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* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler:Almost ''every shot'' of Grace in the last 2 episodes.]]
* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler:Almost ''every shot'' of Grace in the last 2 episodes.]]
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* {{Narm}}: In episode 19, Ranka is running upstairs to the launch deck, [[spoiler:elated because she thinks Alto loves her, when she suddenly barges in on Alto comforting Sheryl (who had collapsed due to [[IllGirl her illness]], but Ranka doesn't know about that).]] On the one hand, it's sad to see poor, brokenhearted Ranka stand there, saying, "It can't be..." with a frozen smile on her face. On the other, it becomes hilarious when one remembers that this is Alto ''[[RanmaOneHalf Saotome]]'', and that [[NamesTheSame his predecessor]] was often caught in ''the exact same situations'', with ''the exact same results''. Ranka should have screamed "I HATE YOU, ALTO!" and [[MegatonPunch punch him into the distance]].
** Then we have the acronym of the New U.N. Spacy. [[FunWithAcronyms NUNS.]] [[http://fuckyeahmacross.tumblr.com/post/9468846379/everythingisjustducky-wolfkazumaru YES, REALLY.]]
*NightmareFuel: NightmareFuelUnleaded: [[spoiler:Almost ''every shot'' of Grace in the last 2 episodes.]]
* {{Narm}}: In episode 19, Ranka is running upstairs to the launch deck, [[spoiler:elated because she thinks Alto loves her, when she suddenly barges in on Alto comforting Sheryl (who had collapsed due to [[IllGirl her illness]], but Ranka doesn't know about that).]] On the one hand, it's sad to see poor, brokenhearted Ranka stand there, saying, "It can't be..." with a frozen smile on her face. On the other, it becomes hilarious when one remembers that this is Alto ''[[RanmaOneHalf Saotome]]'', and that [[NamesTheSame his predecessor]] was often caught in ''the exact same situations'', with ''the exact same results''. Ranka should have screamed "I HATE YOU, ALTO!" and [[MegatonPunch punch him into the distance]].
** Then we have the acronym of the New U.N. Spacy. [[FunWithAcronyms NUNS.]] [[http://fuckyeahmacross.tumblr.com/post/9468846379/everythingisjustducky-wolfkazumaru YES, REALLY.]]
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* BlackHoleSue: Movie!Sheryl is hailed as the new Lynn Minmay before she's even introduced, suddenly knows Aimo from her childhood (and sings it more than Ranka), has Brera as a bodyguard, and is more or less aware of Grace's machinations from day 1. And that's just the first ten minutes.
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** If you think this was bad, [[{{Foreshadowing}} just wait]] till more people see the second movie. Kawamori, YouBastard !
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* CrazyAweomse: From [[''TheMovie Sayonara no Tsubasa'']], I give you [[HumongousMecha Macross]] [[TransformingMecha Quarter's]] [[SkySurfing Big Wednesday]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uULjjKgHPkE Formation]].
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* CrazyAweomse: CrazyAwesome: From [[''TheMovie ''[[TheMovie Sayonara no Tsubasa'']], Tsubasa]]'', I give you [[HumongousMecha Macross]] [[TransformingMecha Quarter's]] [[SkySurfing Big Wednesday]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uULjjKgHPkE Formation]].
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Meta example. Since the series ended, many fans wished a resolution on the show's LoveTriangle, which is one reason why the second NonSerialMovie was so awaited. Unfortrunately, in the meantime the constant ShipToShipCombat of the fans, which could not warm up to the suggested resolution ([[spoiler: "they will decide later, and it doesn't matter"]]), constantly attacked Kawamori for not going with "their" ship, whatever that was. Thus the Movie '''did''' resolve [[BittersweetEnding the]] LoveTriangle - [[ShipSinking in]] [[DiabolusExMachina just]] [[TheHeroDies the]] [[DeathByAdaptation worst]] [[LeftHanging way]] [[CerebusEnding possible]], while also [[AdaptationDecay destroying many]] [[AnAesop Aesops]] [[AdaptationDecay the Series had]], such as "Understanding is possible even between [[BugWar very different opponents]]." It also shifted a previously [[YourMileageMayVary perfectly balanced]] on SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism show towards being outright cynical - and [[spoiler: gave it a SequelHook where [[LeftHanging no sequel is planned]].]] WasItReallyWorthIt? No wonder said movie is already on the verge to become FanonDiscontinuity.
