History YMMV / LyricalNanoha

*** ''VideoGame/TheBattleOfAces'' was generally well-received for shifting the focus back to the ''[[NanohaAs A's]]'' characters and the introduced {{Evil Twin}}s of the main characters became popular enough to be included in the sequel, but even most of its fans admit that it was mediocre in terms of gameplay.

** The ''VideoGame/BattleOfAces'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZon30nfPCo&playnext=1&list=PL6205F0B5C4F86CF4 instrumental arrange of "Eternal Blaze"]] - the opening theme for ''A's''.

*** Previews and Info started showing up for the Second Movie base on A's. People are already complaining about the changes such as replacing [[spoiler: Nanoha and Fate's reunion from {{Big Damn Heroes}} to Hugging, Removing Yuuno from battle, and most likely be replace by Lindy. And Removing the Liese twin altogether.]] Some fans are saying "Please let this be good." others are thinking "It cannot be as good as the original TV Series. How worst can it get?"

** BloodKnight / HeroicSociopath: Nanoha's in-story enthusiasm for magical combat tends to be exaggerated into outright bloodthirstiness by fans. All the "White Devil" [[http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4813/nanoha2.jpg fanart]] where Nanoha is drawn as an AxCrazy StepfordSmiler and MemeticMolester of Fate.

* AudienceAlienatingPremise: It's a MagicalGirl series aimed at young adult men, but the cutesy imagery can be a turnoff for Western audiences that don't look beneath the surface to the action series within.

* AudienceAlienatingPremise: For Western audiences, the cutesy imagery can be a turnoff for adult men that don't look beyond to the action series within.

