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* TrappedByMountainLions: The LA plotline is irrelevant to the main plot and is widely considered the weakest part of the show. The fact that Carlos has yet to meet any of the others doesn't help.
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** [[spoiler: An eclipse, specifically caused by Phoebe's Umbrakinesis; it has a broad-spectrum depowering effect for many Evos. It took away her healing abilities and she died in childbirth.]]

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** *** [[spoiler: An eclipse, specifically caused by Phoebe's Umbrakinesis; it has a broad-spectrum depowering effect for many Evos. It took away her healing abilities and she died in childbirth.]]
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** The premiere reveals that [[spoiler: Claire Bennett was killed sometime after the end of ''Series/{{Heroes}}''. You know, the girl who was basically invincible? So much so that she recovered from having Sylar ''rip her head open?''. Yeah, something killed her.]] What the hell is that powerful?

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** The premiere reveals that [[spoiler: Claire Bennett Bennet was killed sometime after the end of ''Series/{{Heroes}}''. You know, the girl who was basically invincible? So much so that she recovered from having Sylar ''rip her head open?''. Yeah, something killed her.]] What the hell is that powerful?

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* FridgeHorror: The premiere reveals that [[spoiler: Claire Bennett was killed sometime after the end of ''Series/{{Heroes}}''. You know, the girl who was basically invincible? So much so that she recovered from having Sylar ''rip her head open?''. Yeah, something killed her.]] What the hell is that powerful?
** [[spoiler: An eclipse. It took away her healing abilities and she died in childbirth.]]

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* FridgeHorror: FridgeHorror:
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The premiere reveals that [[spoiler: Claire Bennett was killed sometime after the end of ''Series/{{Heroes}}''. You know, the girl who was basically invincible? So much so that she recovered from having Sylar ''rip her head open?''. Yeah, something killed her.]] What the hell is that powerful?
** [[spoiler: An eclipse.eclipse, specifically caused by Phoebe's Umbrakinesis; it has a broad-spectrum depowering effect for many Evos. It took away her healing abilities and she died in childbirth.]]
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** [[spoiler: An eclipse. It took away her healing abilities and she died in childbirth.]]

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Idiot Ball isn\'t YMMV. Moving.


* IdiotBall: Renautas. To a worrying degree. The Earth is about to undergo a [[ApocalypseWow global extinction event]], so [[SarcasmMode logically]] the first step is to turn public opinion against the evolved race of superbeings who have ''saved the world already several times'', kill/harvest them for power, imprison arguably '''the''' most powerful and use his ability to send plants and animals forward in time to repopulate the ruined Earth. Instead of, maybe, using all that time and energy to instead stop the catastrophe from happening at all. Possibly subverted ala WellIntentionedExtremist, as ongoing plot developments seem to hint that the coming disaster is a planet-scale event that ''cannot'' be stopped, only survived.
** Adding to the Idiot Ball is their refusal to tell anyone else about the aforementioned impending doom, because a lot of the people they've been kidnapping or killing would probably help willingly and/or get out of the way if they just knew ''why''.
*** Noah letting Erica ramble on about her plan instead of just shooting her and solving the problem right away.
**** Similarly, Future Hiro letting Erica walk away when he could have easily stopped time and either killed her or teleported her somewhere else, which again, would solve the problem.
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**** Similarly, Future Hiro letting Erica walk away when he could have easily stopped time and either killed her or teleported her somewhere else, which again, would solve the problem.
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*** Noah letting Erica ramble on about her plan instead of just shooting her and solving the problem right away.
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\"Protecting us from extinction\" is the same excuse Bolivar Trask used, Erica.

