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* NightmareFuel: If you had nightmares from ''Film/FlagsOfOurFathers'', you ain't seen nothing yet. The most horrific scene? Some of the Japanese soldiers commit suicide by holding ''their active grenades to their bodies.'' while you are almost yelling, "Idiots, your commander told you ''not to do this!''"
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* NightmareFuel: If you had nightmares from ''Film/FlagsOfOurFathers'', you ain't seen nothing yet. The most horrific scene? Some of the Japanese soldiers commit suicide by holding ''their active grenades to their bodies.'' while you are almost yelling, "Idiots, your commander told you ''not to do this!''"
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* MagnificentBastard: General Kuribayashi is an experienced officer in the Imperial Japanese Army who firmly believes in the principle of MyCountryRightOrWrong. As a worldly OfficerAndAGentleman who unlike many of his colleagues has actually visited the United States, Kuribayashi is firmly aware of the awesome American industrial and military strength and consigns himself to defending the island of Iwo Jima in a LastStand. Kuribayashi's defensive tactics by utilizing Mount Suribachi's cave network and forbidding his soldiers from killing themselves or engaging in suicide attacks ends up causing disproportionately high casualties among the invaders. Fatally wounded after Kuribayashi and his last men charge the Americans, he instructs a peasant soldier he befriended during the battle with hiding his body from the enemy. Despite fighting for a losing genocidal empire, Kuribayashi retains an astonishing sense of dignity and military cunning.
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* HeReallyCanAct: Did you know Saigo is played by Kazunari Ninomiya of the ''boyband'' Arashi?
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* FridgeHorror: The American soldier, "Sam", wounded by Colonel Nishi then brought in is clearly scared shitless. He would have no doubt heard stories (all of them true, unfortunately) of Japanese soldiers brutality towards POW's (or seen the results first-hand), but FreezeFrameBonus reveals he is also a ''flamethrower operator.'' In the Soviet-German and Japanese-American theatres, extraordinarily few flamethrower-men were ever taken prisoner [[SarcasmMode for some strange reason]].
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* FridgeHorror: The American soldier, "Sam", wounded by Colonel Nishi then brought in is clearly scared shitless. He would have no doubt heard stories (all of them true, unfortunately) of Japanese soldiers brutality towards POW's (or seen the results first-hand), but FreezeFrameBonus reveals he is also a ''flamethrower operator.'' In the Soviet-German and Japanese-American theatres, extraordinarily few flamethrower-men were ever taken prisoner [[SarcasmMode for some strange reason]].prisoner.
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* NightmareFuel: If you had nightmares from ''Film/FlagsOfOurFathers'', you ain't seen nothing yet. The most horrific scene? [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsIMbhDJ7k Some of the Japanese soldiers commit suicide]] by holding ''their active grenades to their bodies.'' while you are almost yelling, "Idiots, your commander told you ''not to do this!''"
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* NightmareFuel: If you had nightmares from ''Film/FlagsOfOurFathers'', you ain't seen nothing yet. The most horrific scene? [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsIMbhDJ7k Some of the Japanese soldiers commit suicide]] suicide by holding ''their active grenades to their bodies.'' while you are almost yelling, "Idiots, your commander told you ''not to do this!''"
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* FridgeHorror: The American soldier, "Sam", wounded by Colonel Nishi then brought in is clearly scared shitless. He would have no doubt heard stories (often true, unfortunately) of Japanese soldiers brutality towards American POW's (or seen the results first-hand), but FreezeFrameBonus reveals he is also a ''flamethrower operator.'' In the Soviet-German and Japanese-American theatres, extraordinarily few flamethrower-men were ever taken prisoner [[SarcasmMode for some strange reason]].
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* FridgeHorror: The American soldier, "Sam", wounded by Colonel Nishi then brought in is clearly scared shitless. He would have no doubt heard stories (often (all of them true, unfortunately) of Japanese soldiers brutality towards American POW's (or seen the results first-hand), but FreezeFrameBonus reveals he is also a ''flamethrower operator.'' In the Soviet-German and Japanese-American theatres, extraordinarily few flamethrower-men were ever taken prisoner [[SarcasmMode for some strange reason]].
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* FridgeHorror: The American soldier, "Sam", wounded by Colonel Nishi then brought in is clearly scared shitless. He would have no doubt heard stories (often true, unfortunately) of Japanese soldiers brutality towards American POW's (or seen the results first-hand), but FreezeFrameBonus reveals he is also a ''flamethrower operator.'' In the Soviet-German and Japanese-American theatres, extraordinarily few flamethrower men were ever taken prisoner [[SarcasmMode for some strange reason]].
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* FridgeHorror: The American soldier, "Sam", wounded by Colonel Nishi then brought in is clearly scared shitless. He would have no doubt heard stories (often true, unfortunately) of Japanese soldiers brutality towards American POW's (or seen the results first-hand), but FreezeFrameBonus reveals he is also a ''flamethrower operator.'' In the Soviet-German and Japanese-American theatres, extraordinarily few flamethrower men flamethrower-men were ever taken prisoner [[SarcasmMode for some strange reason]].