!!![=YMMVs=] for the franchise as a whole: [-(for specific ones go to the corresponding season's YMMV page)-]
* BrokenBase: With the exception of ''[[NanohaAs A's]]'', which is considered an EvenBetterSequel, pretty much any other entry into the main continuity has left the fandom polarised. It doesn't help that the author is constantly tinkering with the established formula in very unsubtle ways.
** ''Anime/StrikerS'' caught flak for having a 10 year timeskip, thus losing most of the lolis. It moved the setting away from Earth and shifted focus from the previous main characters, ([[DemotedToExtra demoting several to extras]] in the process), to a bunch of rookies and a ''lot'' more non-essential background characters. The Numbers cyborgs probably got the most heated debates among the fandom as to whether they were credible antagonists compared to the very powerful rivals from seasons one and two. They were also not as well-developed as previous antagonists, probably because there were so many of them. The third season was twice as long as previous seasons, but rather than using that extra time to develop its enormously expanded cast ''or'' give screentime to those characters inexplicably shoved out of the picture, the writers instead devoted most of the episodes to training the newbies and discussing military policies.
** ''SoundStageX'' was basically a continuation of ''Anime/StrikerS''... with no characters introduced before that season making any appearances. People who were not fans of the new characters did not take it well.
** ''Manga/ViVid'' was the first installment to shift from anime to manga, and a monthly one at that, so it already had a strike against it before it even started. Then it turned out it was a LighterAndSofter take on the series with [[EverythingsBetterWithPlushies plushy devices]], no interdimensional incidents, MagicalGirl tropes ''played straight'' and more lolis (and loli fanservice) than ever. It actually reads more like a shonen series with magical girls... and no antagonist so far. People who liked the changes in ''[=StrikerS=]'' were disappointed, but in Japan where {{moe}} is the law it's the most successful entry in the franchise yet.
** And then there's ''[[NanohaForce Force]]''. If ''Anime/StrikerS'' broke the base, than ''Force'' Starlight Breakered what was left of it. Running concurrently with ''Manga/ViVid'', it went completely the other way, all but ensuring that fans of one series hated the other and vice versa. It dropped most magical girl tropes altogether, introduced a bunch of new characters yet again, including an angsty ''male'' lead, which was the last thing anyone expected. It only keeps getting DarkerAndEdgier - innocent people are dying in bloody ways, antagonists are killing indiscriminately for fun, fan-favourite characters are being {{curb stomp|Battle}}ed left and right with powers that seem more than [[StoryBreakerPower a little broken]] and the [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=503564 weapons]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=473048 and]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=534857 armor]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=465206 designs]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=455604 are]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=442117 now]] approaching ''{{Warhammer 40000}}'' levels of batshit insane. People think it's either the most [[SoCoolItsAwesome awesome thing ever]] or a DorkAge that [[FanonDiscontinuity never happened]].
** All of this is just from the main series. If we add the alternate continuities, we can also mention:
*** The movie, which was accused by some of being an unoriginal rehash of season one with half the plot and twice the explosions and cutting out pretty much anyone that wasn't Nanoha, Fate or Precia. Others liked it for [[AdaptationDistillation exactly the same reasons]].
*** The movie manga, which later turned out to have little to do with the movie and more in common with the light novel. It was widely decried for the perceived change in character of Nanoha (or Emoha as this version is known to the western fans) and generally trying to be too dramatic with the brutal fight scene between Nanoha and Fate that lasted for most of the second volume. And despite being an AlternateUniverse that changed many things along the way, it still ended the exact same way as the original anime and the movie, leaving many to wonder what the point of it was.
*** The ''FateStayNight'' crossover, which disappointed people who were expecting something serious and longer than a one-shot.
*** ''VideoGame/TheBattleOfAces'' was generally well-received for shifting the focus back to the ''[[NanohaAs A's]]'' characters and the introduced {{Evil Twin}}s of the main characters became popular enough to be included in the sequel, but even most of its fans admit that it was mediocre in terms of gameplay.
*** The Sequel to the above game ''VideoGame/TheGearsofDestiny'' almost broke this trend. The game have a stronger AI, great amount of playable characters, and a good story with good character development. [[spoiler:However the Manga cast contribute next to nothing to the overall main story, and the ending used Laser-Guided Amnesia to preserve the timeline. But how could this preserve the timeline when the two Timetravelers took four people from the current time era with them? It feels like they are trying to invoke ''InSpiteofaNail'' to make this timeline completely similar to the main one. It left the feeling of The movie manga all over again.]]
* CargoShip:
** Raising Heart/Bardiche. They've had {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s in fanon even before ''[[NanohaAs A's]]'' introduced the ridiculously human programs and the concept of unison devices.
** [[http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/SHxA_9930.jpg Sacred Heart/Asteion.]]
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome:
** The insert songs from the first three seasons [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQVDGv6WTXo "Take A Shot",]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsMh0tdgw8M "Brave Phoenix"]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df8mShEH0CE "Pray".]] They all herald Fate's definitive moments for the season and are all sang by her VA appropriately enough.
** Hayate's theme [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI1YjU8-jKw&feature=related "Snow Rain".]] It sounds like a gentle lullaby, yet has a kind of majestic beauty to it, especially when those violins kick in.
** The ''VideoGame/BattleOfAces'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZon30nfPCo&playnext=1&list=PL6205F0B5C4F86CF4 instrumental arrange of "Eternal Blaze"]] - the opening theme for ''A's''.
* HilariousInHindsight: Would you believe [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_RBghAfiW8 this]] was the prototype for the series. If you've watched the show for any length of time, the sight of Nanoha waving around that puny heart-shaped wand alone will be enough to make you crack up.
* JustHereForGodzilla: Subverted. Before the first season's GrowingTheBeard moment, viewers were expected to just be there to see cute little Nanoha from ''TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever'' in a strange alternate universe. They were quickly disproven when ''Nanoha'' got more viewers than the ''Triangle Heart 3'' OVA. Ever since ''Nanoha'' became the perfect example of MorePopularSpinoff, to the point where anyone looking for ''Triangle Heart 3'' is probably just there to see Nanoha in a strange alternate universe.
* MemeticMutation / {{Fanon}}:
** BloodKnight / HeroicSociopath: Nanoha's in-story enthusiasm for magical combat tends to be exaggerated into outright bloodthirstiness by fans. All the "White Devil" [[http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4813/nanoha2.jpg fanart]] where Nanoha is drawn as an AxCrazy StepfordSmiler and MemeticMolester of Fate.
** CuteAndPsycho: Due to her whole DefeatMeansFriendship shtick, MemeticMutation has resulted in Nanoha being turned into this.
** "Befriend" as a euphemism for "beat the living crap out of".
* MorePopularSpinoff: Of ''TriangleHeart''.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: YUUNO. In a series so focused on how the ancient civilizations and technologies of the past are enormously impacting upon the present day, having an archeologist, scholar and librarian of ancient knowledge in the cast would seem like a great idea. If nothing else, Yuuno could have continued his roll as MrExposition in ''Anime/StrikerS'', ''SoundStageX'', ''[[NanohaViVid ViVid]]'' and ''[[NanohaForce Force]]'', considering that no one would be better qualified to explain about the Belkan Reunification War, the Sankt Kaiser dynasty, the Saint's Cradle, the Hegemon Klaus and his relationship with Olivie, Queen Ixpelia and the Mariage, and perhaps even the Bible of the Silver Cross and its Eclipse Virus.
* ValuesDissonance: The TSAB makes ample use of grade-school children as [[strike: soldiers]] police officers. This is somewhat mitigated by the fact that ''every single child to ever appear in the series'' is WiseBeyondTheirYears and [[RedShirtArmy the vast majority of the TSAB's mages]] are adults, but it still rubs some people the wrong way.
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*** The Sequel to the above game The Gears of Destiny almost broke this trend. The game have a stronger AI, great amount of playable characters, and a good story with good character development. [[spoiler:However the Manga cast contribute next to nothing to the overall main story, and the ending used Laser-Guided Amnesia to preserve the timeline. But how could this preserve the timeline when the two Timetravelers took four people from the current time era with them? It feels like they are trying to invoke ''InSpiteofaNail'' to make this timeline completely similar to the main one. It left the feeling of The movie manga all over again.]]

