History YMMV / FullmetalAlchemist

15th Apr '16 3:03:04 PM Animeking1108
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** Envy being [[spoiler: Hohenhiem's son]] comes off as this since there was no build-up prior to the reveal.


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Izumi. Despite being Ed and Al's mentor and [[spoiler: Dante's disciple]], she doesn't contribute much in the end outside of [[spoiler: Wrath]]. Not helping matters was her [[spoiler: offscreen death]] in TheMovie.
4th Apr '16 5:49:14 PM Eagal
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* MemeticPsychopath: As a result of his crossing of the MoralEventHorizon (see below), Tucker has become a shorthand reference/comparison for antagonists who abuse children and/or induce grotesque experimentation.
* MemeticMutation: Making any kind of joke about Nina and her dog getting fused into a monstrous chimera evokes all sorts of backlash from the fandom, including but not limited to NoJustNoReaction, [[YouMonster "This is NOT OK"]], GetOut, among others.



** MemeticPsychopath: As a result, Tucker has become a shorthand reference/comparison for antagonists who abuse children and/or induce grotesque experimentation.
*** MemeticMutation: Making any kind of joke about Nina and her dog getting fused into a monstrous chimera evokes all sorts of backlash from the fandom, including but not limited to NoJustNoReaction, [[YouMonster "This is NOT OK"]], GetOut, among others.



* HellIsThatNoise: [[spoiler:When the [[NightOfTheLivingMooks mannequin soldiers]] are awakened during [[ApocalypseHow the Promised Day]]]]. If that first scream from [[spoiler:one of the mannequins]] was from a character in any series being tortured by {{Satan}} in Hell, it would've been among the more terrifying examples. Which, considering their very state of existence as well as the BigBad [[SatanicArchetype of the series]], [[FridgeBrilliance well]]
2nd Apr '16 10:08:20 AM Berry23
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** Are Roy and Riza 'obviously' in love with each other or just platonic? [[TakeAThirdOption Or is it truly ambiguous?]] Same with Al and May.

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** Are Roy and Riza 'obviously' in love with each other or just platonic? [[TakeAThirdOption Or is it truly ambiguous?]] Same with Al and May. [[note]]Though the former became a lot less of a base breaker when Arakawa wrote something along the lines of 'anti-fraternization laws are the only thing stopping the Roy and Riza from getting married' in the [[NoExportForYou third official artbook.]][[/note]]
6th Mar '16 11:29:48 PM hellolonely
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Both series have this in spades. Both canons have their own takes on the characters and themes of the story. Add the multitude of fandom interpretations and head canons to that, and you have a colorful hodge-podge of different (and sometimes [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks conflicting]]) ideas and analyses. This in addition to both versions of the story being ''very good'' and having passionate fanbases, has caused many a [[FlameWar flame war]].

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Both series have this in spades. Both canons have their own takes on the characters and themes of the story. Add the multitude of fandom interpretations and head canons to that, and you have a colorful hodge-podge of different (and sometimes [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks conflicting]]) ideas and analyses. This in addition to both versions of the story being ''very good'' and having passionate fanbases, has caused many a [[FlameWar flame war]].
2nd Mar '16 5:21:51 PM Saintasho
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** Was the manga's ending incredible or did it feel like fanfiction?
16th Feb '16 7:11:08 AM Patcher
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* {{Woolseyism}}: Xing's answer to alchemy (''renkinjutsu'') is ''rentanjutsu''. This word refers to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_alchemy Chinese alchemy,]] but actually using something like "Oriental alchemy" or "Xingese alchemy" would get pretty stale and unwieldy after a while. The ''rentan'' refers to the goal of Chinese alchemy, the elixir of life. Drawing off of this, Funimation dubbed it as "alkahestry", after [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkahestry alkahest]]. As a universal solvent, alkahest was another hypothetical goal of alchemy and would have had valuable medicinal applications; [[GeniusBonus if you understand the reference]], "alkahestry" manages to convey Chinese alchemy's greater concern with medicine than with gold and sounds exotic next to "alchemy". The substance was supposedly invented by Paracelsus, whose birth name was Von Hohenheim, and the fictional Von Hohenheim was the inventor of Xingese alkehestry.

