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* AcceptableTargets: Even [[ThePollyanna Ray Palmer]] can't put a positive spin on the DMV.
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Sara is shocked to learn that Slade has a son named Grant. Amusingly, she acts surprised that Slade had a son at all, in spite of the fact she knew of his other son Joe.
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* BizarroEpisode: Not at the time, but future seasons across the Arrowverse made it increasingly hard to keep this one making sense in canon. ''Series/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths2019'' finally retconned it as actually taking place on Earth-16 (named after the year it aired).
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* BizarroEpisode: Not at the time, but future seasons across the Arrowverse made it increasingly hard to keep this one making sense in canon. ''Series/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths2019'' finally retconned it as actually taking place on Earth-16 (named after the year it aired).
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* TrappedByMountainLions: The "LoveTriangle" subplot with Kendra, Ray and Jax is probably only done to poke fun at shippers and lambast the RomanticPlotTumor that was recently plaguing ''Series/{{Arrow}}''.
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* TrappedByMountainLions: The "LoveTriangle" LoveTriangle subplot with Kendra, Ray and Jax is probably only done to poke fun at shippers and lambast the RomanticPlotTumor that was recently plaguing ''Series/{{Arrow}}''.
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** All members and allies of Team Arrow are KilledOffForReal in 2046 except Oliver so ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' Season 4's current "Who's in the Grave?" MysteryArc will not be spoiled. The noted exception is Felicity, who is explicitly stated to have survived, but has long since left anyway as she could no longer bear to live in Star City after her friends' deaths, as Felicity was already confirmed to not be the person in the grave. While Connor said that he was old enough at the time when Diggle died, this episode is established as an AlternateTimeline anyway.
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** All members and allies of Team Arrow are KilledOffForReal in 2046 except Oliver so ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' Season 4's current "Who's in the Grave?" MysteryArc mystery will not be spoiled. The noted exception is Felicity, who is explicitly stated to have survived, but has long since left anyway as she could no longer bear to live in Star City after her friends' deaths, as Felicity was already confirmed to not be the person in the grave. While Connor said that he was old enough at the time when Diggle died, this episode is established as an AlternateTimeline anyway.
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* BizarroEpisode: Not at the time, but future seasons across the Arrowverse made it increasingly hard to keep this one making sense in canon. ''Series/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' finally retconned it as actually taking place on Earth-16 (named after the year it aired).
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* BizarroEpisode: Not at the time, but future seasons across the Arrowverse made it increasingly hard to keep this one making sense in canon. ''Series/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' ''Series/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths2019'' finally retconned it as actually taking place on Earth-16 (named after the year it aired).
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* BizarroEpisode: Not at the time, but future seasons across the Arrowverse made it increasingly hard to keep this one making sense in canon. ''Series/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' finally retconned it as actually taking place on Earth-16 (named after the year it aired).
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* CounterpartComparison: Due to being set in a future and the LegacyCharacter thing, a lot of fans are comparing Oliver and Connor to Bruce Wayne and Terry [=McGinnis=] from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond''.
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** Connor Hawke finally comes to the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}, but heavily altered and doesn't join the team.
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** Connor Hawke finally comes to the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}, Series/{{Arrowverse}}, but heavily altered and doesn't join the team.
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** Vandal Savage having nothing to do with 2046 Star City's {{Dystopian}} state. It was established that he has powerful connections all over the world, so why not have him hire, recruit or support the son of the ArchEnemy of the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'s inaugural hero to help his conquest? Doing that would've boost Savage's credibility as a dreaded EvilOverlord in the future.
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** Vandal Savage having nothing to do with 2046 Star City's {{Dystopian}} state. It was established that he has powerful connections all over the world, so why not have him hire, recruit or support the son of the ArchEnemy of the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'s Series/{{Arrowverse}}'s inaugural hero to help his conquest? Doing that would've boost Savage's credibility as a dreaded EvilOverlord in the future.
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** Grant Wilson doesn't get much development; his motive for attacking Star City goes unmentioned, as does any relationship he had with his father, Slade. The character had some nice potential for a {{revenge}} story, seeking to avenge his father's defeat at Oliver's hands and continuing the CycleOfRevenge that began between Oliver and Slade on Lian Yu. Instead, he's a VillainOfTheWeek, remarkable mostly for being Slade's son.
** Slade's status in 2046, and any relationship or impact he had on Grant is left ambiguous. His absence is quite glaring, as he has a good claim on being Oliver's ArchEnemy and has a history with Sara as well.
** Slade's status in 2046, and any relationship or impact he had on Grant is left ambiguous. His absence is quite glaring, as he has a good claim on being Oliver's ArchEnemy and has a history with Sara as well.
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** The changes made to Connor Hawke, including his ethnicity and parentage.
