History YMMV / KISS

9th Feb '18 6:33:53 PM MeatWisdom
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* ReclusiveArtist: Vinnie Vincent was not seen publicly from 1996 until January ''2018''. He returned to the public eye at the Atlanta KISS Expo (brought on by months of gentle prodding from a major fan, through Vincent's lawyer), and explained that his 22 year absence was a combination of his lengthy lawsuit against his former band, an abysmal marriage to his now deceased second wife, a disdain for social media, and a general feeling that no one cared about him anymore. Needless to say, he was wrong on that last part, as he got a warm reception, and even had fans fly in from all over the world to see and meet him (including one fan from Australia who had the autograph of every member of KISS except for his).
17th Dec '17 5:57:06 PM Scraggle
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*** [[MathematiciansAnswer Yes]].



* BasedOnAGreatBigLie: Think "Beth" is drummer Peter Criss' step-it-up moment not just as a singer, but also as a songwriter? Paul Stanley doesn't think so. He has claimed that it was actually Criss' credited co-songwriter Stan Penridge who wrote it, justifying this by saying "Peter can't write a song, because Peter doesn't play an instrument." Naturally, Peter thinks this statement is nothing but BS.
* BrilliantButLazy: Ace, as characterized by both Peter and Paul in their autobiographies, he would often refuse to move band equipment with the rest of the band and was well-known for showing up late to recording sessions.



* ExecutiveMeddling: One of the contributing factors to ''Music From "The Elder"'''s failure - the track order was meddled with by the studio to put the singles closer to the start. On any other KISS album, that might not have mattered, but on a ConceptAlbum, it made the storyline almost impossible to follow. (The correct track order was restored when the album was reissued on CD.)
* FaceOfTheBand: Simmons and Stanley, particulary the former; justified as they're the only original members still in the band.

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* ExecutiveMeddling: One of the contributing factors to ''Music From "The Elder"'''s failure - the track order was meddled with by the studio to put the singles closer to the start. On any other KISS album, that might not have mattered, but on a ConceptAlbum, it made the storyline almost impossible to follow. (The correct track order was restored when the album was reissued on CD.)
* FaceOfTheBand: Simmons and Stanley, particulary particularly the former; justified as they're the only original members still in the band.



* TheHedonist: Frehley; he's not only had tons of dames, but unlike Simmons, you must also throw in booze, drugs, smoking, hard partying, gambling, etc... to the equation.
** Criss as well, his book goes into considerable detail on his numerous sexual exploits and all the drugs he was taking.



* ThePrimaDonna: Stanley and Simmons have stated how horribly difficult it was to collaborate with Vinnie Vincent, although some say it was partly their own fault.
** In a quote from Vincent in an interview with Kerrang! he says that he felt responsible for giving them "a musical credibility that they'd never had before" but felt that they weren't letting him get the recognition he felt he deserved.
** Stanley also has this opinion on Criss, in his 2014 autobiography he claimed that Criss made many unreasonable requests and was often painful to work with(particularly in the reunion tour and onwards)
12th Dec '17 10:27:30 AM Anddrix
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** Mark St. John after his death in 2007 sort of became this, although the debate of who's the best KISS guitarist will go around forever. Most fans universally agree he was a ''DAMN'' good guitar player, and perhaps the most technically skilled guitarist KISS ever had (aside from maybe Vinnie Vincent, whose style was far more [[LoveItOrHateIt divisive]]).

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** Mark St. John after his death in 2007 sort of became this, although the debate of who's the best KISS guitarist will go around forever. Most fans universally agree he was a ''DAMN'' good guitar player, and perhaps the most technically skilled guitarist KISS ever had (aside from maybe Vinnie Vincent, whose style was far more [[LoveItOrHateIt divisive]]).divisive).
15th Nov '17 1:33:48 PM Ezclee4050
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* CounterpartComparison: They have some odd and interesting parallels to Music/TheRamones. New York-based (with several Jewish members), built around a simple, memorable gimmick (wearing makeup/everyone having the same last name), generally being well-behaved despite their wild image but with one member who indulged heavily in ArtisticStimulation (Ace Frehley/Dee Dee Ramone), initially dismissed as novelties but now considered icons.
31st Jul '17 9:21:48 PM PeaceAndLove
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*** [[MathmaticiansAnswer Yes]].

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*** [[MathmaticiansAnswer [[MathematiciansAnswer Yes]].
23rd Jul '17 9:48:34 PM SPBurke
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*** [[MathmaticiansAnswer Yes]].
19th Jun '17 8:37:31 AM BlackSwan81
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* InternetBackdraft: There must be some unwritten internet rule that every Kiss video on YouTube must have more comments attacking the current lineup (namely Singer and Thayer) than talking about the band in the actual video.
6th Jun '17 9:41:18 AM SnowHesher
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** The song "Shandi" was a huge hit in Australia, and to this day the band always performs it during live performances in that country. In the United States, "Shandi" is a mostly-forgotten song and only reached 47 on the Billboard charts at the time of its release.
1st Jun '17 12:06:07 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* NeverLiveItDown: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jzve-Tmd70 Their 1978 interview]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvFNs3_uaUg with Tom Snyder]]. It was one of their biggest publicity fiascoes because, contrary to the band's original intentions, it exposed to the audience their true personalities for the first time. The interview was supposed to showcase the members as serious, respectable musicians with a personal mystique on par with the Beatles or the Who, but as the program went on, one could see the nasty inner tensions simmering between the original members as well as their personal flaws; e.g. Simmons' self-important dickishness and Frehley's irresponsible but incredibly hilarious party-hearty drunkenness. You can even see how Simmons is fuming over how Frehley's behavior accidentally stole the spotlight everytime, earning most of TomSnyder's attention and (undeservedly) endearing Ace to the fans even more.

