History YMMV / GuildWars

17th May '15 6:47:48 PM AquaRegia
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*** There's some justification for both. In "Factions", he fight alone, completely alone, there's no stage before you reach him so you only need to prepare for fighting him. In "Nightfall", however, he returns with an extra long (and somewhat challenging mission) alongside the Lich when you finally do fight him. On the plus side the in the refight he's missing a few of his attack including his DesperationAttack, the Lich as far as this troper can tell was also completely lacking skills. But the biggest issue is that you CAN pull Shiro away from the Lich, even if it is difficult and fight both one vs eight. So... If you don't know what's coming the "Factions" fight is harder, if you do though the Nightfall fight will seem harder.
26th Apr '15 9:19:59 AM AquaRegia
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** Also a lot of elementalist bosses, since bosses get a double damage bonus a lot of them can kill players in seconds. Ritualist bosses with Spirit Rift are even more infamous for their party-slaughtering abilities.

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** Also a lot of elementalist bosses, since bosses get a double damage bonus a lot of them can kill players in seconds. Ritualist bosses with Spirit Rift are even more equally infamous for their party-slaughtering abilities.
20th Apr '15 3:38:35 AM AquaRegia
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** Shiro can be quite easy to take down, with the right builds, and especially if a couple of the players have a debuff which makes him take damage from his own attacks, such as Empathy, Pain Inverter or Spoil Victor. The Warrior skill "Wild Blow" is also highly useful against Shiro, as it will end a key stance he takes that protects him against damage.
** To be fair, Shiro has lost his most annoying skills from Factions. The Lich however, got a serious boost.
16th Feb '15 9:17:47 AM StormKnight
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** [[spoiler:Abaddon]] in ''Nightfall'' is a relatively straightforward battle and it mercifully doesn't regen health like other bosses do.

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** [[spoiler:Abaddon]] Abaddon in ''Nightfall'' is a relatively straightforward battle and it mercifully doesn't regen health like other bosses do.



* TheUntwist: The fact that [[spoiler:Vizier Khilbron]] was actually the Lich was almost painfully obvious when first meeting him.

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* TheUntwist: The fact that [[spoiler:Vizier Khilbron]] Vizier Khilbron was actually the Lich was almost painfully obvious when first meeting him.
16th Feb '14 7:45:19 PM TSBasilisk
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* UglyCute: Wallows.

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* UglyCute: Wallows.Wallows.
* TheUntwist: The fact that [[spoiler:Vizier Khilbron]] was actually the Lich was almost painfully obvious when first meeting him.
12th Dec '13 9:06:46 AM StormKnight
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*** There's some justification for both. In "Factions", he fight alone, completely alone, there's no stage before you reach him so you only need to prepare for fighting him. In "Nightfall", however, he returns with an extra long (and somewhat challenging mission) alongside the Lich when you finally do fight him. On the plus side the in the refight he's missing a few of his attack including his DesperationAttack, the Lich as far as this troper can tell was also completely lacking skills. But the biggest issue is that you CAN pull Shiro away from the Lich, even if it is difficult and fight both one vs eight. So... If you don't know what's coming the "Factions" fight is harder, if you do though the "Nightfall fight will seem harder.
* ClicheStorm: The wonderfull visuals and promising game mechanics shown in the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjCehYrEbO0 Guild]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXlzIRYA4NE Wars]] 2 trailers almost succeed in distracting you from the fact that the narrators are phoning it in at times.
--> '''Narrator:''' Now is the time! Claim your destiny! Forge your legend!
** ''Almost.''
** For that matter, there are some one-liners that are awfully cliche, and the plot of Nightfall actually sounds a ''lot'' like a ClicheStorm. (Kourna is TheEmpire, Varesh is the Evil Emperor using evil dark powers; and [[spoiler: is defeated most of the way through the game and her master is being fought as the final boss and making her TheDragon]]. She also has numerous generals; the obviously evil ones as well as the obviously good one who makes a HeelFaceTurn.) Although granted, ''Nightfall'' does tinker around with the formula a little bit, and Abaddon isn't exactly TheManBehindTheMan like in these types of stories, usually.
* CrazyAwesome: It is the general consensus that if Guild Wars 2 doesn't suck, it will be this.
** Vael
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: What do paragons and drunkards have in common? [[spoiler: They both run around with no pants, shouting at people!]]