** Oliver finally gets facial hair, but it's a full beard instead of the forked Van Dyke of the comics.
** The changes made to Connor Hawke, including his ethnicity and parentage.
** Oliver finally gets facial hair, but it's a full beard instead of the forked Van Dyke of the comics.
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* TrappedByMountainLions: The "LoveTriangle" subplot with Kendra, Ray and Jax is probably only done to poke fun at shippers and lambast the RomanticPlotTumor that was recently plaguing ''Series/{{Arrow}}''.
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* TrappedByMountainLions: The "LoveTriangle" subplot with Kendra, Ray and Jax is probably only done to poke fun at shippers and lambast the RomanticPlotTumor that was recently plaguing ''Series/{{Arrow}}''.''Series/{{Arrow}}''.
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** Ray was sidelined to fixing the Waverider in a goofy subplot, whereas this episode could have been a perfect time to flesh him out given that a.) this episode takes place in his hometown, and b.) his origins are connected to Slade Wilson as well due to the murder of his fiancee.
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** Ray was sidelined to fixing the Waverider in a goofy subplot, whereas this episode could have been a perfect time to flesh him out given that a.) this episode takes place in his hometown, and b.) his origins are connected to Slade Wilson as well due to the murder of his fiancee. WordOfGod is that they thought of that, but didn't go with it to not make the episode too dark and deep.
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** Vandal Savage having nothing to do with 2046 Star City's {{Dystopian}} state. It was established that he has powerful connections all over the world, so why not have him hire, recruit or support the son of the ArchEnemy of the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'s inaugural hero to help his conquest? Doing that would've boost Savage's credibility as a dreaded EvilOverlord.
** Many believed that Ray should have [[ADayInTheLimelight shared the limelight]] with Sara an this episode as the episode largely focused on their hometown and his OriginStory also being indirectly linked to Slade Wilson.
** Many believed that Ray should have [[ADayInTheLimelight shared the limelight]] with Sara an this episode as the episode largely focused on their hometown and his OriginStory also being indirectly linked to Slade Wilson.
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** Vandal Savage having nothing to do with 2046 Star City's {{Dystopian}} state. It was established that he has powerful connections all over the world, so why not have him hire, recruit or support the son of the ArchEnemy of the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'s inaugural hero to help his conquest? Doing that would've boost Savage's credibility as a dreaded EvilOverlord.
EvilOverlord in the future.
** Many believed that Ray should have [[ADayInTheLimelight shared the limelight]] with Saraan as this episode as the episode largely focused on their hometown and his OriginStory is also being indirectly linked to Slade Wilson.Wilson. WordOfGod is that they thought of that, but didn't go with it to not make the episode too dark and deep.
** Many believed that Ray should have [[ADayInTheLimelight shared the limelight]] with Sara
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* CounterpartComparison: Due to being set in a future and the LegacyCharacter thing, a lot of fans are comparing Oliver and Connor to Bruce Wayne and Terry [=McGinnis=] from ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond''.
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** All members and allies of Team Arrow are KilledOffForReal in 2046 except Oliver so ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' Season 4's current "Who's in the Grave?" MysteryArc will not be spoiled. While Connor said that he was old enough at the time when Diggle died, this episode is established as an AlternateTimeline anyway. The noted exception is Felicity, who is explicitly stated to have survived, but has long since left anyway as she could no longer bear to live in Star City after her friends' deaths. Felicity was already confirmed to not be the person in the grave.
** Barry not showing up for aid since it has been established since ''Series/TheFlash2014''[='=]s PilotEpisode that he will disappear in 2024.
** Barry not showing up for aid since it has been established since ''Series/TheFlash2014''[='=]s PilotEpisode that he will disappear in 2024.
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** All members and allies of Team Arrow are KilledOffForReal in 2046 except Oliver so ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' Season 4's current "Who's in the Grave?" MysteryArc will not be spoiled. The noted exception is Felicity, who is explicitly stated to have survived, but has long since left anyway as she could no longer bear to live in Star City after her friends' deaths, as Felicity was already confirmed to not be the person in the grave. While Connor said that he was old enough at the time when Diggle died, this episode is established as an AlternateTimeline anyway. The noted exception is Felicity, who is explicitly stated to have survived, but has long since left anyway as she could no longer bear to live in Star City after her friends' deaths. Felicity was already confirmed to not be the person in the grave.\n
** Barry not showing up for aidsince as it has been established since ''Series/TheFlash2014''[='=]s PilotEpisode that he will disappear in 2024.
** Barry not showing up for aid
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** Many believed that Ray should have [[ADayInTheLimelight shared the limelight]] with Sara an this episode as the episode largely focused on their hometown and his OriginStory also being indirectly linked to Slade Wilson.
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* AcceptableTargets: Even [[ThePollyanna Ray Palmer]] can't put a positive spin on the DMV.