** Of course YMMV on this topic as just as many watchers of the tv series did expect it to end this way. [[spoiler: Quite a few people found the tv series strange in its ultimate message as the events leading up to the ending were radically different in tone and wasn't building up to it. And considering that they did change the anime's ending last minute on a whim, the movie's ending may very well have been the original planned.]]
** Attacks to Kawamori? That I had understood, it wasn't ''his'' call to not resolve the triangle. He didn't write the TV series script either. He co-wrote the movies, though.
** Of course YMMV on this topic as just as many watchers of the tv series did expect it to end this way. [[spoiler: Quite a few people found the tv series strange in its ultimate message as the events leading up to the ending were radically different in tone and wasn't building up to it. And considering that they did change the anime's ending last minute on a whim, the movie's ending may very well have been the original planned.]]
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** Attacks to Kawamori? That I had understood, it wasn't ''his'' call to not resolve the triangle. He didn't write the TV series script either. He co-wrote the movies, though.
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* DeathOfTheAuthor: This along with the fact that the movies are AlternateContinuty have been what alot of [[spoiler:Ranka/Harem]] fans have been hanging on to since the movies came out.
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* InternetBackdraft: Do not and I repeat do not bring up Ranka's character development, or her behavior, actions or lack thereof over the course of the series in any Macross Forum. You will start a war.
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* InternetBackdraft: Do not and I repeat do not bring up Ranka's character development, or her behavior, actions or lack thereof over the course of the TV series in any Macross Forum. You will start a war. Movie Ranka is safe though.
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* MisBlamed: A strange combination of types 3,4, and 5. [[spoiler: Fans blame Kawamori for not resolving the love triangle in the last episode because of favoritism and marketing, however this belief was due to a bunch of faked interviews mentioned in the main pages description. In actuality it was Yoshino the series script writer who was at fault for the love triangle not resolving and for non of the reasons previously thought. But some of the FanDumb WhoDidNotDoTheirResearch WhoDidNotDoTheResearch still blames Kawamori for what happened.]]
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** Right in the first episode, a Vajra mecha grabs Alto's partner and crushes him in its bare hands like a bug. We don't see the body fortunately, but we do see a ''lot'' of blood coming from between its fingers.
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** Attacks to Kawamori? That I had understood, it wasn't ''his'' call to not resolve the triangle. He didn't write the TV series script either. He co-wrote the movies, though.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Meta example. Since the series ended, many fans wished a resolution on the show's LoveTriangle, which is one reason why the second NonSerialMovie was so awaited. Unfortrunately, in the meantime the constant ShipToShipCombat of the fans, which could not warm up to the suggested resolution ([[spoiler: "they will decide later, and it doesn't matter"]]), constantly attacked Kawamori for not going with "their" ship, whatever that was, and even resorted to [[FanDumb falsifying the ]] WordOfGod (see link in the page beginning), have pissed the director off (this is [[YourMileageMayVary debatable]] but it certainly looks like this). Thus the Movie '''did''' [[WriterRevolt resolve]] [[BittersweetEnding the]] LoveTriangle - [[ShipSinking in]] [[DiabolusExMachina just]] [[TheHeroDies the]] [[DeathByAdaptation worst]] [[LeftHanging way]] [[CerebusEnding possible]], while also [[AdaptationDecay destroying many]] [[AnAesop Aesops]] [[AdaptationDecay the Series had]], such as "Understanding is possible even between [[BugWar very different opponents]]." It also shifted a previously [[YourMileageMayVary perfectly balanced]] on SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism show towards being outright cynical - and [[spoiler: gave it a SequelHook where [[LeftHanging no sequel is planned]].]] WasItReallyWorthIt? No wonder said movie is already on the verge to become FanonDiscontinuity.
