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** The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but the latter had already established the culprit's identity, method and motives by its finale, so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly Satoko injects H173.]]
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** The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', ''Tsumihoroboshi'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but the latter had already established the culprit's identity, method and motives by its finale, so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly Satoko injects H173.]]
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Many fans disregard this series for not only did undoing the happy ending from the original series, but detracting too much from established characterizations and tone.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Many fans disregard this series for not only did undoing the happy ending from the original series, but detracting too much from established characterizations characterization and tone.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but the latter had already established the culprit's identity, method and motives by its finale, so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly Satoko injects H173.]]
** A lot of fans were displeased with the Umineko references not going anywhere. However, this is not the first time Higurashi has made references to its sister series UminekoNoNakuKoroNi (especially with the "witch" Frederica Bernkastel and Rika calling herself that in one arc) since all works in the WTC franchise make constant references to each other. The difference being is that those references were never meant to [[ContinuityLockout]] link the series to each other, and they were insignificant to the grander plot at hand. Gou and Sotsu made it look the references were building up to something while not actually committing to anything at all, and came off as pure [[PanderingToTheBase fan service.]]
** A lot of fans were displeased with the Umineko references not going anywhere. However, this is not the first time Higurashi has made references to its sister series UminekoNoNakuKoroNi (especially with the "witch" Frederica Bernkastel and Rika calling herself that in one arc) since all works in the WTC franchise make constant references to each other. The difference being is that those references were never meant to [[ContinuityLockout]] link the series to each other, and they were insignificant to the grander plot at hand. Gou and Sotsu made it look the references were building up to something while not actually committing to anything at all, and came off as pure [[PanderingToTheBase fan service.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: FranchiseOriginalSin:
** The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but the latter had already established the culprit's identity, method and motives by its finale, so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly Satoko injects H173.]]
** A lot of fans were displeased with the Umineko references not going anywhere. However, this is not the first time Higurashi has made references to its sister seriesUminekoNoNakuKoroNi ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' (especially with the "witch" Frederica Bernkastel and Rika calling herself that in one arc) since all works in the WTC franchise make constant references to each other. The difference being is that those references were never meant to [[ContinuityLockout]] [[ContinuityLockout link the series to each other, other]], and they were insignificant to the grander plot at hand. Gou and Sotsu made it look the references were building up to something while not actually committing to anything at all, and came off as pure [[PanderingToTheBase fan service.]]
** The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but the latter had already established the culprit's identity, method and motives by its finale, so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly Satoko injects H173.]]
** A lot of fans were displeased with the Umineko references not going anywhere. However, this is not the first time Higurashi has made references to its sister series
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** The ending of ''Sotsu'' was decried for the ultimate solution seemingly being [[spoiler:Satoko simply not going to Saint Lucia with Rika]]. In ''Meguri'', this ''isn't'' treated as a solution, and it's the first thing [[spoiler:Satoko tries after she starts looping.]]
** [[spoiler:In the anime, Satoko appears to be almost unfazed from experiencing Rika's century of loops, coming off as apathetic to all the suffering that motivated Rika's desire to leave Hinamizawa, and simply decides to throw her back into the cycle of agony. In the manga, Satoko has a much more visceral reaction to Rika's loops, and doesn't try to stop her from attending St. Lucia's.]]
** Those who felt that [[spoiler:Satoko broke too easily after looping and gave up on Satoshi appreciated that her ''Meguri'' counterpart spent hundreds of loops trying out different solutions and a huge part of why she finally snaps is because she realizes that she, Rika, and Satoshi will never survive all the events the way she wants them to, while also putting plenty of emphasis on how ''all'' of Satoko's loved ones occupy her mind when she wants to stay in Hinamizawa forever, Rika of course taking a huge amount of space in her heart. The manga also takes some blame from Satoko by making it clear that Eua is definitely behind the worst parts of Satoko's experience.]]
** [[spoiler:In the anime, Satoko appears to be almost unfazed from experiencing Rika's century of loops, coming off as apathetic to all the suffering that motivated Rika's desire to leave Hinamizawa, and simply decides to throw her back into the cycle of agony. In the manga, Satoko has a much more visceral reaction to Rika's loops, and doesn't try to stop her from attending St. Lucia's.]]
** Those who felt that [[spoiler:Satoko broke too easily after looping and gave up on Satoshi appreciated that her ''Meguri'' counterpart spent hundreds of loops trying out different solutions and a huge part of why she finally snaps is because she realizes that she, Rika, and Satoshi will never survive all the events the way she wants them to, while also putting plenty of emphasis on how ''all'' of Satoko's loved ones occupy her mind when she wants to stay in Hinamizawa forever, Rika of course taking a huge amount of space in her heart. The manga also takes some blame from Satoko by making it clear that Eua is definitely behind the worst parts of Satoko's experience.]]
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** [[spoiler:Satoko's descent into villainy]] is generally regarded as one of the best aspects of the manga.
*** The ending of ''Sotsu'' was decried for the ultimate solution seemingly being [[spoiler:Satoko simply not going to Saint Lucia with Rika]]. In ''Meguri'', this ''isn't'' treated as a solution, and it's the first thing [[spoiler:Satoko tries after she starts looping.]]