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** All members and allies of Team Arrow are KilledOffForReal in 2046 except Oliver so ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' Season 4's current "Who's in the Grave?" MysteryArc will not be spoiled. While Connor said that he was old enough at the time when Diggle died, this episode is established as an AlternateTimeline anyway.
*** The noted exception is Felicity, who is explicitly stated to have survived but has long since left anyway as she could no longer bear to live in Star City after her friends' deaths. Felicity was already confirmed to not be the person in the grave.
*** The noted exception is Felicity, who is explicitly stated to have survived but has long since left anyway as she could no longer bear to live in Star City after her friends' deaths. Felicity was already confirmed to not be the person in the grave.
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** All members and allies of Team Arrow are KilledOffForReal in 2046 except Oliver so ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' Season 4's current "Who's in the Grave?" MysteryArc will not be spoiled. While Connor said that he was old enough at the time when Diggle died, this episode is established as an AlternateTimeline anyway. \n*** The noted exception is Felicity, who is explicitly stated to have survived survived, but has long since left anyway as she could no longer bear to live in Star City after her friends' deaths. Felicity was already confirmed to not be the person in the grave.
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***The noted exception is Felicity, who is explicitly stated to have survived but has long since left anyway as she could no longer bear to live in Star City after her friends' deaths. Felicity was already confirmed to not be the person in the grave.
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* SpiritualLicensee: Some fans call this the best episode of ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' in several seasons.
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** Vandal Savage having noting nothing to do with 2046 Star City's {{Dystopian}} state. It was established that he has powerful connections all over the world, so why not have him hire, recruit or support the son of the ArchEnemy of the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'s inaugural hero to help his conquest? Doing that would've boost Savage's credibility as a dreaded EvilOverlord.
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* BrokenBase: The changes made to Connor Hawke, including his ethnicity and parentage.
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** The changes made to Connor Hawke, including his ethnicity and parentage.
** The changes made to Connor Hawke, including his ethnicity and parentage.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Connor Hawke finally comes to the DCW, but heavily altered and doesn't join the team.
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** All members and allies of Team Arrow are KilledOffForReal in 2046 except Oliver so ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' Season 4's current "Who's in the Grave?" MysteryArc will not be spoiled. While Connor said that he was old enough at the time when Diggle died, this episode is established as an AlternateTimeline anyway.
** Barry not showing up for aid since it has been established since ''Series/TheFlash2014''[='=]s PilotEpisode that he will disappear in 2024.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Connor Hawke finally comes to theDCW, Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}, but heavily altered and doesn't join the team.team.
** Ray was sidelined to fixing the Waverider in a goofy subplot, whereas this episode could have been a perfect time to flesh him out given that a.) this episode takes place in his hometown, and b.) his origins are connected to Slade Wilson as well due to the murder of his fiancee.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** Vandal Savage having noting to do with 2046 Star City's {{Dystopian}} state. It was established that he has powerful connections all over the world, so why not have him hire, recruit or support the son of the ArchEnemy of the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'s inaugural hero to help his conquest? Doing that would've boost Savage's credibility as a dreaded EvilOverlord.
* TrappedByMountainLions: The "LoveTriangle" subplot with Kendra, Ray and Jax is probably only done to poke fun at shippers and lambast the RomanticPlotTumor that was recently plaguing ''Series/{{Arrow}}''.
** All members and allies of Team Arrow are KilledOffForReal in 2046 except Oliver so ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' Season 4's current "Who's in the Grave?" MysteryArc will not be spoiled. While Connor said that he was old enough at the time when Diggle died, this episode is established as an AlternateTimeline anyway.
** Barry not showing up for aid since it has been established since ''Series/TheFlash2014''[='=]s PilotEpisode that he will disappear in 2024.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Connor Hawke finally comes to the
** Ray was sidelined to fixing the Waverider in a goofy subplot, whereas this episode could have been a perfect time to flesh him out given that a.) this episode takes place in his hometown, and b.) his origins are connected to Slade Wilson as well due to the murder of his fiancee.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** Vandal Savage having noting to do with 2046 Star City's {{Dystopian}} state. It was established that he has powerful connections all over the world, so why not have him hire, recruit or support the son of the ArchEnemy of the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'s inaugural hero to help his conquest? Doing that would've boost Savage's credibility as a dreaded EvilOverlord.
* TrappedByMountainLions: The "LoveTriangle" subplot with Kendra, Ray and Jax is probably only done to poke fun at shippers and lambast the RomanticPlotTumor that was recently plaguing ''Series/{{Arrow}}''.
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* BrokenBase: The changes made to Connor Hawke, including his ethnicity and parentage.
** Oliver finally gets facial hair, but it's a full beard instead of the forked Van Dyke of the comics.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Connor Hawke finally comes to the DCW, but heavily altered and doesn't join the team.
** Oliver finally gets facial hair, but it's a full beard instead of the forked Van Dyke of the comics.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Connor Hawke finally comes to the DCW, but heavily altered and doesn't join the team.