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* FridgeHorror: The American soldier, "Sam", wounded by Colonel Nishi then brought in is clearly scared shitless. He would have no doubt heard stories (often true, unfortunately) of Japanese soldiers brutality towards American POW's (or seen the results first-hand), but FreezeFrameBonus reveals he is also a ''flamethrower operator.'' Given the horrific death inflicted on soldiers at the wrong end of them, it's no wonder he's terrified of retribution.
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* FridgeHorror: The American soldier, "Sam", wounded by Colonel Nishi then brought in is clearly scared shitless. He would have no doubt heard stories (often true, unfortunately) of Japanese soldiers brutality towards American POW's (or seen the results first-hand), but FreezeFrameBonus reveals he is also a ''flamethrower operator.'' Given In the horrific death inflicted on soldiers at the wrong end of them, it's no wonder he's terrified of retribution.Soviet-German and Japanese-American theatres, extraordinarily few flamethrower men were ever taken prisoner [[SarcasmMode for some strange reason]].
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* FridgeHorror: The American soldier wounded by Colonel Nishi then brought in is clearly scared shitless. He would have no doubt heard stories (often true, unfortunately) of Japanese soldiers brutality towards American POW's (or seen the results first-hand), but FreezeFrameBonus reveals he is also a ''flamethrower operator.'' Given the horrific death inflicted on soldiers at the wrong end of them, it's no wonder he's terrified of retribution.
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* FridgeHorror: The American soldier soldier, "Sam", wounded by Colonel Nishi then brought in is clearly scared shitless. He would have no doubt heard stories (often true, unfortunately) of Japanese soldiers brutality towards American POW's (or seen the results first-hand), but FreezeFrameBonus reveals he is also a ''flamethrower operator.'' Given the horrific death inflicted on soldiers at the wrong end of them, it's no wonder he's terrified of retribution.
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* NightmareFuel: If you had nightmares from ''FlagsOfOurFathers'', you ain't seen nothing yet. The most horrific scene? [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsIMbhDJ7k Some of the Japanese soldiers commit suicide]] by holding ''their active grenades to their bodies.'' while you are almost yelling, "Idiots, your commander told you ''not to do this!''"
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* NightmareFuel: If you had nightmares from ''FlagsOfOurFathers'', ''Film/FlagsOfOurFathers'', you ain't seen nothing yet. The most horrific scene? [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsIMbhDJ7k Some of the Japanese soldiers commit suicide]] by holding ''their active grenades to their bodies.'' while you are almost yelling, "Idiots, your commander told you ''not to do this!''"
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* FridgeHorror: The American soldier wounded by Colonel Nishi then brought in is clearly scared shitless. He would have no doubt heard stories (often true, unfortunately) of Japanese soldiers brutality towards American POW's (or seen the results first-hand), but FreezeFrameBonus reveals he is also a ''flamethrower operator.'' Given the horrific death inflicted on soldiers at the wrong end of them, it's no wonder he's terrified of retribution.
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** Near the ending where Saigo cried when General Kuribayashi committed suicide, after telling him that Iwo Jima was still considered Japanese soil.
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** Near the ending where Saigo cried when General Kuribayashi committed suicide, after telling him that Iwo Jima was still considered Japanese soil.
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** Near the ending where Saigo cried when General Kuribayashi committed suicide, after telling him that Iwo Jima was still considered Japanese soil.soil.
** After Sam's death, when his mother's letter is read to the cave soldiers, reminding them that their enemy is as human as they are.
** After Sam's death, when his mother's letter is read to the cave soldiers, reminding them that their enemy is as human as they are.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lt. Ito: The film makes him look like a DirtyCoward, but the real soldier he was based on was genuinely trying to ambush a tank but was disabled by sunstroke while playing possum.
** Some people feel it looked like that in the film too--he did have explosives strapped to his chest while he was lying there, after all.
** Some people feel it looked like that in the film too--he did have explosives strapped to his chest while he was lying there, after all.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lt. Ito: The film makes him look like Some characters think he was a DirtyCoward, but the real soldier he was based on was genuinely trying to ambush a tank but was disabled by sunstroke while playing possum.
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* CompleteMonster: Iwo Jima's summit is captured on Captain Tanida's watch, resulting in the [[FlagsOfOurFathers iconic flag raising]]. What does he do when Kuribayashi orders him to fall back? Obey him and take his men down hill to fight another day? Disregard Kuribayashi's orders and take the fight to the Americans on the hill as a last act of spite for raising a flag there on his watch? Nope. He lies through his teeth to his own men about the General's orders and [[MoralEventHorizon commands them to pointlessly kill themselves]] [[ValuesDissonance out of an insane sense of self-flaggelation for disgrace]].
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** The entire film, when it's not being horrifying and realistically depicting WarIsHell, has the air of inescapable tragedy as most of the main characters come to terms with their situation, mortality, and the ultimate futility of everything.
