History YMMV / LunarTheSilverStar

20th Jul '16 8:00:26 PM X2X
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** Was also the case to some degree with the PSX version since it changed several important plot points from the original UsefulNotes/SegaCD.

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** Was also the case to some degree with the PSX version since it changed several important plot points from the original UsefulNotes/SegaCD.[[UsefulNotes/SegaGenesis Sega CD]].
20th Jul '16 7:58:27 PM X2X
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** Was also the case to some degree with the PSX version since it changed several important plot points from the original UsefulNotes/Seg CD.

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** Was also the case to some degree with the PSX version since it changed several important plot points from the original UsefulNotes/Seg CD.UsefulNotes/SegaCD.
20th Jul '16 7:57:54 PM X2X
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Half of the fanbase attitude towards ''Lunar Legend''. The one for the PSP even more so thanks to there being a bunch of changed and/or new additions. People have gone so far as to judge the game by its demo ''alone.'' Others denounced the game the very moment they learned WorkingDesigns (or rather its members) weren't involved in the localisation. Especially nonsensical in ''Silver Star Harmony'''s case, considering XSeed used Working Design's script with a few alterations.
** Was also the case to some degree with the PSX version since it changed several important plot points from the original Sega CD.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Half of the fanbase attitude towards ''Lunar Legend''. The one for the PSP even more so thanks to there being a bunch of changed and/or new additions. People have gone so far as to judge the game by its demo ''alone.'' Others denounced the game the very moment they learned WorkingDesigns Creator/WorkingDesigns (or rather its members) weren't involved in the localisation. Especially nonsensical in ''Silver Star Harmony'''s case, considering XSeed Creator/{{XSEED|Games}} used Working Design's Designs's script with a few alterations.
** Was also the case to some degree with the PSX version since it changed several important plot points from the original Sega UsefulNotes/Seg CD.



** Also, as noted in BrokenBase above, fans of the PSX version weren't very pleased with the more-accurate translation used in the PSP version of "Wind's Nocturne," even though Creator/{{XSEED|Games}} actually got Jennifer Stingle (the ''original'' singer in the PSX version) to come back and record the song. Common complaints often include how some lines of the lyrics has too many syllables that it doesn't fit in the song, and how the mood of the moment is ruined outright just by the change.

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** Also, as noted in BrokenBase above, fans of the PSX version weren't very pleased with the more-accurate translation used in the PSP version of "Wind's Nocturne," even though Creator/{{XSEED|Games}} XSEED actually got Jennifer Stingle (the ''original'' singer in the PSX version) to come back and record the song. Common complaints often include how some lines of the lyrics has too many syllables that it doesn't fit in the song, and how the mood of the moment is ruined outright just by the change.



* {{Woolseyism}}: Creator/WorkingDesigns did a somewhat liberal translation job of the series when they released it in the West, which included adding in a series of pop culture references and various other bits of humour. Needless to say, [[BrokenBase whether or not this was better than a more faithful translation is an oft-discussed topic in the fandom]].

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* {{Woolseyism}}: Creator/WorkingDesigns Working Designs did a somewhat liberal translation job of the series when they released it in the West, which included adding in a series of pop culture references and various other bits of humour. Needless to say, [[BrokenBase whether or not this was better than a more faithful translation is an oft-discussed topic in the fandom]].
20th Jul '16 7:47:07 PM X2X
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* MagnificentBastard: Ghaleon
* MemeticMutation: The internet-famous ''Shii's Song'' is a pitch-shifted version of ''Wind's Nocturne''. Likewise, ''Longcat's Song'' is a SpeedyTechnoRemix ''and'' pitch-shifted version of ''Wind's Nocturne''.

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* MagnificentBastard: Ghaleon
Ghaleon.
* MemeticMutation: The internet-famous ''Shii's Song'' "Shii's Song" is a pitch-shifted version of ''Wind's Nocturne''. "Wind's Nocturne." Likewise, ''Longcat's Song'' "Longcat's Song" is a SpeedyTechnoRemix ''and'' pitch-shifted version of ''Wind's Nocturne''."Wind's Nocturne."



