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* {{Retcon}}: Wearing the necklace gives Melissandre her youthful appearance, However, in "Mockingbird", we see her minus the necklace and still in her youthful form.
** She was mentioned to have used potion and illusion extensively. So this can be easily HandWaved.
** She was mentioned to have used potion and illusion extensively. So this can be easily HandWaved.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Despite all the issues listed below, the episode does at least address one fan complaint by explaining the absence of Edd and anyone else who would have objected to the mutiny: It was done very late at night while they were asleep.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Despite all the issues listed below, the episode does at least address one fan complaint by explaining the absence of Edd and anyone else who would have objected to the mutiny: It was done very late at night while they were asleep. And Ghost was shown being able to sense its owner demise but powerless to do anything because he was caged up. Much like his brother Grey Wind.
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* BrainBleach: SOMEONE HELPS, MELISANDRE CARVED HER WAY INTO MY BRAIN.
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** Dorne continues to deliver with an out-of-nowhere coup, coupled with Obara and Nymeria seemingly performing OffscreenTeleportation to get on Trystane's ship so soon after they were seen at the shore.
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** Dorne continues to deliver deliver.
*** We start with an out-of-nowherecoup, coupled with coup justified by InsaneTrollLogic and accompanied by gratuitous gloating.
*** Obara and Nymeria seeminglyperforming perform OffscreenTeleportation to get on Trystane's ship so soon after they were seen at the shore.shore. Then we're treated to Nymeria trying one-on-one combat in closed quarters with a whip, only to get cockblocked by her older sister. At least she got to say another B-movie one-liner
-->"You're a greedy bitch, you know that?"
*** We start with an out-of-nowhere
*** Obara and Nymeria seemingly
-->"You're a greedy bitch, you know that?"
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** Ramsay's attempts to mourn Myranda are this, especially his line to give Myranda's "good meat" to the dogs.
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** Ramsay's attempts to mourn grief for Myranda are this, especially almost makes you feel sorry for his line loss, if mourner and mournee weren't such despicable characters. What happens next can only be summarized as ''"Ok, that's enough humanizing for today, back to give Myranda's "good meat" business!"'', when Ramsay orders her body to the dogs. be butchered for meat.
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** Dorne continues to deliver with an out-of-nowhere coup. And how did Grumpy and Boring Spice get on Trystane's ship so fast?!
** Olly's smug expression of righteousness.
** Olly's smug expression of righteousness.
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** Dorne continues to deliver with an out-of-nowhere coup. And how did Grumpy coup, coupled with Obara and Boring Spice Nymeria seemingly performing OffscreenTeleportation to get on Trystane's ship so fast?!
soon after they were seen at the shore.
** Olly's smug expression of righteousness. Compounded by the fact that the camera repeatedly turns to him during Thorne's MotiveRant, despite him doing nothing but that one expression in any of the focus shots.
** Olly's smug expression of righteousness. Compounded by the fact that the camera repeatedly turns to him during Thorne's MotiveRant, despite him doing nothing but that one expression in any of the focus shots.
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Misuse. Hate Sink is not subjective, and it is not "The Scrappy But Moreso". It is a character that the writers *intend* to be despised by the audience. Getting more Character Focus may make them a Creators Pet, but that remains to be seen.
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* HateSink: Ellaria and the Sand Snakes have gone from TheScrappy to this, after have usurped their kingdom and murdered their liege and his son (aka the only Martells people liked) in cold blood and gloating about their murders. Fans are hoping for the resurrected Mountain to come to Dorne and finish them off.
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* HateSink: Ellaria and the Sand Snakes have gone from TheScrappy to this, after have usurped their kingdom and murdered their liege and his son (aka only Martells people liked) in cold blood and gloating about their murders. Fans are hoping for the resurrected Mountain to come to Dorne and finish them off.
