History YMMV / LoveHina

18th May '17 10:30:25 AM AndyLA
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*** The manga has [[DuelingDubs two complete English translations]], each with its own positives and negatives. The Tokyopop translation has a natural flow to it, but suffers from severe lack of proofreading (Volumes 2-5 and 9 in particular) as well as a LostInTranslation issue near the end due to adapting a term early on that later turned out to be a plot-important multi-level pun. The Kodansha translation by the Nibley sisters has much better editing but is rather literalist and tends to come off stilted as a result.

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*** The manga has [[DuelingDubs two complete English translations]], each with its own positives and negatives. The Tokyopop translation has a natural flow to it, but suffers from severe lack of proofreading (Volumes 2-5 and 9 in particular) as well as a LostInTranslation issue near the end due to adapting a term early on that later turned out to be a plot-important multi-level pun.pun[[note]][[spoiler:see IncrediblyLamePun on the main page. For more context: Tokyo University is consistently mentioned in the original as ''Todai'', a shortened form of its name in Japanese - ''Tokyo Daigaku'' - , but in this translation the terminology used was "Tokyo U"]][[/note]]. The Kodansha translation by the Nibley sisters has much better editing but is rather literalist and tends to come off stilted as a result.
15th May '17 2:02:42 PM PrincessGwen
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* BrokenAesop:
** The idea is that ''everything'' is possible if you try your hardest, even getting into Japan's top university and charming a really hot girl, even though you're a total loser. However, while Keitaro does start off as a really pathetic individual, it does not take long before he turns out to not only be [[BeautifulAllAlong handsome]] but also a gifted archeologist and martial artist. You'd ''expect'' someone who is not really cool or talented to captivate through {{determinat|or}}ion and [[{{Adorkable}} charm]]. While Keitaro is very determined, his defeatist, whiny and relatively immature personality, as well as his tremendous clumsiness deeply annoy the girls... It's only when he drops his usual act that the females show ''any attraction'' for him, often pointing out that he is very handsome when he is not being annoying. Ultimately, instead of ''Manga/LoveHina'' being about an underdog accomplishing goals far beyond his reach through {{determinat|or}}ion and ThePowerOfLove, it's actually about someone who was CrazyAwesome from the start but never had the proper motivation to unlock his potential until he met the girl.
** Alternatively the Aesop could be "if someone berates, insults, hits, and abuses you, keep attempting to date that person. You'll find true love in the end."
15th May '17 11:02:11 AM PrincessGwen
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: [[ZigZaggingTrope Zigzagged]]. While ''Love Hina'' shares a considerable number of clichés with modern works (like the tsundere lead girl and the accidental pervert guy), still has some refreshing ideas. While most of harems are set in a school environment with teenagers, Love Hina is set in a post-school setting (from Keitaro perspective) in a Inn with young adults and teenagers. Also, Love Hina never was a full-fledged harem series, considering [[spoiler:Keitaro choose Narusegawa since the beginning and most of the girls are rooting for they become a couple or at the best waiting for a chance if Keitaro change his mind]], while most of harems after it the main character is unsure about which girl to choose.

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: [[ZigZaggingTrope Zigzagged]]. While ''Love Hina'' shares a considerable number of clichés with modern works (like the tsundere lead girl and the accidental pervert guy), still has some refreshing ideas. While most of harems are set in a school environment with teenagers, Love Hina is set in a post-school setting (from Keitaro Keitaro's perspective) in a Inn an inn with young adults and teenagers. Also, Love Hina never was a full-fledged fully-fledged harem series, considering [[spoiler:Keitaro choose chose Narusegawa since the beginning and most of the girls are rooting for they them to become a couple or at the best waiting for a chance if Keitaro change changes his mind]], while most of harems after it have the main character is unsure about which girl to choose.
26th Apr '17 9:12:36 PM AdamC
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* BrokenAesop: the idea is that ''everything'' is possible if you try your hardest, even getting into Japan's top university and charming a really hot girl, even though you're a total loser. However, while Keitaro does start off as a really pathetic individual, it does not take long before he turns out to not only be [[BeautifulAllAlong handsome]] but also a gifted archeologist and martial artist. You'd ''expect'' someone who is not really cool or talented to captivate through {{determinat|or}}ion and [[{{Adorkable}} charm]]. While Keitaro is very determined, his defeatist, whiny and relatively immature personality, as well as his tremendous clumsiness deeply annoy the girls... It's only when he drops his usual act that the females show ''any attraction'' for him, often pointing out that he is very handsome when he is not being annoying. Ultimately, instead of ''Manga/LoveHina'' being about an underdog accomplishing goals far beyond his reach through {{determinat|or}}ion and ThePowerOfLove, it's actually about someone who was CrazyAwesome from the start but never had the proper motivation to unlock his potential until he met the girl. I copy pasted it from Broken Aesop because it deserved to be here.

