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22nd Oct '17 8:00:40 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* BreatherLevel: Chapter 6. There are no battles; you just need to hold left the entire tmie. [[TearJerker The toll on your emotions is sufficient enough]].

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* BreatherLevel: Chapter 6. There are no battles; you just need to hold left the entire tmie.time. [[TearJerker The toll on your emotions is sufficient enough]].
22nd Oct '17 8:00:31 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* BreatherLevel: Chapter 6. [[TearJerker The toll on your emotions is sufficient enough]].

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* BreatherLevel: Chapter 6. There are no battles; you just need to hold left the entire tmie. [[TearJerker The toll on your emotions is sufficient enough]].
8th Oct '17 5:38:01 PM Ninplanet123
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** [[spoiler: Fassad/Locria]]. Exactly how much information provided by his mouse can we trust?
** [[spoiler:Porky Minch]]. Is he [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic]] or utterly irredeemable? Is he [[TragicVillain a victim of circumstance]] or [[ForTheEvulz acting completely out of his own desires]]? Did he really care about [[spoiler: Ness]] at all, and would he have turned out better if they had been friends? Should we LoveToHate him or [[HateSink just hate him]]? No one knows for sure, and all are equally legitimate views.
** [[spoiler:Claus's reasons for killing himself in the final battle have been the subject of debate for years. Did he do it [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone out of remorse for his actions]]? Or was [[IDieFree Porky's control over him so strong that the only way for him to be free through death]]?]]

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** [[spoiler: Fassad/Locria]].[[spoiler:Fassad/Locria]]. Exactly how much information provided by his mouse can we trust?
** [[spoiler:Porky Minch]]. Is he [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds sympathetic]] or utterly irredeemable? Is he [[TragicVillain a victim of circumstance]] or [[ForTheEvulz acting completely out of his own desires]]? Did he really care about [[spoiler: Ness]] [[spoiler:Ness]] at all, and would he have turned out better if they had been friends? Should we LoveToHate him or [[HateSink just hate him]]? No one knows for sure, and all are equally legitimate views.
** [[spoiler:Claus's reasons for killing himself in the final battle have been the subject of debate for years. Did he do it [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone out of remorse for his actions]]? Or was [[IDieFree Porky's control over him so strong that the only way for him to be free was through death]]?]]



* CaptainObviousReveal: Many players catch on to the [[{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadowing]] regarding the fact that [[spoiler: the Masked Man is Claus]]. Yet the final battle still impacts many players, regardless if they caught on to TheReveal. Same goes for [[spoiler: Porky]], especially if you've played ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' beforehand. To be fair, the creator mentioned he would be in the game ''way'' before it actually got published.
** If you notice the music New Fassad and Miracle Fassad play on their horns ([[spoiler:an ominous version of the Magypsy theme]]), the reveal of Fassad being [[spoiler: Locria, the seventh Magypsy,]] might be a bit easier to figure out.

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* CaptainObviousReveal: Many players catch on to the [[{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadowing]] regarding the fact that [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Masked Man is Claus]]. Yet the final battle still impacts many players, regardless if they caught on to TheReveal. Same goes for [[spoiler: Porky]], [[spoiler:Porky]], especially if you've played ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' beforehand. To be fair, the creator mentioned he would be in the game ''way'' before it actually got published.
** If you notice the music New Fassad and Miracle Fassad play on their horns ([[spoiler:an ominous version of the Magypsy theme]]), the reveal of Fassad being [[spoiler: Locria, [[spoiler:Locria, the seventh Magypsy,]] might be a bit easier to figure out.



** Mother 3, when compared to its [[VideoGame/EarthboundBeginnings two]] [[VideoGame/{{Earthbound}} predecessors]], is a lot more overtly [[TrueArtIsAngsty tragic]]. From the very start, Hinawa is KilledOffForReal, Claus disappears in his attempt to avenge her [[spoiler: becoming the Masked Man in the process]], and Flint becomes obsessed with searching for him, [[ParentalNeglect resulting in his neglect of Lucas]]. Not even the revelation that Fassad [[spoiler: who is actually Locria, the last Magypsy]] took care of a mouse in his home holds any weight, as he not only tried to [[WouldHurtAChild kill the heroes on multiple occasions]], but he gleefully (and repeatedly) [[KickTheDog zapped Salsa with a shock collar]]. Combine that with the townspeople being {{Brainwashed}} by the [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Pigmasks]], the Masked Man being DrivenToSuicide [[spoiler: while being forced to fight his twin brother]], the {{Big Bad}}'s ultimate motive [[spoiler: ([[ItAmusedMe Porky was bored]])]], and an openly AmbiguousEnding, and it can be hard to feel like it's worth playing this game.

