History YMMV / HeavensGate

19th Jul '16 11:47:57 PM PrincessGwen
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** There's also the argument that the film's failure was a result of negative publicity about the film's production reported in news reports before the film's release. Negative publicity had damaged the reception of Film/{{Ishtar}} (a late-80s BoxOfficeBomb that like ''Heaven's Gate'' is now regarded as an excellent film) and this in turn put more pressure on the producers who released a cut-down version to critics which didn't make sense, and only made things worse. This practise of cutting down and sabotaging releases also led to other instances in TheEighties such as ''Film/BladeRunner'' and ''Film/{{Brazil}}'' whose ReCut version released later proved to be successful.

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** There's also the argument that the film's failure was a result of negative publicity about the film's production reported in news reports before the film's release. Negative publicity had damaged the reception of Film/{{Ishtar}} (a late-80s BoxOfficeBomb that like ''Heaven's Gate'' is now regarded as an excellent film) and this in turn put more pressure on the producers who released a cut-down version to critics which didn't make sense, and only made things worse. This practise practice of cutting down and sabotaging releases also led to other instances in TheEighties such as ''Film/BladeRunner'' and ''Film/{{Brazil}}'' whose ReCut version released later proved to be successful.



* OvershadowedByControversy: One of the biggest box office bombs of all time, killed off the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood era of filmmaking and the career of it's director, who took DoingItForTheArt far past acceptability. Anyone actually remember what it's about?

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* OvershadowedByControversy: One of the biggest box office bombs of all time, killed off the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood era of filmmaking and the career of it's its director, who took DoingItForTheArt far past acceptability. Anyone actually remember what it's about?
21st Mar '16 3:41:49 AM LDragon2
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* {{Narm}}: Canton's reaction to Nate's shooting of one of Ella's rapists in his tent.
--> '''Canton''': Not in here!
27th Feb '16 5:42:21 AM VoxAquila
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* ValuesResonance: The film is ultimately about a privileged oligarchy that feels entitled to do whatever it wants to an impoverished minority; a [[TruthInTelevision reality]] that become a defining feature of TheNewTens.
25th Feb '16 5:40:54 AM JulianLapostat
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** Many people consider ''Heaven's Gate'' as the film that ended the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood and scapegoated the entire generation as PrimaDonnaDirector. In actual fact, [[https://books.google.co.in/books?id=DsGTm5DfY1kC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=heaven%27s+gate+did+not+end+new+hollywood&source=bl&ots=c5HzUv6mLH&sig=Wc1GzRt4Z2DEusyksy1k7QjWZAc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwju-5uz_5LLAhWDGI4KHdTHAeIQ6AEIQTAH#v=onepage&q=heaven's%20gate%20did%20not%20end%20new%20hollywood&f=false at the time of the film's release]], funding was already drying up for ambitious projects, the film industry was already bought out by corporations who sought to follow the trend of Franchise/StarWars.
** Other observers point out that the similarly TroubledProduction Film/ApocalypseNow was a box-office success and that Heaven's Gate was also accompanied by other expensive films like Creator/StevenSpielberg's ''1941'' and Creator/WarrenBeatty's ''Reds'', the former being a critical failure, an out of control production and a modest success, while the latter being successful and preserving Beatty's reputation. Spielberg himself enjoyed a couple of expensive flops in TheEighties such as ''Hook'' and ''Empire of the Sun'' yet his career did not quite sink as drastically as Cimino's. In many ways, Cimino's behavior was not especially excessive for his time, and he had success with Film/TheDeerHunter, yet this one failure ruined his Hollywood career good.

