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** Most gamers figure out that Nall is dragon ''long'' before it's actually revealed. In fact many online character guides, including the one here on TV Tropes, don't bother hiding it. And for people who haven't played the game yet, it's practically a case of ItWasHisSled.

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** Most gamers figure out that Nall is a dragon ''long'' before it's actually revealed. In fact many online character guides, including the one here on TV Tropes, don't bother hiding it. And for people who haven't played the game yet, it's practically a case of ItWasHisSled.

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* CaptainObviousReveal: The game doesn't even ''try'' to make Luna's real origins a secret. This hits a whole new level with the PSP version's entirely new prologue scene that highlighted the Four Heroes and Althena stopping the previous world-threatening entity [[spoiler: where Althena strongly hints towards a HeroicSacrifice that ultimately causes her reincarnation, sings ''the exact same song'' that Luna does ten minutes later, and Ghaleon is even given a damn TraitorShot in finishing off Eiphel just to foreshadow his BigBad role]]; meanwhile every other version of the game just skips to Alex at Dyne's memorial and leave the player to discover these reveals far, far, ''far'' later.

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The game doesn't even ''try'' to make Luna's real origins a secret. This hits a whole new level with the PSP version's entirely new prologue scene that highlighted the Four Heroes and Althena stopping the previous world-threatening entity [[spoiler: where Althena strongly hints towards a HeroicSacrifice that ultimately causes her reincarnation, sings ''the exact same song'' that Luna does ten minutes later, and Ghaleon is even given a damn TraitorShot in finishing off Eiphel just to foreshadow his BigBad role]]; meanwhile every other version of the game just skips to Alex at Dyne's memorial and leave the player to discover these reveals far, far, ''far'' later.
** Most gamers figure out that Nall is dragon ''long'' before it's actually revealed. In fact many online character guides, including the one here on TV Tropes, don't bother hiding it. And for people who haven't played the game yet, it's practically a case of ItWasHisSled.
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* AccidentalInnuendo: One of the women who works in Ramus' store has this to say to Alex:
-->"I hope my service is good enough to make you come again and again!"
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** In the scene that reveals Nash's status as a mole, and uses his magic to destroy the air ship, his battle line "Check this out!" plays, which sounds out of place for a scene meant to be shocking and serious.
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* SequelDifficultyDrop: Harmony is significantly easier the previous versions of the game, due to rebalanced stats for the characters and enemies, the presence of Limit Breaks, and characters receiving a free full heal every time they level up.
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* NightmareFuel: When Alex's party first encounter Luna after she's long been abducted, and is being mind-controlled, she is presented with very pale eyes, and she has a very unnatural stare, and a very blank expression which looks rather unsettling.

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* {{Narm}}: The entire ActionPrologue for ''Silver Star Harmony'' is such an unabashed ClicheStorm that lays out ''all of the major twists of the game'' that veteran fans can't help but be baffled by its inclusion. The fact that every other JRPG in the span of 1992 to 2005 managed to shift the genre enough that each of the Four Heroes' personalities and attributes were only contributing to the immense anime cheese of the sequence doesn't help.

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The entire ActionPrologue for ''Silver Star Harmony'' is such an unabashed ClicheStorm that lays out ''all of the major twists of the game'' that veteran fans can't help but be baffled by its inclusion. The fact that every other JRPG in the span of 1992 to 2005 managed to shift the genre enough that each of the Four Heroes' personalities and attributes were only contributing to the immense anime cheese of the sequence doesn't help.help.
** [[https://clips.twitch.tv/SnappyFrozenTofuUWot-Q55kS3I43lLJnE6c This moment]] shortly after Alex and co. meet Tempest and Fresca, and are informed that a friend of their's was abducted. Nall informs them that Alex's friend Luna was abducted too, but the game developers had Nall say this with his happy/excited expression, as opposed to his sad look which would have been more appropriate. It makes it seem like he's excited that they share something in common with Tempest and Fresca.
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* EvilIsSexy: Oh, yes. Xenobia is all about this. [[spoiler:Luna gets this treatment, too, and in the remakes Royce and Phacia join in.]] Also, [[spoiler:Ghaleon.]]

