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* {{Anvilicious}}: A guy smoking marijuana isn't merely a druggie; he's a horrible, semi-abusive jerk to who tries to force his girlfriend (Bernice) to hide it for him. Also, Brad's inspired by 9/11 to become a firefighter and hero (to the point where he later tries to get married on September 11th.)
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* {{Anvilicious}}: {{Anvilicious}}:
** A guy smoking marijuana isn't merely a druggie; he's a horrible, semi-abusive jerk to who tries to force his girlfriend (Bernice) to hide it for him. Also, Brad's inspired by 9/11 to become a firefighter and hero (to the point where he later tries to get married on September 11th.)
** A guy smoking marijuana isn't merely a druggie; he's a horrible, semi-abusive jerk to who tries to force his girlfriend (Bernice) to hide it for him. Also, Brad's inspired by 9/11 to become a firefighter and hero (to the point where he later tries to get married on September 11th.)
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* FanNickname: Gunther and Les's house is known as "The Gulag" by fans on [=GoComics=]. The commenters at ''Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon'' know it as "Cockblock Cabin".
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* FanNickname: FanNickname:
** Gunther and Les's house is known as "The Gulag" by fans on [=GoComics=]. The commenters at ''Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon'' know it as "Cockblock Cabin".
** Gunther and Les's house is known as "The Gulag" by fans on [=GoComics=]. The commenters at ''Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon'' know it as "Cockblock Cabin".
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* FanPreferredCouple: When once polled with the question of who Luann should take to a dance, readers chose Aaron over Gunther. While Evans had them attend the dance together (and even had Aaron kiss Luann after she asked him to do so in order to make an overlooking Tiffany jealous) Aaron still treated Luann more as a friend than as girlfriend material. Even after this, however, many fans still wanted her to end up with Aaron, only for Evans to permanently kill the ship later by [[PutOnABus shipping Aaron off to Hawaii]]. Once the college arc began, readers began shipping her with Jock (aka Jack) as well over Gunther, who they preferred with Tiffany.
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* FanPreferredCouple: FanPreferredCouple:
** When once polled with the question of who Luann should take to a dance, readers chose Aaron over Gunther. While Evans had them attend the dance together (and even had Aaron kiss Luann after she asked him to do so in order to make an overlooking Tiffany jealous) Aaron still treated Luann more as a friend than as girlfriend material. Even after this, however, many fans still wanted her to end up with Aaron, only for Evans to permanently kill the ship later by [[PutOnABus shipping Aaron off to Hawaii]]. Once the college arc began, readers began shipping her with Jock (aka Jack) as well over Gunther, who they preferred with Tiffany.
** When once polled with the question of who Luann should take to a dance, readers chose Aaron over Gunther. While Evans had them attend the dance together (and even had Aaron kiss Luann after she asked him to do so in order to make an overlooking Tiffany jealous) Aaron still treated Luann more as a friend than as girlfriend material. Even after this, however, many fans still wanted her to end up with Aaron, only for Evans to permanently kill the ship later by [[PutOnABus shipping Aaron off to Hawaii]]. Once the college arc began, readers began shipping her with Jock (aka Jack) as well over Gunther, who they preferred with Tiffany.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The arc where Luann runs into Clay Aiken and mistakes a note from him to mean he's in love with her is most ironic after the real life Aiken came out as gay.
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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
** The arc where Luann runs into Clay Aiken and mistakes a note from him to mean he's in love with her is most ironic after the real life Aiken came out as gay.
** The arc where Luann runs into Clay Aiken and mistakes a note from him to mean he's in love with her is most ironic after the real life Aiken came out as gay.
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* {{Narm}}: Luann's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vfyZ_O7DQ original songs]] are pretty hilariously bad.
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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
** Luann's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vfyZ_O7DQ original songs]] are pretty hilariously bad.
** Luann's [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3vfyZ_O7DQ original songs]] are pretty hilariously bad.
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* NightmareFuel: Tiffany and Luann's near-drowning.
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* NightmareFuel: NightmareFuel:
** Tiffany and Luann's near-drowning.
** Tiffany and Luann's near-drowning.
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* ShippingBedDeath / TrueLoveIsBoring: Speculated by fans to be the reason why no couples have gotten together since Gunther and Bets, and why Gunther and Bets are broken up now.
