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* BrokenBase: Either this is one of the better of the made-for-TV Muppet movies to come about in the 2000s, or this is a blemish on the Muppets' integrity. The majority of Muppet Freaks really love this movie, feeling it did a better job capturing the original dynamics of the characters and their interplay, as well as maintaining the same sense of mayhem and chaos the Muppets' humor is known for; however, a VocalMinority of fans feel this movie has none of that, that the movie is [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy dark, trite,]] tries too hard to make the Muppets seem [[WereStillRelevantDammit relevant]] and [[DarkerAndEdgier edgy]], and pushes the envelope ''way'' too far in how much adult humor the Muppets partake it.

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* BrokenBase: Either this is one of the better of the made-for-TV Muppet movies to come about in the 2000s, or this is a blemish on the Muppets' integrity. The majority of Muppet Freaks really love this movie, feeling it did a better job capturing the original dynamics of the characters and their interplay, as well as maintaining the same sense of mayhem and chaos the Muppets' humor is known for; however, a VocalMinority of fans feel this movie has none of that, that the movie is [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy dark, dark,]] [[TrueArtIsAngsty trite,]] tries too hard to make the Muppets seem [[WereStillRelevantDammit relevant]] and [[DarkerAndEdgier edgy]], and pushes the envelope ''way'' too far in how much adult humor the Muppets partake it.
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Lots, to the point where it's hard to pick one.
** The Muppets' Christmas show is an elaborate spoof of ''Film/MoulinRouge'', possibly the best Muppet parody in a decade. To wit, the scene makes fun of Baz Luhrmann's editing style (at one point Fozzie grabs Kermit by the neck with his cane and begins twirling him in circles just to make the camera spin dizzyingly around them), has chickens singing ''Lady Marmalade'', Gonzo very appropriately dressed as Creator/HenriDeToulouseLautrec, and Miss Piggy as "Saltine", choking on the dramatic fog in her entrance and coughing uncontrollably [[CrossesTheLineTwice (making a big laugh out of what was the most tragic scene in the whole movie)]]. In the end, Miss Piggy brings the whole thing to a halt to scream at everybody to stop singing different songs at the same time.
** There's also the ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuXFSv1CaEE sequence]], where Miss Piggy has a new gig as a dead body on TV, [[JustForPun which she doesn't take lying down.]]
** Either this or unintentionally funny, "Psst, psst. Come close. '''[[SuddenlyShouting I WISH I HAD NEVER BEEN BORN!]]'''"



* {{Tearjerker}}: The Muppets' lives in the Kermit-less world are almost entirely bad, but most are not wholly depressing. Gonzo and later Piggy, however, aren't so fortunate. The former is a homeless performer eeking out a pathetic living, and the latter is bitter and depressingly lonely.
** Kermit is relieved that Fozzie appears unchanged, helping Kermit up after an accident and checking him over to make sure he's okay before going to seek help. Kermit then realizes his wallet's gone.
** The "Everyone Matters" song also hits the right tear jerker buttons, though it gets hopeful near the end.
** Aside from the typical Muppet comedy bits, about 40% of the movie fits this trope, being a RecycledInSpace version of ''Film/ItsAWonderfulLife'', which is so ''the'' big name in TearJerker Christmas movies.
** A DeletedScene has Kermit crossing the street and almost getting hit by a bus driver, but he doesn't even care. Yes, you read that right. Kermit was this deep in the DespairEventHorizon to the point of ''suicide.'' No wonder they cut it out.
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** Either this or unintentionally funny, "Psst, psst. Come close. '''[[SuddenlyShouting I WISH I HAD NEVER BEEN BORN!]]'''"
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** A DeletedScene has Kermit crossing the street and almost getting hit by a bus driver, but he doesn't even care. Yes, you read that right. Kermit was this deep in the DespairEventHorizon to the point of ''suicide.'' No wonder they cut it out.
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** As time goes by, a strange reversal or softening up of opinion seems to be occurring. Many who once praised it as brilliant and just what the franchise needed think it hasn't aged well, while those who initially rejected it completely have come to admire that it kept the characters going when they were very much in danger of being forgotten.
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** In one shot of the timeline without Kermit, the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center can still be seen standing in 2002! Kermit somehow must have triggered 9/11.
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* BrokenBase: Either this is one of the better of the made-for-TV Muppet movies to come about in the 2000s, or this is a blemish on the Muppets' integrity. The majority of Muppet Freaks really love this movie, feeling it did a better job capturing the original dynamics of the characters and their interplay, as well as maintaining the same sense of mayhem and chaos the Muppets' humor is known for; however, a small minority of fans feel this movie has none of that, that the movie is [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy dark, trite,]] tries too hard to make the Muppets seem [[WereStillRelevantDammit relevant]] and [[DarkerAndEdgier edgy]], and pushes the envelope ''way'' too far in how much adult humor the Muppets partake it.