** Of course YMMV on this topic as just as many watchers of the tv series did expect it to end this way.
** Of course YMMV on this topic as just as many watchers of the tv series did expect it to end this way.
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Meta example. Since the series ended, many fans wished a resolution on the show's LoveTriangle, which is one reason why the second NonSerialMovie was so awaited. Unfortrunately, in the meantime the constant ShipToShipCombat of the fans, which could not warm up to the suggested resolution ([[spoiler: "they will decide later, and it doesn't matter"]]), constantly attacked Kawamori for not going with "their" ship, whatever that was, and even resorted to [[FanDumb falsifying the ]] WordOfGod (see link in the page beginning), have pissed the director off (this is [[YourMileageMayVary debatable]] but it certainly looks like this). was. Thus the Movie '''did''' [[WriterRevolt resolve]] resolve [[BittersweetEnding the]] LoveTriangle - [[ShipSinking in]] [[DiabolusExMachina just]] [[TheHeroDies the]] [[DeathByAdaptation worst]] [[LeftHanging way]] [[CerebusEnding possible]], while also [[AdaptationDecay destroying many]] [[AnAesop Aesops]] [[AdaptationDecay the Series had]], such as "Understanding is possible even between [[BugWar very different opponents]]." It also shifted a previously [[YourMileageMayVary perfectly balanced]] on SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism show towards being outright cynical - and [[spoiler: gave it a SequelHook where [[LeftHanging no sequel is planned]].]] WasItReallyWorthIt? No wonder said movie is already on the verge to become FanonDiscontinuity.
** Of course YMMV on this topic as just as many watchers of the tv series did expect it to end this way. [[spoiler: Quite a few people found the tv series strange in its ultimate message as the events leading up to the ending were radically different in tone and wasn't building up to it. And considering that they did change the anime's ending last minute on a whim, the movie's ending may very well have been the original planned.]]
** Of course YMMV on this topic as just as many watchers of the tv series did expect it to end this way. [[spoiler: Quite a few people found the tv series strange in its ultimate message as the events leading up to the ending were radically different in tone and wasn't building up to it. And considering that they did change the anime's ending last minute on a whim, the movie's ending may very well have been the original planned.]]
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* BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor: Meta example. Since the series ended, many fans wished a resolution on the show's LoveTriangle, which is one reason why the second NonSerialMovie was so awaited. Unfortrunately, in the meantime the constant ShipToShipCombat of the fans, which could not warm up to the suggested resolution ([[spoiler: "they will decide later, and it doesn't matter"]]), constantly attacked Kawamori for not going with "their" ship, whatever that was, and even resorted to [[FanDumb falsifying the ]] WordOfGod (see link in the page beginning), have pissed the director off (this is [[YourMileageMayVary debatable]] but it certainly looks like this). Thus the Movie '''did''' [[WriterRevolt resolve]] [[BittersweetEnding the]] LoveTriangle - [[ShipSinking in]] [[DiabolusExMachina just]] [[TheHeroDies the]] [[DeathByAdaptation worst]] [[LeftHanging way]] [[CerebusEnding possible]], while also [[AdaptationDecay destroying many]] [[AnAesop Aesops]] [[AdaptationDecay the Series had]], such as "Understanding is possible even between [[BugWar very different opponents]]." It also shifted a previously [[YourMileageMayVary perfectly balanced]] on SlidingScaleOfIdealsimVersusCynicism SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism show towards being outright cynical - and [[spoiler: gave it a SequelHook where [[LeftHanging no sequel is planned]].]] WasItReallyWorthIt? No wonder said movie is already on the verge to become FanonDiscontinuity.
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** Of course YMMV on this topic as just as many watchers of the tv series did expect it to end this way.
** Of course YMMV on this topic as just as many watchers of the tv series did expect it to end this way.
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: A fair few, but special credit has to go to the end of ''The Wings of Goodbye''... [[spoiler:Where the LoveTriangle '''featured as the trope pic''' is resolved after four years]].
--> ''[[spoiler:Alto Saotome]]: "[[spoiler:Sheryl... Even though it may be too late, [[DyingDeclarationOfLove I love you]]]]."''
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* CargoShip: some fans joke that Alto's 'One Twu Wuv' is his VF-25, which can lead to an amusing TakeAThirdOption regarding his LoveTriangle.
** The VF-25 Alto [[EjectionSeat bails on]] while it's literally [[ShipSinking going down in flames]]?
*** He can get a new one! He's used to it blowing up on him! It's like [[InvaderZim GIRxPiggy]]!
* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Grace]] and TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness. If their plan to [[TakeOverTheWorld Take Over The Galaxy]] including subverting everyone's free will with mind control implants and killing ''everyone'' who resisted didn't tip you off, there's always Sheryl's backstory. The way Grace sadistically discards Sheryl after watching her grow up from age seven leaves it pretty clear that Grace crossed the MoralEventHorizon a ''long'' time ago]].