** The Black Dragon can be quite challenging. Especially since the battle occurs fairly late in the game, and all previous boss battles have been quite easy. There are no healers for this fight, and thus no way to heal everyone at once. It can be a struggle to keep everyone at full health one healing item at a time, all while trying to find a free turn to whittle down its generous hp. The black dragon always attacks twice in a row. ''Usually'' its first turn is a non-damaging Blowback, and the second turn is a powerful spell that hits all characters, but not always. It will also just attack two times in a row, leaving everyone critical and one or two characters dead, most likely. And it will frequently get its turn before the characters, which means if its turn came up last the previous round, and first this round, you could be facing four powerful all-character-hitting spells in a row, and certain death. You better hope that's not the case, as there was a fairly lengthy scene before the battle...

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** The Black Dragon can be quite challenging. Especially since the battle occurs fairly late in the game, and all previous boss battles have been quite easy. There are no healers for this fight, and thus no way to heal everyone at once. It can be a struggle to keep everyone at full health one healing item at a time, all while trying to find a free turn to whittle down its generous hp.HP. The black dragon always attacks twice in a row. ''Usually'' its first turn is a non-damaging Blowback, and the second turn is a powerful spell that hits all characters, but not always. It will also just attack two times in a row, leaving everyone critical and one or two characters dead, most likely. And it will frequently get its turn before the characters, which means if its turn came up last the previous round, and first this round, you could be facing four powerful all-character-hitting spells in a row, and certain death. You better hope that's not the case, as there was a fairly lengthy scene before the battle...
20th Jul '16 7:45:26 PM X2X
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* AntiClimaxBoss: Xenobia in the original game. While not that hard in ''Silver Star Complete'', she's still a joke for a how much a threat the plot makes her out to be, [[spoiler: especially with her beating Laike off-screen]].

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* AntiClimaxBoss: Xenobia in the original game. While not that hard in ''Silver Star Complete'', she's still a joke for a how much a threat the plot makes her out to be, [[spoiler: especially [[spoiler:especially with her beating Laike off-screen]].



* DarthVaderClone: [[spoiler:Magic Emperor Ghaleon]] looks an awful lot like [[VideoGame/FinalFantasy4 Golbez]], just more purple and with looser-fitting clothes. Also, their names begin with a [[spoiler:G]].
** In the remakes, he ACTS Golbez-like. [[spoiler: Sending one of his minions to impersonate a famous, beloved leader who turns into a complete jerk]]? Check. [[spoiler:Kidnapping the love interest right after revealing himself]]? Check! And [[spoiler: when his pet Black Dragon weakens the party so they can be easily finished off]]? Triple check! All he needs is a giant freaking tower that extends to the heavens! ''Oh wait...''

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* DarthVaderClone: [[spoiler:Magic Emperor Ghaleon]] looks an awful lot like [[VideoGame/FinalFantasy4 [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyIV Golbez]], just more purple and with looser-fitting clothes. Also, their names begin with a [[spoiler:G]].
** In the remakes, he ACTS Golbez-like. [[spoiler: Sending [[spoiler:Sending one of his minions to impersonate a famous, beloved leader who turns into a complete jerk]]? Check. [[spoiler:Kidnapping the love interest right after revealing himself]]? Check! And [[spoiler: when [[spoiler:when his pet Black Dragon weakens the party so they can be easily finished off]]? Triple check! All he needs is a giant freaking tower that extends to the heavens! ''Oh wait...''



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It can be rather hard to appreciate Lunar as a whole given how it was actually ''quite'' different back in the day. As it was described by LetsPlay/HCBailly in his LetsPlay of the Playstation version:

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It can be rather hard to appreciate Lunar as a whole given how it was actually ''quite'' different back in the day. As it was described by LetsPlay/HCBailly in his LetsPlay of the Playstation UsefulNotes/PlayStation version:



* StrawmanHasAPoint: [[spoiler: Ghaleon]]'s belief in the ''Complete'' and ''Harmony'' versions, that [[spoiler: humanity ''needs'' a god for protection, and cannot look after itself]], turns out to have been extremely well-founded considering the events of ''VideoGame/LunarEternalBlue''.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: [[spoiler: Ghaleon]]'s [[spoiler:Ghaleon]]'s belief in the ''Complete'' and ''Harmony'' versions, that [[spoiler: humanity [[spoiler:humanity ''needs'' a god for protection, and cannot look after itself]], turns out to have been extremely well-founded considering the events of ''VideoGame/LunarEternalBlue''.