* {{Squick}}: Stef and Kip use Tiffany's towel (without her permission) for post sex cleanup. Stef hands it back to her with it visibly dripping.
* {{Squick}}: Stef and Kip use Tiffany's towel (without her permission) for post sex cleanup. Stef hands it back to her with it visibly dripping.
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* ShippingBedDeath / TrueLoveIsBoring: ShippingBedDeath: Speculated by fans to be the reason why no couples have gotten together since Gunther and Bets, and why Gunther and Bets are broken up now.
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** Stef and Kip use Tiffany's towel (without her permission) for post sex cleanup. Stef hands it back to her with it visibly dripping.
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** Stef and Kip use Tiffany's towel (without her permission) for post sex cleanup. Stef hands it back to her with it visibly dripping.
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* TakeThatScrappy: During the July 2020 arc, Ann Eiffel finally gets her comeuppance and is kicked out of the house.
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* TakeThatScrappy: TakeThatScrappy:
** During the July 2020 arc, Ann Eiffel finally gets her comeuppance and is kicked out of the house.
** During the July 2020 arc, Ann Eiffel finally gets her comeuppance and is kicked out of the house.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Shannon and Tiffany could bond over their frequently absent fathers (genuine in Tiffany's case) and disappeared mothers, but they've only interacted at the talent show in high school.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** Shannon and Tiffany could bond over their frequently absent fathers (genuine in Tiffany's case) and disappeared mothers, but they've only interacted at the talent show in high school.
** Shannon and Tiffany could bond over their frequently absent fathers (genuine in Tiffany's case) and disappeared mothers, but they've only interacted at the talent show in high school.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: In the early days of the comic, Brad was intended to be seen as the BigBrotherBully toward Luann but usually he never bothered Luann unless she initiated it first like trying to talk to him while he's sleeping or trying to extort rides from him before she could drive. Most of the time, Luann was the one picking on Brad for seemingly no real reason except that she's bored. It does get toned down thankfully when they get older and Brad gets significant CharacterDevelopment.
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* UnintentionallySympathetic: UnintentionallySympathetic:
** In the early days of the comic, Brad was intended to be seen as the BigBrotherBully toward Luann but usually he never bothered Luann unless she initiated it first like trying to talk to him while he's sleeping or trying to extort rides from him before she could drive. Most of the time, Luann was the one picking on Brad for seemingly no real reason except that she's bored. It does get toned down thankfully when they get older and Brad gets significant CharacterDevelopment.
** In the early days of the comic, Brad was intended to be seen as the BigBrotherBully toward Luann but usually he never bothered Luann unless she initiated it first like trying to talk to him while he's sleeping or trying to extort rides from him before she could drive. Most of the time, Luann was the one picking on Brad for seemingly no real reason except that she's bored. It does get toned down thankfully when they get older and Brad gets significant CharacterDevelopment.
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** Gunther's girlfriend Bets: a combination of ControlFreak, ManipulativeBitch and SelfieFiend tendencies has caused many fans to dislike her. Just as fans were starting to get used to her, they broke up and she was PutOnABus.
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** Gunther's girlfriend Bets: a combination of ControlFreak, ManipulativeBitch and SelfieFiend tendencies has caused many fans to dislike her. Just as fans were starting to get used to her, they broke up and she was PutOnABus. Though her plan for reuniting with Gunther ([[https://www.gocomics.com/luann/2023/11/06 which seemed to be exist more as a social media stunt than anything else]]) reminded readers why they disliked her so much in the first place.
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* TearJerker: Gunther and Bets breaking up.
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** Bets was either a breath of fresh air (relentlessly positive and upbeat) or an annoying attempt at being trendy (a pushy, shelfish wannabe influence with little sense of boundaries).
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** Bets was either a breath of fresh air (relentlessly positive and upbeat) or an annoying attempt at being trendy (a pushy, shelfish selfish wannabe influence influencer with little sense of boundaries).
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** Bets was either a breath of fresh air (relentlessly positive and upbeat) or an annoying attempt at being trendy (a pushy, shelfish wannabe influence with little sense of boundaries).
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Is it ''ever''. A guy smoking marijuana isn't merely a druggie; he's a horrible, semi-abusive jerk to who tries to force his girlfriend (Bernice) to hide it for him. Also, Brad's inspired by 9/11 to become a firefighter and hero (to the point where he later tries to get married on September 11th.)