* ContinuityNod: Alto does the same hand-airplane sign that Isamu does in Macross Plus, the apperance of Ghost V-9's in [[spoiler: the final battle]], The "Legend of Zero" episode, episode 17 being one long refrence and subversion of the old Macross episode "Pineapple Salad", the ironic twist on "Do You Remember Love". Heck, we could just say the entire show crosses the line into ContinuityPorn (although in this case, damn few people would argue that it hurts the series... so far).
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Considering how important music is to the overall plot, this comes as no surprise.
** Considering the soundtrack was composed by '''''YokoKanno''''', this should come as no surprise.
* DieForOurShip: Ranka, in the eyes of Sheryl/Alto shippers. Sheryl, in the eyes of Ranka/Alto shippers. Both sides are equally pretty bad though.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Subverted, though Grace is really popular amongst fans, they don't make her out to be an victim.
* FanNickname:
** As a result of MemeticMutation, Ranka is sometimes referred to as "Nyan Nyan";
** Part of the fandom has started calling Brera "Evil Jesus" due to his resembling [[GundamSeed Kira Yamato]] (and having the same voice actor), whose FanNickname is "Jesus Yamato".
** To differentiate between her two forms, some referred to macronized (Zentradi size) Klan Klan as Klan-sama.
** Bobby Margot, SMS helmsman of the macross quarter, is often called [=GARby=] by fans when he has his {{Hot Blooded}} moments (those moments being referred to as entering [=GARby=] mode).
** towards the end of the series, the three bridge bunnies (Monica, Mina and Ram) were referred to as "Bobby's Daughters".
** Alto has several of these, there's Alto-hime (that was used in the show by mikhail) Pilot-hime (after he finally got designated a pilot) Kabuki-hime (reference to his past as a kabuki performer) & Sakura-hime (again referencing his past in kabuki theater, but more specifically the name of the last kabuki play he performed in.).
** Sheryl's boobs have the nickname of Hopes and Dreams after an infamous scene in episode 11 which basically involves Sheryl groping her own boobs while declaring that her chest gives people "[[TheNicknamer hopes and dreams]]".
** Grace's boobs are known as Despairs and Nightmares after a somewhat less infamous scene where Grace gropes her own boobs [[spoiler:while she monologues her evil plan]], earning the nickname by MemeticMutation from Sheryl's own scene.
* InternetBackdraft: Do not and I repeat do not bring up Ranka's character development, or her behavior, actions or lack thereof over the course of the series in any Macross Forum. You will start a war.
*[[spoiler: [[HesJustHiding He's Just Hiding]]. Alto Saotome's fate in the end of Sayonara no Tsubasa]]: Movie-verse only.
* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler:Grace O'Connor. She turns the entirety of Macross Galaxy into a HiveMind with herself as the Queen, infiltrates Macross Frontier without even bothering to use an alias or hide her cybernetic implants, killed a little girl's parents for revenge on her family, then had said little girl live on the streets as a beggar for her pure enjoyment, then infects her with the V-type virus which would slowly kill her, then turned little girl into the into a pop idol, solely to use her fame and fold-wave-producing voice for her own benefit (then dumped her the second that a superior replacement was found), manipulated Brera into kidnapping and brainwashing his own sister against his will, completely out-maneuvered co-conspirator Leon Mishima, died ''twice'' without casting suspicion on herself, and finally achieves her goal of becoming a Super Dimensional Being: TheVerse's equivalent of a ''[[AGodAmI god]].'' And she does the whole thing while rocking the [[HotLibrarian sexy office lady/librarian look]], which provides no real measurable effect, but is probably worth style points.]]
* MemeticMutation:
** ''Nyan Nyan, Nyan Nyan, ni-hao Nyan! Gorgeous, Delicious, Deculture!''
** ''Ninjin loves you, Yeah!''
** How Grace got her FanNickname is a significant case. [[spoiler:Grace never says the name, but she happened to grope her breasts anyway, and everyone happened to remember Sheryl's infamous scene introducing "Hopes and Dreams", and since Grace is EVIL, it was inverted: "Despairs and Nightmares"]]
* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler:Almost ''every shot'' of Grace in the last 2 episodes.]]
