History YMMV / MacrossFrontier

30th Jul '16 11:46:27 PM BatmanKalEl
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* BadassDecay: The Ghost V-9 drones, the mass-production model of the deadly Ghost X-9 of ''Anime/MacrossPlus'', which could singlehandedly dogfight two {{Ace Pilot}}s in {{Super Prototype}}s to a standstill,) are reduced to being mere EliteMooks in the final battle of ''Frontier''. To be fair, it has been almost 20 years since the events of Macross Plus, with requisite advantages in technology. Besides, you still never see one get taken out by a human pilot - the only thing that is shown actually standing up to Galaxy's V-9s are Luca's own AIF-7S's once released to full AI control. Also, as soon as all of the non-hero pilots see them, they instantly crap their pants and are shown getting blown up rather quickly.



* VillainDecay: The Ghost V-9 drones, the mass-production model of the deadly Ghost X-9 of ''Anime/MacrossPlus'', which could singlehandedly dogfight two {{Ace Pilot}}s in {{Super Prototype}}s to a standstill,) are reduced to being mere EliteMooks in the final battle of ''Frontier''. To be fair, it has been almost 20 years since the events of Macross Plus, with requisite advantages in technology. Besides, you still never see one get taken out by a human pilot - the only thing that is shown actually standing up to Galaxy's V-9s are Luca's own AIF-7S's once released to full AI control. Also, as soon as all of the non-hero pilots see them, they instantly crap their pants and are shown getting blown up rather quickly.
30th Jul '16 11:45:27 PM BatmanKalEl
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* ShipSinking: The writers ''finally'' made an effort to shut up the Alto/Ranka and Alto/Sheryl shippers in the movies by [[spoiler:having Alto ultimately pick Sheryl over Ranka]].
23rd Jun '16 7:35:36 PM ANewMan
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* [[HesJustHiding He's Just Hiding]]: Movie-verse only for [[spoiler:Alto and Sheryl.]] Fans questioned whether or not they were dead due to the ambiguity of the ending, but [[WordOfGod Kawamori]] clarified that [[spoiler:they both survived: Sheryl was in a coma for a while but woke up, while Alto returned to the Frontier Fleet after a bit. Kawamori even expressed shock that anyone thought the two of them ended up dead, as this was apparently not even remotely what he was trying to imply.]]



* [[HesJustHiding He's Just Hiding]]: Movie-verse only for [[spoiler:Alto and Sheryl.]] Fans questioned whether or not they were dead due to the ambiguity of the ending, but [[WordOfGod Kawamori]] clarified that [[spoiler:they both survived: Sheryl was in a coma for a while but woke up, while Alto returned to the Frontier Fleet after a bit. Kawamori even expressed shock that anyone thought the two of them ended up dead, as this was apparently not even remotely what he was trying to imply.]]
20th Jun '16 7:37:04 PM Scraggle
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* CompleteMonster:
** MadScientist [[BigBad Grace O'Connor]] uses a fleet of millions of people as tools to [[TakeOverTheWorld take over the galaxy]]. Her [[AssimilationPlot ultimate plan]] is to MindControl a race of beings (the Vajra) in order to subjugate another race of beings (Humans and Zentradi) and give them all the ultimatum of MindControl implants or death, in effect enslaving the entire galaxy not just physically, but mentally as well. Despite all this, possibly her greatest crime is what she did to one [[WouldHurtAChild seven-year-old girl]] named Sheryl Nome . She murdered her parents, tormented her on the streets where she was homeless and alone, and finally used her in an experiment that causes extreme pain, and even if she didn't die like the previous eight subjects, [[YourDaysAreNumbered she would still die in ten years]]. Grace comes to admit to herself that over the ten years she raised Sheryl, she came to care very deeply for her. However, she decides that these feelings are probably going to get in the way of her mission and [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul deletes them]] in what could be considered a very subtle but all the more damning crossing of the MoralEventHorizon (this is changed in the movie). Averted in the movies and the manga.
** Also Leon, who [[spoiler: working with Grace and murders the good president.]] He even makes fun of the LoveTriangle in the movies after seeing how heartbroken Ranka was at how Sheryl and Alto seem to be getting close together, and right before [[spoiler: ordering NUN troops to arrest Sheryl.]] Did I mention that Alto was injured and wheelchair bound in this scene while being restrained? You're going to taunt a guy in a wheelchair and a sad little girl?