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** Mother 3, when compared to its [[VideoGame/EarthboundBeginnings two]] [[VideoGame/{{Earthbound}} predecessors]], is a lot more overtly [[TrueArtIsAngsty tragic]]. From the very start, Hinawa is KilledOffForReal, Claus disappears in his attempt to avenge her [[spoiler: becoming [[spoiler:becoming the Masked Man in the process]], and Flint becomes obsessed with searching for him, [[ParentalNeglect resulting in his neglect of Lucas]]. Not even the revelation that Fassad [[spoiler: who [[spoiler:who is actually Locria, the last Magypsy]] took care of a mouse in his home holds any weight, as he not only tried to [[WouldHurtAChild kill the heroes on multiple occasions]], but he gleefully (and repeatedly) [[KickTheDog zapped Salsa with a shock collar]]. Combine that with the townspeople being {{Brainwashed}} by the [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Pigmasks]], the Masked Man being DrivenToSuicide [[spoiler: while [[spoiler:while being forced to fight his twin brother]], the {{Big Bad}}'s ultimate motive [[spoiler: ([[ItAmusedMe [[spoiler:([[ItAmusedMe Porky was bored]])]], and an openly AmbiguousEnding, and it can be hard to feel like it's worth playing this game.



** Players may also say that [[spoiler: Porky]] is a LoveToHate villain on the side.

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** Players may also say that [[spoiler: Porky]] [[spoiler:Porky]] is a LoveToHate villain on the side.



** There's also a Pigmask who nervously offers you an item when [[spoiler: you're dressed as "the Commander"]] and insists it's just a friendly gift.

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** There's also a Pigmask who nervously offers you an item when [[spoiler: you're [[spoiler:you're dressed as "the Commander"]] and insists it's just a friendly gift.



* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Porky Minch]] crosses it with the ''very first action he partakes in'' by [[spoiler: killing Hinawa]]. And after he hits rock bottom, he begins digging, [[UpToEleven crossing the line again and again and again throughout the story]], until finally crossing it one last time with the reveal of [[spoiler: what he did to Claus]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Porky Minch]] crosses it with the ''very first action he partakes in'' by [[spoiler: killing [[spoiler:killing Hinawa]]. And after he hits rock bottom, he begins digging, [[UpToEleven crossing the line again and again and again throughout the story]], until finally crossing it one last time with the reveal of [[spoiler: what [[spoiler:what he did to Claus]].



* {{Narm}}: Despite being an otherwise emotionally effective game, at the very end [[spoiler: when Claus mortally wounds himself to break from Porky's mind control.]] Despite being a [[{{Pun}} shocking]] moment to both the players and attempting to evoke a psychological response, many couldn't help but laugh at what the game said:

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* {{Narm}}: Despite being an otherwise emotionally effective game, at the very end [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when Claus mortally wounds himself to break from Porky's mind control.]] Despite being a [[{{Pun}} shocking]] moment to both the players and attempting to evoke a psychological response, many couldn't help but laugh at what the game said:



** In Chapter 1, [[spoiler: In a series built around the protagonist usually having a close relationship with their mother during their adventure, it goes against the series expectations that Hinawa, Lucas's ''mother'', is killed very violently.]]

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** In Chapter 1, [[spoiler: In [[spoiler:In a series built around the protagonist usually having a close relationship with their mother during their adventure, it goes against the series expectations that Hinawa, Lucas's ''mother'', is killed very violently.]]



** [[spoiler: Claus, Lucas's twin brother, then goes out into the mountains to try and avenge Hinawa. [[FromBadToWorse He fails]].]]

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** [[spoiler: Claus, [[spoiler:Claus, Lucas's twin brother, then goes out into the mountains to try and avenge Hinawa. [[FromBadToWorse He fails]].]]