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** Adding to the Idiot Ball is their refusal to tell anyone else about the aforementioned impending doom, because a lot of the people they've been kidnapping or killing would probably help willingly and/or get out of the way if they just knew ''why''.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: As is inevitable with a TV budget, even a huge one. Some of the power effect failures are things we have seen in the original series; for instance, multiple evo's powers in the first episode have a body-blurring effect that appears very similar to the one used on [[MasterofIllusion Candace Wilmer]] in Season 1. The pyrotechnics budget seems to be a bit smaller than in the first series, with more CG utilized than controlled burns. A butterfly that may or may not be significant as a motif in the plot appears this way too - it is very obviously CGI'd into the scenes it appears in.
* IdiotBall: Renautas. To a worrying degree. The Earth is about to undergo a [[ApocalypseWow global extinction event]], so [[SarcasmMode logically]] the first step is to turn public opinion against the evolved race of superbeings who have ''saved the world already several times'', kill/harvest them for power, imprison arguably '''the''' most powerful and use his ability to send plants and animals forward in time to repopulate the ruined Earth. Instead of, maybe, using all that time and energy to instead stop the catastrophe from happening at all. Possibly subverted ala WellIntentionedExtremist, as ongoing plot developments seem to hint that the coming disaster is a planet-scale event that ''cannot'' be stopped, only survived.



* NightmareFuel: The [[spoiler: room full of comatose evos hooked into machines and strapped to tables.]] The wiring they [[spoiler: are connected to runs into their ''spines'', actually penetrating the skin and seemingly requiring surgery to remove.]]

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The [[spoiler: room full of comatose evos hooked into machines and strapped to tables.]] The wiring they [[spoiler: are connected to runs into their ''spines'', actually penetrating the skin and seemingly requiring surgery to remove.]]


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* IdiotBall: Renautas. To a worrying degree. The Earth is about to undergo a [[ApocalypseWow global extinction event]], so [[SarcasmMode logically]] the first step is to turn public opinion against the evolved race of superbeings who have ''saved the world already several times'', kill/harvest them for power, imprison arguably '''the''' most powerful and use his ability to send plants and animals forward in time to repopulate the ruined Earth. Instead of, maybe, using all that time and energy to instead stop the catastrophe from happening at all. Possibly subverted ala WellIntentionedExtremist, as ongoing plot developments seem to hint that the coming disaster is a planet-scale event that ''cannot'' be stopped, only survived.
* SpecialEffectsFailure: As is inevitable with a TV budget, even a huge one. Some of the power effect failures are things we have seen in the original series; for instance, multiple evo's powers in the first episode have a body-blurring effect that appears very similar to the one used on [[MasterofIllusion Candace Wilmer]] in Season 1. The pyrotechnics budget seems to be a bit smaller than in the first series, with more CG utilized than controlled burns. A butterfly that may or may not be significant as a motif in the plot appears this way too - it is very obviously CGI'd into the scenes it appears in.
* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot.
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Apparently for some reason And There Was Much Rejoicing is an \"only on its own page one\", so moving it there instead. Odd that that one gets the treatment when so many of the toxic darth wiki ones don\'t...


* AndTheFandomRejoiced - The series as a whole seems to be living up to the "reborn" part of the name, harkening back to the well-thought-out interwoven plot threads and character-centric focus of the first series' early seasons, without simply rehashing the same territory or abandoning the interesting plot developments of the final season. The once-burned fandom may be understandably hesitant to declare the rejoicing official, but signs are pointing toward potential trumpets and feasting.

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trimming down some thread mode


* AndTheFandomRejoiced - The series as a whole seems to be living up to the "reborn" part of the name, harkening back to the well-thought-out interwoven plot threads and character-centric focus of the first series' early seasons, without simply rehashing the same territory or abandoning the interesting plot developments of the final season. The once-burned fandom may be understandably hesitant to declare the rejoicing official, but signs are pointing toward potential trumpets and feasting.