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* CompleteMonster:
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CompleteMonster: MadScientist [[BigBad Grace O'Connor]] uses a fleet of millions of people as tools to [[TakeOverTheWorld take over the galaxy]]. Her [[AssimilationPlot ultimate plan]] is to MindControl a race of beings (the Vajra) in order to subjugate another race of beings (Humans and Zentradi) and give them all the ultimatum of MindControl implants or death, in effect enslaving the entire galaxy not just physically, but mentally as well. Despite all this, possibly her greatest crime is what she did to one [[WouldHurtAChild seven-year-old girl]] named Sheryl Nome . She murdered her parents, tormented her on the streets where she was homeless and alone, and finally used her in an experiment that causes extreme pain, and even if she didn't die like the previous eight subjects, [[YourDaysAreNumbered she would still die in ten years]]. Grace comes to admit to herself that over the ten years she raised Sheryl, she came to care very deeply for her. However, she decides that these feelings are probably going to get in the way of her mission and [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul deletes them]] in what could be considered a very subtle but all the more damning crossing of the MoralEventHorizon (this is changed in the movie). Averted in the movies and the manga.
** Also Leon, who [[spoiler: working with Grace and murders the good president.]] He even makes fun of the LoveTriangle in the movies after seeing how heartbroken Ranka was at how Sheryl and Alto seem to be getting close together, and right before [[spoiler: ordering NUN troops to arrest Sheryl.]] Did I mention that Alto was injured and wheelchair bound in this scene while being restrained? You're going to taunt a guy in a wheelchair and a sad little girl?
manga.
18th Jun '16 1:56:18 PM BatmanKalEl
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* CompleteMonster: MadScientist [[BigBad Grace O'Connor]] uses a fleet of millions of people as tools to [[TakeOverTheWorld take over the galaxy]]. Her [[AssimilationPlot ultimate plan]] is to MindControl a race of beings (the Vajra) in order to subjugate another race of beings (Humans and Zentradi) and give them all the ultimatum of MindControl implants or death, in effect enslaving the entire galaxy not just physically, but mentally as well. Despite all this, possibly her greatest crime is what she did to one [[WouldHurtAChild seven-year-old girl]] named Sheryl Nome . She murdered her parents, tormented her on the streets where she was homeless and alone, and finally used her in an experiment that causes extreme pain, and even if she didn't die like the previous eight subjects, [[YourDaysAreNumbered she would still die in ten years]]. Grace comes to admit to herself that over the ten years she raised Sheryl, she came to care very deeply for her. However, she decides that these feelings are probably going to get in the way of her mission and [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul deletes them]] in what could be considered a very subtle but all the more damning crossing of the MoralEventHorizon (this is changed in the movie).
** Averted in the movies and the manga.

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* CompleteMonster: CompleteMonster:
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MadScientist [[BigBad Grace O'Connor]] uses a fleet of millions of people as tools to [[TakeOverTheWorld take over the galaxy]]. Her [[AssimilationPlot ultimate plan]] is to MindControl a race of beings (the Vajra) in order to subjugate another race of beings (Humans and Zentradi) and give them all the ultimatum of MindControl implants or death, in effect enslaving the entire galaxy not just physically, but mentally as well. Despite all this, possibly her greatest crime is what she did to one [[WouldHurtAChild seven-year-old girl]] named Sheryl Nome . She murdered her parents, tormented her on the streets where she was homeless and alone, and finally used her in an experiment that causes extreme pain, and even if she didn't die like the previous eight subjects, [[YourDaysAreNumbered she would still die in ten years]]. Grace comes to admit to herself that over the ten years she raised Sheryl, she came to care very deeply for her. However, she decides that these feelings are probably going to get in the way of her mission and [[CyberneticsEatYourSoul deletes them]] in what could be considered a very subtle but all the more damning crossing of the MoralEventHorizon (this is changed in the movie).
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movie). Averted in the movies and the manga.manga.
** Also Leon, who [[spoiler: working with Grace and murders the good president.]] He even makes fun of the LoveTriangle in the movies after seeing how heartbroken Ranka was at how Sheryl and Alto seem to be getting close together, and right before [[spoiler: ordering NUN troops to arrest Sheryl.]] Did I mention that Alto was injured and wheelchair bound in this scene while being restrained? You're going to taunt a guy in a wheelchair and a sad little girl?