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* {{Woolseyism}}: Xing's answer to alchemy (''renkinjutsu'') is ''rentanjutsu''. This word refers to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_alchemy Chinese alchemy,]] but actually using something like "Oriental alchemy" or "Xingese alchemy" would get pretty stale and unwieldy after a while. The ''rentan'' refers to the goal of Chinese alchemy, the elixir of life. Drawing off of this, Funimation dubbed it as "alkahestry", after [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkahestry alkahest]]. As a universal solvent, alkahest was another hypothetical goal of alchemy and would have had valuable medicinal applications; [[GeniusBonus if you understand the reference]], "alkahestry" manages to convey Chinese alchemy's greater concern with medicine than with gold and sounds exotic next to "alchemy". The substance was supposedly invented by Paracelsus, whose birth name was Von Hohenheim, and the fictional Von Hohenheim was the inventor of Xingese alkehestry.alkahestry.
14th Feb '16 10:02:17 PM AriRockefeller
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*** MemeticMutation: Making any kind of joke about Nina and her dog getting fused into a monstrous chimera evokes all sorts of backlash from the fandom, including but not limited to NoJustNoReaction, [[YouMonster "This is NOT OK"]], GetOut, among others.
6th Feb '16 12:39:55 PM SomeoneElse17
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** Late in the series Roy meets up with [[CompleteMonster En]][[SmugSnake vy]] who proceeds to [[IShallTauntYou taunt him]] about [[spoiler: [[MoralEventHorizon Hughes's murder]] at his hands]]. Roy snaps and begins repeatedly flash frying him, [[CombatPragmatist not giving him a chance to escape]] and burning up his accumulated ExtraLives for good measure. This is treated as a MoralEventHorizon that would send Roy [[JumpingOfftheSlipperySlope screaming off the slippery slope]]. The problem? Not only was Roy's reaction completely understandable, not only had now reformed anti-hero Scar gone way farther than that and been accepted back, but Roy already [[KillItWithFire did the same thing]] to [[TheVamp Lu]][[EvilisSexy st]] earlier in the series and [[DoubleStandard no one complained]]. Justified in context by the difference in Roy's mental state, as he was clear-headedly defending his {{Protectorate}} from Lust but later was overcome in a RoaringRampageOfRevenge against Hughes' killer Envy; as well as how much damage he could commit as a ''future leader of post-Father Amestris'' if he ever started on a path of letting hate and vengeance consume him as Scar had, with Scar himself outright expressing fear at the thought of it.

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** Late in the series Roy meets up with [[CompleteMonster En]][[SmugSnake vy]] who proceeds to [[IShallTauntYou taunt him]] about [[spoiler: [[MoralEventHorizon Hughes's murder]] at his hands]]. Roy snaps and begins repeatedly flash frying him, [[CombatPragmatist not giving him a chance to escape]] and burning up his accumulated ExtraLives for good measure. This is treated as a MoralEventHorizon that would send Roy [[JumpingOfftheSlipperySlope screaming off the slippery slope]]. The problem? Not only was Roy's reaction completely understandable, not only had now reformed anti-hero Scar gone way farther than that and been accepted back, but Roy already [[KillItWithFire did the same thing]] to [[TheVamp Lu]][[EvilisSexy st]] earlier in the series and [[DoubleStandard no one complained]]. Justified in context by the difference in Roy's mental state, as he was clear-headedly defending his {{Protectorate}} from Lust but later was whereas with Envy he'd been overcome in a RoaringRampageOfRevenge against Hughes' killer Envy; killer; as well as how much damage he could commit as a ''future leader of post-Father Amestris'' if he ever started on a path of letting hate and vengeance consume him as Scar once had, with Scar himself [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness outright expressing fear fear]] at the thought of it.
6th Feb '16 12:39:03 PM SomeoneElse17
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** Late in the series Roy meets up with [[CompleteMonster En]][[SmugSnake vy]] who proceeds to [[IShallTauntYou taunt him]] about [[spoiler: [[MoralEventHorizon Hughes's murder]] at his hands]]. Roy snaps and begins repeatedly flash frying him, [[CombatPragmatist not giving him a chance to escape]] and burning up his accumulated ExtraLives for good measure. This is treated as a MoralEventHorizon that would send Roy [[JumpingOfftheSlipperySlope screaming off the slippery slope]]. The problem? Not only was Roy's reaction completely understandable, not only had now reformed anti-hero Scar gone way farther than that and been accepted back, but Roy already [[KillItWithFire did the same thing]] to [[TheVamp Lu]][[EvilisSexy st]] earlier in the series and [[DoubleStandard no one complained]].
** In this case it's justified in context. The difference between Roy vs. Lust and Roy vs. Envy was Roy's motivation and mental state. Roy was clear-headed about why he was killing Lust, to make sure she couldn't [[{{Protectorate}} kill Riza or harm any more of his friends]]. But when it came to Envy, Roy was [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge overcome with rage and vengeance at Hughes' killer]], hence the screaming and the eyes narrowed to slits. Furthermore, Scar's former berserk ways were part of the plot point with Roy's actions, as Scar himself was one of the people talking Roy down. He not only pointed out directly that finishing Envy would ''start'' Roy on a similar path to the one Scar took in his old hatred, he reminded Roy of his ambition to take charge and reform post-Father Amestris and stated that ''he shuddered to think'' of the damage a man ''leading a country'' while consumed with hate like he once was could cause in the future.