** *** [[spoiler:In the anime, Satoko appears to be almost unfazed from experiencing Rika's century of loops, coming off as apathetic to all the suffering that motivated Rika's desire to leave Hinamizawa, and simply decides to throw her back into the cycle of agony. In the manga, Satoko has a much more visceral reaction to Rika's loops, and doesn't try to stop her from attending St. Lucia's.]]
** *** Those who felt that [[spoiler:Satoko broke too easily after looping and gave up on Satoshi appreciated that her ''Meguri'' counterpart spent hundreds of loops trying out different solutions and a huge part of why she finally snaps is because she realizes that she, Rika, and Satoshi will never survive all the events the way she wants them to, while also putting plenty of emphasis on how ''all'' of Satoko's loved ones occupy her mind when she wants to stay in Hinamizawa forever, Rika of course taking a huge amount of space in her heart. The manga also takes some blame from Satoko by making it clear that Eua is definitely behind the worst parts of Satoko's experience.]]
*** The ending of ''Sotsu'' was decried for the ultimate solution seemingly being [[spoiler:Satoko simply not going to Saint Lucia with Rika]]. In ''Meguri'', this ''isn't'' treated as a solution, and it's the first thing [[spoiler:Satoko tries after she starts looping.]]
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: [[spoiler:SATOKO.]] Fans will either find her to be an interesting villain with a good FreudianExcuse, or believe that she is a bland, one-dimensional villain that is an example of badly written character assassination, and that her motivations are extremley petty and flimsy. Sotsu did not help matters at all, especially towards the end where it basically summed up her FreudianExcuse as [[spoiler:"I don't like studying."]]
** Then there's the debate of whether she deserves redemption. Her defenders will say that the point of Higurashi is that it's a world where all sins are forgiveable and that she was only acting that way because she was mentally broken. Detractors however believe that she is irredeemable. They feel like the show made go way too far in her atrocities and failed to humanize her in a way that would make the audience understand her, especially considering that she [[spoiler:tortured Rika over a petty promise and dragged her friends and everyone else she knows along with this without a hint of remorse, and getting away with it in the end.]]
* Teppei became this after undergoing a redemption arc. While some fans welcomed it for the CharacterDevelopment, a good chunk of people raised a lot of issues with it mostly due to UnfortunateImplications of an forgiving ones abuser (especially since Teppei abuse has negatively affected Satoko and it's implied that he [[CreepyUncle groomed her]]), and how it felt very forced and unnatural for his character. On a lesser note, many people thought that his CharacterDevelopment could've gone to someone else like Keiichi.
** Then there's the debate of whether she deserves redemption. Her defenders will say that the point of Higurashi is that it's a world where all sins are forgiveable and that she was only acting that way because she was mentally broken. Detractors however believe that she is irredeemable. They feel like the show made go way too far in her atrocities and failed to humanize her in a way that would make the audience understand her, especially considering that she [[spoiler:tortured Rika over a petty promise and dragged her friends and everyone else she knows along with this without a hint of remorse, and getting away with it in the end.]]
* Teppei became this after undergoing a redemption arc. While some fans welcomed it for the CharacterDevelopment, a good chunk of people raised a lot of issues with it mostly due to UnfortunateImplications of an forgiving ones abuser (especially since Teppei abuse has negatively affected Satoko and it's implied that he [[CreepyUncle groomed her]]), and how it felt very forced and unnatural for his character. On a lesser note, many people thought that his CharacterDevelopment could've gone to someone else like Keiichi.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: BaseBreakingCharacter:
** [[spoiler:SATOKO.]] Fans will either find her to be an interesting villain with a good FreudianExcuse, or believe that she is a bland, one-dimensional villain that is an example of badly written character assassination, and that her motivations are extremley petty and flimsy. Sotsu did not help matters at all, especially towards the end where it basically summed up her FreudianExcuse as [[spoiler:"I don't like studying."]]
**"]] Then there's the debate of whether she deserves redemption. Her defenders will say that the point of Higurashi is that it's a world where all sins are forgiveable and that she was only acting that way because she was mentally broken. Detractors however believe that she is irredeemable. They feel like the show made go way too far in her atrocities and failed to humanize her in a way that would make the audience understand her, especially considering that she [[spoiler:tortured Rika over a petty promise and dragged her friends and everyone else she knows along with this without a hint of remorse, and getting away with it in the end.]]
* ** Teppei became this after undergoing a redemption arc. While some fans welcomed it for the CharacterDevelopment, a good chunk of people raised a lot of issues with it mostly due to UnfortunateImplications of an forgiving ones abuser (especially since Teppei abuse has negatively affected Satoko and it's implied that he [[CreepyUncle groomed her]]), and how it felt very forced and unnatural for his character. On a lesser note, many people thought that his CharacterDevelopment could've gone to someone else like Keiichi.
** [[spoiler:SATOKO.]] Fans will either find her to be an interesting villain with a good FreudianExcuse, or believe that she is a bland, one-dimensional villain that is an example of badly written character assassination, and that her motivations are extremley petty and flimsy. Sotsu did not help matters at all, especially towards the end where it basically summed up her FreudianExcuse as [[spoiler:"I don't like studying.