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* BrokenAesop: the BrokenAesop:
** The
idea is that ''everything'' is possible if you try your hardest, even getting into Japan's top university and charming a really hot girl, even though you're a total loser. However, while Keitaro does start off as a really pathetic individual, it does not take long before he turns out to not only be [[BeautifulAllAlong handsome]] but also a gifted archeologist and martial artist. You'd ''expect'' someone who is not really cool or talented to captivate through {{determinat|or}}ion and [[{{Adorkable}} charm]]. While Keitaro is very determined, his defeatist, whiny and relatively immature personality, as well as his tremendous clumsiness deeply annoy the girls... It's only when he drops his usual act that the females show ''any attraction'' for him, often pointing out that he is very handsome when he is not being annoying. Ultimately, instead of ''Manga/LoveHina'' being about an underdog accomplishing goals far beyond his reach through {{determinat|or}}ion and ThePowerOfLove, it's actually about someone who was CrazyAwesome from the start but never had the proper motivation to unlock his potential until he met the girl. I copy pasted it from Broken girl.
** Alternatively the
Aesop because it deserved could be "if someone berates, insults, hits, and abuses you, keep attempting to be here.date that person. You'll find true love in the end."
3rd Apr '17 8:41:36 PM mizorefan
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* TakeThatScrappy: Despite Kanako being a BaseBreakingCharacter, a lot of people cheered when she punched Naru in the face, specifically because of how often Naru did it to Keitaro.

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* TakeThatScrappy: Despite both Kanako and Naru being a BaseBreakingCharacter, a lot of people cheered when she punched Naru in the face, specifically because of how often Naru did it to Keitaro.
29th Mar '17 12:06:37 AM mizorefan
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* CaptainObviousReveal:
** Naru is [[spoiler:the promise girl. Hinted at the beginning of the story but only confirmed in the last chapter]].
** Keitaro and Kanako [[spoiler:are not blood related]].



* TakeThatScrappy: While Kanako wasn't a popular character herself by any means, a lot of people cheered when she punched Naru in the face, specifically because of how often Naru did it to Keitaro.

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* TakeThatScrappy: While Despite Kanako wasn't being a popular character herself by any means, BaseBreakingCharacter, a lot of people cheered when she punched Naru in the face, specifically because of how often Naru did it to Keitaro.
15th Mar '17 5:35:26 PM mizorefan
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* ItWasHisSled: It's common knowledge between anime/manga fans[[spoiler:Keitaro marries Naru in the end as show in the cover art of last volume]].

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* ItWasHisSled: It's common knowledge between anime/manga fans[[spoiler:Keitaro fans [[spoiler:Keitaro marries Naru in the end as show in the cover art of last volume]].
15th Mar '17 5:35:04 PM mizorefan
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* ItWasHisSled: It's common knowledge between anime/manga fans[[spoiler:Keitaro marries Naru in the end as show in the cover art of last volume]].



* ValuesDissonance: The fact that the majority of the cast is under 18 yet not living with their parents or family will raise a bit of eyebrows in the west - one can argue for Naru being emancipated, but not so much for the others - ''especially'' Su.

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* ValuesDissonance: ValuesDissonance:
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The fact that the majority of the cast is under 18 yet not living with their parents or family will raise a bit of eyebrows in the west - one can argue for Naru being emancipated, but not so much for the others - ''especially'' Su.[[ManChild Su]].
11th Mar '17 4:56:56 PM mizorefan
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Thanks for being one of the first popular anime from its genre to be subbed during the anime boom in the 2000s, some fans never read or never knew the existence of the original manga version. Also, the fact of manga being out of print in some regions doesn't help.



* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Yes, if you just started reading or watching it today, it just seems like another cliché harem anime. This mainly comes from the fact that the show redefined nearly every rule of modern anime romance/harem comedy, and has been copied relentlessly since (this includes the nowadays more and more dreaded UnprovokedPervertPayback trope which defined the HaremGenre for at least a decade after this manga).

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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Yes, if you just started reading or watching it today, it just seems like another cliché harem anime. This mainly comes from the fact that the show redefined nearly every rule [[ZigZaggingTrope Zigzagged]]. While ''Love Hina'' shares a considerable number of clichés with modern anime romance/harem comedy, works (like the tsundere lead girl and the accidental pervert guy), still has been copied relentlessly some refreshing ideas. While most of harems are set in a school environment with teenagers, Love Hina is set in a post-school setting (from Keitaro perspective) in a Inn with young adults and teenagers. Also, Love Hina never was a full-fledged harem series, considering [[spoiler:Keitaro choose Narusegawa since (this includes the nowadays more beginning and more dreaded UnprovokedPervertPayback trope most of the girls are rooting for they become a couple or at the best waiting for a chance if Keitaro change his mind]], while most of harems after it the main character is unsure about which defined the HaremGenre for at least a decade after this manga).girl to choose.
31st Jan '17 2:05:33 AM EvilKid
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* BrokenAesop: the idea is that ''everything'' is possible if you try your hardest, even getting into Japan's top university and charming a really hot girl, even though you're a total loser. However, while Keitaro does start off as a really pathetic individual, it does not take long before he turns out to not only be [[BeautifulAllAlong handsome]] but also a gifted archeologist and martial artist. You'd ''expect'' someone who is not really cool or talented to captivate through {{determinat|or}}ion and [[{{Adorkable}} charm]]. While Keitaro is very determined, his defeatist, whiny and relatively immature personality, as well as his tremendous clumsiness deeply annoy the girls... It's only when he drops his usual act that the females show ''any attraction'' for him, often pointing out that he is very handsome when he is not being annoying. Ultimately, instead of ''Manga/LoveHina'' being about an underdog accomplishing goals far beyond his reach through {{determinat|or}}ion and ThePowerOfLove, it's actually about someone who was CrazyAwesome from the start but never had the proper motivation to unlock his potential until he met the girl. I copy pasted it from Broken Aesop because it deserved to be here.
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