* ThatOneLevel: Chapter 3. While all the first three chapters are difficult, Chapter 3 is this by far. For starters, you spend the entirety of it as a JokeCharacter who is easily KO'd, you have to do a lot of menial and repetitive task that get old quick, and the entire time you're forced around by a {{Jerkass}} who makes the characters life a living hell even when he preforms the tasks he asks flawlessly. To top it off, at the end of the chapter, you fight what many consider to be one of the hardest bosses in the game, not helped by the fact that you only have said JokeCharacter and a [[spoiler: SquishyWizard]] in the party, with a GuestStarPartyMember who more often than not does nothing for his turn. While this chapter does have a point story wise, [[note]]showing how evil the bad guys are and the slow corruption of Tazmily[[/note]] the hell it puts the player through and the general hopeless air it has [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy makes some wonder why the chapter's even in the game, and a few to hate the protagonist of said chapter because of how useless he is when it comes to said chapters harder parts]].

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* ThatOneLevel: Chapter 3. While all the first three chapters are difficult, Chapter 3 is this by far. For starters, you spend the entirety of it as a JokeCharacter who is easily KO'd, you have to do a lot of menial and repetitive task that get old quick, and the entire time you're forced around by a {{Jerkass}} who makes the characters life a living hell even when he preforms the tasks he asks flawlessly. To top it off, at the end of the chapter, you fight what many consider to be one of the hardest bosses in the game, not helped by the fact that you only have said JokeCharacter and a [[spoiler: SquishyWizard]] [[spoiler:SquishyWizard]] in the party, with a GuestStarPartyMember who more often than not does nothing for his turn. While this chapter does have a point story wise, [[note]]showing how evil the bad guys are and the slow corruption of Tazmily[[/note]] the hell it puts the player through and the general hopeless air it has [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy makes some wonder why the chapter's even in the game, and a few to hate the protagonist of said chapter because of how useless he is when it comes to said chapters harder parts]].



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Magypsies thought it was ''funny'' that they were sending Claus to his possible [[spoiler: actually FateWorseThanDeath]] death to avenge his mother. [[WeAreAsMayflies Human lives are so small anyways.]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The Magypsies thought it was ''funny'' that they were sending Claus to his possible [[spoiler: actually [[spoiler:actually FateWorseThanDeath]] death to avenge his mother. [[WeAreAsMayflies Human lives are so small anyways.]]



** Except for Lighter and Fuel, most of the citizens of Tazmily Village weren't the nicest to begin with. Lou and Bud mooch off their boss (Lighter), Butch is a {{Jerkass}} who delights in bad things happening and unwittingly began sowing the seeds of corruption by trusting Fassad, the mayor and his wife are insufferable snobs who think only of themselves, Bronson breaks the news of [[spoiler: Hinawa's death]] in a ''very'' inappropriate way by saying that it's both good news and bad news [[spoiler: that he found the Drago Fang pierced through her heart]], Matt's an alcoholic who uses his drinking as an excuse for everything, and just about everyone thinks Wes is useless because he's an old man.

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** Except for Lighter and Fuel, most of the citizens of Tazmily Village weren't the nicest to begin with. Lou and Bud mooch off their boss (Lighter), Butch is a {{Jerkass}} who delights in bad things happening and unwittingly began sowing the seeds of corruption by trusting Fassad, the mayor and his wife are insufferable snobs who think only of themselves, Bronson breaks the news of [[spoiler: Hinawa's [[spoiler:Hinawa's death]] in a ''very'' inappropriate way by saying that it's both good news and bad news [[spoiler: that [[spoiler:that he found the Drago Fang pierced through her heart]], Matt's an alcoholic who uses his drinking as an excuse for everything, and just about everyone thinks Wes is useless because he's an old man.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Don't let the colorful sprites/background and witty humor trick you, Mother 3 is a really dark world you're emerging. The game starts out bright and cute, but after [[spoiler: Hinawa's death]] everything goes downhill from there, to the point it becomes one of the most tragic {{Role Playing Game}}s of all time by the end. Aside the tragedy and intense drama, the amount of profanity will stagger as the game goes on, and there will be references to alcohol and mushroom drugs. Not to mention animal/child abuse being a small plot point (the latter stems from a line sad by an imposter Flint during the MushroomSamba Arc).
* TheWoobie: Lucas. At the start of the game, he's pretty shy and quiet, already making him a bit of a woobie. But then, [[spoiler: his mother is killed by a half-mechanical Drago that was ''acting against its own will'', and then his brother Claus goes missing trying to avenge her. His father goes nearly insane with grief, trying to find Claus every single day for ''three years''. [[FromBadToWorse But that's not it]]. After three years, the hometown he loved has now been developed into a modern city, and eventually is completely abandoned. Then, after learning that everything he knew about his beloved hometown is a lie, he learns that the mysterious Pigmask commander is Claus, who is now a BrainwashedAndCrazy cyborg. Then comes a tragic IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight, which ends with Claus [[DiedInYourArmsTonight dying in Lucas' arms]], [[DyingAsYourself after returning to his senses]].]]