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* {{Narm}}: The entire ActionPrologue for ''Silver Star Harmony'' is such an unabashed ClicheStorm that lays out ''all of the major twists of the game'' that veteran fans can't help but be baffled by its inclusion. The fact that every other JRPG in the span of 1992 to 2005 managed to [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny shift the genre enough]] that each of the Four Heroes' personalities and attributes were only contributing to the immense anime cheese of the sequence doesn't help.

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* {{Narm}}: The entire ActionPrologue for ''Silver Star Harmony'' is such an unabashed ClicheStorm that lays out ''all of the major twists of the game'' that veteran fans can't help but be baffled by its inclusion. The fact that every other JRPG in the span of 1992 to 2005 managed to [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny shift the genre enough]] enough that each of the Four Heroes' personalities and attributes were only contributing to the immense anime cheese of the sequence doesn't help.



* OnceOriginalNowCommon: The story and its twists also aren't helped by the industry shifting. Back in 1992 or '98, [[spoiler:Ghaleon]] being the evil BigBad was a big twist, and it was novel for the time because gaming just wasn't used to seeing such a thing. If you looked at that reveal nowadays, [[spoiler:Ghaleon]] is so ObviouslyEvil ''because'' his very physical attributes became a common standard for villains to use, even having tropes on this very site, that PopCultureOsmosis doesn't even have to [[ItWasHisSled reveal the twist]]; the average player will see it from a mile away.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny:
** It can be rather hard to appreciate Lunar as a whole given how it was actually ''quite'' different back in the day. As it was described by LetsPlay/HCBailly in his LetsPlay of the UsefulNotes/PlayStation version:
---> "This was ''high tech stuff'' back in the day!"
** The story and its twists also aren't helped by the industry shifting. Back in 1992 or '98, [[spoiler:Ghaleon]] being the evil BigBad was a big twist, and it was novel for the time because gaming just wasn't used to seeing such a thing. If you looked at that reveal nowadays, [[spoiler:Ghaleon]] is so ObviouslyEvil ''because'' his very physical attributes became a common standard for villains to use, even having tropes on this very site, that PopCultureOsmosis doesn't even have to [[ItWasHisSled reveal the twist]]; the average player will see it from a mile away.
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** The Black Dragon can be quite challenging. Especially since the battle occurs fairly late in the game, and all previous boss battles have been quite easy. There are no healers for this fight, and thus no way to heal everyone at once. It can be a struggle to keep everyone at full health one healing item at a time, all while trying to find a free turn to whittle down its generous HP. The black dragon always attacks twice in a row. ''Usually'' its first turn is a non-damaging Blowback, and the second turn is a powerful spell that hits all characters, but not always. It will also just attack two times in a row, leaving everyone critical and one or two characters dead, most likely. And it will frequently get its turn before the characters, which means if its turn came up last the previous round, and first this round, you could be facing four powerful all-character-hitting spells in a row, and certain death. You better hope that's not the case, as there was a fairly lengthy scene before the battle...

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** The Black Dragon can be quite challenging. Especially since the battle occurs fairly late in the game, and all previous boss battles have been quite easy. There are no healers for this fight, The only method of healing via magic is Blue Dragon Healing, but Alex is your main damage dealer and thus no way to heal everyone at once.the spell costs an arm and a leg, necessitating items. It can be a struggle to keep everyone at full health one healing item at a time, all while trying to find a free turn to whittle down its generous HP. The black dragon always attacks twice in a row. ''Usually'' its first turn is a non-damaging Blowback, and the second turn is a powerful spell that hits all characters, but not always. It will also just attack two times in a row, leaving everyone critical and one or two characters dead, most likely. And it will frequently get its turn before the characters, which means if its turn came up last the previous round, and first this round, you could be facing four powerful all-character-hitting spells in a row, and certain death. You better hope that's not the case, as there was a fairly lengthy scene before the battle...
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Alex's English voice actor in ''The Silver Star'' and ''Silver Star Story Complete'' is Ashley Parker Angel, who would become a famous singer and member of the boy band O-Town.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Alex's English voice actor in ''The Silver Star'' and ''Silver Star Story Complete'' is Ashley Parker Angel, who would later become a famous singer and member of the boy band O-Town.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Alex's English voice actor in ''Silver Star'' and ''Silver Star Story Complete'' is Ashley Parker Angel, who would become a famous singer and member of the boy band O-Town.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Alex's English voice actor in ''Silver ''The Silver Star'' and ''Silver Star Story Complete'' is Ashley Parker Angel, who would become a famous singer and member of the boy band O-Town.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Alex's English voice actor in ''Silver Star'' and ''Silver Star Story Complete''& is Ashley Parker Angel, who would become a famous singer and member of the boy band O-Town.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Alex's English voice actor in ''Silver Star'' and ''Silver Star Story Complete''& Complete'' is Ashley Parker Angel, who would become a famous singer and member of the boy band O-Town.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Alex's English voice actor in both the original version of ''Silver Star'' and its ''Complete'' re-release is Ashley Parker Angel, who would become a famous singer and member of the boy band O-Town.

