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** Was the stranger who sold Jack the beans trying to help him or was he intending to con Jack and [[AccidentalTruth didn't know they really were magic]]?
** Jack as well. [[DesignatedHero His actions aren't exactly what most would consider "moral"]]. However all of his acts are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An AntiHero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as. Of course, he keeps stealing even ''after'' he has a goose that will supply unlimited gold...
** Also the giant. Is he right in wanting back the things Jack stole? However he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. Some versions also imply ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!
* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him. Various adaptations have taken their own way in dealing with this. The {{Creator/Disney}} [[WesternAnimation/FunAndFancyFree adaptation]] had the harp Jack (or rather Mickey) steals from the giant belong to his town in the first place, so he's taking back his own property. Other retellings take a similar route by stating that the money, goose and harp originally belonged to Jack's father, whom the giant [[YouKilledMyFather killed.]] ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' deconstructs the story by having Jack face the consequences of his actions, in the form of the giant's wife coming after him for revenge.

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** Was the stranger who sold Jack the beans trying to help him him, or was he intending to con Jack and [[AccidentalTruth didn't know they really were magic]]?
** Jack as well. [[DesignatedHero His actions aren't exactly what most would consider "moral"]]. However However, all of his acts are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An AntiHero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as. Of course, he keeps stealing even ''after'' he has a goose that will supply unlimited gold...
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** Also the giant. Is he right in wanting back the things Jack stole? However However, he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. Some versions also imply ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!
* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him. Various adaptations have taken their own way in dealing with this. The {{Creator/Disney}} [[WesternAnimation/FunAndFancyFree adaptation]] had the harp Jack (or rather Mickey) steals from the giant belong to his town in the first place, so he's taking back his own property. Other retellings take a similar route by stating that the money, goose goose, and harp originally belonged to Jack's father, whom the giant [[YouKilledMyFather killed.]] ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' deconstructs the story by having Jack face the consequences of his actions, in the form of the giant's wife coming after him for revenge.

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When was stealing ever considered moral?


** Jack as well. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]]. However all of his acts are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An AntiHero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
*** Of course, he keeps stealing even ''after'' he has a goose that will supply unlimited gold...

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** Jack as well. [[ValuesDissonance [[DesignatedHero His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]]. However all of his acts are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An AntiHero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
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as. Of course, he keeps stealing even ''after'' he has a goose that will supply unlimited gold...

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* MemeticMutation: "Fee-Fi-Fo-Fum, I smell the blood of an Englishman...".

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* MemeticMutation: MemeticMutation:
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"Fee-Fi-Fo-Fum, I smell the blood of an Englishman...".".
** "Beanstalk" is used as a slang term for a SpaceElevator in some circles.
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** Jack as well. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]]. However all of his acts are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
** Of course, he keeps stealing even ''after'' he has a goose that will supply unlimited gold...

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** Jack as well. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]]. However all of his acts are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An anti-hero, AntiHero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
** *** Of course, he keeps stealing even ''after'' he has a goose that will supply unlimited gold...
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The moral of the story seems to be that you should totally give away something that has a lot of worth for something that seems worthless, because it'll always pay off by giving you immense wealth.
** Or that stealing is the way forward.
** There's an animated FracturedFairyTale version that openly embraces this trope, portraying Jack's mother as constantly thwarting her son's efforts to enrich them by stealing magical money-making devices from a cruel and magical millionaire, ultimately leaving them both as poor as ever as the narrator openly proclaims honesty and principles are not inherently rewarding.
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* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him. Various adaptations have taken their own way in dealing with this. The {{Creator/Disney}} [[Disney/FunAndFancyFree adaptation]] had the harp Jack (or rather Mickey) steals from the giant belong to his town in the first place, so he's taking back his own property. Other retellings take a similar route by stating that the money, goose and harp originally belonged to Jack's father, whom the giant [[YouKilledMyFather killed.]] ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' deconstructs the story by having Jack face the consequences of his actions, in the form of the giant's wife coming after him for revenge.

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* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him. Various adaptations have taken their own way in dealing with this. The {{Creator/Disney}} [[Disney/FunAndFancyFree [[WesternAnimation/FunAndFancyFree adaptation]] had the harp Jack (or rather Mickey) steals from the giant belong to his town in the first place, so he's taking back his own property. Other retellings take a similar route by stating that the money, goose and harp originally belonged to Jack's father, whom the giant [[YouKilledMyFather killed.]] ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' deconstructs the story by having Jack face the consequences of his actions, in the form of the giant's wife coming after him for revenge.
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* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him. Various adaptations have taken their own way in dealing with this. The {{Creator/Disney}} [[Disney/FunAndFancyFree adaptation]] had the harp Jack steals from the giant belong to his town in the first place, so he's taking back his own property. ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' deconstructs the story by having Jack face the consequences of his actions, in the form of the giant's wife coming after him for revenge.

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* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him. Various adaptations have taken their own way in dealing with this. The {{Creator/Disney}} [[Disney/FunAndFancyFree adaptation]] had the harp Jack (or rather Mickey) steals from the giant belong to his town in the first place, so he's taking back his own property. Other retellings take a similar route by stating that the money, goose and harp originally belonged to Jack's father, whom the giant [[YouKilledMyFather killed.]] ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' deconstructs the story by having Jack face the consequences of his actions, in the form of the giant's wife coming after him for revenge.
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** Jack as well. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning. However all of his acts are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.

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** Jack as well. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning."moral"]]. However all of his acts are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
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** Of course, he keeps stealing even ''after'' he has a goose that will supply unlimited gold...
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** The giant gets a lot of this. Yes, he wanted back the things Jack stole, that's fair enough. However, many ignore/forget that he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. It's even implied ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!