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* BrokenBase: Either this is one of the better of the made-for-TV Muppet movies to come about in the 2000s, or this is a blemish on the Muppets' integrity. The majority of Muppet Freaks really love this movie, feeling it did a better job capturing the original dynamics of the characters and their interplay, as well as maintaining the same sense of mayhem and chaos the Muppets' humor is known for; however, a small minority VocalMinority of fans feel this movie has none of that, that the movie is [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy dark, trite,]] tries too hard to make the Muppets seem [[WereStillRelevantDammit relevant]] and [[DarkerAndEdgier edgy]], and pushes the envelope ''way'' too far in how much adult humor the Muppets partake it.
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* BrokenBase: Either this is one of the better of the made-for-TV Muppet movies to come about in the 2000s, or this is a blemish on the Muppets' integrity. The majority of Muppet Freaks really love this movie, feeling it did a better job capturing the original dynamics of the characters and their interplay, as well as maintaining the same sense of mayhem and chaos the Muppets' humor is known for; however, a small minority of fans feel this movie has none of that, that the movie is dark, trite, tries too hard to make the Muppets seems [[WereStillRelevantDammit relevant and edgy]], and pushes the envelope ''way'' too far in how much adult humor the Muppets partake it.

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* BrokenBase: Either this is one of the better of the made-for-TV Muppet movies to come about in the 2000s, or this is a blemish on the Muppets' integrity. The majority of Muppet Freaks really love this movie, feeling it did a better job capturing the original dynamics of the characters and their interplay, as well as maintaining the same sense of mayhem and chaos the Muppets' humor is known for; however, a small minority of fans feel this movie has none of that, that the movie is [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy dark, trite, trite,]] tries too hard to make the Muppets seems seem [[WereStillRelevantDammit relevant relevant]] and [[DarkerAndEdgier edgy]], and pushes the envelope ''way'' too far in how much adult humor the Muppets partake it.



** There's also the {{Scrubs}} [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuXFSv1CaEE Crossover]]

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** There's also the {{Scrubs}} ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuXFSv1CaEE Crossover]]sequence]], where Miss Piggy has a new gig as a dead body on TV, [[JustForPun which she doesn't take lying down.]]

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** The Boss tells Daniel that he's "really lucky ''WesternAnimation/{{SpongeBob|SquarePants}}'' isn't on right now." Given the show's [[SeasonalRot decline in quality in the years since this movie aired]], many viewers ARE lucky ''[=SpongeBob=]'''s not on.

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** The Boss tells Daniel that he's "really lucky ''WesternAnimation/{{SpongeBob|SquarePants}}'' isn't on right now." Given the show's [[SeasonalRot decline in quality in the years since this movie aired]], its [[AdoredByTheNetwork overexposure on Nickelodeon]], and the network subsequently cutting back on [=SpongeBob=] reruns by TheNewTens, many viewers ARE lucky ''[=SpongeBob=]'''s not on.


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** The "Everyone Matters" song also hits the right tear jerker buttons, though it gets hopeful near the end.
** Aside from the typical Muppet comedy bits, about 40% of the movie fits this trope, being a RecycledInSpace version of ''Film/ItsAWonderfulLife'', which is so ''the'' big name in TearJerker Christmas movies.
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** Kermit is relieved that Fozzie appears unchanged, helping Kermit up after an accident and checking him over to make sure he's okay before going to seek help. Kermit then realizes his wallet's gone.
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** In ''Moulin Scrooge'', the Satine parody is named "Saltine". When WebVideo/CinemaSins did "Everything Wrong With Moulin Rouge", one of the sins given out was "the most beautiful courtesan in the world is one letter away from being named after a cracker."
** The Boss tells Daniel that he's "really lucky ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBob'' isn't on right now." Given the show's [[SeasonalRot decline in quality in the years since this movie aired]], they ARE lucky ''SpongeBob'''s not on.

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** In the ''Moulin Scrooge'', Scrooge'' sketch, the Satine parody is named "Saltine". When WebVideo/CinemaSins did "Everything Wrong With Moulin Rouge", Film/MoulinRouge", one of the sins given out was "the most beautiful courtesan in the world is one letter away from being named after a cracker."
** The Boss tells Daniel that he's "really lucky ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBob'' ''WesternAnimation/{{SpongeBob|SquarePants}}'' isn't on right now." Given the show's [[SeasonalRot decline in quality in the years since this movie aired]], they many viewers ARE lucky ''SpongeBob'''s ''[=SpongeBob=]'''s not on.
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** The Muppets' Christmas show is an elaborate spoof of ''MoulinRouge'', possibly the best Muppet parody in a decade. To wit, the scene makes fun of Baz Luhrmann's editing style (at one point Fozzie grabs Kermit by the neck with his cane and begins twirling him in circles just to make the camera spin dizzyingly around them), has chickens singing ''Lady Marmalade'', Gonzo very appropriately dressed as Toulouse-Lautrec, and Miss Piggy as "Saltine", choking on the dramatic fog in her entrance and coughing uncontrollably [[CrossesTheLineTwice (making a big laugh out of what was the most tragic scene in the whole movie)]]. In the end, Miss Piggy brings the whole thing to a halt to scream at everybody to stop singing different songs at the same time.