*** The Sequel to the above game The Gears of Destiny almost broke this trend. The game have a stronger AI, great amount of playable characters, and a good story with good character development. [[spoiler:However the Manga cast contribute next to nothing to the overall main story, and the ending used Laser-Guided Amnesia to preserve the timeline. But how could this preserve the timeline when the two Timetravelers took 4 people from the current time era with them? It feels like they are trying to use InSpiteofaNail to make this timeline completely similar to the main one. It left the feeling of The movie manga all over again.]]

*** ''VideoGame/TheBattleOfAces'' was generally well-received for shifting the focus back to the ''[[NanohaAs A's]]'' characters and the introduced {{Evil Twin}}s of the main characters became popular enough to be included in the sequel, but even most of its fans admit that it was mediocre in terms of gameplay.

* BetterThanItSounds: Try explaining this series to someone as a recommendation. Most will be put off by the MagicalGirl aspect already. Even naming the series without the words "Magical Girl" still leaves the word "Lyrical", which doesn't exactly bring people-Gundams to mind.

** {{Yangire}}: Due to her whole DefeatMeansFriendship shtick, MemeticMutation has resulted in Nanoha being turned into this.

** ''StrikerS'' caught flak for having a 10 year timeskip, thus losing most of the lolis. It moved the setting away from Earth and shifted focus from the previous main characters, ([[DemotedToExtra demoting several to extras]] in the process), to a bunch of rookies and a ''lot'' more non-essential background characters. The Numbers cyborgs probably got the most heated debates among the fandom as to whether they were credible antagonists compared to the very powerful rivals from seasons one and two. They were also not as well-developed as previous antagonists, probably because there were so many of them. The third season was twice as long as previous seasons, but rather than using that extra time to develop its enormously expanded cast ''or'' give screentime to those characters inexplicably shoved out of the picture, the writers instead devoted most of the episodes to training the newbies and discussing military policies.
** ''SoundStageX'' was basically a continuation of ''StrikerS''... with no characters introduced before that season making any appearances. People who were not fans of the new characters did not take it well.

** And then there's ''[[NanohaForce Force]]''. If ''StrikerS'' broke the base, than ''Force'' Starlight Breakered what was left of it. Running concurrently with ''Manga/ViVid'', it went completely the other way, all but ensuring that fans of one series hated the other and vice versa. It dropped most magical girl tropes altogether, introduced a bunch of new characters yet again, including an angsty ''male'' lead, which was the last thing anyone expected. It only keeps getting DarkerAndEdgier - innocent people are dying in bloody ways, antagonists are killing indiscriminately for fun, fan-favourite characters are being {{curb stomp|Battle}}ed left and right with powers that seem more than [[StoryBreakerPower a little broken]] and the [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=503564 weapons]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=473048 and]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=534857 armor]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=465206 designs]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=455604 are]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=442117 now]] approaching ''{{Warhammer 40000}}'' levels of batshit insane. People think it's either the most [[SoCoolItsAwesome awesome thing ever]] or a DorkAge that [[FanonDiscontinuity never happened]].

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: YUUNO. In a series so focused on how the ancient civilizations and technologies of the past are enormously impacting upon the present day, having an archeologist, scholar and librarian of ancient knowledge in the cast would seem like a great idea. If nothing else, Yuuno could have continued his roll as MrExposition in ''StrikerS'', ''SoundStageX'', ''[[NanohaViVid ViVid]]'' and ''[[NanohaForce Force]]'', considering that no one would be better qualified to explain about the Belkan Reunification War, the Sankt Kaiser dynasty, the Saint's Cradle, the Hegemon Klaus and his relationship with Olivie, Queen Ixpelia and the Mariage, and perhaps even the Bible of the Silver Cross and its Eclipse Virus.