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* HateSink: Ellaria and the Sand Snakes have gone from TheScrappy to this, after have usurped their kingdom and murdered their liege and his son (aka the only Martells people liked) in cold blood and gloating about their murders. Fans are hoping for the resurrected Mountain to come to Dorne and finish them off.
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Despite all the issues listed below, the episode does at least address one fan complaint by explaining the absence of Edd and anyone else who would have objected to the mutiny: It was done very late at night while they were asleep.
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** Ser Alliser Thorne states that his reasons for betraying Jon Snow was that he left the Wildlings through the Wall. Which begs the question, if his plan was to betray Jon Snow why did he let him and all those Wildlings through the Gate, and ''then'' stab the only man the Wildlings will listen to. Viewers hoping for an AuthorsSavingThrow (Such as news of Stannis' defeat forcing his hand), were left scratching their heads at the depths of his stupidity.
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** Ser Alliser Thorne states that his reasons for betraying Jon Snow was that he left the Wildlings through the Wall. Which begs the question, if his plan was to betray Jon Snow why did he let him and all those Wildlings through the Gate, and ''then'' stab the only man the Wildlings will listen to. Viewers hoping for an AuthorsSavingThrow (Such as news of Stannis' defeat forcing his hand), were left scratching their heads at the depths of his stupidity. It doesn't help that his justification boils down to a SlipperySlopeFallacy [[note]]Stating that since Jon let the Wildlings through the wall, this will all ultimately lead to the downfall of the Night's Watch.[[/note]]
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* JerkassWoobie: Ramsay gets ''so'' close, when he retells the story of how him and Myranda fell in love as childhood sweethearts. But after all it's still one terrible person mourning another terrible person, not to mention his plans to "utilize" her body.
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* JerkassWoobie: JerkassWoobie:
** Ramsay gets ''so'' close, when he retells the story of how him and Myranda fell in love as childhood sweethearts. But after all it's still one terrible person mourning another terrible person, not to mention his plans to "utilize" her body.
** With the death of her second child and her inability to fight fate (not to mention the traumatizing ordeal of the previous season), Cersei played this straight
** Ramsay gets ''so'' close, when he retells the story of how him and Myranda fell in love as childhood sweethearts. But after all it's still one terrible person mourning another terrible person, not to mention his plans to "utilize" her body.
** With the death of her second child and her inability to fight fate (not to mention the traumatizing ordeal of the previous season), Cersei played this straight
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** She was mentioned to have used potion and illusion extensively. So this can be easily HandWaved.
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* Retcon: Wearing the necklace gives Melissandre her youthful appearance, However, in "Mockingbird", we see her minus the necklace and still in her youthful form.
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* Retcon: {{Retcon}}: Wearing the necklace gives Melissandre her youthful appearance, However, in "Mockingbird", we see her minus the necklace and still in her youthful form.
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** Turns out yes, Jaime really was stupid enough to not just turn the boat around while he was barely out of the harbor, and instead goes all the way back to King's Landing...where he starts talking about how he can't wait to get some revenge.
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** Turns out yes, Jaime really was stupid enough to not just turn the boat around while he was barely out of the harbor, and instead goes all the way back to King's Landing... where he starts talking about how he can't wait to get some revenge.
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During the Season 4 episode "Mockingbird", Melissandre is bathing and talking to Selyse Baratheon. Melissandre is naked, minus the necklace (she's not holding it in either hand), and still looks like Clarice von Houten
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* HateSink: Ellaria and the Sand Snakes have gone from TheScrappy to this, after have usurped their kingdom and murdered their liege and his son (aka only Martells people liked) in cold blood and gloating about their murders. Fans are hoping for the resurrected Mountain to come to Dorne and finish them off.
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* RootingForTheEmpire: As of this episode, everyone is rooting for House Lannister against House Martell, especially since the Sand Snakes have usurped their kingdom and murdered their liege and his son (aka only Martells people liked). Fans are hoping for the resurrected Mountain to come to Dorne and finish them off.