**
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** A lot of fans were displeased with the Umineko references not going anywhere. However, this is not the first time Higurashi has made references to its sister series UminekoNoNakuKoroNi (especially with the "witch" Frederica Bernkastel and Rika calling herself that in one arc) since all works in the WTC franchise make constant references to each other. The difference being is that those references were never meant to [[ContinuityLockout]] link the series to each other, and they were insignificant to the grander plot at hand. Gou and Sotsu made it look the references were building up to something while not actually committing to anything at all, and came off as pure [[PanderingToTheBase fan service.]]
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* Teppei became this after undergoing a redemption arc. While some fans welcomed it for the CharacterDevelopment, a good chunk of people raised a lot of issues with it mostly due to UnfortunateImplications of an forgiving ones abuser (especially since Teppei abuse has negatively affected Satoko and it's implied that he [[CreepyUncle groomed her]]), and how it felt very forced and unnatural for his character. On a lesser note, many people thought that his CharacterDevelopment could've gone to someone else like Keiichi.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: ''Meguri'' addresses many of the fans' complaints from the ''Gou/Sotsu'' anime, including:
** Shion, despite having subplots that would fit well into Satoko and Rika's journeys, was DemotedToExtra. ''Meguri'' addresses this by having her not only appearing in the time-skip, but also having her openly state her objections about Rika going to St. Lucia with Satoko, since Shion being student at said academy is a rather important plot point in the series.
** Also in the same series, for fans who thought that Rika was being rather oblivious to Satoko's wellbeing, this was also fixed by showing her actively try to reach out to Satoko, with Rika's friends at St. Lucia's being more responsible for the growing rift between them.
** The ending of ''Sotsu'' was decried for the ultimate solution seemingly being [[spoiler:Satoko simply not going to Saint Lucia with Rika]]. In ''Meguri'', this ''isn't'' treated as a solution, and it's the first thing [[spoiler:Satoko tries after she starts looping.]]
** [[spoiler:In the anime, Satoko appears to be almost unfazed from experiencing Rika's century of loops, coming off as apathetic to all the suffering that motivated Rika's desire to leave Hinamizawa, and simply decides to throw her back into the cycle of agony. In the manga, Satoko has a much more visceral reaction to Rika's loops, and doesn't try to stop her from attending St. Lucia's.]]
** Those who felt that [[spoiler:Satoko broke too easily after looping and gave up on Satoshi appreciated that her ''Meguri'' counterpart spent hundreds of loops trying out different solutions and a huge part of why she finally snaps is because she realizes that she, Rika, and Satoshi will never survive all the events the way she wants them to, while also putting plenty of emphasis on how ''all'' of Satoko's loved ones occupy her mind when she wants to stay in Hinamizawa forever, Rika of course taking a huge amount of space in her heart. The manga also takes some blame from Satoko by making it clear that Eua is definitely behind the worst parts of Satoko's experience.]]
** For those upset that Rika was a PinballProtagonist despite her CharacterDevelopment back in Matsuribayashi and her declaration about fighting fate, ''Meguri'' shows her taking more direct action to reclaim her future. Oniakashi-hen reveals that not only did she try to quell Keiichi's paranoia, but that she [[spoiler: told Tomitake about Takano plans to kill him, Rika, and cause the Great Himanizawa Diaster and to not only stop her, but to call the Bloodhounds unit for protection and to support the broken Takano afterwards.]]
** Shion, despite having subplots that would fit well into Satoko and Rika's journeys, was DemotedToExtra. ''Meguri'' addresses this by having her not only appearing in the time-skip, but also having her openly state her objections about Rika going to St. Lucia with Satoko, since Shion being student at said academy is a rather important plot point in the series.
** Also in the same series, for fans who thought that Rika was being rather oblivious to Satoko's wellbeing, this was also fixed by showing her actively try to reach out to Satoko, with Rika's friends at St. Lucia's being more responsible for the growing rift between them.
** The ending of ''Sotsu'' was decried for the ultimate solution seemingly being [[spoiler:Satoko simply not going to Saint Lucia with Rika]]. In ''Meguri'', this ''isn't'' treated as a solution, and it's the first thing [[spoiler:Satoko tries after she starts looping.]]
** [[spoiler:In the anime, Satoko appears to be almost unfazed from experiencing Rika's century of loops, coming off as apathetic to all the suffering that motivated Rika's desire to leave Hinamizawa, and simply decides to throw her back into the cycle of agony. In the manga, Satoko has a much more visceral reaction to Rika's loops, and doesn't try to stop her from attending St. Lucia's.]]
** Those who felt that [[spoiler:Satoko broke too easily after looping and gave up on Satoshi appreciated that her ''Meguri'' counterpart spent hundreds of loops trying out different solutions and a huge part of why she finally snaps is because she realizes that she, Rika, and Satoshi will never survive all the events the way she wants them to, while also putting plenty of emphasis on how ''all'' of Satoko's loved ones occupy her mind when she wants to stay in Hinamizawa forever, Rika of course taking a huge amount of space in her heart. The manga also takes some blame from Satoko by making it clear that Eua is definitely behind the worst parts of Satoko's experience.]]
** For those upset that Rika was a PinballProtagonist despite her CharacterDevelopment back in Matsuribayashi and her declaration about fighting fate, ''Meguri'' shows her taking more direct action to reclaim her future. Oniakashi-hen reveals that not only did she try to quell Keiichi's paranoia, but that she [[spoiler: told Tomitake about Takano plans to kill him, Rika, and cause the Great Himanizawa Diaster and to not only stop her, but to call the Bloodhounds unit for protection and to support the broken Takano afterwards.]]