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** Many people consider ''Heaven's Gate'' as the film that ended the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood and scapegoated the entire generation as PrimaDonnaDirector. In actual fact, [[https://books.google.co.in/books?id=DsGTm5DfY1kC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=heaven%27s+gate+did+not+end+new+hollywood&source=bl&ots=c5HzUv6mLH&sig=Wc1GzRt4Z2DEusyksy1k7QjWZAc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwju-5uz_5LLAhWDGI4KHdTHAeIQ6AEIQTAH#v=onepage&q=heaven's%20gate%20did%20not%20end%20new%20hollywood&f=false at the time of the film's release]], release, funding was already drying up for ambitious projects, the film industry was already bought out by corporations who sought to follow the trend of Franchise/StarWars.
** Other observers point out that the similarly TroubledProduction Film/ApocalypseNow was a box-office success and that Heaven's Gate was also accompanied by other expensive films like Creator/StevenSpielberg's ''1941'' and Creator/WarrenBeatty's ''Reds'', the former being a critical failure, an out of control production and a modest success, while the latter being successful and preserving Beatty's reputation. Spielberg himself enjoyed a couple of expensive flops in TheEighties such as ''Hook'' and ''Empire of the Sun'' yet his career did not quite sink as drastically as Cimino's. In many ways, Cimino's behavior was not especially excessive for his time, and he had success with Film/TheDeerHunter, Film/TheDeerHunter to justify his ambition and grit, yet this one failure ruined his Hollywood career good. for good.
** There's also the argument that the film's failure was a result of negative publicity about the film's production reported in news reports before the film's release. Negative publicity had damaged the reception of Film/{{Ishtar}} (a late-80s BoxOfficeBomb that like ''Heaven's Gate'' is now regarded as an excellent film) and this in turn put more pressure on the producers who released a cut-down version to critics which didn't make sense, and only made things worse. This practise of cutting down and sabotaging releases also led to other instances in TheEighties such as ''Film/BladeRunner'' and ''Film/{{Brazil}}'' whose ReCut version released later proved to be successful.
25th Feb '16 5:35:00 AM JulianLapostat
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The film has received popularity within some European critics circles.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: The film has received popularity within some European critics circles.circles, especially in France.
* MagnumOpusDissonance: The cast of the film, Kris Kristofferson, Isabelle Huppert, Jeff Bridges love the film and enjoyed their experience making it, with Kristofferson considering it his favorite film to work on.
* {{Misblamed}}:
** Many people consider ''Heaven's Gate'' as the film that ended the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood and scapegoated the entire generation as PrimaDonnaDirector. In actual fact, [[https://books.google.co.in/books?id=DsGTm5DfY1kC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=heaven%27s+gate+did+not+end+new+hollywood&source=bl&ots=c5HzUv6mLH&sig=Wc1GzRt4Z2DEusyksy1k7QjWZAc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwju-5uz_5LLAhWDGI4KHdTHAeIQ6AEIQTAH#v=onepage&q=heaven's%20gate%20did%20not%20end%20new%20hollywood&f=false at the time of the film's release]], funding was already drying up for ambitious projects, the film industry was already bought out by corporations who sought to follow the trend of Franchise/StarWars.
** Other observers point out that the similarly TroubledProduction Film/ApocalypseNow was a box-office success and that Heaven's Gate was also accompanied by other expensive films like Creator/StevenSpielberg's ''1941'' and Creator/WarrenBeatty's ''Reds'', the former being a critical failure, an out of control production and a modest success, while the latter being successful and preserving Beatty's reputation. Spielberg himself enjoyed a couple of expensive flops in TheEighties such as ''Hook'' and ''Empire of the Sun'' yet his career did not quite sink as drastically as Cimino's. In many ways, Cimino's behavior was not especially excessive for his time, and he had success with Film/TheDeerHunter, yet this one failure ruined his Hollywood career good.


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* ScapegoatCreator: Bear in mind that the book on ''Heaven's Gate'' production, "Final Cut" was written by Steven Bach, [[UnreliableNarrator aka vice-president of United Artists and producer]] of Heaven's Gate and as a result, much of the negative reputation of Cimino does not really come from neutral parties.
23rd Feb '16 3:52:12 AM VoxAquila
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: To the surprise of no one, Creator/ChristopherWalken's performance as Nate Champion is considered the standout.


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* RomanticPlotTumor: The LoveTriangle between Averill, Champion, and Ella takes up a great deal of the movie; detractors point out what little chemistry she has with both men.
31st Jan '16 4:34:20 AM OlfinBedwere
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* ProtectionFromEditors: The main reason why the film's budget spiralled so ludicrously out of control; Cimino's contract said that short of outright firing him, the producers could not interfere with the film's writing or filming process in any way. The contract ''did'' allow the producers to make and release their own cut (which they ultimately did), but Cimino ended up creating such a long, dense plot that the producer's cut turned out to be a barely comprehensible mess.
29th Jan '16 8:31:28 AM JulianLapostat
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* MagnumOpusDissonance: Perhaps the definitive example; it's not only one of the biggest box office flops of all time, but widely considered one of the worst films of all time.



* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: The director, the cast, and everyone.
25th Dec '15 4:23:21 PM nombretomado
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* MemeticMutation: When the TroubledProduction of ''{{Movie/Waterworld}}'' became the talk of Hollywood, people started calling it ''Kevin's Gate''.
* OvershadowedByControversy: One of the biggest box office bombs of all time, killed off the NewHollywood era of filmmaking and the career of it's director, who took DoingItForTheArt far past acceptability. Anyone actually remember what it's about?

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* MemeticMutation: When the TroubledProduction of ''{{Movie/Waterworld}}'' ''{{Film/Waterworld}}'' became the talk of Hollywood, people started calling it ''Kevin's Gate''.
* OvershadowedByControversy: One of the biggest box office bombs of all time, killed off the NewHollywood UsefulNotes/NewHollywood era of filmmaking and the career of it's director, who took DoingItForTheArt far past acceptability. Anyone actually remember what it's about?
16th Aug '15 5:21:17 PM NWolfman
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* OvershadwedByControversy: You're hard-pressed to find anyone who remembers the actual plot of the movie rather than it's [[TroubledProduction grueling production]].

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* OvershadwedByControversy: You're hard-pressed to find anyone who remembers the actual plot OvershadowedByControversy: One of the movie rather than biggest box office bombs of all time, killed off the NewHollywood era of filmmaking and the career of it's [[TroubledProduction grueling production]].director, who took DoingItForTheArt far past acceptability. Anyone actually remember what it's about?
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