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Not YMMV. Moving.
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* FailedASpotCheck: Somehow, the Sons Of The Harpy were able to slip through completely unnoticed by any of the Unsullied or by Varys' spy network, and set fire to the entire Meereen fleet.
** Alternately, the fire may have been caused by the general spreading anarchy in the city with no direct input from the Harpies.
** Inverted and turned BeyondTheImpossible with Jorah. Daynenerys' desperate move to drop her ring so that, by some miracle, her people would find it? Worked like a charm, as Jorah spots it in a second.
** Alternately, the fire may have been caused by the general spreading anarchy in the city with no direct input from the Harpies.
** Inverted and turned BeyondTheImpossible with Jorah. Daynenerys' desperate move to drop her ring so that, by some miracle, her people would find it? Worked like a charm, as Jorah spots it in a second.
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** Inverted and turned BeyondImpossible with Jorah. Daynenerys' desperate move to drop her ring so that, by some miracle, her people would find it? Worked like a charm, as Jorah spots it in a second.
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** Inverted and turned BeyondImpossible BeyondTheImpossible with Jorah. Daynenerys' desperate move to drop her ring so that, by some miracle, her people would find it? Worked like a charm, as Jorah spots it in a second.
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** Alternately, the fire may have been caused by the general spreading anarchy in the city with no direct input from the Harpies.
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** Inverted and turned BeyondImpossible with Jorah. Daynenerys' desperate move to drop her ring so that, by some miracle, her people would find it? Worked like a charm, as Jorah spots it in a second.
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** It is impossible to take Jaime's proclamations of revenge seriously because all one can think of at that is WhatAnIdiot he is by that point (see below) and how the entire situation makes no bloody sense.
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* RootingForTheEmpire: As of this episode, everyone is rooting for House Lannister against House Martell, especially since the Sand Snakes have usurped their kingdom and murdered their liege and his son (aka only Martells people liked). Fans are hoping for the resurrected Mountain to come to Dorne and finish them off.
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* FridgeHorror: Melisandre has seduced countless men to serve her magic, all while being a saggy old crone in disguise. Aside from the fact that this is squicky by itself (not that there's anything morally wrong with seniors being sexually active...), her glamour very likely messed with her targets' heads further than just by making her more physically appealing, actually crossing the line to 'rape by deception'.
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** Dorne continues to deliver with an out-of-nowhere revolution. And how did Grumpy and Boring Spice get on Trystane's ship so fast?!
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** Dorne continues to deliver with an out-of-nowhere revolution.coup. And how did Grumpy and Boring Spice get on Trystane's ship so fast?!
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* {{Narm}}: Dorne continues to deliver with an out-of-nowhere revolution. And how did Grumpy and Boring Spice get on Trystane's ship so fast?!
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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
** Dorne continues to deliver with an out-of-nowhere revolution. And how did Grumpy and Boring Spice get on Trystane's ship sofast?! fast?!
** Olly's smug expression of righteousness.
** Ramsay's attempts to mourn Myranda are this, especially his line to give Myranda's "good meat" to the dogs.
** Dorne continues to deliver with an out-of-nowhere revolution. And how did Grumpy and Boring Spice get on Trystane's ship so
** Olly's smug expression of righteousness.
** Ramsay's attempts to mourn Myranda are this, especially his line to give Myranda's "good meat" to the dogs.
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** Ser Alliser Thorne states that his reasons for betraying Jon Snow was that he left the Wildlings through the Wall. Which begs the question, if his plan was to betray Jon Snow why did he let him and all those Wildlings through the Gate, and ''then'' stab the only man the Wildlings will listen to. Viewers hoping for an AuthorsSavingThrow (Such as news of Stannis' defeat forcing his hand), were left scratching their heads at the depths of his stupidity.