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** Shion, despite having subplots that would fit well into Satoko and Rika's journeys, was DemotedToExtra. ''Meguri'' addresses this by having her not only appearing in the time-skip, but also having her openly state her objections about Rika going to St. Lucia with Satoko, since Shion being student at said academy is a rather important plot point in the series.
** Also in the same series, for fans who thought that Rika was being rather oblivious to Satoko's wellbeing, this was also fixed by showing her actively try to reach out to Satoko, with Rika's friends at St. Lucia's being more responsible for the growing rift between them.
** The ending of ''Sotsu'' was decried for the ultimate solution seemingly being [[spoiler:Satoko simply not going to Saint Lucia with Rika]]. In ''Meguri'', this ''isn't'' treated as a solution, and it's the first thing [[spoiler:Satoko tries after she starts looping.]]
** [[spoiler:In the anime, Satoko appears to be almost unfazed from experiencing Rika's century of loops, coming off as apathetic to all the suffering that motivated Rika's desire to leave Hinamizawa, and simply decides to throw her back into the cycle of agony. In the manga, Satoko has a much more visceral reaction to Rika's loops, and doesn't try to stop her from attending St. Lucia's.]]
** Those who felt that [[spoiler:Satoko broke too easily after looping and gave up on Satoshi appreciated that her ''Meguri'' counterpart spent hundreds of loops trying out different solutions and a huge part of why she finally snaps is because she realizes that she, Rika, and Satoshi will never survive all the events the way she wants them to, while also putting plenty of emphasis on how ''all'' of Satoko's loved ones occupy her mind when she wants to stay in Hinamizawa forever, Rika of course taking a huge amount of space in her heart. The manga also takes some blame from Satoko by making it clear that Eua is definitely behind the worst parts of Satoko's experience.]]
** For those upset that Rika was a PinballProtagonist despite her CharacterDevelopment back in Matsuribayashi and her declaration about fighting fate, ''Meguri'' shows her taking more direct action to reclaim her future. Oniakashi-hen reveals that not only did she try to quell Keiichi's paranoia, but that she [[spoiler: told Tomitake about Takano plans to kill him, Rika, and cause the Great Himanizawa Diaster and to not only stop her, but to call the Bloodhounds unit for protection and to support the broken Takano afterwards.]]
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* SalvagedStory: ''Meguri'' addresses many of the fans' complaints from the ''Gou/Sotsu'' anime, including:
** Shion, despite having subplots that would fit well into Satoko and Rika's journeys, was DemotedToExtra. ''Meguri'' addresses this by having her not only appearing in the time-skip, but also having her openly state her objections about Rika going to St. Lucia with Satoko, since Shion being student at said academy is a rather important plot point in the series.
** Also in the same series, for fans who thought that Rika was being rather oblivious to Satoko's wellbeing, this was also fixed by showing her actively try to reach out to Satoko, with Rika's friends at St. Lucia's being more responsible for the growing rift between them.
** The ending of ''Sotsu'' was decried for the ultimate solution seemingly being [[spoiler:Satoko simply not going to Saint Lucia with Rika]]. In ''Meguri'', this ''isn't'' treated as a solution, and it's the first thing [[spoiler:Satoko tries after she starts looping.]]
** [[spoiler:In the anime, Satoko appears to be almost unfazed from experiencing Rika's century of loops, coming off as apathetic to all the suffering that motivated Rika's desire to leave Hinamizawa, and simply decides to throw her back into the cycle of agony. In the manga, Satoko has a much more visceral reaction to Rika's loops, and doesn't try to stop her from attending St. Lucia's.]]
** Those who felt that [[spoiler:Satoko broke too easily after looping and gave up on Satoshi appreciated that her ''Meguri'' counterpart spent hundreds of loops trying out different solutions and a huge part of why she finally snaps is because she realizes that she, Rika, and Satoshi will never survive all the events the way she wants them to, while also putting plenty of emphasis on how ''all'' of Satoko's loved ones occupy her mind when she wants to stay in Hinamizawa forever, Rika of course taking a huge amount of space in her heart. The manga also takes some blame from Satoko by making it clear that Eua is definitely behind the worst parts of Satoko's experience.]]
** For those upset that Rika was a PinballProtagonist despite her CharacterDevelopment back in Matsuribayashi and her declaration about fighting fate, ''Meguri'' shows her taking more direct action to reclaim her future. Oniakashi-hen reveals that not only did she try to quell Keiichi's paranoia, but that she [[spoiler: told Tomitake about Takano plans to kill him, Rika, and cause the Great Himanizawa Diaster and to not only stop her, but to call the Bloodhounds unit for protection and to support the broken Takano afterwards.]]
** Shion, despite having subplots that would fit well into Satoko and Rika's journeys, was DemotedToExtra. ''Meguri'' addresses this by having her not only appearing in the time-skip, but also having her openly state her objections about Rika going to St. Lucia with Satoko, since Shion being student at said academy is a rather important plot point in the series.
** Also in the same series, for fans who thought that Rika was being rather oblivious to Satoko's wellbeing, this was also fixed by showing her actively try to reach out to Satoko, with Rika's friends at St. Lucia's being more responsible for the growing rift between them.