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** The Muppets' Christmas show is an elaborate spoof of ''MoulinRouge'', ''Film/MoulinRouge'', possibly the best Muppet parody in a decade. To wit, the scene makes fun of Baz Luhrmann's editing style (at one point Fozzie grabs Kermit by the neck with his cane and begins twirling him in circles just to make the camera spin dizzyingly around them), has chickens singing ''Lady Marmalade'', Gonzo very appropriately dressed as Toulouse-Lautrec, Creator/HenriDeToulouseLautrec, and Miss Piggy as "Saltine", choking on the dramatic fog in her entrance and coughing uncontrollably [[CrossesTheLineTwice (making a big laugh out of what was the most tragic scene in the whole movie)]]. In the end, Miss Piggy brings the whole thing to a halt to scream at everybody to stop singing different songs at the same time.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Received a much better reception than other post-JimHenson productions (prior to 2011's ''Film/TheMuppets'').

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** The Boss tells Daniel that he's "really lucky ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBob'' isn't on right now." Given the show's [[SeasonalRot decline in quality in the years since this movie aired]], they ARE lucky ''SpongeBob'''s not on.
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** In ''Moulin Scrooge'', the Satine parody is named "Saltine". When WebVideo/CinemaSins did "Everything Wrong With Moulin Rouge", one of the sins given out was "the most beautiful courtesan in the world is one letter away from being named after a cracker."
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Kermit and Gonzo's duet in the alternate-reality mall.
** Also the statue of Kermit seen in the film, which in a callback to TheMuppetMovie, is dedicated to "The Lovers, the Dreamers, and you", a shout out to Muppet Fans as a whole, and to the song itself, as it was a Number One song at one point in time, sung by Kermit himself in the Muppet Movie. The song is still associated with the Muppets (and Kermit himself in particular) to this ''day''.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Fozzie's heroic struggle to get to the bank in time. [[spoiler: Sure, he fails at the very last second, but given that the ''entire universe'' seems determined to stop him, the fact that he even made it to the bank is damn impressive.]]
** In probably the most heroic moment of any Muppet film, Fozzie [[spoiler: ''runs'' through a hallway full of FrickinLaserBeams '''three times'''.]] If '''that's''' not Muppet heroism, nothing is.
*** Doubles as a FunnyMoment when we see Miss Bitterman's "Oh, that's gotta hurt" reaction each time when Fozzie does so.
** Also especially Pepe's HeelFaceTurn and DeusExMachina in the end.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Received a much better reception than other post-JimHenson productions.

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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Received a much better reception than other post-JimHenson productions.productions (prior to 2011's ''Film/TheMuppets'').
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* WhatTheHellCastingAgency: Some took issue with Whoopi Goldberg as God.
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* BrokenBase: Either this is one of the better of the made-for-TV Muppet movies to come about in the 2000s, or this is a blemish on the Muppets' integrity. The majority of Muppet Freaks really love this movie, feeling it did a better job capturing the original dynamics of the characters and their interplay, as well as maintaining the same sense of mayhem and chaos the Muppets' humor is known for; however, a small minority of fans feel this movie has none of that, that the movie is dark, trite, tries too hard to make the Muppets seems [[WereStillRelevantDammit relevant and edgy]], and pushes the envelope ''way'' too far in how much adult humor the Muppets partake it.
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** There's also the Scrubs [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuXFSv1CaEE Crossover]]

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*** Doubles as a FunnyMoment when we see Miss Bitterman's "Oh, that's gotta hurt" reaction each time when Fozzie does so.

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And The Fandom Rejoiced is now Sugar Wiki and not to be wicked in that way.


* AndTheFandomRejoiced: There was understandable delight to see Kermit as the lead Muppet again after Gonzo took the spotlight in the previous three movies. Additionally, fan favorites that had essentially been DemotedToExtra (e.g. Rowlf, Scooter and the Electric Mayhem) following the passings of Jim Henson and Richard Hunt were given more screentime and actual dialogue.
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* NauseaFuel[=/=]AccidentalNightmareFuel: In the alternate reality, Rizzo has one of the worst fates; he's in ''FearFactor'' as one of the challenges, where he's locked in a cage and the contestants have to ''eat him alive''. And he didn't even know about it.