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** Late in the series Roy meets up with [[CompleteMonster En]][[SmugSnake vy]] who proceeds to [[IShallTauntYou taunt him]] about [[spoiler: [[MoralEventHorizon Hughes's murder]] at his hands]]. Roy snaps and begins repeatedly flash frying him, [[CombatPragmatist not giving him a chance to escape]] and burning up his accumulated ExtraLives for good measure. This is treated as a MoralEventHorizon that would send Roy [[JumpingOfftheSlipperySlope screaming off the slippery slope]]. The problem? Not only was Roy's reaction completely understandable, not only had now reformed anti-hero Scar gone way farther than that and been accepted back, but Roy already [[KillItWithFire did the same thing]] to [[TheVamp Lu]][[EvilisSexy st]] earlier in the series and [[DoubleStandard no one complained]].
** In this case it's justified
complained]]. Justified in context. The context by the difference between Roy vs. Lust and Roy vs. Envy was in Roy's motivation and mental state. Roy was clear-headed about why state, as he was killing Lust, to make sure she couldn't [[{{Protectorate}} kill Riza or harm any more of clear-headedly defending his friends]]. But when it came to Envy, Roy {{Protectorate}} from Lust but later was [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge overcome with rage and vengeance at in a RoaringRampageOfRevenge against Hughes' killer]], hence the screaming and the eyes narrowed to slits. Furthermore, Scar's former berserk ways were part killer Envy; as well as how much damage he could commit as a ''future leader of the plot point post-Father Amestris'' if he ever started on a path of letting hate and vengeance consume him as Scar had, with Roy's actions, as Scar himself was one of outright expressing fear at the people talking Roy down. He not only pointed out directly that finishing Envy would ''start'' Roy on a similar path to the one Scar took in his old hatred, he reminded Roy thought of his ambition to take charge and reform post-Father Amestris and stated that ''he shuddered to think'' of the damage a man ''leading a country'' while consumed with hate like he once was could cause in the future.it.
6th Feb '16 12:31:56 PM SomeoneElse17
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** In this case it's justified in context. The difference between Roy vs. Lust and Roy vs. Envy was Roy's motivation and mental state. Roy was clear-headed about why he was killing Lust; to make sure she couldn't [[{{Protectorate}} kill Riza or harm any more of his friends]]. but when it came to Envy, Roy was [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge overcome with rage and vengeance at Hughes' killer]], hence the screaming and the eyes narrowed to slits. Furthermore, Scar's former berserk ways were part of the plot point with Roy's actions, as Scar himself was one of the people talking Roy down. He not only pointed out directly that finishing Envy would ''start'' Roy on a similar path to the one Scar took in his old hatred, he reminded Roy of his ambition to take charge and reform post-Father Amestris and stated that ''he shuddered to think'' of the damage a man ''leading a country'' while consumed with hate like he once was could cause in the future.

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** In this case it's justified in context. The difference between Roy vs. Lust and Roy vs. Envy was Roy's motivation and mental state. Roy was clear-headed about why he was killing Lust; Lust, to make sure she couldn't [[{{Protectorate}} kill Riza or harm any more of his friends]]. but But when it came to Envy, Roy was [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge overcome with rage and vengeance at Hughes' killer]], hence the screaming and the eyes narrowed to slits. Furthermore, Scar's former berserk ways were part of the plot point with Roy's actions, as Scar himself was one of the people talking Roy down. He not only pointed out directly that finishing Envy would ''start'' Roy on a similar path to the one Scar took in his old hatred, he reminded Roy of his ambition to take charge and reform post-Father Amestris and stated that ''he shuddered to think'' of the damage a man ''leading a country'' while consumed with hate like he once was could cause in the future.
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