** The ending of ''Sotsu'' was decried for the ultimate solution seemingly being [[spoiler:Satoko simply not going to Saint Lucia with Rika]]. In ''Meguri'', this ''isn't'' treated as a solution, and it's the first thing [[spoiler:Satoko tries after she starts looping.]]
** [[spoiler:In the anime, Satoko appears to be almost unfazed from experiencing Rika's century of loops, coming off as apathetic to all the suffering that motivated Rika's desire to leave Hinamizawa, and simply decides to throw her back into the cycle of agony. In the manga, Satoko has a much more visceral reaction to Rika's loops, and doesn't try to stop her from attending St. Lucia's.]]
** Those who felt that [[spoiler:Satoko broke too easily after looping and gave up on Satoshi appreciated that her ''Meguri'' counterpart spent hundreds of loops trying out different solutions and a huge part of why she finally snaps is because she realizes that she, Rika, and Satoshi will never survive all the events the way she wants them to, while also putting plenty of emphasis on how ''all'' of Satoko's loved ones occupy her mind when she wants to stay in Hinamizawa forever, Rika of course taking a huge amount of space in her heart. The manga also takes some blame from Satoko by making it clear that Eua is definitely behind the worst parts of Satoko's experience.]]
** For those upset that Rika was a PinballProtagonist despite her CharacterDevelopment back in Matsuribayashi and her declaration about fighting fate, ''Meguri'' shows her taking more direct action to reclaim her future. Oniakashi-hen reveals that not only did she try to quell Keiichi's paranoia, but that she [[spoiler: told Tomitake about Takano plans to kill him, Rika, and cause the Great Himanizawa Diaster and to not only stop her, but to call the Bloodhounds unit for protection and to support the broken Takano afterwards.]]
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*** Wataakashi-hen is kicked off with [[spoiler:a wide-awake Mion not noticing an ''injection'' simply because she's using a soda dispenser for a few seconds. The manga version rectifies this by having Satoko drug her and Shion to sleep.]]
** [[spoiler:Hanyuu suddenly giving Rika the ability to remember her deaths, despite being weaker than ever. The manga at least presents this as a trade-off to looping.]]
** [[spoiler:Hanyuu suddenly giving Rika the ability to remember her deaths, despite being weaker than ever. The manga at least presents this as a trade-off to looping.]]
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*** Wataakashi-hen ''Wataakashi-hen'' is kicked off with [[spoiler:a wide-awake Mion not noticing an ''injection'' simply because she's using a soda dispenser for a few seconds. The manga version rectifies this by having Satoko drug her and Shion to sleep.]]
** At the end of ''Wataakashi-hen'', [[spoiler:a crazed Mion has Satoko at gunpoint, just about to shoot her for not giving the answers she wants. How does Satoko get out of this situation? She somehow manages to drop the soy sauce bottle that she needed both arms to hold, pull out her own gun, and shoot Mion first despite Mion's gun already being pointed at her head the whole time.]]
** [[spoiler:Hanyuu suddenly giving Rika the ability to remember her deaths, despite being weaker than ever. The manga at least presents this as a trade-off to any further looping.]]
** At the end of ''Wataakashi-hen'', [[spoiler:a crazed Mion has Satoko at gunpoint, just about to shoot her for not giving the answers she wants. How does Satoko get out of this situation? She somehow manages to drop the soy sauce bottle that she needed both arms to hold, pull out her own gun, and shoot Mion first despite Mion's gun already being pointed at her head the whole time.]]
** [[spoiler:Hanyuu suddenly giving Rika the ability to remember her deaths, despite being weaker than ever. The manga at least presents this as a trade-off to any further looping.]]
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** The concept of an L5 Mion would have been interesting since Mion is the only one who never succumbed to Hinamizawa Syndrome naturally as she trusts her friends and knows the Three Great Families aren't behind the murders & Satoshi's disappearance. Unfortunately, Watadamashi-Hen and Wataakashi-Hen were barely different from Watanagashi-Hen and Meakashi-Hen, simply grafting L5 Shion's traits onto her without much substance to plausibly drive Mion to the same level of paranoia.
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** The concept of an L5 Mion would have been interesting since Mion is the only one who never succumbed to Hinamizawa Syndrome naturally as she trusts her friends and knows the Three Great Families aren't behind the murders & Satoshi's disappearance. Unfortunately, Watadamashi-Hen and Wataakashi-Hen were barely different from Watanagashi-Hen and Meakashi-Hen, the novelty is soon erased when she simply grafting has [[{{Yandere}} L5 Shion's Shion's]] traits onto her without much substance to plausibly drive grafted on her, which is not only uncreative, but disregards all the power and behind-the-scenes information that Mion to should have as the same level next head of paranoia. the Sonozakis.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Satoko once "cried wolf" to Child Services out of spite for one of her stepfathers, making it difficult to get their help when she's genuinely suffering abuse from Teppei later... [[spoiler:and then ''Tatariakashi'' has Satoko feign abuse from a reforming Teppei to manipulate the entire village.]]
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** In episode 4 of Gou, [[spoiler:Rena repeatedly stabbing Keiichi would've been more horrifying if it wasn't for the fact that he was bleeding cartoonish amounts of blood that shouldn't even be possible in real life. It's even somewhat lampshaded that his recovery was a miracle, since a normal person would die from that much blood loss.]]