*** The movie manga, which later turned out to have little to do with the movie and more in common with the light novel. It was widely decried for the perceived CharacterDerailment of Nanoha (or Emoha as this version is known to the western fans) and generally trying to be too dramatic with the brutal fight scene between Nanoha and Fate that lasted for most of the second volume. And despite being an AlternateUniverse that changed many things along the way, it still ended the exact same way as the original anime and the movie, leaving many to wonder what the point of it was.

*** ''Game/TheBattleOfAces'' was generally well-received for shifting the focus back to the ''[[NanohaAs A's]]'' characters and the introduced {{Evil Twin}}s of the main characters became popular enough to be included in the sequel, but even most of its fans admit that it was mediocre in terms of gameplay.

** The ''Game/BattleOfAces'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZon30nfPCo&playnext=1&list=PL6205F0B5C4F86CF4 instrumental arrange of "Eternal Blaze"]] - the opening theme for ''A's''.

** ''ViVid'' was the first installment to shift from anime to manga, and a monthly one at that, so it already had a strike against it before it even started. Then it turned out it was a LighterAndSofter take on the series with [[EverythingsBetterWithPlushies plushy devices]], no interdimensional incidents, MagicalGirl tropes ''played straight'' and more lolis (and loli fanservice) than ever. It actually reads more like a shonen series with magical girls... and no antagonist so far. People who liked the changes in ''[=StrikerS=]'' were disappointed, but in Japan where {{moe}} is the law it's the most successful entry in the franchise yet.
** And then there's ''[[NanohaForce Force]]''. If ''StrikerS'' broke the base, than ''Force'' Starlight Breakered what was left of it. Running concurrently with ''ViVid'', it went completely the other way, all but ensuring that fans of one series hated the other and vice versa. It dropped most magical girl tropes altogether, introduced a bunch of new characters yet again, including an angsty ''male'' lead, which was the last thing anyone expected. It only keeps getting DarkerAndEdgier - innocent people are dying in bloody ways, antagonists are killing indiscriminately for fun, fan-favourite characters are being {{curb stomp|Battle}}ed left and right with powers that seem more than [[StoryBreakerPower a little broken]] and the [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=503564 weapons]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=473048 and]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=534857 armor]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=465206 designs]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=455604 are]] [[http://safebooru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=442117 now]] approaching ''{{Warhammer 40000}}'' levels of batshit insane. People think it's either the most [[SoCoolItsAwesome awesome thing ever]] or a DorkAge that [[FanonDiscontinuity never happened]].

* {{Narm}}: The GratuitousEnglish the Devices use isn't always appropriate in dramatic moments, especially when they speak more than a single phrase or attack name.

* ValuesDissonance: The TSAB makes ample use of grade-school children as [[strike: soldiers]] police officers. This is somewhat mitigated by the fact that ''every single child to ever appear in the series'' is WiseBeyondTheirYears and [[RedShirtArmy the vast majority of the TSAB's mages]] are adults, but it still rubs some people the wrong way.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: YUUNO. In a series so focused on how the ancient civilizations and technologies of the past are enormously impacting upon the present day, having an archeologist, scholar and librarian of ancient knowledge in the cast would seem like a great idea. If nothing else, Yuuno could have continued his roll as MrExposition in ''StrikerS'', ''SoundStageX'', ''ViVid'' and ''[[NanohaForce Force]]'', considering that no one would be better qualified to explain about the Belkan Reunification War, the Sankt Kaiser dynasty, the Saint's Cradle, the Hegemon Klaus and his relationship with Olivie, Queen Ixpelia and the Mariage, and perhaps even the Bible of the Silver Cross and its Eclipse Virus.

*** ''Game/TheBattleOfAces'' was generally well-received for shifting the focus back to the ''{{As}}'' characters and the introduced {{Evil Twin}}s of the main characters became popular enough to be included in the sequel, but even most of its fans admit that it was mediocre in terms of gameplay.

** Raising Heart/Bardiche. They've had {{Anthropomorphic Personification}}s in fanon even before ''{{As}}'' introduced the ridiculously human programs and the concept of unison devices.

** ''StrikerS'' caught flak for having a 10 year timeskip, thus losing most of the lolis. It moved the setting away from Earth and shifted focus from the previous main characters, ([[DemotedToExtra demoting several to extras]] in the process), to a bunch of rookies and a ''lot'' more non-essential background characters. The Numbers cyborgs probably got the most heated debates among the fandom as to whether they were credible antagonists compared to the very powerful rivals from seasons one and two; they were also not as well-developed as previous antagonists, which wasn't help by the fact that there were more than a dozen of them, including Scaglietti, Regiz, Regiz's daughter, Zest, Lutecia, and the three brains. The third season was twice as long as previous seasons, but rather than using that extra time to develop its enormously expanded cast ''or'' give screentime to those characters inexplicably shoved out of the picture, the writers instead devoted most of the episodes to training the newbies and discussing military policies.