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Half of the fanbase attitude towards ''Lunar Legend''. The one for the [=PSP=] even more so thanks to there being a bunch of changed and/or new additions. People have gone so far as to judge the game by its demo ''alone.'' Others denounced the game the very moment they learned WorkingDesigns (or rather its members) weren't involved in the localisation. Especially nonsensical in ''Silver Star Harmony'''s case, considering XSeed used Working Design's script with a few alterations.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Half of the fanbase attitude towards ''Lunar Legend''. The one for the [=PSP=] PSP even more so thanks to there being a bunch of changed and/or new additions. People have gone so far as to judge the game by its demo ''alone.'' Others denounced the game the very moment they learned WorkingDesigns (or rather its members) weren't involved in the localisation. Especially nonsensical in ''Silver Star Harmony'''s case, considering XSeed used Working Design's script with a few alterations.



** Also, as noted in BaseBreaker above, fans of the PSX version weren't very pleased with the more-accurate translation used in the PSP version of ''Wind's Nocturne'', even though X-Seed actually got Jennifer Stingle (the ''original'' singer of the PSX version) to come back and record the song. Common complaints often include how some lines of the lyrics has too many syllables that it doesn't fit in the song, and how the mood of the moment is ruined outright just by the change.

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** Also, as noted in BaseBreaker BrokenBase above, fans of the PSX version weren't very pleased with the more-accurate translation used in the PSP version of ''Wind's Nocturne'', "Wind's Nocturne," even though X-Seed Creator/{{XSEED|Games}} actually got Jennifer Stingle (the ''original'' singer of in the PSX version) to come back and record the song. Common complaints often include how some lines of the lyrics has too many syllables that it doesn't fit in the song, and how the mood of the moment is ruined outright just by the change.



* TheUntwist / EverybodyKnewAlready: The game doesn't even ''try'' to make Luna's real origins a secret. Doubly so in the PSP version, where [[spoiler:Althena and Luna sing ''exactly the same song'']].

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* TheUntwist / EverybodyKnewAlready: TheUntwist[=/=]EverybodyKnewAlready: The game doesn't even ''try'' to make Luna's real origins a secret. Doubly so in the PSP version, where [[spoiler:Althena and Luna sing ''exactly the same song'']].



* {{Woolseyism}}: Working Designs did a somewhat liberal translation job of the series when they released it in the West, which included adding in a series of pop culture references and various other bits of humour. Needless to say, [[BaseBreaker whether or not this was better than a more faithful translation is an oft-discussed topic in the fandom.]]

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* {{Woolseyism}}: Working Designs Creator/WorkingDesigns did a somewhat liberal translation job of the series when they released it in the West, which included adding in a series of pop culture references and various other bits of humour. Needless to say, [[BaseBreaker [[BrokenBase whether or not this was better than a more faithful translation is an oft-discussed topic in the fandom.]]
fandom]].
28th May '16 10:31:43 PM nombretomado
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* NintendoHard: The PS1 version, in comparison to the PSP. The PS1 hasn't the same item storage style, meaning less space. They also haven't limit breaks, meaning bosses are much harder (since you can't rely on Luna's Limit for most of the game to restore mp, or any of the attack Limits in battle). Also, experience seems to be slightly slower. For a good comparison, in the first forest in Harmony, it is possible to win at least the first battle, and possibly the second (without asking for help). It's not as much to do so without the help of limit breaks, though.

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* NintendoHard: The PS1 [=PS1=] version, in comparison to the PSP. The PS1 [=PS1=] hasn't the same item storage style, meaning less space. They also haven't limit breaks, meaning bosses are much harder (since you can't rely on Luna's Limit for most of the game to restore mp, or any of the attack Limits in battle). Also, experience seems to be slightly slower. For a good comparison, in the first forest in Harmony, it is possible to win at least the first battle, and possibly the second (without asking for help). It's not as much to do so without the help of limit breaks, though.