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* BileFascination: Some of the showviewers and online commenters who had been alerted to the latest twists in the Dornish subplot watched the episode solely to see if things were actually going to be as bad as it seemed.
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* BrokenBase: The show runners elected to double down on people's hatred of the Dorne storyline by removing the few things that were actually popular about it. Bookwalkers especially were pissed as Doran's death cuts off any possibility that he could be revealed to secretly be TheChessmaster like the original.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The show runners elected to double down on people's hatred of the Dorne storyline by removing the few things that were actually popular about it. Book readers especially were pissed, as Doran's death cuts off any possibility that he could be revealed to secretly be TheChessmaster like the original.
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* FailedASpotCheck: somehow, the Sons Of The Harpy were able to slip through completely unnoticed by any of the Unsullied or by Varys' spy network, and set fire to the entire Meereen fleet.
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* FailedASpotCheck: somehow, Somehow, the Sons Of The Harpy were able to slip through completely unnoticed by any of the Unsullied or by Varys' spy network, and set fire to the entire Meereen fleet.
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** Trystane does not behave pragmatically at all when confronted by the Sand Snakes. In particular, side-stepping so that he would be standing directly in front of one of them, back turned to her, left him extremely vulnerable for attack.
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** Trystane does not behave pragmatically at all when confronted by the Sand Snakes. In particular, side-stepping so that he would be standing directly in front of one of them, back turned to her, left him extremely vulnerable for attack.attack.
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* FanDisservice: We get a full frontal shot of Mellisandre's real, ancient body, like the bill's finally come for five seasons' worth of gratuitous nude hot young women.
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* FanDisservice: We get a full frontal shot of Mellisandre's real, ancient body, like JerkassWoobie: Ramsay gets ''so'' close, when he retells the bill's finally come for five seasons' worth story of gratuitous nude hot young women.how him and Myranda fell in love as childhood sweethearts. But after all it's still one terrible person mourning another terrible person, not to mention his plans to "utilize" her body.
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* {{Narm}}: Dorne continues to deliver with an out-of-nowhere revolution. And how did Grumpy and Boring Spice get on Trystane's ship so fast?!
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* FailedASpotCheck: somehow, the Sons Of The Harpy were able to slip through completely unnoticed by any of the Unsullied or by Varys' spy network, and set fire to the entire Meereen fleet.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Turns out yes, Jaime really was stupid enough to not just turn the boat around while he was barely out of the harbor, and instead goes all the way back to King's Landing...where he starts talking about how he can't wait to get some revenge.
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* WhatAnIdiot: WhatAnIdiot:
** Turns out yes, Jaime really was stupid enough to not just turn the boat around while he was barely out of the harbor, and instead goes all the way back to King's Landing...where he starts talking about how he can't wait to get somerevenge.revenge.
** Trystane does not behave pragmatically at all when confronted by the Sand Snakes. In particular, side-stepping so that he would be standing directly in front of one of them, back turned to her, left him extremely vulnerable for attack.
** Turns out yes, Jaime really was stupid enough to not just turn the boat around while he was barely out of the harbor, and instead goes all the way back to King's Landing...where he starts talking about how he can't wait to get some
** Trystane does not behave pragmatically at all when confronted by the Sand Snakes. In particular, side-stepping so that he would be standing directly in front of one of them, back turned to her, left him extremely vulnerable for attack.
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* BrokenBase: The show runners elected to double down on people's hatred of the Dorne storyline by removing the few things that were actually popular about it. Bookwalkers especially were pissed as Doran's death cuts off any possibility that he could be revealed to secretly be TheChessmaster like the original.
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* FanDisservice: We get a full frontal shot of Mellisandre's real, ancient body, like the bill's finally come for five seasons' worth of gratuitous nude hot young women.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Turns out yes, Jaime really was stupid enough to not just turn the boat around while he was barely out of the harbor, and instead goes all the way back to King's Landing...where he starts talking about how he can't wait to get some revenge.