** ''ViVid'' was the first installment to shift from anime to manga, and a monthly one at that, so it already had a strike against it before it even started. Then it turned out it was a LighterAndSofter take on the series with [[EverythingsBetterWithPlushies plushy devices]], no interdimensional incidents, MagicalGirl tropes ''played straight'' and more lolis than ever. It actually reads more like a shonen series with magical girls... and no antagonist so far. People who liked the changes in ''[=StrikerS=]'' were disappointed, but in Japan where {{moe}} is the law it's the most successful entry in the franchise yet.

** Raising Heart/Bardiche.

** The insert songs from the first three seasons [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQVDGv6WTXo "Take A Shot",]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsMh0tdgw8M "Brave Phoenix"]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df8mShEH0CE "Pray"]]. They all herald Fate's definitive moments for the season and are all sang by her VA appropriately enough.

* PeripheryHatedom: To haters of all things {{moe}}, this show has a big bright target painted on it. [[AnimeNewsNetwork Carl Kimlinger, I'm looking at you.]]

** ''[=ViVid=]'' was the first installment to shift from anime to manga, and a monthly one at that, so it already had a strike against it before it even started. Then it turned out it was a LighterAndSofter take on the series with [[EverythingsBetterWithPlushies plushy devices]], no interdimensional incidents, MagicalGirl tropes ''played straight'' and more lolis than ever. It actually reads more like a shonen series with magical girls... and no antagonist so far. People who liked the changes in ''[=StrikerS=]'' were disappointed, but in Japan where {{moe}} is the law it's the most successful entry in the franchise yet.

* BetterThanItSounds: Try explaining this series to someone as a recommendation. Most will be put off by the MagicalGirl aspect already.

** ''StrikerS'' caught flak for having a 10 year timeskip, thus losing most of the lolis. It moved the setting away from Earth and shifted focus from the previous main characters, ([[DemotedToExtra demoting several to extras]] in the process), to a bunch of rookies and a ''lot'' more non-essential background characters. The Numbers cyborgs probably got the most heated debates among the fandom as to whether they were credible antagonists compared to the very powerful rivals from seasons one and two; they were also not as well-developed as previous antagonists, which wasn't help by the fact that there were more than a dozen of them, including Scaglietti, Regiz, Regiz's daughter, Zest, Lutecia, and the three brains. The third season was TWICE as long as previous seasons, but rather than using all of that extra time to develop its enormously expanded cast or give screentime to those characters inexplicably shoved out of the picture, the writers instead devoted most of the episodes to training the newbies and discussing military policies.

** ''ViVid'' was the first instalment to shift from anime to manga, and a monthly one at that, so it already had a strike against it before it even started. Then it turned out it was a LighterAndSofter take on the series with [[EverythingsBetterWithPlushies plushy devices]], no interdimensional incidents, MagicalGirl tropes ''played straight'' and more lolis than ever. It actually reads more like a shonen series with magical girls... and no antagonist so far. People who liked the changes in ''[=StrikerS=]'' were disappointed, but in Japan where {{moe}} is the law it's the most successful entry in the franchise yet.

** ''StrikerS'' caught flak for having a 10 year timeskip, thus losing most of the lolis. It moved the setting away from Earth and shifted focus from the previous main characters, ([[DemotedToExtra demoting several to extras]] in the process), to a bunch of rookies. It was also twice as long as previous seasons, with a lot of screen time devoted to training and discussions of military policies. The Numbers cyborgs probably got the most heated debates as to whether they were credible antagonists compared to the very powerful (and better developed) rivals from seasons one and two.

* CargoShip: Raising Heart/Bardiche.

* ValuesDissonance: The TSAB makes ample use of grade-school children as [[strike: soldiers]] police officers. This is somewhat mitigated by the fact that ''every single child to ever appear in the series'' is WiseBeyondTheirYears and [[RedShirtArmy the vast majority of the TSAB's mages]] are adults, but it still rubs some people the wrong way.
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!!![=YMMVs=] introduced by the video games:
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: When ''Game/GearsOfDestiny'' revealed the official names for the Materials, there was RAEG.
* MissedMomentOfAwesome: None of the characters needed to unlock Material-L in ''Game/TheBattleOfAces'' get to fight her in their story modes. Not even an original vs. EvilTwin fight for Fate.
* ThatOneAttack:
** Hayate's BeamSpam in ''Game/BattleOfAces''.
** Vita's Swallow Flier from the same game.