* OneTruePairing: [[spoiler:Mikhail and Klan]]. Probably the only pairing ''[[YourMileageMayVary nearly]]'' everyone agrees on.
* ShipToShipCombat: Alto/Ranka vs Alto/Sheryl. So vicious that the only acceptable outcome is the ''[[TotalAnnihilation complete elimination]]'' of the other. [[TakeAThirdOption Well]]... [[OT3 sort of]].
* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Michael.]] Episode 20. [[spoiler: KilledOffForReal.]]
** Subverted with a LampshadeHanging and a big middle finger to the audience with [[spoiler: Ozma, which the writers decided to play as many parallels to Roy Fokker's death as possible.]]
* [[spoiler: TheHeroDies]]: [[spoiler: Alto Saotome.]] Movie-verseonly.only.
* TheissTitillationTheory: Sheryl's [[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/mike_s_6/gb/071206nt0801.jpg stage wear]]. Though, unlike other examples, Sheryl's physics-defying wardrobe has an excuse -- it's entirely digital. She's really wearing a full-boy hologram suit.
* UglyCute: [[spoiler: Ai-kun in his second form.]]
* VillainDecay: The Ghost V-9 drones, the mass-production model of the deadly Ghost X-9 of ''MacrossPlus'', which could singlehandedly dogfight two {{Ace Pilot}}s in {{Super Prototype}}s to a standstill,) are reduced to being mere EliteMooks in the final battle of ''Frontier''. To be fair, it has been almost 20 years since the events of Macross Plus, with requisite advantages in technology. Besides, you still never see one get taken out by a human pilot - the only thing that is shown actually standing up to Galaxy's V-9s are Luca's own AIF-7S's once released to full AI control. Also, as soon as all of the non-hero pilots see them, they instantly crap their pants and are shown getting blown up rather quickly.
* TheWoobie: Ranka [[spoiler: ''and'' Sheryl, especially after Episode 18.]]
** The VF-25 Alto [[EjectionSeat bails on]] while it's literally [[ShipSinking going down in flames]]?
*** He can get a new one! He's used to it blowing up on him! It's like [[InvaderZim GIRxPiggy]]!
* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Grace]] and TheOmniscientCouncilOfVagueness. If their plan to [[TakeOverTheWorld Take Over The Galaxy]] including subverting everyone's free will with mind control implants and killing ''everyone'' who resisted didn't tip you off, there's always Sheryl's backstory. The way Grace sadistically discards Sheryl after watching her grow up from age seven leaves it pretty clear that Grace crossed the MoralEventHorizon a ''long'' time ago]].
* ContinuityNod: Alto does the same hand-airplane sign that Isamu does in Macross Plus, the apperance of Ghost V-9's in [[spoiler: the final battle]], The "Legend of Zero" episode, episode 17 being one long refrence and subversion of the old Macross episode "Pineapple Salad", the ironic twist on "Do You Remember Love". Heck, we could just say the entire show crosses the line into ContinuityPorn (although in this case, damn few people would argue that it hurts the series... so far).
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Considering how important music is to the overall plot, this comes as no surprise.
** Considering the soundtrack was composed by '''''YokoKanno''''', this should come as no surprise.
* DieForOurShip: Ranka, in the eyes of Sheryl/Alto shippers. Sheryl, in the eyes of Ranka/Alto shippers. Both sides are equally pretty bad though.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Subverted, though Grace is really popular amongst fans, they don't make her out to be an victim.
* FanNickname:
** As a result of MemeticMutation, Ranka is sometimes referred to as "Nyan Nyan";
** Part of the fandom has started calling Brera "Evil Jesus" due to his resembling [[GundamSeed Kira Yamato]] (and having the same voice actor), whose FanNickname is "Jesus Yamato".
** To differentiate between her two forms, some referred to macronized (Zentradi size) Klan Klan as Klan-sama.
** Bobby Margot, SMS helmsman of the macross quarter, is often called [=GARby=] by fans when he has his {{Hot Blooded}} moments (those moments being referred to as entering [=GARby=] mode).
** towards the end of the series, the three bridge bunnies (Monica, Mina and Ram) were referred to as "Bobby's Daughters".
** Alto has several of these, there's Alto-hime (that was used in the show by mikhail) Pilot-hime (after he finally got designated a pilot) Kabuki-hime (reference to his past as a kabuki performer) & Sakura-hime (again referencing his past in kabuki theater, but more specifically the name of the last kabuki play he performed in.).