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* RetroactiveRecognition: Alex's English voice actor in both the original version of ''Silver Star'' and its ''Complete'' re-release ''Silver Star Story Complete''& is Ashley Parker Angel, who would become a famous singer and member of the boy band O-Town.
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* RetroactiveRecognition: Alex's English voice actor in both the original version of ''Silver Star'' and its ''Complete'' re-release is Ashley Parker Angel, who would become a famous singer and member of the boy band O-Town.
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* ThatOneAttack: Huge Keeper in ''Harmony'', an attack used only by the final boss, deals a ''minimum'' of 1200 damage to the entire party. None of the playable characters even break ''300'' maximum HP. The boss telegraphs it with the spell Blast Loci, so you ''have'' to use Mist Barrier or White Dragon Protect on the next turn. If you ever ''do'' use Mist Barrier, though, the boss ''always'' casts Blast Loci on the last turn it's active; if Alex doesn't have enough MP for White Dragon Protect, sucks to be you.
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** The iOS version is more similar to the PS1 and Saturn versions, but it has multiple enhancements not seen in other versions. These include improved rendering (being just as, if not better than the Saturn version), widescreen support for non-iPad devices (iPads instead get the original 4:3 presentation as the screens are in 4:3), cloud saves, better quality cutscenes than even the PC port, dual-audio (Japanese or the PSP version's English dub), and multiple soundtracks (either the Saturn or PSP soundtracks). The only flaw is that some PSP features were not brought over, and that the original Working Designs translation is not available as an option due to ExecutiveMeddling.

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** The iOS version is more similar to the PS1 [=PS1=] and Saturn versions, but it has multiple enhancements not seen in other versions. These include improved rendering (being just as, if not better than the Saturn version), widescreen support for non-iPad devices (iPads instead get the original 4:3 presentation as the screens are in 4:3), cloud saves, better quality cutscenes than even the PC port, dual-audio (Japanese or the PSP version's English dub), and multiple soundtracks (either the Saturn or PSP soundtracks). The only flaw is that some PSP features were not brought over, and that the original Working Designs translation is not available as an option due to ExecutiveMeddling. And the port is also playable on Apple TV and Silicon Mac devices.
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* PolishedPort: While the localisation of the PSP version is controversial, the PSP version includes enhancements such as widescreen support, quality-of-life features, and an all-new exclusive prologue. Some changes may stray too far from the PS1 and Saturn versions, but it is still an interesting experience.

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* PolishedPort: While the localisation of the PSP version is controversial, the PSP version includes enhancements such as widescreen support, quality-of-life features, and an all-new exclusive prologue. Some changes may stray too far from the PS1 [=PS1=] and Saturn versions, but it is still an interesting experience.



** While not an absolute disaster, the PS1 version has some visual downgrades compared to the [[NoExportForYou Japan-only]] Sega Saturn version.
** The [[NoExportForYou Asia-only]] PC port has the best-quality cutscenes (until the release of the PSP and iOS versions), but it is a bug-riddled port with even more visual downgrades than the PS1 version and worse audio.