*** In general, this series has everyone bleeding unrealistic amounts of blood, as if someone was splashing a bucket of paint everywhere. And it can get very distracting during scenes that are supposed to be tragic.
*** In general, this series has everyone bleeding unrealistic amounts of blood, as if someone was splashing a bucket of paint everywhere. And it can get very distracting during scenes that are supposed to be tragic.
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** In general, this series has everyone bleeding unrealistic amounts of blood, as if someone was splashing a bucket of paint everywhere. And it can get very distracting during scenes that are supposed to be tragic.
*** In episode 4 of Gou, [[spoiler:Rena repeatedly stabbing Keiichi would've been more horrifying if it wasn't for the fact that he was bleeding cartoonish amounts of blood that shouldn't even be possible in real life. It's even somewhat lampshaded that his recovery was a miracle, since a normal person would die from that much blood loss.]]
*** Ingeneral, this series has everyone bleeding unrealistic amounts episode 22, [[spoiler:Satoko throws herself in front of blood, as if someone was splashing a bucket of paint everywhere. And it can get very distracting during scenes that are supposed truck to be tragic. loop. The collision results in blood ''splashing over Rika like a puddle''.]]
*** In episode 4 of Gou, [[spoiler:Rena repeatedly stabbing Keiichi would've been more horrifying if it wasn't for the fact that he was bleeding cartoonish amounts of blood that shouldn't even be possible in real life. It's even somewhat lampshaded that his recovery was a miracle, since a normal person would die from that much blood loss.]]
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Many fans do not see this series as a canonical sequel. Main reason being that not only did it undo the happy ending from the original series, but the characterizations and tone felt far too different as well.
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* FanonDiscontinuity: Many fans do not see disregard this series as a canonical sequel. Main reason being that for not only did it undo undoing the happy ending from the original series, but the detracting too much from established characterizations and tone felt far too different as well.tone.
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*** Wataakashi-hen is kicked off with [[spoiler:a wide-awake Mion not noticing an ''injection'' simply because she's using a soda dispenser for a few seconds.]]
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*** Wataakashi-hen is kicked off with [[spoiler:a wide-awake Mion not noticing an ''injection'' simply because she's using a soda dispenser for a few seconds. The manga version rectifies this by having Satoko drug her and Shion to sleep.]]
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** Wataakashi-hen is kicked off with [[spoiler:a wide-awake Mion not noticing an ''injection'' simply because she's using a soda dispenser for a few seconds.]]
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** [[spoiler:Satoko steals H-173 to invoke insanity in people Rika wasn't prepared for, but while the only known victim in the original series, Tomitake, would get injected and claw out his throat in the same night, the descent into madness seems to have been inexplicably neutered to allow the plot to work.]]
*** Wataakashi-hen is kicked off with [[spoiler:a wide-awake Mion not noticing an ''injection'' simply because she's using a soda dispenser for a few seconds.]]
*** Wataakashi-hen is kicked off with [[spoiler:a wide-awake Mion not noticing an ''injection'' simply because she's using a soda dispenser for a few seconds.]]
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** Also in the same series, for fans who thought that Rika was being rather oblivious to Satoko's wellbeing, this was also fixed by showing her actively try to reach out to Satoko.
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** Also in the same series, for fans who thought that Rika was being rather oblivious to Satoko's wellbeing, this was also fixed by showing her actively try to reach out to Satoko.Satoko, with Rika's friends at St. Lucia's being more responsible for the growing rift between them.
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** [[spoiler:In the anime, Satoko appears to be almost unfazed from experiencing Rika's century of loops, coming off as apathetic to all the suffering that motivated Rika's desire to leave Hinamizawa, and simply decides to throw her back into the cycle of agony. In the manga, Satoko has a much more visceral reaction to Rika's loops, and doesn't try to stop her from attending St. Lucia's.]]
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** The concept of an L5 Mion would have been interesting since Mion is the only one who never succumbed to Hinamizawa Syndrome naturally as she trusts her friends and knows the Three Great Families aren't behind the murders & Satoshi's disappearance. Unfortunately, Watadamashi-Hen and Wataakashi-Hen were barely different from Watanagashi-Hen and Meakashi-Hen, simply grafting L5' Shion's traits onto her without much substance to plausibly drive Mion to the same level of paranoia.
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** The concept of an L5 Mion would have been interesting since Mion is the only one who never succumbed to Hinamizawa Syndrome naturally as she trusts her friends and knows the Three Great Families aren't behind the murders & Satoshi's disappearance. Unfortunately, Watadamashi-Hen and Wataakashi-Hen were barely different from Watanagashi-Hen and Meakashi-Hen, simply grafting L5' L5 Shion's traits onto her without much substance to plausibly drive Mion to the same level of paranoia.
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** The ending of ''Sotsu'' was decried for the ultimate solution seemingly being [[spoiler:Satoko simply not going to Saint Lucia with Rika]]. In ''Meguri'', this ''isn't'' treated as a solution, and it's the first thing Satoko tries after she starts looping.
** Those who felt that Satoko broke too easily after looping and gave up on Satoshi appreciated that her ''Meguri'' counterpart spent hundreds of loops trying out different solutions and a huge part of why she finally snaps is because she realizes that she, Rika, and Satoshi will never survive all the events the way she wants them to, while also putting plenty of emphasis on how ''all'' of Satoko's loved ones occupy her mind when she wants to stay in Hinamizawa forever, Rika of course taking a huge amount of space in her heart. The manga also takes some blame from Satoko by making it clear that [[spoiler:Eua]] is definitely behind the worst parts of Satoko's experience.