** Not to mention the PSP has the entire opening scene in the start, while the PS1 version skips to Alex.

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** Not to mention the PSP has the entire opening scene in the start, while the PS1 [=PS1=] version skips to Alex.
13th Feb '16 12:35:32 AM Chirpa43
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Fresca is a warrior woman with a bullwhip. So what does she contribute to the story? She [[PutOnABus gets sick]] and talks about how much she wants to have Tempest's babies.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Fresca is a warrior woman with a bullwhip. So what does she contribute to the story? She [[PutOnABus gets sick]] sick and talks about how much she wants to have Tempest's babies.
3rd Jan '16 12:48:23 AM Chirpa43
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: In the remakes, Jessica suffers from a pretty bad case of {{Chickification}}. She's introduced as a strong-willed girl with surprisingly good melee damage in addition to being a good healer. But once [[SpotlightStealingSquad Kyle]] joins the party, she spends most of the game [[TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong arguing with him and constantly having to be saved by him.]] And her dilemma over not wanting to reveal her wild and adventurous side to her father doesn't come up again until [[spoiler: Xenobia uses illusions to destroy the party's resolve to fight Ghaleon.]]
** The Plaster Mel encounter is pretty egregious in this regard. [[spoiler: Plaster Mel turns everyone but Jessica to stone and then beckons her to join them in death. She accepts this offer without any resistance. Then Kyle breaks out of stone and defeats Plaster Mel without any help from her.]] It would have been a great opportunity to advance Jessica's character by [[NegatedMomentOfAwesome making her face a monster in the form of her doting father all by herself.]]
** Then there's the Pao/Black Dragon Fortress portion of the game. [[MonsterMisogyny Jessica and the other girls fall sick from the Dark Songstress's song]], thus depriving you of your healer. It arguably would have made more sense to have her instead Kyle for this portion because she actually has some sort of emotional connection to Luna by this point in the game. And then the boys return to the village right when she and the other girls recover and get ready to head out to meet them.
** Arguably, Kyle as well. While the writers try to prop him up as a smarter-than-he-looks warrior, he never really grows out of his chauvinistic college frat-boy mindset. And it's implied at the end that [[spoiler: he may go back to being a thief.]]
** Fresca is a warrior woman with a bullwhip. So what does she contribute to the story? She [[PutOnABus gets sick]] and talks about how much she wants to have Tempest's babies.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: In the remakes, Jessica suffers from a pretty bad case of {{Chickification}}. She's introduced as a strong-willed girl with surprisingly good melee damage in addition to being a good healer. But once [[SpotlightStealingSquad Kyle]] joins the party, she spends most of the game [[TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong arguing with him and constantly having to be saved by him.]] And her dilemma over not wanting to reveal her wild and adventurous side to her father doesn't come up again until [[spoiler: Xenobia uses illusions to destroy the party's resolve to fight Ghaleon.]]
** The Plaster Mel encounter is pretty egregious in this regard. [[spoiler: Plaster Mel turns everyone but Jessica to stone and then beckons her to join them in death. She accepts this offer without any resistance. Then Kyle breaks out of stone and defeats Plaster Mel without any help from her.]] It would have been a great opportunity to advance Jessica's character by [[NegatedMomentOfAwesome making her face a monster in the form of her doting father all by herself.]]
** Then there's the Pao/Black Dragon Fortress portion of the game. [[MonsterMisogyny Jessica and the other girls fall sick from the Dark Songstress's song]], thus depriving you of your healer. It arguably would have made more sense to have her instead Kyle for this portion because she actually has some sort of emotional connection to Luna by this point in the game. And then the boys return to the village right when she and the other girls recover and get ready to head out to meet them.
** Arguably, Kyle as well. While the writers try to prop him up as a smarter-than-he-looks warrior, he never really grows out of his chauvinistic college frat-boy mindset. And it's implied at the end that [[spoiler: he may go back to being a thief.]]
**
Fresca is a warrior woman with a bullwhip. So what does she contribute to the story? She [[PutOnABus gets sick]] and talks about how much she wants to have Tempest's babies.
10th Dec '15 10:30:35 PM Chirpa43
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** Arguably, Kyle as well. While the writers try to prop him up as a smarter-than-he-looks warrior, he never really grows out of his college fratboy phase. And it's implied at the end that [[spoiler: he may go back to being a thief.]]

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** Arguably, Kyle as well. While the writers try to prop him up as a smarter-than-he-looks warrior, he never really grows out of his chauvinistic college fratboy phase.frat-boy mindset. And it's implied at the end that [[spoiler: he may go back to being a thief.]]
10th Dec '15 10:29:43 PM Chirpa43
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** Arguably, Kyle as well. While the writers try to prop him up as a smarter-than-he-looks warrior, he never really grows out of his college fratboy phase. And it's implied at the end that [[spoiler: he may go back to being a thief.]]
** Fresca is a warrior woman with a bullwhip. So what does she contribute to the story? She [[PutOnABus gets sick]] and talks about how much she wants to have Tempest's babies.
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