History YMMV / JackAndTheBeanstalk

5th Feb '17 2:31:40 PM PrincessGwen
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** Jack as well. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning. However all of his acts are down out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for. because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.

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** Jack as well. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning. However all of his acts are down done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for. for because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
4th Feb '17 4:04:22 PM Monsund
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** Also the giant. Is he right in wanting back the things Jack stole. However he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. Some versions also imply ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!

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** Also the giant. Is he right in wanting back the things Jack stole. stole? However he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. Some versions also imply ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!
4th Feb '17 4:03:52 PM Monsund
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was the stranger who sold Jack the beans trying to help him or was he intending to con Jack and [[AccidentalTruth didn't know they really were magic]]?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
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Was the stranger who sold Jack the beans trying to help him or was he intending to con Jack and [[AccidentalTruth didn't know they really were magic]]?magic]]?
** Jack as well. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning. However all of his acts are down out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for. because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to capture him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
** Also the giant. Is he right in wanting back the things Jack stole. However he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. Some versions also imply ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!



* DracoInLeatherPants: The giant gets a lot of this. Yes, he wanted back the things Jack stole, that's fair enough. However, many ignore/forget that he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. It's even implied ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!

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* DracoInLeatherPants: The giant gets a lot of this. Yes, he wanted back the things Jack stole, that's fair enough. However, many ignore/forget that he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. It's even implied ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!



* RonTheDeathEater: Jack gets this as much as the giant gets the Draco treatment. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning, are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for (in some versions, he even stole them first) because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to kill and eat him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
29th Feb '16 8:19:34 AM HeWhoSmilesWithoutMirth
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* MemeticMutation: "To kill the goose that lays the golden eggs".

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* MemeticMutation: "To kill "Fee-Fi-Fo-Fum, I smell the goose that lays the golden eggs".blood of an Englishman...".
7th Sep '15 3:28:54 AM smalltime
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Was the stranger who sold Jack the beans trying to help him or was he intending to con Jack and [[AccidentalTruth didn't know they really were magic]]?
9th Dec '14 11:33:35 PM Tuckerscreator
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* RonTheDeathEater: Jack gets this as much as the giant gets the Draco treatment. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for(in some versions, he even stole them first) because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to kill and eat him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Jack gets this as much as the giant gets the Draco treatment. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning beginning, are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for(in for (in some versions, he even stole them first) because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to kill and eat him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
9th Dec '14 11:31:56 PM Tuckerscreator
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* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him. Various adaptations have taken their own way in dealing with this. The {{Creator/Disney}} [[Disney/FunAndFancyFree adaptation]] had the harp Jack steals from the giant belong to his town in the first place, so he's taking his own property. ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' deconstructs the story by having Jack face the consequences of his actions, in the form of the giant's wife coming after him for revenge.

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* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him. Various adaptations have taken their own way in dealing with this. The {{Creator/Disney}} [[Disney/FunAndFancyFree adaptation]] had the harp Jack steals from the giant belong to his town in the first place, so he's taking back his own property. ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' deconstructs the story by having Jack face the consequences of his actions, in the form of the giant's wife coming after him for revenge.
9th Dec '14 11:31:43 PM Tuckerscreator
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* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him.

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* DesignatedHero: Jack, an idiot who sells his family's biggest good for a seemingly worthless item, gets lucky when it turns out to be more valuable, then uses it to steal some other guy's stuff even though his wife, who also owns that stuff, was kind to him. Various adaptations have taken their own way in dealing with this. The {{Creator/Disney}} [[Disney/FunAndFancyFree adaptation]] had the harp Jack steals from the giant belong to his town in the first place, so he's taking his own property. ''Theatre/IntoTheWoods'' deconstructs the story by having Jack face the consequences of his actions, in the form of the giant's wife coming after him for revenge.
24th Nov '14 9:03:49 PM TheKnightsOfNido
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* DracoInLeatherPants: The giant gets a lot of this. Yes, he wanted back the things Jack stole, that's fair enough. However, many ignore/forget that he's also a murderous cannibal intent on slaughtering and eating Jack the second he catches him. It's even implied ''his own wife'' is afraid of him!


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* RonTheDeathEater: Jack gets this as much as the giant gets the Draco treatment. [[ValuesDissonance His actions aren't exactly what most today would consider "moral"]], but all of them, save his foolish bit of gullibility in the beginning are done out of desperation. He steals from someone who has a ''wealth'' of treasure he seems to have no need for(in some versions, he even stole them first) because he's living in poverty in a time where it's much harder to make ends meet as it is, and chops down the beanstalk because the giant was on his way down to kill and eat him. An anti-hero, to be sure, but certainly not the VillainProtagonist many see him as.
26th Oct '14 10:16:33 AM Tuckerscreator
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* DesignatedVillain: The giant, a guy defending his home against a persistent thief, and is killed by him.

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* DesignatedVillain: The giant, a guy defending his home against a persistent thief, and is killed by him. (Of course, he was also going to ''eat'' Jack, but wanting his stuff back is perfectly valid.)
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