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* NeverLiveItDown: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jzve-Tmd70 Their 1978 interview]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvFNs3_uaUg with Tom Snyder]]. It was one of their biggest publicity fiascoes because, contrary to the band's original intentions, it exposed to the audience their true personalities for the first time. The interview was supposed to showcase the members as serious, respectable musicians with a personal mystique on par with the Beatles Music/TheBeatles or the Who, Music/TheWho, but as the program went on, one could see the nasty inner tensions simmering between the original members as well as their personal flaws; e.g. Simmons' self-important dickishness and Frehley's irresponsible but incredibly hilarious party-hearty drunkenness. You can even see how Simmons is fuming over how Frehley's behavior accidentally stole the spotlight everytime, earning most of TomSnyder's attention and (undeservedly) endearing Ace to the fans even more.
18th May '17 2:59:46 PM TroperBeDoper
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::: ''Dynasty'': it's unarguable that it was perhaps the biggest commercially successful studio album in the entire history of the band (if one ignores the ''Alive'' compilations), but what most people don't know is that, in the long run, ''Dynasty'' itself ''almost destroyed the band when it was first released''. With [[NewSoundAlbum the shift to the far more mainstream disco genre]], although the album proved to be a commercial success, it pretty much alienated the fans that had followed the band since its early beginnings, resulting in nearly empty arenas and stadiums when the band went on tour, something unheard of when it came to KISS concerts and their particular fame.[[note]]In fact, they ''lost'' money during this tour, as each concert cost no less than ''ONE million dollars each'' ![[/note]]
::: ''Unmasked'': After promising a return to the heavier sound they were known for they proceeded to release ''Unmasked'', which was a critical flop due to the still present "pop sound". To make matters worse, the following album was...
::: The (''in'')famous ''Music from "The Elder"'': The band's ConceptAlbum proved to be a catastrophic commercial ''and'' critical flop which lead to the outright cancellation of the album's tour, once again a first for any KISS release.
::: ''Creatures of the Night'', while successful critically due to being the heaviest KISS album yet and featuring the band's strongest songs in some time, didn't fare any better on the commercial and on the tour side of things (many people also attribute this to two founding members, lead guitarist Ace Frehley and drummer Peter Criss leaving the band around the same time).
::: ...And ''finally'', they remove their makeup and released ''Lick It Up,'' which didn't chart very high, but was still certified gold within a few months of release. This is largely considered attributable to publicity generated by the band's decision to do away with the makeup and costumes concurrent with the album's release. Then ''Animalize'' was released, went gold quickly, and the band's finances were back at normal (excluding contractual issues with Vinnie Vincent and health issues with Mark St. John), although sell-out concerts would still elude them for one more album, finally going to back to their usual tour success with ''Crazy Nights''.

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::: ''Dynasty'': it's ***''Dynasty'': It's unarguable that it was perhaps the biggest commercially successful studio album in the entire history of the band (if one ignores the ''Alive'' compilations), but what most people don't know is that, in the long run, ''Dynasty'' itself ''almost destroyed the band when it was first released''. With [[NewSoundAlbum the shift to the far more mainstream disco genre]], although the album proved to be a commercial success, it pretty much alienated the fans that had followed the band since its early beginnings, resulting in nearly empty arenas and stadiums when the band went on tour, something unheard of when it came to KISS concerts and their particular fame.[[note]]In fact, they ''lost'' money during this tour, as each concert cost no less than ''ONE million dollars each'' ![[/note]]
::: *** ''Unmasked'': After promising a return to the heavier sound they were known for they proceeded to release ''Unmasked'', which was a critical flop due to the still present "pop sound". To make matters worse, the following album was...
::: *** The (''in'')famous ''Music from "The Elder"'': The band's ConceptAlbum proved to be a catastrophic commercial ''and'' critical flop which lead to the outright cancellation of the album's tour, once again a first for any KISS release.
::: *** ''Creatures of the Night'', while successful critically due to being the heaviest KISS album yet and featuring the band's strongest songs in some time, didn't fare any better on the commercial and on the tour side of things (many people also attribute this to two founding members, lead guitarist Ace Frehley and drummer Peter Criss leaving the band around the same time).
::: ...*** ...And ''finally'', they remove their makeup and released ''Lick It Up,'' which didn't chart very high, but was still certified gold within a few months of release. This is largely considered attributable to publicity generated by the band's decision to do away with the makeup and costumes concurrent with the album's release. Then ''Animalize'' was released, went gold quickly, and the band's finances were back at normal (excluding contractual issues with Vinnie Vincent and health issues with Mark St. John), although sell-out concerts would still elude them for one more album, finally going to back to their usual tour success with ''Crazy Nights''.
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