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* NauseaFuel[=/=]AccidentalNightmareFuel: NauseaFuel[=/=]NightmareFuel: In the alternate reality, Rizzo has one of the worst fates; he's in ''FearFactor'' as one of the challenges, where he's locked in a cage and the contestants have to ''eat him alive''. And he didn't even know about it.
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* FridgeHorror: In the world without Kermit, Rowlf is not mentioned or seen at all. Now take a minute to think about what happens to stray dogs.



* TheWoobie: Fozzie in the real world, Gonzo in the alternate reality.

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* TheWoobie: Fozzie in the real world, Gonzo in the alternate reality.
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** The intro has an elaborate spoof of ''MoulinRouge'', possibly the best Muppet parody in a decade. To wit, the scene makes fun of Baz Luhrmann's editing style (at one point Fozzie grabs Kermit by the neck with his cane and begins twirling him in circles just to make the camera spin dizzyingly around them), has chickens singing ''Lady Marmalade'', Gonzo very appropriately dressed as Toulouse-Lautrec, and Miss Piggy as "Saltine", choking on the dramatic fog in her entrance and coughing uncontrollably [[CrossesTheLineTwice (making a big laugh out of what was the most tragic scene in the whole movie)]]. In the end, Miss Piggy brings the whole thing to a halt to scream at everybody to stop singing different songs at the same time.

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** The intro has Muppets' Christmas show is an elaborate spoof of ''MoulinRouge'', possibly the best Muppet parody in a decade. To wit, the scene makes fun of Baz Luhrmann's editing style (at one point Fozzie grabs Kermit by the neck with his cane and begins twirling him in circles just to make the camera spin dizzyingly around them), has chickens singing ''Lady Marmalade'', Gonzo very appropriately dressed as Toulouse-Lautrec, and Miss Piggy as "Saltine", choking on the dramatic fog in her entrance and coughing uncontrollably [[CrossesTheLineTwice (making a big laugh out of what was the most tragic scene in the whole movie)]]. In the end, Miss Piggy brings the whole thing to a halt to scream at everybody to stop singing different songs at the same time.
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See the thread in Special Efforts - that behavior is not at the level of Complete Monster.


* CompleteMonster: Rachel Bitterman, whose name alone should be an indicator. Unlike previous Muppet villains, she has no redeeming qualities in the film or any justification for being evil, since TheMuppets were able to raise enough money in time. She also takes pleasure in seeing them suffer and laughs at Fozzie's laser injuries.
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** The intro has an elaborate spoof of ''[[MoulinRouge]]'', possibly the best Muppet parody in a decade. To wit, the scene makes fun of Baz Luhrmann's editing style (at one point Fozzie grabs Kermit by the neck with his cane and begins twirling him in circles just to make the camera spin dizzyingly around them), has chickens singing ''Lady Marmalade'', Gonzo very appropriately dressed as Toulouse-Lautrec, and Miss Piggy as "Saltine", choking on the dramatic fog in her entrance and coughing uncontrollably [[CrossesTheLineTwice (making a big laugh out of what was the most tragic scene in the whole movie)]]. In the end, Miss Piggy brings the whole thing to a halt to scream at everybody to stop singing different songs at the same time.

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** The intro has an elaborate spoof of ''[[MoulinRouge]]'', ''MoulinRouge'', possibly the best Muppet parody in a decade. To wit, the scene makes fun of Baz Luhrmann's editing style (at one point Fozzie grabs Kermit by the neck with his cane and begins twirling him in circles just to make the camera spin dizzyingly around them), has chickens singing ''Lady Marmalade'', Gonzo very appropriately dressed as Toulouse-Lautrec, and Miss Piggy as "Saltine", choking on the dramatic fog in her entrance and coughing uncontrollably [[CrossesTheLineTwice (making a big laugh out of what was the most tragic scene in the whole movie)]]. In the end, Miss Piggy brings the whole thing to a halt to scream at everybody to stop singing different songs at the same time.
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** The intro has an elaborate spoof of ''[[MoulinRouge]]'', possibly the best Muppet parody in a decade. To wit, the scene makes fun of Baz Luhrmann's editing style (at one point Fozzie grabs Kermit by the neck with his cane and begins twirling him in circles just to make the camera spin dizzyingly around them), has chickens singing ''Lady Marmalade'', Gonzo very appropriately dressed as Toulouse-Lautrec, and Miss Piggy as "Saltine", choking on the dramatic fog in her entrance and coughing uncontrollably [[CrossesTheLineTwice (making a big laugh out of what was the most tragic scene in the whole movie)]]. In the end, Miss Piggy brings the whole thing to a halt to scream at everybody to stop singing different songs at the same time.

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