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Is it ''ever''. A guy smoking marijuana isn't merely a druggie; he's a horrible, semi-abusive jerk to who tries to force his girlfriend (Bernice) to hide it for him. Also, Brad's inspired by 9/11 to become a firefighter and hero (to the point where he later tries to get married on September 11th.)
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** Gunther as of the move to college. He's either a LovableNerd or a complete {{Jerkass}}, especially when it comes to his mother's relationship with Mr. Gray and how he treats Tiffany's relationship with Les. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap He has stopped being this after his CharacterDevelopment since starting his relationship with Bets]].
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* DesignatedHero: Luann and Bernice whenever something bad happened to Tiffany in high school. Their taking amusement in her suffering was intended to come off as an AlphaBitch getting her comeuppance, but since Tiffany was never being mean in these moments, it comes across as them bullying her.
* DesignatedVillain: Tiffany was this in high school on the rare occasions she wasn't being mean to Luann and Bernice. [[{{Jerkass}} They bullied her anyway]].
* EightDeadlyWords: Not from the characters (though almost everyone has their moments of [[{{Jerkass}} cruelty]], but from the wasted potential. The comic has a tendency to either remove interesting characters (Crystal and Knute), bring back bland, uninteresting characters for the sake of filler (Ann Eiffel and Piro), abruptly stop interesting story arcs (the supposed break-in at Tiffany's mansion), or have WillTheyOrWontThey ShipTease that either doesn't go anywhere, or leads to a very short-lived relationship (pick one).
* DesignatedVillain: Tiffany was this in high school on the rare occasions she wasn't being mean to Luann and Bernice. [[{{Jerkass}} They bullied her anyway]].
* EightDeadlyWords: Not from the characters (though almost everyone has their moments of [[{{Jerkass}} cruelty]], but from the wasted potential. The comic has a tendency to either remove interesting characters (Crystal and Knute), bring back bland, uninteresting characters for the sake of filler (Ann Eiffel and Piro), abruptly stop interesting story arcs (the supposed break-in at Tiffany's mansion), or have WillTheyOrWontThey ShipTease that either doesn't go anywhere, or leads to a very short-lived relationship (pick one).
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* FridgeHorror: Brad and Toni want to be parents, but can't even take care of Shannon properly.
** Bernice's career path of being a guidance counselor, given her unsympathetic behavior.
** Bernice's career path of being a guidance counselor, given her unsympathetic behavior.
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** The arc with Tiffany going on a crash diet to stay skinny and then, when reaching adulthood, she puts on several pounds and loses her confidence altogether.
** Tiffany convincing Bets and Gunther to get back together is sad now that they've broken up again, apparently for good this time.
** Tiffany convincing Bets and Gunther to get back together is sad now that they've broken up again, apparently for good this time.
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* PlotTumor: Tiffany trying to seduce Kip started off more sporadic, but soon became her only storyline.
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** Ann Eiffel. Many find her to be an insufferable antagonist who's well outstayed her welcome and irritating for the fact she rarely suffers any meaningful consequences or losses.
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** Gunther's girlfriend Bets: a combination of ControlFreak, ManipulativeBitch and SelfieFiend tendencies has caused many fans to full-on ''despise'' her. Her actions in [[https://www.gocomics.com/luann/2022/09/12 this strip]] and her breakup with Gunther cemented her status.
** Stef is considered this by some readers, for a lot of the same reasons as Ann Eiffel. The fact that she's Tiffany's roommate means she appears way more often than Ann Eiffel, and her appearances only having one joke (Stef is an insensitive bitch to her roommates) means she very quickly gets tiresome. [[KarmaHoudini She never gets called out on her lousy behavior, or faces any comeuppance either]].
** Stef is considered this by some readers, for a lot of the same reasons as Ann Eiffel. The fact that she's Tiffany's roommate means she appears way more often than Ann Eiffel, and her appearances only having one joke (Stef is an insensitive bitch to her roommates) means she very quickly gets tiresome. [[KarmaHoudini She never gets called out on her lousy behavior, or faces any comeuppance either]].
