History YMMV / MadameButterfly

19th Apr '16 1:06:33 PM Ciara25
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** Did Butterfly ask for Pinkerton to come to get his son in fifteen minutes simply so she'd have the chance to see him one more time before she killed herself? Or did she do it as a way to punish him for dashing all her hopes and ruining her life, letting him be confronted with her bleeding corpse?

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** Did Butterfly ask for Pinkerton to come to get his son in fifteen minutes half an hour simply so she'd have the chance to see him one more time before she killed herself? Or did she do it as a way to punish him for dashing all her hopes and ruining her life, letting him be confronted with her bleeding corpse?
19th Apr '16 12:07:42 PM Ciara25
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** Did Butterfly ask for Pinkerton to come to get his son in fifteen minutes simply so she'd have the chance to see him one more time before she killed herself? Or did she do it as a way to punish him for dashing all her hopes and ruining her life, letting him be confronted with her bleeding corpse?


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* FridgeLogic: How did Sharpless not ''already'' know Butterfly had given birth to Pinkerton's son? He's presumably been keeping an eye on her in the interim three years, but missed that ''huge'' detail?
12th Apr '16 1:38:39 PM vifetoile
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* DeathByAdaptation: In the original short story that ''Madame Butterfly'' is based on, Butterfly survives. [[spoiler: Her maid's attempt [[InterruptedSuicide to avert her suicide by pushing her son into the room]] ''works,'' and Butterfly, her maid, and her son flee before Pinkerton returns.]] It was Belasco who introduced the tragic ending.
10th Apr '16 7:21:52 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* AdaptationDisplacement: ''Madame Butterfly'' started its existence as a short story by John Luther Long, inspired both by stories his sister had written to him about life in Japan and Pierre Loti's semi-autobiographical novel Madame Chrysanthème. It was then adapted into a play by David Belasco. Both of these were quite successful in their day, but today the opera is one of the most famous examples of the genre and has totally overshadowed its predecessors.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: ''Madame Butterfly'' started its existence as a short story by John Luther Long, inspired both by stories his sister had written to him about life in Japan and Pierre Loti's semi-autobiographical novel Madame Chrysanthème.''Madame Chrysanthème''. It was then adapted into a play by David Belasco. Both of these were quite successful in their day, but today the opera is one of the most famous examples of the genre and has totally overshadowed its predecessors.
10th Apr '16 7:19:03 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* AdaptationDisplacement: ''Madame Butterfly'' started its existence as a short story by John Luther Long, inspired by stories his sister had written to him about life in Japan. It was then adapted into a play by David Belasco. Both of these were quite successful in their day, but today the opera is one of the most famous examples of the genre and has totally overshadowed its predecessors.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: ''Madame Butterfly'' started its existence as a short story by John Luther Long, inspired both by stories his sister had written to him about life in Japan.Japan and Pierre Loti's semi-autobiographical novel Madame Chrysanthème. It was then adapted into a play by David Belasco. Both of these were quite successful in their day, but today the opera is one of the most famous examples of the genre and has totally overshadowed its predecessors.
26th Feb '16 6:43:07 PM vifetoile
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* AdaptationDisplacement: ''Madame Butterfly'' started its existence as a short story by John Luther Long, inspired by stories his sister had written to him about life in Japan. It was then adapted into a play by David Belasco. Both of these were quite successful in their day, but today the opera is one of the most famous examples of the genre.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: ''Madame Butterfly'' started its existence as a short story by John Luther Long, inspired by stories his sister had written to him about life in Japan. It was then adapted into a play by David Belasco. Both of these were quite successful in their day, but today the opera is one of the most famous examples of the genre. genre and has totally overshadowed its predecessors.
26th Feb '16 6:35:39 PM vifetoile
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* DawsonCasting: Butterfly is 15 years old, but usually the actresses are much older, as it can take years of training to reach the notes expected in opera.
26th Feb '16 11:56:54 AM vifetoile
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* DawsonCasting: Butterfly is 15 years old, but usually the actresses are much older, as it can take years of training to reach the notes expected in opera.
26th Feb '16 11:43:55 AM vifetoile
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* AdaptationDisplacement: ''Madame Butterfly'' started its existence as a short story by John Luther Long, inspired by stories his sister had written to him about life in Japan. It was then adapted into a play by David Belasco. Both of these were quite successful in their day, but today the opera is one of the most famous examples of the genre.


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* DeathByAdaptation: In the original short story that ''Madame Butterfly'' is based on, Butterfly survives. [[spoiler: Her maid's attempt [[InterruptedSuicide to avert her suicide by pushing her son into the room]] ''works,'' and Butterfly, her maid, and her son flee before Pinkerton returns.]] It was Belasco who introduced the tragic ending.
15th Sep '15 7:48:12 AM RainFairy
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* WhatAnIdiot: People who are less receptive to Butterfly's woobieness (and even some who ''are'') believe that while Pinkerton '''is''' a massive ass, Butterfly shouldn't be left off the hook. She ''is'' given warnings, help offers and/or useful advice by Suzuki, Gorou and even Sharpless... ''but she refuses all of this and chooses to wait for Pinkerton's return'', still blindly believing that he'd come back to her. As you can see, it backfires ''massively'' on both her ''and'' her child, and even if she's NOT responsible for Pinkerton's actions she is responsible ''for her own''.
** Pinkerton is just as stupid, if not even more. Ever since the ''start'' he's warned by the GenreSavvy Sharpless that this Japanese girl has taken the vow he takes for granted ''very'' seriously, and spends the whole first act telling him not to be a jackass ''and'' to take Butterfly's feelings in consideration. He refuses to take Sharpless seriously and insists that he won't give her the time of the day after the first month, then takes off to America and acts almost as if Butterfly didn't exist. ''Of course'' she turns out to be THE Japanese woman who would take his "promise" seriously.

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* WhatAnIdiot: People who are less receptive to Butterfly's woobieness (and even some who ''are'') believe that while Pinkerton '''is''' a massive ass, Butterfly shouldn't be left off the hook. She ''is'' given warnings, help offers and/or useful advice by Suzuki, Gorou and even Sharpless... ''but she refuses all of this and chooses to wait for Pinkerton's return'', still blindly believing that he'd come back to her. As you the viewer can see, it backfires all of these backfire ''massively'' on both her ''and'' her child, and even if she's NOT responsible for Pinkerton's actions she is responsible ''for her own''.
** Pinkerton is just as stupid, if not even more. Ever since the ''start'' he's warned by the GenreSavvy Sharpless that this Japanese girl has taken the vow he takes for granted ''very'' seriously, and the consul spends the whole first act telling him not to be a jackass ''and'' to take Butterfly's feelings in consideration. He refuses to take Sharpless seriously and insists that he won't give her the time of the day after the first month, then takes off to America and acts almost as if Butterfly didn't exist. ''Of course'' she turns out to be THE Japanese woman who would take his "promise" seriously.
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