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** * DracoInLeatherPants: The giant gets a lot of this. Yes, he wanted back the things Jack stole, that's fair enough. However, many ignore/forget that he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. It's even implied ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!
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The giant gets a lot of this. Yes, he wanted back the things Jack stole, that's fair enough. However, many ignore/forget that he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. It's even implied ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!

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** The giant gets a lot of this. Yes, he wanted back the things Jack stole, that's fair enough. However, many ignore/forget that he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. It's even implied ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!
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** Jack as well. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning. However all of his acts are down out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for. because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.

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** Jack as well. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning. However all of his acts are down done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for. for because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
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** Also the giant. Is he right in wanting back the things Jack stole. However he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. Some versions also imply ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!

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** Also the giant. Is he right in wanting back the things Jack stole. stole? However he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. Some versions also imply ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was the stranger who sold Jack the beans trying to help him or was he intending to con Jack and [[AccidentalTruth didn't know they really were magic]]?

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Was the stranger who sold Jack the beans trying to help him or was he intending to con Jack and [[AccidentalTruth didn't know they really were magic]]?magic]]?
** Jack as well. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning. However all of his acts are down out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for. because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
** Also the giant. Is he right in wanting back the things Jack stole. However he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. Some versions also imply ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!



* DracoInLeatherPants: The giant gets a lot of this. Yes, he wanted back the things Jack stole, that's fair enough. However, many ignore/forget that he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. It's even implied ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!

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* DracoInLeatherPants: The giant gets a lot of this. Yes, he wanted back the things Jack stole, that's fair enough. However, many ignore/forget that he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. It's even implied ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!



* RonTheDeathEater: Jack gets this as much as the giant gets the Draco treatment. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning, are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for (in some versions, he even stole them first) because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to kill and eat him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
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* MemeticMutation: "To kill the goose that lays the golden eggs".

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* MemeticMutation: "To kill "Fee-Fi-Fo-Fum, I smell the goose that lays the golden eggs".blood of an Englishman...".
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was the stranger who sold Jack the beans trying to help him or was he intending to con Jack and [[AccidentalTruth didn't know they really were magic]]?
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* RonTheDeathEater: Jack gets this as much as the giant gets the Draco treatment. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for(in some versions, he even stole them first) because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to kill and eat him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Jack gets this as much as the giant gets the Draco treatment. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning beginning, are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for(in for (in some versions, he even stole them first) because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to kill and eat him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
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* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him. Various adaptations have taken their own way in dealing with this. The {{Creator/Disney}} [[Disney/FunAndFancyFree adaptation]] had the harp Jack steals from the giant belong to his town in the first place, so he's taking his own property. ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' deconstructs the story by having Jack face the consequences of his actions, in the form of the giant's wife coming after him for revenge.

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* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him. Various adaptations have taken their own way in dealing with this. The {{Creator/Disney}} [[Disney/FunAndFancyFree adaptation]] had the harp Jack steals from the giant belong to his town in the first place, so he's taking back his own property. ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' deconstructs the story by having Jack face the consequences of his actions, in the form of the giant's wife coming after him for revenge.
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* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him.

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* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him. Various adaptations have taken their own way in dealing with this. The {{Creator/Disney}} [[Disney/FunAndFancyFree adaptation]] had the harp Jack steals from the giant belong to his town in the first place, so he's taking his own property. ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' deconstructs the story by having Jack face the consequences of his actions, in the form of the giant's wife coming after him for revenge.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: The giant gets a lot of this. Yes, he wanted back the things Jack stole, that's fair enough. However, many ignore/forget that he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. It's even implied ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!


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* RonTheDeathEater: Jack gets this as much as the giant gets the Draco treatment. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for(in some versions, he even stole them first) because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to kill and eat him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
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* DesignatedVillain: The giant, a guy defending his home against a persistent thief, and is killed by him.

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* DesignatedVillain: The giant, a guy defending his home against a persistent thief, and is killed by him. (Of course, he was also going to ''eat'' Jack, but wanting his stuff back is perfectly valid.)
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* DesignatedHero: Jack.
* DesignatedVillain: The giant.

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* DesignatedHero: Jack.
Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him.
* DesignatedVillain: The giant.giant, a guy defending his home against a persistent thief, and is killed by him.
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* DesignatedHero - Jack.
* DesignatedVillain - The giant.
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop - The moral of the story seems to be that you should totally give away something that has a lot of worth for something that seems worthless, because it'll always pay off by giving you immense wealth.

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* DesignatedHero - DesignatedHero: Jack.
* DesignatedVillain - DesignatedVillain: The giant.
* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop - FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: The moral of the story seems to be that you should totally give away something that has a lot of worth for something that seems worthless, because it'll always pay off by giving you immense wealth.



* MemeticMutation - "To kill the goose that lays the golden eggs".

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* MemeticMutation - MemeticMutation: "To kill the goose that lays the golden eggs".
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** There's an animated FracturedFairyTale version that openly embraces this trope, portraying Jack's mother as constantly thwarting her son's efforts to enrich them by stealing magical money-making devices from a cruel and magical millionaire, ultimately leaving them both as poor as ever as the narrator openly proclaims honesty and principles are not inherently rewarding.
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* MemeticMutation - "To kill the goose that lays the golden eggs".

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* MemeticMutation - "To kill the goose that lays the golden eggs".eggs".
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* DesignatedVillain - The giant.
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** Or that stealing is the way forward.

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** Or that stealing is the way forward.forward.
* MemeticMutation - "To kill the goose that lays the golden eggs".
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* DesignatedHero - Jack.

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