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** Gunther's girlfriend Bets: a combination of ControlFreak, ManipulativeBitch and SelfieFiend tendencies has caused many fans to full-on ''despise'' dislike her. Her actions in [[https://www.gocomics.com/luann/2022/09/12 this strip]] Just as fans were starting to get used to her, they broke up and her breakup with Gunther cemented her status.
she was PutOnABus.
** Stef is considered this by some readers, for a lot of the same reasons as Ann Eiffel. The fact that she's Tiffany's roommate means she appears way more often than Ann Eiffel, and her appearances only having one joke (Stef is an insensitive bitch to her roommates) means she very quickly gets tiresome.[[KarmaHoudini She never gets called out on her lousy behavior, or faces any comeuppance either]].
** Stef is considered this by some readers, for a lot of the same reasons as Ann Eiffel. The fact that she's Tiffany's roommate means she appears way more often than Ann Eiffel, and her appearances only having one joke (Stef is an insensitive bitch to her roommates) means she very quickly gets tiresome.
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** Stef's boyfriend Kip. Not so much due to him (though his lack of personality doesn't help matters), but for the fact that his mere presence brings Tiffany's story arcs and CharacterDevelopment to a screeching halt just so she can waste time trying to unsuccessfully seduce him. This has happened at least three times, with the latest one being the worst.
* SeasonalRot: The strip has fallen into this as of 2023. The interesting characters and story arcs have been completely replaced by only two storylines: A love triangle between Luann, Bernice and Piro, and Tiffany being obsessed with trying to seduce Kip. Any other interesting sounding story arcs are immediately interrupted to focus on the other two. That and... whatever the heck happened between Gunther and Bets showed a serious decline in writing quality.
* SeasonalRot: The strip has fallen into this as of 2023. The interesting characters and story arcs have been completely replaced by only two storylines: A love triangle between Luann, Bernice and Piro, and Tiffany being obsessed with trying to seduce Kip. Any other interesting sounding story arcs are immediately interrupted to focus on the other two. That and... whatever the heck happened between Gunther and Bets showed a serious decline in writing quality.
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* {{Squick}}: Stef and Kip use Tiffany's towel (without her permission) for post sex cleanup. Stef hands it back to her with it visibly dripping with bodily fluids and god knows what else.
** A Gunther and Les Sunday comic shows actual shit in the open toilet.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Ox's out-of-nowhere crush on Tiffany, and Bernice and Nil getting together despite having barely interacted before.
** A Gunther and Les Sunday comic shows actual shit in the open toilet.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Ox's out-of-nowhere crush on Tiffany, and Bernice and Nil getting together despite having barely interacted before.
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* {{Squick}}: Stef and Kip use Tiffany's towel (without her permission) for post sex cleanup. Stef hands it back to her with it visibly dripping with bodily fluids and god knows what else.
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** A Gunther and Les Sunday comic shows actualshit feces in the open toilet.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Ox's out-of-nowhere crush on Tiffany, and Bernice and Nil getting together despite having barely interacted before.toilet.
** A Gunther and Les Sunday comic shows actual
* StrangledByTheRedString: Ox's out-of-nowhere crush on Tiffany, and Bernice and Nil getting together despite having barely interacted before.
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** Dez calling out Bets' SelfieFiend tendencies is also satisfying.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Summer 2023 has brought some changes to the comic that not all fans think were for the better: Breaking up Gunther and Bets, apparently writing Bets out entirely, and [[{{Flanderization}} making Tiffany obsessed with seducing Kip]].
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Summer 2023 has brought some changes to the comic that not all fans think were for the better: Breaking up Gunther and Bets, apparently writing Bets out entirely, and [[{{Flanderization}} making Tiffany obsessed with seducing Kip]].
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** Dez calling out Bets' SelfieFiend tendencies is also satisfying.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Summer 2023 has brought some changes to the comic that not all fans think were for the better: Breaking up Gunther and Bets, apparently writing Bets out entirely, and [[{{Flanderization}} making Tiffany obsessed with seducing Kip]].tendencies.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Summer 2023 has brought some changes to the comic that not all fans think were for the better: Breaking up Gunther and Bets, apparently writing Bets out entirely, and [[{{Flanderization}} making Tiffany obsessed with seducing Kip]].
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** Ox's crush on Tiffany could lead to them being a couple, with him improving her self esteem, stopping her whining about being single, and putting a stop to her numerous attempts to steal Kip away from Stef. This never went anywhere, and probably never will.