** Those who felt that Satoko broke too easily after looping and gave up on Satoshi appreciated that her ''Meguri'' counterpart spent hundreds of loops trying out different solutions and a huge part of why she finally snaps is because she realizes that she, Rika, and Satoshi will never survive all the events the way she wants them to, while also putting plenty of emphasis on how ''all'' of Satoko's loved ones occupy her mind when she wants to stay in Hinamizawa forever, Rika of course taking a huge amount of space in her heart. The manga also takes some blame from Satoko by making it clear that [[spoiler:Eua]] is definitely behind the worst parts of Satoko's experience.
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** The ending of ''Sotsu'' was decried for the ultimate solution seemingly being [[spoiler:Satoko simply not going to Saint Lucia with Rika]]. In ''Meguri'', this ''isn't'' treated as a solution, and it's the first thing Satoko [[spoiler:Satoko tries after she starts looping.
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** Those who felt thatSatoko [[spoiler:Satoko broke too easily after looping and gave up on Satoshi appreciated that her ''Meguri'' counterpart spent hundreds of loops trying out different solutions and a huge part of why she finally snaps is because she realizes that she, Rika, and Satoshi will never survive all the events the way she wants them to, while also putting plenty of emphasis on how ''all'' of Satoko's loved ones occupy her mind when she wants to stay in Hinamizawa forever, Rika of course taking a huge amount of space in her heart. The manga also takes some blame from Satoko by making it clear that [[spoiler:Eua]] Eua is definitely behind the worst parts of Satoko's experience.]]
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** The final showdown between Rika and Satoko in ''Sotsu''. while no one will argue that it very out-of-place, some thought it was entertaining for what it was, while others believed it ruined the work.
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** The final showdown between Rika [[spoiler:Rika and Satoko Satoko]] in ''Sotsu''. while no one will argue that it very out-of-place, some thought it was entertaining for what it was, while others believed it ruined the work.
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** Watadamashi-Hen and Wataakashi-Hen are criticized for basically being the same as Watanagashi-Hen and Meakashi-Hen only with Shion replaced with Mion and Satoshi with Keiichi but without the emotional level the former arcs had and contradicts with Mion's character.
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** Watadamashi-Hen and Wataakashi-Hen are criticized for basically being the same as Watanagashi-Hen and Meakashi-Hen Meakashi-Hen, only with Shion replaced with Mion and Satoshi with Keiichi Keiichi, but without the emotional level the former arcs had and contradicts contradicting with Mion's character.
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** Almost none of the normal characters are developed or get anything to do outside of Rika and Satoko, and instead largely serve as pawns being used by Eua or Satoko. When ''Sotsu'' finally caught up to the "present", many viewers were hoping that the "miracle" Hanyuu spoke of would be the club members or possibly even Takano remembering the previous loops and helping Rika against Satoko, but they end up being irrelevant until [[spoiler:the duo exit the loop and return to the real present at the end.]]
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** Almost none of the normal characters main cast are developed or get anything to do outside of Rika and Satoko, and instead largely serve as pawns being used by Eua or Satoko.[[spoiler:Satoko]]. When ''Sotsu'' finally caught up to the "present", many viewers were hoping that the "miracle" Hanyuu spoke of would be the club members or possibly even Takano remembering the previous loops and helping Rika against Satoko, but they end up being irrelevant until [[spoiler:the duo exit the loop and return to the real present at the end.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi-hen'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi-hen'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi-hen'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi-hen'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi-hen'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but the latter had already established the culprit's identity, method and motives by its finale, so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly Satoko injects H173.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi-hen'' ''Onikakushi'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi-hen'' ''Minagoroshi'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi-hen'']]) ''Tatarigoroshi'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi-hen'', ''Meakashi'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi-hen'' ''Watanagashi'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but the latter had already established the culprit's identity, method and motives by its finale, so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly Satoko injects H173.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi-hen'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi-hen'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi-hen'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi-hen'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi-hen'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but by the end of the latter, it had already been established the culprit's identity, method and motives, so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly Satoko injects H173.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi-hen'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi-hen'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi-hen'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi-hen'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi-hen'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but by the end of the latter, it latter had already been established the culprit's identity, method and motives, motives by its finale, so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly Satoko injects H173.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi-hen'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi-hen'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi-hen'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi-hen'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi-hen'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but by the end of the latter, it had already been established that [[spoiler:Satoko was manipulating everyone with lies and H173 injections]], so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly the shot is administered and what exactly Satoko says to trick her victims.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi-hen'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi-hen'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi-hen'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi-hen'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi-hen'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but by the end of the latter, it had already been established that [[spoiler:Satoko was manipulating everyone with lies the culprit's identity, method and H173 injections]], motives, so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly the shot is administered and what exactly Satoko says to trick her victims.injects H173.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi-hen'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi-hen'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi-hen'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi-hen'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi-hen'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but by the end of the latter, it had already been established that [[spoiler:Satoko was using H173 injections on everyone]], so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly the shot is administered.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi-hen'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi-hen'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi-hen'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi-hen'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi-hen'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but by the end of the latter, it had already been established that [[spoiler:Satoko was using manipulating everyone with lies and H173 injections on everyone]], injections]], so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly the shot is administered.administered and what exactly Satoko says to trick her victims.]]