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*** There's some justification for both. In "Factions", he fight alone, completely alone, there's no stage before you reach him so you only need to prepare for fighting him. In "Nightfall", however, he returns with an extra long (and somewhat challenging mission) alongside the Lich when you finally do fight him. On the plus side the in the refight he's missing a few of his attack including his DesperationAttack, the Lich as far as this troper can tell was also completely lacking skills. But the biggest issue is that you CAN pull Shiro away from the Lich, even if it is difficult and fight both one vs eight. So... If you don't know what's coming the "Factions" fight is harder, if you do though the "Nightfall Nightfall fight will seem harder.
* ClicheStorm: The wonderfull visuals and promising game mechanics shown in the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjCehYrEbO0 Guild]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXlzIRYA4NE Wars]] 2 trailers almost succeed in distracting you from the fact that the narrators are phoning it in at times.
--> '''Narrator:''' Now is the time! Claim your destiny! Forge your legend!
** ''Almost.''
** For that matter, there are some one-liners that are awfully cliche, and the plot of Nightfall actually sounds a ''lot'' like a ClicheStorm. (Kourna is TheEmpire, Varesh is the Evil Emperor using evil dark powers; and [[spoiler: is defeated most of the way through the game and her master is being fought as the final boss and making her TheDragon]]. She also has numerous generals; the obviously evil ones as well as the obviously good one who makes a HeelFaceTurn.) Although granted, ''Nightfall'' does tinker around with the formula a little bit, and Abaddon isn't exactly TheManBehindTheMan like in these types of stories, usually.
* CrazyAwesome: It is the general consensus that if Guild Wars 2 doesn't suck, it will be this.
** Vael
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: What do paragons and drunkards have in common? [[spoiler: They both run around with no pants, shouting at people!]]
harder.



* EvenBetterSequel: GuildWars2 is shaping up to be this and more. Industry professionals are getting increasingly excited about it, and some believe it may be the first serious contender to WorldOfWarcraft's vast dominance of the genre. Even WoW players who had a rivalry with the first GuildWars are, due to the fact that their preferred game is getting long in the tooth, acknowledging that the sequel is well worth investigating.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: ''"I swear, if we didn't need him, I would shove him off a bridge."''. Cue [[spoiler: Gadd's death at the end of the G.O.L.E.M. mission, and Vekk scattering his ashes from the bridge in Riven Earth.]]

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* EvenBetterSequel: GuildWars2 is shaping up to be this and more. Industry professionals are getting increasingly excited about it, and some believe it may be the first serious contender to WorldOfWarcraft's vast dominance of the genre. Even WoW players who had a rivalry with the first GuildWars are, due to the fact that their preferred game is getting long in the tooth, acknowledging that the sequel is well worth investigating.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: ''"I swear, if we didn't need him, I would shove him off a bridge."''. Cue [[spoiler: Gadd's [[spoiler:Gadd's death at the end of the G.O.L.E.M. mission, and Vekk scattering his ashes from the bridge in Riven Earth.]]



* {{Narm}}:"As a boy I spent much time in these lands. Look at them now." To their credit, A-Net poked fun at themselves about this line during the Nightfall campaign with some BadBadActing and writing in the ObviousTrap play performed for Prince Bokka.
* TheScrappy: The [[OurGoblinsAreDifferent Asura]] are ''intentionallly'' designed to be annoying as humanly (Asuraly?) possible. I am sad to say that they hit their characterization on the mark.
** Some players, however, ''like'' the Asura precisely because they're so annoying.
** And out of the races that will be available in Guild Wars two, there has been a lot of complaining that the Sylvari weren't given adequate ForeShadowing; most players would've preferred the Centaurs or Tengu.
*** This may be changing, though, as information about the Sylvari continues to trickle out. And there's always the possibility one or both of the above will become playable in a GW2 expansion.
** Lieutenant Thackeray is starting to get this treatment because [[DieForOurShip of his feelings for Gwen]] (who is pretty obsessed over by the fandom), especially now that it's confirmed they'll marry and have descendants, at least one of whom, Logan Thackeray, is a key NPC in GW2.
*** In an excellent example of how fickle people can be, some are now beginning to apply this trope to Gwen herself, now that [[spoiler:Thackeray has "manned up" as a result of the events in the newest "Guild Wars: Beyond" quest series depicting his adventures after War in Kryta; some are even suggesting that Thackeray should have hooked up instead with Miku, the NPC assassin he meets and fights alongside in these quests]].
** Then there's Kormir from Nightfall, who is hated for releasing Abaddon, being absolutely useless both in the story and gameplay, AND getting rewarded for it by becoming a god.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: this pops up every time [=ArenaNet=] updates the game to change [=PvE=] or [=PvP=] skills.