** Jack and Luann have chemistry, and could make a good couple. Instead, they're just friends.
** Jack and Luann have chemistry, and could make a good couple. Instead, they're just friends.
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** Spring 2023 saw Tiffany interact normally toward Kip, without trying to seduce him at all. This could've led to some CharacterDevelopment for her. Unfortunately, by the summer she had reverted back to trying to seduce him... again.
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** Whenever a terrible situation happens to Tiffany, Luann and Bernice taking amusement out of it is supposed to be some sort of karmic retribution but it comes off more as schadenfreude. They even actively bully Tiffany on the rare occasions she ''isn't'' being mean to them.
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** Many of Luann's love interests were grown men while she was still a 16-year-old in high school. Stuart was old enough to be married and Ben was a Sergeant in the army (and therefore at least 21). Both of these men also met Luann’s parents, who apparently saw no issue with their daughter dating an adult (one strip even had Frank confirm that he was perfectly okay with 16-year-old Luann dating a 21-year-old man, as long as the man seemed respectable enough.)
** Tara bringing a bow and arrow into Luann's daycare class and getting away scot-free comes off as incredibly insensitive, given the rising number of school shootings in the US.
** Tara bringing a bow and arrow into Luann's daycare class and getting away scot-free comes off as incredibly insensitive, given the rising number of school shootings in the US.
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** Many of Luann's love interests crush objects were grown men while she was still a 16-year-old in high school. Stuart was old enough to be married and Ben was a Sergeant in the army (and therefore at least 21). Both of these men also met Luann’s parents, who apparently saw no issue with their daughter dating an adult (one strip even had Frank confirm that he was perfectly okay with 16-year-old Luann dating a 21-year-old man, as long as the man seemed respectable enough.)
** Tara bringing a bow and arrow into Luann's daycare class and getting away scot-free comes off as incredibly insensitive, given the rising number of school shootings in the US.)
** Tara bringing a bow and arrow into Luann's daycare class and getting away scot-free comes off as incredibly insensitive, given the rising number of school shootings in the US.
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** Tiffany's whining about being single when Ox has an obvious crush on her comes off as this, too.
* TheWoobie: Ox's unrequited crush on Tiffany makes him this. You just want to give the guy a hug (then tell Tiffany to stop trying to seduce Kip and date Ox already).
** Poor Gunther. He has to live with [[{{Jerkass}} Les]], [[NoRespectGuy gets treated like garbage despite having a good head on his shoulders]] and both his relationships so far have ended poorly. Couple that with the fact that Bets expected him to drop whatever he was doing and help her, and he comes off as pitiable.
* TheWoobie: Ox's unrequited crush on Tiffany makes him this. You just want to give the guy a hug (then tell Tiffany to stop trying to seduce Kip and date Ox already).
** Poor Gunther. He has to live with [[{{Jerkass}} Les]], [[NoRespectGuy gets treated like garbage despite having a good head on his shoulders]] and both his relationships so far have ended poorly. Couple that with the fact that Bets expected him to drop whatever he was doing and help her, and he comes off as pitiable.
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** Tiffany convincing Bets and Gunther to get back together is sad now that they've broken up again, apparently for good this time.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Summer 2023 has brought some changes to the comic that not all fans think were for the better: Breaking up Gunther and Bets, writing Bets out entirely, and [[{{Flanderization}} making Tiffany obsessed with seducing Kip]].
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Summer 2023 has brought some changes to the comic that not all fans think were for the better: Breaking up Gunther and Bets, apparently writing Bets out entirely, and [[{{Flanderization}} making Tiffany obsessed with seducing Kip]].
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** Poor Gunther. He has to live with [[{{Jerkass}} Les]], [[NoRespectGuy gets treated like garbage despite having a good head on his shoulders]] and both his relationships so far have ended poorly. Couple that with the fact that Bets expected him to drop whatever he was doing and help her,
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** Poor Gunther. He has to live with [[{{Jerkass}} Les]], [[NoRespectGuy gets treated like garbage despite having a good head on his shoulders]] and both his relationships so far have ended poorly. Couple that with the fact that Bets expected him to drop whatever he was doing and help her, and he comes off as pitiable.