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* InformedWrongness: Sotsu tries to paint Rika as being equally at fault for forcing Satoko to go to a school that she didn't like, which what many feel is a case of false-equivalency. For starters, while Rika didn't properly acknowledge how Satoko might have felt, Satoko was the one who actively started the conflict. She decided to act very passive-aggressive about her problems instead of telling Rika straight-up, and resorted to violence and murder against everyone she knows, all over such a petty ordeal. And Rika never truly forced Satoko to do her bidding, it was Satoko who went along with it, and she never thought to say no.
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* InformedWrongness: Sotsu tries to paint Rika [[spoiler:Rika as being equally at fault for forcing Satoko to go to a school that she didn't like, which what many feel is a case of false-equivalency. For starters, while Rika didn't properly acknowledge how Satoko might have felt, Satoko was the one who actively started the conflict. She decided to act very passive-aggressive about her problems instead of telling Rika straight-up, and resorted to violence and murder against everyone she knows, all over such a petty ordeal. And Rika never truly forced Satoko to do her bidding, it was Satoko who went along with it, and she never thought to say no. ]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi-hen'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi-hen'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi-hen'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi-hen'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi-hen'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follows a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but by the end of the latter, it had already been established that [[spoiler:Satoko was using H173 injections on everyone]], so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly the shot is administered.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi-hen'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi-hen'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi-hen'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi-hen'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi-hen'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follows follow a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but by the end of the latter, it had already been established that [[spoiler:Satoko was using H173 injections on everyone]], so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly the shot is administered.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The Answer arcs of the original story would generally help explain what happened in the Question arcs (such as [[spoiler:Keiichi's remembering his ''Onikakushi-hen'' paranoia under a clearer mind in ''Tsumihoroboshi-hen'', or Satoko's FreakOut in ''Minagoroshi-hen'' showing why she believed Teppei was still abusing her after Keiichi killed him in ''Tatarigoroshi-hen'']]) while still having their own narrative. The exception to this was ''Meakashi-hen'', which was largely a retelling of ''Watanagashi-hen'' from Shion's POV instead of Keiichi's, but it still served its purpose in answering some questions while raising some more. ''Sotsu'' arcs follows a similar structure by largely retelling ''Gou'' arcs, but by the end of the latter, it had already been established that [[spoiler:Satoko was using H173 injections on everyone]], so there's not much to gain from watching most of Sotsu aside from [[spoiler:when exactly the shot is administered.]]
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* AngstAversion: Many found episode 15 of ''Gou'' to be too brutal and depressing, even by the series' standards. As if it wasn't bad enough that Rika has to go through shit each arc, this episode took it [[UpToEleven up to eleven]] by [[spoiler:having Rika die '''4 times''' in a row, and in increasingly violent ways.]] This made many people deem it as straight up TorturePorn.
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* AngstAversion: Many found episode 15 of ''Gou'' to be too brutal and depressing, even by the series' standards. As if it wasn't bad enough that Rika has to go through shit each arc, this episode took it [[UpToEleven up to eleven]] eleven by [[spoiler:having Rika die '''4 times''' in a row, and in increasingly violent ways.]] This made many people deem it as straight up TorturePorn.
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** Each arc starts off as a sugary and wholesome story of friendship. After that...
** A straighter, and more sugary, example is the manga exclusive Kokoroiyashi-hen. It has a TearJerker in it but then it goes straight back to the diabetes.
** The ''Kira'' OVA is both LighterAndSofter and HotterAndSexier than the main story. Even the opening is distinctly upbeat and colourful compared to the others.
** Each arc starts off as a sugary and wholesome story of friendship. After that...
** A straighter, and more sugary, example is the manga exclusive Kokoroiyashi-hen. It has a TearJerker in it but then it goes straight back to the diabetes.
** The ''Kira'' OVA is both LighterAndSofter and HotterAndSexier than the main story. Even the opening is distinctly upbeat and colourful compared to the others.
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** [[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J0WKMcO7akQ&feature=youtu.be AND HERE COMES THE GIANT FIST!!!]][[labelnote:explanation]]The infamously [[TearJerker depressing]] scene where Shion stabs Satoko to death had an edit of it made in 2009 where the audio is replaced by the scene in the ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' episode "[[Recap/SpongeBobSquarePantsS3E5MermaidManAndBarnacleBoyIVDoingTime Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy IV]]" where Patrick plays with a shrunken Squidward, subjecting the original scene to CrossesTheLineTwice for how disturbingly fitting the audio is.
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** [[https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J0WKMcO7akQ&feature=youtu.be AND HERE COMES THE GIANT FIST!!!]][[labelnote:explanation]]The infamously [[TearJerker depressing]] scene where Shion stabs Satoko to death had an edit of it made in 2009 where the audio is replaced by the scene in the ''WesternAnimation/SpongeBobSquarePants'' episode "[[Recap/SpongeBobSquarePantsS3E5MermaidManAndBarnacleBoyIVDoingTime Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy IV]]" where Patrick plays with a shrunken Squidward, subjecting the original scene to CrossesTheLineTwice for how disturbingly fitting the audio is.[[/labelnote]]