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** While not an absolute disaster, the PS1 [=PS1=] version has some visual downgrades compared to the [[NoExportForYou Japan-only]] Sega Saturn version.
** The [[NoExportForYou Asia-only]] PC port has the best-quality cutscenes (until the release of the PSP and iOS versions), but it is a bug-riddled port with even more visual downgrades than the PS1 [=PS1=] version and worse audio.
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** The iOS version is more similar to the PS1 and Saturn versions, but it has multiple enhancements not seen in other versions. These include improved rendering (being just as, if not better than the Saturn version), ultrawide support for certain iPhone models, cloud saves, better quality cutscenes than even the PC port, dual-audio (Japanese or the PSP version's English dub), and multiple soundtracks (either the Saturn or PSP soundtracks). The only flaw is that some PSP features were not brought over, and that the original Working Designs translation is not available as an option due to ExecutiveMeddling.

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** The iOS version is more similar to the PS1 and Saturn versions, but it has multiple enhancements not seen in other versions. These include improved rendering (being just as, if not better than the Saturn version), ultrawide widescreen support for certain iPhone models, non-iPad devices (iPads instead get the original 4:3 presentation as the screens are in 4:3), cloud saves, better quality cutscenes than even the PC port, dual-audio (Japanese or the PSP version's English dub), and multiple soundtracks (either the Saturn or PSP soundtracks). The only flaw is that some PSP features were not brought over, and that the original Working Designs translation is not available as an option due to ExecutiveMeddling.
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* PolishedPort: While the localisation of the PSP version is controversial, the PSP version includes enhancements such as widescreen support, quality-of-life features, and an all-new exclusive prologue. Some changes may stray too far from the PS1 and Saturn versions, but it is still an interesting experience.
** The iOS version is more similar to the PS1 and Saturn versions, but it has multiple enhancements not seen in other versions. These include improved rendering (being just as, if not better than the Saturn version), ultrawide support for certain iPhone models, cloud saves, better quality cutscenes than even the PC port, dual-audio (Japanese or the PSP version's English dub), and multiple soundtracks (either the Saturn or PSP soundtracks). The only flaw is that some PSP features were not brought over, and that the original Working Designs translation is not available as an option due to ExecutiveMeddling.


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** While not an absolute disaster, the PS1 version has some visual downgrades compared to the [[NoExportForYou Japan-only]] Sega Saturn version.
** The [[NoExportForYou Asia-only]] PC port has the best-quality cutscenes (until the release of the PSP and iOS versions), but it is a bug-riddled port with even more visual downgrades than the PS1 version and worse audio.
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--> "This was ''high tech stuff'' back in the day!"

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--> ---> "This was ''high tech stuff'' back in the day!"

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* {{Narm}}: The entire ActionPrologue for ''Silver Star Harmony'' is such an unabashed ClicheStorm that lays out ''all of the major twists of the game'' that veteran fans can't help but be baffled by its inclusion. The fact that every other JRPG in the span of 1992 to 2005 managed to [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny shift the genre enough]] that each of the Four Heroes' personalities and attributes were only contributing to the immense anime cheese of the sequence doesn't help.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It can be rather hard to appreciate Lunar as a whole given how it was actually ''quite'' different back in the day. As it was described by LetsPlay/HCBailly in his LetsPlay of the UsefulNotes/PlayStation version:

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: SeinfeldIsUnfunny:
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It can be rather hard to appreciate Lunar as a whole given how it was actually ''quite'' different back in the day. As it was described by LetsPlay/HCBailly in his LetsPlay of the UsefulNotes/PlayStation version:


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** The story and its twists also aren't helped by the industry shifting. Back in 1992 or '98, [[spoiler:Ghaleon]] being the evil BigBad was a big twist, and it was novel for the time because gaming just wasn't used to seeing such a thing. If you looked at that reveal nowadays, [[spoiler:Ghaleon]] is so ObviouslyEvil ''because'' his very physical attributes became a common standard for villains to use, even having tropes on this very site, that PopCultureOsmosis doesn't even have to [[ItWasHisSled reveal the twist]]; the average player will see it from a mile away.

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