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Summer 2023 has brought some changes to the comic that not all fans think was for the better: Breaking up Gunther and Bets, writing Bets out entirely, and [[Flanderization making Tiffany obsessed with seducing Kip]].
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Summer 2023 has brought some changes to the comic that not all fans think was were for the better: Breaking up Gunther and Bets, writing Bets out entirely, and [[Flanderization [[{{Flanderization}} making Tiffany obsessed with seducing Kip]].
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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Summer 2023 has brought some changes to the comic that not all fans think was for the better: Breaking up Gunther and Bets, writing Bets out entirely, and [[Flanderization making Tiffany obsessed with seducing Kip]].
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** Poor Gunther. He has to live with [[{{Jerkass}} Les]], [[NoRespectGuy gets treated like garbage despite having a good head on his shoulders]] and both his relationships so far have ended poorly. Couple that with the fact that Bets expected him to drop whatever he was doing and help her,
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** Gunther's girlfriend Bets: a combination of ControlFreak, ManipulativeBitch and SelfieFiend tendencies has caused many fans to full-on ''despise'' her. Her actions in [[https://www.gocomics.com/luann/2022/09/12 this strip]] cemented her status.
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** Gunther's girlfriend Bets: a combination of ControlFreak, ManipulativeBitch and SelfieFiend tendencies has caused many fans to full-on ''despise'' her. Her actions in [[https://www.gocomics.com/luann/2022/09/12 this strip]] and her breakup with Gunther cemented her status.
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* ShippingBedDeath / TrueLoveIsBoring: Speculated by fans to be the reason why no couples have gotten together since Gunther and Bets, and why Gunther and Bets are broken up now.
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* SeasonalRot: The strip has fallen into this as of 2023. The interesting characters and story arcs have been completely replaced by only two storylines: A love triangle between Luann, Bernice and Piro, and Tiffany being obsessed with trying to seduce Kip. That and... whatever the heck happened between Gunther and Bets showed a serious decline in writing quality.
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* SeasonalRot: The strip has fallen into this as of 2023. The interesting characters and story arcs have been completely replaced by only two storylines: A love triangle between Luann, Bernice and Piro, and Tiffany being obsessed with trying to seduce Kip. Any other interesting sounding story arcs are immediately interrupted to focus on the other two. That and... whatever the heck happened between Gunther and Bets showed a serious decline in writing quality.
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* SeasonalRot: The strip has fallen into this as of 2023. The interesting characters and story arcs have been completely replaced by only two storylines: A love triangle between Luann, Bernice and Piro, and Tiffany being obsessed with trying to seduce Kip.
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* SeasonalRot: The strip has fallen into this as of 2023. The interesting characters and story arcs have been completely replaced by only two storylines: A love triangle between Luann, Bernice and Piro, and Tiffany being obsessed with trying to seduce Kip. That and... whatever the heck happened between Gunther and Bets showed a serious decline in writing quality.
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* SeasonalRot: The strip has fallen into this as of 2023. The interesting characters and story arcs have been completely replaced by only two storylines: A love triangle between Luann, Bernice and Piro, and Tiffany being obsessed with trying to seduce Kip.
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* PlotTumor: Tiffany trying to seduce Kip started off more sporadic, but soon became her only storyline.
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* EightDeadlyWords: Not from the characters (though almost everyone has their moments of [[{{Jerkass}} cruelty]], but from the wasted potential. The comic has a tendency to either remove interesting characters (Crystal and Knute), bring back bland, uninteresting characters for the sake of filler (Ann Eiffel and Piro), abruptly stop interesting story arcs (the supposed break-in at Tiffany's mansion), or have WillTheyOrWontThey ShipTease that either doesn't go anywhere, or leads to a very short-lived relationship (pick one).
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Not from the tone or characters (though almost everyone has their moments of [[{{Jerkass}} cruelty]], but from the wasted potential. The comic has a tendency to either remove interesting characters (Crystal and Knute), bring back bland, uninteresting characters for the sake of filler (Ann Eiffel and Piro), abruptly stop interesting story arcs (the supposed break-in at Tiffany's mansion), or have WillTheyOrWontThey ShipTease that either doesn't go anywhere, or leads to a very short-lived relationship (pick one).
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** Tiffany's whining about being single when Ox has an obvious crush on her comes off as this, too.