** Also Leon, who [[spoiler: working with Grace and murders the good president.]] He even makes fun of the LoveTriangle in the movies after seeing how heartbroken Ranka was at how Sheryl and Alto seem to be getting close together, and right before [[spoiler: ordering NUN troops to arrest Sheryl.]] Did I mention that Alto was injured and wheelchair bound in this scene while being restrained? You're going to taunt a guy in a wheelchair and a sad little girl?
5th May '16 4:54:10 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* {{HSQ}}: OverNineThousand. This is the Macross series' answer to TengenToppaGurrenLagann.

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* {{HSQ}}: OverNineThousand. This is the Macross series' answer to TengenToppaGurrenLagann.''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann''.
15th Apr '16 12:13:06 AM Unityd3v
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** Averted in the movies and the manga.
14th Apr '16 4:03:09 AM Unityd3v
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** How Grace got her FanNickname is a significant case. [[spoiler:Grace never says the name, but she happened to grope her breasts anyway, and everyone happened to remember Sheryl's infamous scene introducing "Hopes and Dreams", and since Grace is EVIL, it was inverted: "Despairs and Nightmares"]]

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** How Grace got her "Hopes and Dreams" as the FanNickname is a significant case.for Sheryl's breasts, after she states that the give people these. This of course leads to.
*** Grace's own FanNickname.
[[spoiler:Grace never says the name, but she happened to grope her breasts anyway, and everyone happened to remember Sheryl's infamous scene introducing "Hopes and Dreams", and since Grace is EVIL, it was inverted: "Despairs and Nightmares"]]
2nd Dec '15 1:38:51 PM DarkHunter
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* [[spoiler: [[HesJustHiding He's Just Hiding]]. Alto Saotome's fate in the end of Sayonara no Tsubasa]]: Movie-verse only.
** [[spoiler: And in Sheryl's case it's "She's Just Sleeping", though this is slightly more justified, as she visibly stirs at the end.]]

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* [[spoiler: [[HesJustHiding He's Just Hiding]]. Alto Saotome's fate in the end of Sayonara no Tsubasa]]: Hiding]]: Movie-verse only.
** [[spoiler: And
only for [[spoiler:Alto and Sheryl.]] Fans questioned whether or not they were dead due to the ambiguity of the ending, but [[WordOfGod Kawamori]] clarified that [[spoiler:they both survived: Sheryl was in Sheryl's case it's "She's Just Sleeping", though a coma for a while but woke up, while Alto returned to the Frontier Fleet after a bit. Kawamori even expressed shock that anyone thought the two of them ended up dead, as this is slightly more justified, as she visibly stirs at the end.was apparently not even remotely what he was trying to imply.]]
21st Nov '15 7:56:53 AM ANewMan
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** It's even worse when both sides start using SlutShaming against the other. Sheryl/Alto fans say that Ranka is a barely legal skank and jail bait who uses her cute looks to attract Alto so he won't choose a "Stronger, Perfect And Better Developed Real Woman" like Sheryl, while Ranka/Alto fans retort that Sheryl's {{Stripperiffic}} outfits and large breasts make her a slut who would rape Alto if hse could unlike sweet and poor and flatchested Ranka.

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** It's even worse when both sides start using SlutShaming against the other. Sheryl/Alto fans say that Ranka is a barely legal skank and jail bait who uses her cute looks to attract Alto so he won't choose a "Stronger, Perfect And Better Developed Real Woman" like Sheryl, while Ranka/Alto fans retort that Sheryl's {{Stripperiffic}} outfits and large breasts make her a slut who would rape Alto if hse she could unlike sweet and poor and flatchested Ranka.
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