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Don't let the colorful sprites/background and witty humor trick you, Mother 3 is a really dark world you're emerging. The game starts out bright and cute, but after [[spoiler: Hinawa's [[spoiler:Hinawa's death]] everything goes downhill from there, to the point it becomes one of the most tragic {{Role Playing Game}}s of all time by the end. Aside the tragedy and intense drama, the amount of profanity will stagger as the game goes on, and there will be references to alcohol and mushroom drugs. Not to mention animal/child abuse being a small plot point (the latter stems from a line sad by an imposter Flint during the MushroomSamba Arc).
* TheWoobie: Lucas. At the start of the game, he's pretty shy and quiet, already making him a bit of a woobie. But then, [[spoiler: his [[spoiler:his mother is killed by a half-mechanical Drago that was ''acting against its own will'', and then his brother Claus goes missing trying to avenge her. His father goes nearly insane with grief, trying to find Claus every single day for ''three years''. [[FromBadToWorse But that's not it]]. After three years, the hometown he loved has now been developed into a modern city, and eventually is completely abandoned. Then, after learning that everything he knew about his beloved hometown is a lie, he learns that the mysterious Pigmask commander is Claus, who is now a BrainwashedAndCrazy cyborg. Then comes a tragic IKnowYoureInThereSomewhereFight, which ends with Claus [[DiedInYourArmsTonight dying in Lucas' arms]], [[DyingAsYourself after returning to his senses]].]]
8th Oct '17 5:35:13 PM Ninplanet123
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** [[spoiler:Claus' reasons for killing himself in the final battle. Was it [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone out of remorse for his actions]]? Or did he do it because [[ICannotSelfTerminate Porky's control over him was so strong that the only way to be free was through death]]?]]

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** [[spoiler:Claus' [[spoiler:Claus's reasons for killing himself in the final battle. Was battle have been the subject of debate for years. Did he do it [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone out of remorse for his actions]]? Or did he do it because [[ICannotSelfTerminate was [[IDieFree Porky's control over him was so strong that the only way for him to be free was through death]]?]]
10th Jul '17 1:39:04 PM ninjacreeper48
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** MOTHER 3, when compared to its [[VideoGame/EarthboundBeginnings two]] [[VideoGame/{{Earthbound}} predecessors]], is a lot more overtly [[TrueArtIsAngsty tragic]]. From the very start, Hinawa is KilledOffForReal, Claus disappears in his attempt to avenge her [[spoiler: becoming the Masked Man in the process]], and Flint becomes obsessed with searching for him, [[ParentalNeglect resulting in his neglect of Lucas]]. Not even the revelation that Fassad [[spoiler: who is actually Locria, the last Magypsy]] took care of a mouse in his home holds any weight, as he not only tried to [[WouldHurtAChild kill the heroes on multiple occasions]], but he gleefully (and repeatedly) [[KickTheDog zapped Salsa with a shock collar]]. Combine that with the townspeople being {{Brainwashed}} by the [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Pigmasks]], the Masked Man being DrivenToSuicide [[spoiler: while being forced to fight his twin brother]], the {{Big Bad}}'s ultimate motive [[spoiler: ([[ItAmusedMe Porky was bored]])]], and an openly AmbiguousEnding, and it can be hard to feel like it's worth playing this game.