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* {{Narm}}:"As {{Narm}}: "As a boy I spent much time in these lands. Look at them now." To their credit, A-Net poked fun at themselves about this line during the Nightfall campaign with some BadBadActing and writing in the ObviousTrap play performed for Prince Bokka.
* TheScrappy: The [[OurGoblinsAreDifferent Asura]] are ''intentionallly'' designed to be annoying as humanly (Asuraly?) possible. I am sad to say that they hit their characterization on the mark.
** Some players, however, ''like'' the Asura precisely because they're so annoying.
** And out of the races that will be available in Guild Wars two, there has been a lot of complaining that the Sylvari weren't given adequate ForeShadowing; most players would've preferred the Centaurs or Tengu.
*** This may be changing, though, as information about the Sylvari continues to trickle out. And there's always the possibility one or both of the above will become playable in a GW2 expansion.
** Lieutenant Thackeray is starting to get this treatment because [[DieForOurShip of his feelings for Gwen]] (who is pretty obsessed over by the fandom), especially now that it's confirmed they'll marry and have descendants, at least one of whom, Logan Thackeray, is a key NPC in GW2.
*** In an excellent example of how fickle people can be, some are now beginning to apply this trope to Gwen herself, now that [[spoiler:Thackeray has "manned up" as a result of the events in the newest "Guild Wars: Beyond" quest series depicting his adventures after War in Kryta; some are even suggesting that Thackeray should have hooked up instead with Miku, the NPC assassin he meets and fights alongside in these quests]].
** Then there's
Kormir from Nightfall, who is hated for releasing Abaddon, being considered absolutely useless both in the story and gameplay, AND getting rewarded for it by becoming a god.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: this This pops up every time [=ArenaNet=] updates the game to change [=PvE=] or [=PvP=] skills.



* UglyCute: Wallows.
* UncannyValley: The Asura seem to have gotten more human faces (especially their eyes) between [[http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vekk Eye of the North]] and [[http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/races/asura/ Guild Wars 2]].

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* UglyCute: Wallows.
* UncannyValley: The Asura seem to have gotten more human faces (especially their eyes) between [[http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vekk Eye of the North]] and [[http://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/races/asura/ Guild Wars 2]].
Wallows.
6th Apr '13 11:14:10 AM TNTD
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*** I'll take the Asura over the [[HonorBeforeReason Norn]] anyday
17th Mar '13 8:08:14 AM Austin
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* BoringButPractical: For awhile, "Touch Rangers" who would have an almost neverending stream of energy (combined with their stats, as well as a skill) and could easily drain health from people. The build was literally just alternating between Vampiric Bite and Vampiric Blood, occasionally using Blood Sacrifice or some other touch skill like Throw Dirt. Want a good way to get people raging at you in Random Arenas? Play one of those.
24th Feb '13 1:24:04 PM HotHit
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*** There's some justification for both. In "Factions", he fight alone, completely alone, there's no stage before you reach him so you only need to prepare for fighting him. In "Nightfall", however, he returns with an extra long (and somewhat challenging mission) alongside the Lich when you finally do fight him. On the plus side the in the refight he's missing a few of his attack including his DesperationMove, the Lich as far as this troper can tell was also completely lacking skills. But the biggest issue is that you CAN pull Shiro away from the Lich, even if it is difficult and fight both one vs eight. So... If you don't know what's coming the "Factions" fight is harder, if you do though the "Nightfall fight will seem harder.

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*** There's some justification for both. In "Factions", he fight alone, completely alone, there's no stage before you reach him so you only need to prepare for fighting him. In "Nightfall", however, he returns with an extra long (and somewhat challenging mission) alongside the Lich when you finally do fight him. On the plus side the in the refight he's missing a few of his attack including his DesperationMove, DesperationAttack, the Lich as far as this troper can tell was also completely lacking skills. But the biggest issue is that you CAN pull Shiro away from the Lich, even if it is difficult and fight both one vs eight. So... If you don't know what's coming the "Factions" fight is harder, if you do though the "Nightfall fight will seem harder.
24th Feb '13 1:23:01 PM HotHit
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*** There's some justification for both. In "Factions", he fight alone, completely alone, there's no stage before you reach him so you only need to prepare for fighting him. In "Nightfall", however, he returns with an extra long (and somewhat challenging mission) alongside the Lich when you finally do fight him. On the plus side the in the refight he's missing a few of his attack including his DesperationMove, the Lich as far as this troper can tell was also completely lacking skills. But the biggest issue is that you CAN pull Shiro away from the Lich, even if it is difficult and fight both one vs eight. So... If you don't know what's coming the "Factions" fight is harder, if you do though the "Nightfall fight will seem harder.
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