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** Stef is considered this by some readers, for a lot of the same reasons as Ann Eiffel. The fact that she's Tiffany's roommate means she appears way more often than Ann Eiffel, and her appearances only having one joke (Stef is an insensitive bitch to her roommates) means she very quickly gets tiresome.
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** Stef is considered this by some readers, for a lot of the same reasons as Ann Eiffel. The fact that she's Tiffany's roommate means she appears way more often than Ann Eiffel, and her appearances only having one joke (Stef is an insensitive bitch to her roommates) means she very quickly gets tiresome. [[KarmaHoudini She never gets called out on her lousy behavior, or faces any comeuppance either]].
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** Dez calling out Bets' CameraFiend tendencies is also satisfying.
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** Dez calling out Bets' CameraFiend SelfieFiend tendencies is also satisfying.
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** Spring 2023 saw Tiffany interact normally toward Kip, without trying to seduce him at all. Unfortunately, by the summer she had reverted back to trying to seduce him... again.
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** Spring 2023 saw Tiffany interact normally toward Kip, without trying to seduce him at all. This could've led to some CharacterDevelopment for her. Unfortunately, by the summer she had reverted back to trying to seduce him... again.
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** Spring 2023 saw Tiffany interact normally toward Kip, without trying to seduce him at all. Unfortunately, by the summer she had reverted back to trying to seduce him... again.
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* VanillaProtagonist: Luann (and to a lesser extent Bernice) is this. Given the more interesting side characters, she comes off as boring by comparison.
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* ArcFatigue: The 2023 "Tiffany trying to seduce Kip" story arc has gone on way too long (the entire summer and counting, even interrupting other story arcs, true to the comic's form), and sees no signs of stopping.
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* ArcFatigue: The 2023 "Tiffany trying to seduce Kip" story arc has gone on way too long (the entire summer and counting, even interrupting other story arcs, true to the comic's form), and sees no signs of stopping.
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** Gunther as of the move to college. He's either a LovableNerd or a complete {{Jerkass}}, especially when it comes to his mother's relationship with Mr. Gray and how he treats Tiffany's relationship with Les.
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** Gunther as of the move to college. He's either a LovableNerd or a complete {{Jerkass}}, especially when it comes to his mother's relationship with Mr. Gray and how he treats Tiffany's relationship with Les. [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap He has stopped being this after his CharacterDevelopment since starting his relationship with Bets]].
** Bernice's career path of being a guidance counselor, given her unsympathetic behavior.
** Stef's boyfriend Kip. Not so much due to him (though his lack of personality doesn't help matters), but for the fact that his mere presence brings Tiffany's story arcs and CharacterDevelopment to a screeching halt just so she can waste time trying to unsuccessfully seduce him. This has happened at least three times, with the latest one being the worst.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Not from the tone or characters (though everyone has their moments of [[{{Jerkass}} cruelty]], but from the wasted potential. The comic has a tendency to either remove interesting characters (Crystal and Knute), bring back bland, uninteresting characters for the sake of filler (Ann Eiffel and Piro), abruptly stop interesting story arcs (the supposed break-in at Tiffany's mansion), or have WillTheyOrWontThey ShipTease that either doesn't go anywhere, or leads to a very short-lived relationship (pick one).
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Not from the tone or characters (though almost everyone has their moments of [[{{Jerkass}} cruelty]], but from the wasted potential. The comic has a tendency to either remove interesting characters (Crystal and Knute), bring back bland, uninteresting characters for the sake of filler (Ann Eiffel and Piro), abruptly stop interesting story arcs (the supposed break-in at Tiffany's mansion), or have WillTheyOrWontThey ShipTease that either doesn't go anywhere, or leads to a very short-lived relationship (pick one).
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** Tara bringing a bow and arrow into Luann's daycare class and getting away scot-free comes off as incredibly insensitive, given the rising number of school shootings in the US.
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* Wangst: Stef is a master of this, acting like her roommates are so unfair for not catering to her every whim, or letting her take everything from them for her own use.
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* Wangst: {{Wangst}}: Stef is a master of this, acting like her roommates are so unfair for not catering to her every whim, or letting her take everything from them for her own use.