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** The entire film, when it's not being horrifying and realistically depicting WarIsHell, has the air of inescapable tragedy as most of the main characters come to terms with their situation, mortality, and the ultimate futility of everything.everything.
** This troper lost it when Saigo cried when General Kuribayashi committed suicide, after telling him that Iwo Jima was still considered Japanese soil.
** This troper lost it when Saigo cried when General Kuribayashi committed suicide, after telling him that Iwo Jima was still considered Japanese soil.
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* TearJerker: The whole thing. The main theme music also works, and there's the "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5QzJ6J9Bo Song for the Defense of Iwo Jima]]", sung by the children of Nagano. Even General Kuribayashi [[ManlyTears sheds a few tears]] listening to it, not to mention the audience.
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* TearJerker: The whole thing. The main theme music also works, and there's the "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5QzJ6J9Bo Song for the Defense of Iwo Jima]]", sung by the children of Nagano. Even General Kuribayashi [[ManlyTears sheds a few tears]] listening to it, not to mention and the audience.
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* HeReallyCanAct: Did you know Saigo is played by Kazunari Ninomiya of the ''boyband'' Arashi?
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* NightmareFuel: If you had nightmares from ''FlagsOfOurFathers'', you ain't seen nothing yet. The most horrific scene? [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsIMbhDJ7k Some of the Japanese soldiers commit suicide]] by holding ''their active grenades to their bodies.'' while you are almost yelling, "Idiots, your commander told you ''not to do this!''
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* NightmareFuel: If you had nightmares from ''FlagsOfOurFathers'', you ain't seen nothing yet. The most horrific scene? [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsIMbhDJ7k Some of the Japanese soldiers commit suicide]] by holding ''their active grenades to their bodies.'' while you are almost yelling, "Idiots, your commander told you ''not to do this!''this!''"
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* CompleteMonster: Iwo Jima's summit is captured on Captain Tanida's watch, resulting in the [[FlagsOfOurFathers iconic flag raising]]. What does he do when Kuribayashi orders him to fall back? Obey him and take his men down hill to fight another day? Disregard Kuribayashi's orders and take the fight to the Americans on the hill as a last act of spite for raising a flag there on his watch? Nope. He lies through his teeth to his own men about the General's orders and [[MoralEventHorizon commands them to pointlessly kill themselves]] [[ValuesDissonance out of an insane sense of self-flaggelation for disgrace]].
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** Some people feel it looked like that in the film too--he did have explosives strapped to his chest why he was lying there, after all.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: If you had nightmares from ''FlagsOfOurFathers'', you ain't seen nothing yet. The most horrific scene? [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsIMbhDJ7k Some of the Japanese soldiers commit suicide]] by holding ''their active grenades to their bodies.'' while you are almost yelling, "Idiots, your commander told you ''not to do this!''
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: NightmareFuel: If you had nightmares from ''FlagsOfOurFathers'', you ain't seen nothing yet. The most horrific scene? [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsIMbhDJ7k Some of the Japanese soldiers commit suicide]] by holding ''their active grenades to their bodies.'' while you are almost yelling, "Idiots, your commander told you ''not to do this!''
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** The scene in which Shimizu and another Japanese POW are executed by two Marines simply because they don't feel like watching over them, and when Saigo finds their bodies.
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** Some people feel it looked like that in the film too--he did have explosives strapped to his chest why he was lying there, after all.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: If you had nightmares from ''FlagsOfOurFathers'', you ain't seen nothing yet. The most horrific scene? [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsIMbhDJ7k Some of the Japanese soldiers commit suicide]] by holding ''their active grenades to their bodies.''
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: If you had nightmares from ''FlagsOfOurFathers'', you ain't seen nothing yet. The most horrific scene? [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDsIMbhDJ7k Some of the Japanese soldiers commit suicide]] by holding ''their active grenades to their bodies.'''' while you are almost yelling, "Idiots, your commander told you ''not to do this!''
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*AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lt. Ito: The film makes him look like a DirtyCoward, but the real soldier he was based on was genuinely trying to ambush a tank but was disabled by sunstroke while playing possum.
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* TearJerker: The whole thing. The main theme music also works, and there's the "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5QzJ6J9Bo Song for the Defense of Iwo Jima]]", sung by the children of Nagano. Even General Kuribayashi [[ManlyTears sheds a few tears]] listening to it, not to mention the audience.
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* TearJerker: The whole thing. The main theme music also works, and there's the "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5QzJ6J9Bo Song for the Defense of Iwo Jima]]", sung by the children of Nagano. Even General Kuribayashi [[ManlyTears sheds a few tears]] listening to it, not to mention the audience.audience.
** The entire film, when it's not being horrifying and realistically depicting WarIsHell, has the air of inescapable tragedy as most of the main characters come to terms with their situation, mortality, and the ultimate futility of everything.
** The entire film, when it's not being horrifying and realistically depicting WarIsHell, has the air of inescapable tragedy as most of the main characters come to terms with their situation, mortality, and the ultimate futility of everything.