* SpecialEffectsFailure: While the original series had a few cringeworthy moments, like the out-of-frame fight between Sylar and Peter in the BadFuture of season one, this series seems to be attempting to top that. The first series had relatively realistic effects for [[PlayingWithFire pyrokinesis]], something the first episode of ''Reborn'' is... lacking in. A butterfly that may or may not be significant as a motif in the plot appears this way too - it is very obviously CGI'd into the scenes it appears in.
** Admittedly, some of the power effect failures are things we have seen in the original series; for instance, multiple evo's powers in the first episode have a body-blurring effect that appears very similar to the one used on [[MasterofIllusion Candace Wilmer]] in Season 1.
* IdiotBall: Renautas. To a worrying degree. The Earth is about to undergo a [[ApocalypseWow global extinction event]], so [[SarcasmMode logically]] the first step is to turn public opinion against the evolved race of superbeings who have ''saved the world already several times'', kill/harvest them for power, imprison arguably '''the''' most powerful and use his ability to send plants and animals forward in time to repopulate the ruined Earth. Instead of, maybe, using all that time and energy to instead stop the catastrophe from happening at all.

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* SpecialEffectsFailure: While SpecialEffectsFailure: As is inevitable with a TV budget, even a huge one. Some of the power effect failures are things we have seen in the original series had a few cringeworthy moments, like the out-of-frame fight between Sylar and Peter in the BadFuture of season one, this series seems to be attempting to top that. The first series had relatively realistic effects series; for [[PlayingWithFire pyrokinesis]], something instance, multiple evo's powers in the first episode of ''Reborn'' is... lacking in.have a body-blurring effect that appears very similar to the one used on [[MasterofIllusion Candace Wilmer]] in Season 1. The pyrotechnics budget seems to be a bit smaller than in the first series, with more CG utilized than controlled burns. A butterfly that may or may not be significant as a motif in the plot appears this way too - it is very obviously CGI'd into the scenes it appears in.
** Admittedly, some of the power effect failures are things we have seen in the original series; for instance, multiple evo's powers in the first episode have a body-blurring effect that appears very similar to the one used on [[MasterofIllusion Candace Wilmer]] in Season 1.
* IdiotBall: Renautas. To a worrying degree. The Earth is about to undergo a [[ApocalypseWow global extinction event]], so [[SarcasmMode logically]] the first step is to turn public opinion against the evolved race of superbeings who have ''saved the world already several times'', kill/harvest them for power, imprison arguably '''the''' most powerful and use his ability to send plants and animals forward in time to repopulate the ruined Earth. Instead of, maybe, using all that time and energy to instead stop the catastrophe from happening at all. Possibly subverted ala WellIntentionedExtremist, as ongoing plot developments seem to hint that the coming disaster is a planet-scale event that ''cannot'' be stopped, only survived.
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* IdiotBall: Renautas. To a worrying degree. The Earth is about to undergo a [[ApocalypseWow global extinction event]], so [[SarcasmMode logically]] the first step is to turn public opinion against the evolved race of superbeings who have ''saved the world already several times'', kill/harvest them for power, imprison arguably '''the''' most powerful and use his ability to send plants and animals forward in time to repopulate the ruined Earth. Instead of, maybe, using all that time and energy to instead stop the catastrophe from happening at all.
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** EPIC is the sort of technology the Nazis would have loved. A system designed to make the targeted population incapable of escape. And since the ''entire world'' is embracing anti-evo Naziism, that's not good.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Joanne crosses it in the beginning of episode 4 when she outright murders an innocent man just because he was an Evo. To make matters worse, she even jokes about it! At this point, all sympathy the audience might have held for the psychopath evaporates.
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*NightmareFuel: The [[spoiler: room full of comatose evos hooked into machines and strapped to tables.]] The wiring they [[spoiler: are connected to runs into their ''spines'', actually penetrating the skin and seemingly requiring surgery to remove.]]
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** Admittedly, some of the power effect failures are things we have seen in the original series; for instance, multiple evo's powers in the first episode have a body-blurring effect that appears very similar to the one used on [[IllusionMaster Candace Wilmer]] in Season 1.