** Sheryl's boobs have the nickname of Hopes and Dreams after an infamous scene in episode 11 which basically involves Sheryl groping her own boobs while declaring that her chest gives people "[[TheNicknamer hopes and dreams]]".
** Grace's boobs are known as Despairs and Nightmares after a somewhat less infamous scene where Grace gropes her own boobs [[spoiler:while she monologues her evil plan]], earning the nickname by MemeticMutation from Sheryl's own scene.
* InternetBackdraft: Do not and I repeat do not bring up Ranka's character development, or her behavior, actions or lack thereof over the course of the series in any Macross Forum. You will start a war.
*[[spoiler: [[HesJustHiding He's Just Hiding]]. Alto Saotome's fate in the end of Sayonara no Tsubasa]]: Movie-verse only.
* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler:Grace O'Connor. She turns the entirety of Macross Galaxy into a HiveMind with herself as the Queen, infiltrates Macross Frontier without even bothering to use an alias or hide her cybernetic implants, killed a little girl's parents for revenge on her family, then had said little girl live on the streets as a beggar for her pure enjoyment, then infects her with the V-type virus which would slowly kill her, then turned little girl into the into a pop idol, solely to use her fame and fold-wave-producing voice for her own benefit (then dumped her the second that a superior replacement was found), manipulated Brera into kidnapping and brainwashing his own sister against his will, completely out-maneuvered co-conspirator Leon Mishima, died ''twice'' without casting suspicion on herself, and finally achieves her goal of becoming a Super Dimensional Being: TheVerse's equivalent of a ''[[AGodAmI god]].'' And she does the whole thing while rocking the [[HotLibrarian sexy office lady/librarian look]], which provides no real measurable effect, but is probably worth style points.]]
* MemeticMutation:
** ''Nyan Nyan, Nyan Nyan, ni-hao Nyan! Gorgeous, Delicious, Deculture!''
** ''Ninjin loves you, Yeah!''
** How Grace got her FanNickname is a significant case. [[spoiler:Grace never says the name, but she happened to grope her breasts anyway, and everyone happened to remember Sheryl's infamous scene introducing "Hopes and Dreams", and since Grace is EVIL, it was inverted: "Despairs and Nightmares"]]
* NightmareFuel: [[spoiler:Almost ''every shot'' of Grace in the last 2 episodes.]]
* OneTruePairing: [[spoiler:Mikhail and Klan]]. Probably the only pairing ''[[YourMileageMayVary nearly]]'' everyone agrees on.
* ShipToShipCombat: Alto/Ranka vs Alto/Sheryl. So vicious that the only acceptable outcome is the ''[[TotalAnnihilation complete elimination]]'' of the other. [[TakeAThirdOption Well]]... [[OT3 sort of]].
* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Michael.]] Episode 20. [[spoiler: KilledOffForReal.]]
** Subverted with a LampshadeHanging and a big middle finger to the audience with [[spoiler: Ozma, which the writers decided to play as many parallels to Roy Fokker's death as possible.]]
* [[spoiler: TheHeroDies]]: [[spoiler: Alto Saotome.]] Movie-verse
* TheissTitillationTheory: Sheryl's [[http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/mike_s_6/gb/071206nt0801.jpg stage wear]]. Though, unlike other examples, Sheryl's physics-defying wardrobe has an excuse -- it's entirely digital. She's really wearing a full-boy hologram suit.
* UglyCute: [[spoiler: Ai-kun in his second form.]]
* VillainDecay: The Ghost V-9 drones, the mass-production model of the deadly Ghost X-9 of ''MacrossPlus'', which could singlehandedly dogfight two {{Ace Pilot}}s in {{Super Prototype}}s to a standstill,) are reduced to being mere EliteMooks in the final battle of ''Frontier''. To be fair, it has been almost 20 years since the events of Macross Plus, with requisite advantages in technology. Besides, you still never see one get taken out by a human pilot - the only thing that is shown actually standing up to Galaxy's V-9s are Luca's own AIF-7S's once released to full AI control. Also, as soon as all of the non-hero pilots see them, they instantly crap their pants and are shown getting blown up rather quickly.
* TheWoobie: Ranka [[spoiler: ''and'' Sheryl, especially after Episode 18.]]
