein may have been meant to be seen as this, but their attitude towards kiling, lack of redeeming features and little emphasis on their plight prevents them from being sympathetically.


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* MoralEventHorizon: Cypha admitting to killing dozens of civilians and treating it casually.

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* ContestedSequel

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* ContestedSequelContestedSequel: Largely because of the DarkerAndEdgier atmosphere, move away from MagicalGirl tropes, new main character, and largely unsympathetic villains who [[spoiler:defeat and severely wound Signum and Hayate]].



* ReplacementScrappy: Tohma has drawn fire for being a male main character with a potential heterosexual love interest.



** Tohma has drawn fire for being a male main character with a potential heterosexual love interest.


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Touma became a fugitive from the TSAB by breaking into the lab, stealing the Divider, and escaping with Lily. This might have led to [[spoiler:Subaru]] weighing her bond with Touma against her duty to arrest him, as well as Touma fleeing from the Bureau while having the SympatheticPOV, but [[spoiler:Touma eventually loses control of himself to the Eclipse, and it becomes about having to try to get through to him]], rather than him trying to protect Lily and escape the Bureau.
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** Curren probably beat Precia's record for instant hatedom, considering the chapter with her first appearance isn't even translated yet and people already want her to die. For ''{{Twilight}}'' haters, her name being the same as a certain sparkly vampire is just the icing on the cake. The reason? [[spoiler:Debuting by instantly impaling Hayate in the back]].

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** Curren probably beat Precia's record for instant hatedom, considering the chapter with her first appearance isn't wasn't even translated yet and people already want wanted her to die. For ''{{Twilight}}'' haters, her name being the same as a certain sparkly vampire is just the icing on the cake. The reason? [[spoiler:Debuting by instantly impaling Hayate in the back]].
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** Curren probably beat Precia's record for instant hatedom, considering the chapter with her first appearance isn't even translated yet and people already want her to die. For ''{{Twilight}}'' haters, her name being the same as a certain sparkly vampire is just the icing on the cake.

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** Curren probably beat Precia's record for instant hatedom, considering the chapter with her first appearance isn't even translated yet and people already want her to die. For ''{{Twilight}}'' haters, her name being the same as a certain sparkly vampire is just the icing on the cake. The reason? [[spoiler:Debuting by instantly impaling Hayate in the back]].
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** Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat, and for being [[{{Understatement}} kind of a bitch about it]]. When it was announced that ''Game/GearsOfDestiny'' will feature ''Force'' characters, many were hoping Cypha would be included, so they can [[CatharsisFactorbeat the crap out of her.]]

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** Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat, and for being [[{{Understatement}} kind of a bitch about it]]. When it was announced that ''Game/GearsOfDestiny'' will feature ''Force'' characters, many were hoping Cypha would be included, so they can [[CatharsisFactorbeat [[CatharsisFactor beat the crap out of her.]]
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** Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat, and for being [[{{Understatement}} kind of a bitch about it]]. When it was announced that ''Game/GearsOfDestiny'' will feature ''Force'' characters, many were hoping Cypha would be included, so they can beat the crap out of her.

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** Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat, and for being [[{{Understatement}} kind of a bitch about it]]. When it was announced that ''Game/GearsOfDestiny'' will feature ''Force'' characters, many were hoping Cypha would be included, so they can beat [[CatharsisFactorbeat the crap out of her.]]

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** Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat, and for being [[{{Understatement}} kind of a bitch about it]].

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** Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat, and for being [[{{Understatement}} kind of a bitch about it]]. When it was announced that ''Game/GearsOfDestiny'' will feature ''Force'' characters, many were hoping Cypha would be included, so they can beat the crap out of her.


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** Arnage also has some love, unlike almost all the other members of her family.

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** Arnage also has some love, unlike almost all the other members of her family.family, probably because she has yet to send someone to the emergency room.
* EvilIsSexy: Arnage, which is the other reason for the above.
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* FanNickname: Arnage has been called [[MobileSuitGundamWing Heavyarms-tan]] or [[TeamFortress2 Heavy Weapons Girl]] in the western fandom, due to the reacted form of her Divider.

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