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** MOTHER Mother 3, when compared to its [[VideoGame/EarthboundBeginnings two]] [[VideoGame/{{Earthbound}} predecessors]], is a lot more overtly [[TrueArtIsAngsty tragic]]. From the very start, Hinawa is KilledOffForReal, Claus disappears in his attempt to avenge her [[spoiler: becoming the Masked Man in the process]], and Flint becomes obsessed with searching for him, [[ParentalNeglect resulting in his neglect of Lucas]]. Not even the revelation that Fassad [[spoiler: who is actually Locria, the last Magypsy]] took care of a mouse in his home holds any weight, as he not only tried to [[WouldHurtAChild kill the heroes on multiple occasions]], but he gleefully (and repeatedly) [[KickTheDog zapped Salsa with a shock collar]]. Combine that with the townspeople being {{Brainwashed}} by the [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Pigmasks]], the Masked Man being DrivenToSuicide [[spoiler: while being forced to fight his twin brother]], the {{Big Bad}}'s ultimate motive [[spoiler: ([[ItAmusedMe Porky was bored]])]], and an openly AmbiguousEnding, and it can be hard to feel like it's worth playing this game.
10th Jul '17 1:38:10 PM ninjacreeper48
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** MOTHER 3, when compared to its [[VideoGame/EarthboundBeginnings two]] [[VideoGame/{{Earthbound}} predecessors]], is a lot more overtly [[TrueArtIsAngsty tragic]]. From the very start, Hinawa is KilledOffForReal, Claus disappears in his attempt to avenge her [[spoiler: becoming the Masked Man in the process]], and Flint becomes obsessed with searching for him, [[ParentalNeglect resulting in his neglect of Lucas]]. Not even the revelation that Fassad [[spoiler: who is actually Locria, the last Magypsy]] took care of a mouse in his home holds any weight, as he not only tried to [[WouldHurtAChild kill the heroes on multiple occasions]], but he gleefully (and repeatedly) [[KickTheDog zapped Salsa with a shock collar]]. Combine that with the townspeople being {{Brainwashed}} by the [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Pigmasks]], the Masked Man being DrivenToSuicide [[spoiler: while being forced to fight his twin brother]], the {{Big Bad}}'s ultimate motive [[spoiler: ([[ItAmusedMe Porky was bored]])]], and an openly AmbiguousEnding, and it can be hard to feel like it's worth playing this game.
26th Jun '17 3:54:40 PM DocJamore
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* WriterCopOut: Some players may think this way about the ending. However, as Shigesato Itoi said, everything is drenched in FridgeBrilliance.
9th Jun '17 9:05:57 PM nombretomado
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** This may have affected the game's stance in future material. Lucas ended up being DemotedToExtra as a trophy in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros for 3DS/WiiU'', alongside the other ''Mother 3'' trophies that managed to return from ''Brawl''. Most of the rest of the series' representation in that game is only focused on the first two games. Lucas eventually did get to return to Smash 4 as DLC with the primary focus of it being advertised to the western fanbase, but whether this means MOTHER 3 might get some more recognition by Nintendo in the US, though, is currently unknown.

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** This may have affected the game's stance in future material. Lucas ended up being DemotedToExtra as a trophy in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros for 3DS/WiiU'', 3DS/[=WiiU=]'', alongside the other ''Mother 3'' trophies that managed to return from ''Brawl''. Most of the rest of the series' representation in that game is only focused on the first two games. Lucas eventually did get to return to Smash 4 as DLC with the primary focus of it being advertised to the western fanbase, but whether this means MOTHER 3 might get some more recognition by Nintendo in the US, though, is currently unknown.



* EpilepticTrees: Abbot explaining Abbey's injury as having been caused by a Flying Mouse and her seemingly denying it ("There was no bizarre creature. It didnít fly. It wasnít mousey. It wasnít buggy. It didnít bite me.") led some fans to believe that there was domestic abuse going on in their relationship. A later version of the fan translation revised the wording so that it no longer sounded like a SuspiciouslySpecificDenial.

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* EpilepticTrees: Abbot explaining Abbey's injury as having been caused by a Flying Mouse and her seemingly denying it ("There was no bizarre creature. It didnít fly. It wasnít wasn’t mousey. It wasnít buggy. It didnít bite me.") led some fans to believe that there was domestic abuse going on in their relationship. A later version of the fan translation revised the wording so that it no longer sounded like a SuspiciouslySpecificDenial.
28th Apr '17 1:28:58 AM GastonRabbit
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** :|Welcome to th :| [[labelnote:Explanation]]During the development of the fan translation, one attempt to get the game to display "Welcome to the world of Mother 3!" produced "Welcome to th :|" instead, resulting in a meme among people following the translation's development.[[/labelnote]]
1st Mar '17 8:53:32 PM nombretomado
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** The Ultimate Chimera itself is considered one. Heck, it even has its own [[GarrysMod GMod]] game mode. With Pigmasks!

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** The Ultimate Chimera itself is considered one. Heck, it even has its own [[GarrysMod [[VideoGame/GarrysMod GMod]] game mode. With Pigmasks!
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