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* CharacterDerailment: Summer 2023 and onwards saw Tiffany go from being a complex, interesting character with flaws and insecurities of her own, who just so happened to try to seduce Stef's boyfriend Kip away from her every once in a while; to being a delusional, attempted-homewrecking slut who not only was completely obsessed with trying to seduce Kip, but also completely believed that ''he'' was the one hitting on ''her''.
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* Wangst: Stef is a master of this, acting like her roommates are so unfair for not catering to her every whim, or letting her take everything from them for her own use.
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* CharacterDerailment: Summer 2023 and onwards saw Tiffany go from being a complex, interesting character with flaws and insecurities of her own, who just so happened to try to seduce Stef's boyfriend Kip away from her every once in a while; to being a delusional, attempted-homewrecking slut who not only was completely obsessed with trying to seduce Kip, but also completely believed that ''he'' was the one hitting on ''her''.
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** The supposed break-in at Tiffany's mansion, which added a good mystery to the story, was abruptly stopped, with no sign of returning.
* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Not from the tone or characters (though everyone has their moments of [[{{Jerkass}} cruelty]], but from the wasted potential. The comic has a tendency to either remove interesting characters (Crystal and Knute), bring back bland, uninteresting characters for the sake of filler (Ann Eiffel and Piro), abruptly stop interesting story arcs (the supposed break-in at Tiffany's mansion), or have WillTheyOrWontThey ShipTease that either doesn't go anywhere, or leads to a very short-lived relationship (pick one).
* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Not from the tone or characters (though everyone has their moments of [[{{Jerkass}} cruelty]], but from the wasted potential. The comic has a tendency to either remove interesting characters (Crystal and Knute), bring back bland, uninteresting characters for the sake of filler (Ann Eiffel and Piro), abruptly stop interesting story arcs (the supposed break-in at Tiffany's mansion), or have WillTheyOrWontThey ShipTease that either doesn't go anywhere, or leads to a very short-lived relationship (pick one).
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** Tiffany during the dunk tank fundraiser. The comic acts like it's her fault for bailing when all Luann and Bernice had to do was fill the tank with warm water. They didn't, then put the blame solely on her for leaving. What makes it worse is that this was to support Delta, meaning they put bullying someone who had previously bullied them, even though she wasn't being mean at the moment, above helping a friend.
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** Tiffany during the dunk tank fundraiser. The comic acts like it's her fault for bailing when all Luann and Bernice had to do was fill the tank with warm water. They didn't, didn't (but lied to her and said that they had), then put the blame solely on her for leaving. What makes it worse is that this was to support Delta, meaning they put bullying someone who had previously bullied them, even though she wasn't being mean at the moment, above helping a friend.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Gunther went through major character development from dating Bets, even his jealousy towards Les and Tiffany went away.
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** Tara is an authority-hating delinquent who acts like a smug jerk and talks Luann into committing crimes. The fact that she gets no comeuppance just makes it worse.
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** Tara is an authority-hating delinquent who acts like a smug jerk and talks Luann into committing crimes. The fact that [[KarmaHoudini she gets no comeuppance comeuppance]] just makes it worse.
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** Ox's crush on Tiffany could lead to them being a couple, with him improving her self esteem, stopping her whining about being single, and putting a stop to her numerous attempts to steal Kip away from Stef. This never went anywhere.
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** Ox's crush on Tiffany could lead to them being a couple, with him improving her self esteem, stopping her whining about being single, and putting a stop to her numerous attempts to steal Kip away from Stef. This never went anywhere.anywhere, and probably never will.
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** Tara may be an authority-hating, law-breaking delinquent, but her bad family life makes her at least a little sympathetic. [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse It still doesn't excuse her actions, though]].
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** Tara is an authority-hating delinquent who acts like a smug jerk and talks Luann into committing crimes. The fact that she gets no comeuppance just makes it worse.
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** Tiffany during the dunk tank fundraiser. The comic acts like it's her fault for bailing when all Luann and Bernice had to do was fill the tank with warm water. They didn't, then put the blame solely on her for leaving. What makes it worse is that this was to support Delta, meaning they put bullying someone who had previously bullied them, even though she wasn't being mean at the moment, above helping a friend.
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* TheWoobie: Ox's unrequited crush on Tiffany makes him this. You just want to give the guy a hug (then tell Tiffany to stop trying to seduce Kip and date Ox already).
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** Jack and Luann have chemistry, and could make a good couple. Instead, they're just friends.