History YMMV / JuliusCaesar

3rd Jun '16 9:50:36 PM ImpudentInfidel
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%%* ProtagonistTitleFallacy* ProtagonistTitleFallacy: Caesar is assassinated halfway through and is never really the focus; this story is all about Brutus.
15th Apr '16 1:27:13 PM rjd1922
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Obviously Brutus, but also Caesar. Is he a skeptic who refuses to pay heed to the soothsayer (see ArbitrarySkepticism below) or a highly superstitious figure who refuses to "beware" the Ides of March because it would be challenging fate and willingly goes to his destiny, only showing sadness at discovering Brutus among his killers? Or is he just too arrogant to pay heed to any warning of danger?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Obviously Brutus, but also Caesar. Is he a skeptic who refuses to pay heed to the soothsayer (see ArbitrarySkepticism below) on the main page) or a highly superstitious figure who refuses to "beware" the Ides of March because it would be challenging fate and willingly goes to his destiny, only showing sadness at discovering Brutus among his killers? Or is he just too arrogant to pay heed to any warning of danger?



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Cassius then desperately laments he is "hated by one he loves," jealously accuses Brutus of loving Caesar more than him, and offers his dagger to Brutus, asking him to stab him in the chest because he cannot bear the misery. Ironically, he later asks the same of a servant after learning erroneously that Brutus is dead; the servant obliges. Brutus returns and kills himself upon Cassius' sword. Sound familiar?

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** Cassius then desperately laments he is "hated by one he loves," jealously accuses Brutus of loving Caesar more than him, and offers his dagger to Brutus, asking him to stab him in the chest because he cannot bear the misery. Ironically, he later asks the same of a servant after learning erroneously that Brutus is dead; the servant obliges. Brutus returns and kills himself upon Cassius' sword. Sound familiar?
14th Nov '15 11:48:25 PM jewishenjolras
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* Just after that:

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* Cassius then desperately laments he is "hated by one he loves," jealously accuses Brutus of loving Caesar more than him, and offers his dagger to Brutus, asking him to stab him in the chest because he cannot bear the misery. Ironically, he later asks the same of a servant after learning erroneously that Brutus is dead; the servant obliges. Brutus returns and kills himself upon Cassius' sword. Sound familiar?

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* Cassius then desperately laments he is "hated by one he loves," jealously accuses Brutus of loving Caesar more than him, and offers his dagger to Brutus, asking him to stab him in the chest because he cannot bear the misery. Ironically, he later asks the same of a servant after learning erroneously that Brutus is dead; the servant obliges. Brutus returns and kills himself upon Cassius' sword. Sound familiar?
14th Nov '15 11:46:48 PM jewishenjolras
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Just after that:

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Cassius then desperately laments he is "hated by one he loves," jealously accuses Brutus of loving Caesar more than him, and offers his dagger to Brutus, asking him to stab him in the chest because he cannot bear the misery. Ironically, he later asks the same of a servant after learning erroneously that Brutus is dead; the servant obliges. Brutus returns and kills himself upon Cassius' sword. Sound familiar?

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* Cassius then desperately laments he is "hated by one he loves," jealously accuses Brutus of loving Caesar more than him, and offers his dagger to Brutus, asking him to stab him in the chest because he cannot bear the misery. Ironically, he later asks the same of a servant after learning erroneously that Brutus is dead; the servant obliges. Brutus returns and kills himself upon Cassius' sword. Sound familiar?
14th Nov '15 11:44:25 PM jewishenjolras
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--> ''Brutus:''' You did.

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--> ''Brutus:''' '''Brutus:''' You did.
14th Nov '15 11:40:40 PM jewishenjolras
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* HoYay: Tons of it, especially between Brutus and Cassius. Also, Brutus tells the plebes at the forum that he has killed "my best lover". After Cassius commits suicide, one of his generals also kills himself because of how much he loves his commander (Cassius's likeability is something of an InformedAbility). Though back in Shakespeare's time, "lover" [[HaveAGayOldTime actually meant]] "friend".

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* HoYay: Tons of it, especially between Brutus and Cassius. Also, During Act 4, Scene 3 they have what literally appears to be a lover's quarrel, while alone in a tent together:
--> '''Cassius:''' I denied you not.
--> ''Brutus:''' You did.
--> '''Cassius:''' I did not. He was but a fool that brought
--> My answer back.
Brutus tells the plebes at the forum that he has killed "my best lover". After hath rived my heart.
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--> '''Cassius:''' You love me not.
--> '''Brutus:''' I do not like your faults.
Cassius commits suicide, then desperately laments he is "hated by one he loves," jealously accuses Brutus of loving Caesar more than him, and offers his generals also dagger to Brutus, asking him to stab him in the chest because he cannot bear the misery. Ironically, he later asks the same of a servant after learning erroneously that Brutus is dead; the servant obliges. Brutus returns and kills himself because of how much he loves his commander (Cassius's likeability is something of an InformedAbility). Though back in Shakespeare's time, "lover" [[HaveAGayOldTime actually meant]] "friend".upon Cassius' sword. Sound familiar?
5th Dec '14 7:04:03 PM JulianLapostat
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** The point is Rome was already beyond healing before the assassination attempt, this desperate last-minute action done by a mix of opportunists and led by a WellIntentionedExtremist proves too little and too late. The play in later eras, along with Coriolanus, was often used by left-wing and liberal artists to warn against decay and corruption of government and civic society. Creator/OrsonWelles' anti-fascist version of Caesar was one among many examples that showed, how Brutus was the TragicHero of democracy.
5th Dec '14 6:58:01 PM Angeldeb82
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Obviously Brutus, but also Caesar. Is he a skeptic who refuses to pay heed to the soothsayer (see ArbitrarySkepticism below) or a highly superstitious figure who refuses to "beware" the Ides of March because it would be challenging fate and willingly goes to his destiny, only showing sadness at discovering Brutus among his killers? Or is he just too arrogant to pay heed to any warning of danger?
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The play's 'message' can easily be read as "Democracy is bad because people are sheep," given all the scenes showing how quickly and easily the public's loyalties can change and be manipulated: Act I, Scene I, as well as their rapid switch of loyalties from Caesar to Brutus and back to avenging Caesar following the assassination. Of course, in Shakespeare's day [[ValuesDissonance this wouldn't have been a family unfriendly aesop]], as democracy didn't catch on for another few centuries.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Obviously Brutus, but also Caesar. Is he a skeptic who refuses to pay heed to the soothsayer (see ArbitrarySkepticism below) or a highly superstitious figure who refuses to "beware" the Ides of March because it would be challenging fate and willingly goes to his destiny, only showing sadness at discovering Brutus among his killers? Or is he just too arrogant to pay heed to any warning of danger?
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The play's 'message' can easily be read as "Democracy is bad because people are sheep," given all the scenes showing how quickly and easily the public's loyalties can change and be manipulated: Act I, Scene I, as well as their rapid switch of loyalties from Caesar to Brutus and back to avenging Caesar following the assassination. Of course, in Shakespeare's day [[ValuesDissonance this wouldn't have been a family unfriendly family-unfriendly aesop]], as democracy didn't catch on for another few centuries.
28th Jul '14 12:56:59 PM Silverblade2
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6th Jun '14 7:00:48 AM lipranzer
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** "Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears!"
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