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** Admittedly, some of the power effect failures are things we have seen in the original series; for instance, multiple evo's powers in the first episode have a body-blurring effect that appears very similar to the one used on [[IllusionMaster [[MasterofIllusion Candace Wilmer]] in Season 1.
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* SpecialEffectsFailure: While the original series had a few cringeworthy moments, like the out-of-frame fight between Sylar and Peter in the BadFuture of season one, this series seems to be attempting to top that. The first series had relatively realistic effects for [[PlayingWithFire pyrokinesis]], something the first episode of ''Reborn'' is... lacking in. A butterfly that may or may not be significant as a motif in the plot appears this way too - it is very obviously CGI'd into the scenes it appears in.
** Admittedly, some of the power effect failures are things we have seen in the original series; for instance, multiple evo's powers in the first episode have a body-blurring effect that appears very similar to the one used on [[IllusionMaster Candace Wilmer]] in Season 1.
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Pulling this for now.


* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot. Early reviews of promotional materials and positive reception of the show's official trailer at Comic-Con helps as well.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot. Early reviews of promotional materials and positive reception of the show's official trailer at Comic-Con helps as well.
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* FridgeHorror: The premiere reveals that [[spoiler: Claire Bennett was killed sometime after the end of ''Series/{{Heroes}}''. You know, the girl who was basically invincible? So much so that she recovered from having Sylar ''rip her head open?''. Yeah, something killed her.]] What the hell is that powerful?

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Base Breaker is for characters only, and Broken Base requires two or more differeing opinions not just complaining in general.


* BaseBreaker: [[spoiler: Unsurprisingly, not everyone is happy about Tim Kring's confirmation that Claire ''and'' Peter [[KilledOffForReal are not coming back]].]]
** As spoilers gradually leak, some people are unhappy with the fact that the storyline is a suspiciously DarkerAndEdgier retelling of the first season.
* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot. Early reviews of promotional materials and positive reception of the show's official trailer at Comic-Con helps as well.

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* BaseBreaker: [[spoiler: Unsurprisingly, not everyone is happy about Tim Kring's confirmation that Claire ''and'' Peter [[KilledOffForReal are not coming back]].]]
** As spoilers gradually leak, some people are unhappy with the fact that the storyline is a suspiciously DarkerAndEdgier retelling of the first season.
* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot. Early reviews of promotional materials and positive reception of the show's official trailer at Comic-Con helps as well.well.
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** As spoilers gradually leak, some people are unhappy with the fact that the storyline is a suspiciously DarkerAndEdgier retelling of the first season.
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* BaseBreaker: [[spoiler: Unsurprisingly, not everyone is happy about Tim Kring's confirmation that Claire's [[KilledOffForReal not coming back]].]]

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* BaseBreaker: [[spoiler: Unsurprisingly, not everyone is happy about Tim Kring's confirmation that Claire's Claire ''and'' Peter [[KilledOffForReal are not coming back]].]]
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* BaseBreaker: [[spoiler: Unsurprisingly, not everyone is happy about Tim Kring's confirmation that Claire's [[KilledOffForReal not coming back]].]]
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Claire revealing the evos to the world led to them being registered, later framed and hunted worldwide. Not a smart move considered the exact same thing happened in season 3.
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Clair revealing the evos to the world led to them being registered, later framed and hunted worldwide. Not a smart move considered the exact same thing happened in season 3.
* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot. Early reviews of promotional materials and positive reception of the ở tv official trailer at Comic-Con helps as well.

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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Clair Claire revealing the evos to the world led to them being registered, later framed and hunted worldwide. Not a smart move considered the exact same thing happened in season 3.
* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot. Early reviews of promotional materials and positive reception of the ở tv show's official trailer at Comic-Con helps as well.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot. Early reviews of promotional materials and positive reception of the official trailer at Comic-Con helps as well.

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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Clair revealing the evos to the world led to them being registered, later framed and hunted worldwide. Not a smart move considered the exact same thing happened in season 3.
* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot. Early reviews of promotional materials and positive reception of the ở tv official trailer at Comic-Con helps as well.
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* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot. Early reviews of promotional materials and positive reception at Comic-Con helps as well.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot. Early reviews of promotional materials and positive reception of the official trailer at Comic-Con helps as well.
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* WinBackTheCrowd: What the show appears to aim for in regards to the parent series' SeasonalRot. Early reviews of promotional materials and positive reception at Comic-Con helps as well.
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