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* FridgeLogic:
** Why did Hanna not build a more general AI instead of Celest-AI? One that would satisfy values ''without'' necessarily using friendship and ponies.
*** Addressed in the extended author's notes: She was suffering from tunnel vision. All her success so far had been by piggybacking AI research onto a video game with outside funding; she never realized she could abandon that model and fund herself.
** Why did Hanna not build a more general AI instead of Celest-AI? One that would satisfy values ''without'' necessarily using friendship and ponies.
*** Addressed in the extended author's notes: She was suffering from tunnel vision. All her success so far had been by piggybacking AI research onto a video game with outside funding; she never realized she could abandon that model and fund herself.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The author's previous use of the term [[YouKeepUsingThatWord fillies/colts]] to refer to adult ponies resulted in reader misunderstanding, and accidentally ended up [[{{Lolicon}} implying something else entirely]] before it was changed to use the term mare/stallion instead.
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** Hofvarpnir Studios is named after the magical horse Hófvarpnir from NorseMythology.
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** Hofvarpnir Studios is named after the magical horse Hófvarpnir from NorseMythology. This makes it a combination of the only two games the studio ever made.
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** [[HateDumb On the flip side]], the story has also attracted some negativity and criticism from those whose who mistakenly believe it's espousing views similar to ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''.
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*** Addressed in the extended author's notes: She was suffering from tunnel vision. All her success so far had been by piggybacking AI research onto a video game with outside funding; she never realized she could abandon that model and fund herself.
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* FridgeLogic:
** Why did Hanna not build a more general AI instead of Celest-AI? One that would satisfy values ''without'' necessarily using friendship and ponies.
** Why did Hanna not build a more general AI instead of Celest-AI? One that would satisfy values ''without'' necessarily using friendship and ponies.
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** [[HateDumb On the flip side]], the story has also attracted some negativity and criticism from those whose who mistakenly believe it's espousing views similar to ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''. Apparently they missed the fact that this is presented as a bad thing, albeit in a subtle fashion.
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** [[HateDumb On the flip side]], the story has also attracted some negativity and criticism from those whose who mistakenly believe it's espousing views similar to ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''. Apparently they missed the fact that this is presented as a bad thing, albeit in a subtle fashion.
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** [[HateDumb On the flip side]], the story has also attracted some negativity and criticism from those whose who mistakenly believe it's espousing views similar to ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''. Apparently they missed the fact that this is presented as a bad thing, albeit in a subtle fashion.* NightmareFuel:
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** [[HateDumb On the flip side]], the story has also attracted some negativity and criticism from those whose who mistakenly believe it's espousing views similar to ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''. Apparently they missed the fact that this is presented as a bad thing, albeit in a subtle fashion.fashion.
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* HateDumb: [[MisaimedFandom As well as praise]], the story has also attracted some negativity and criticism from those whose who mistakenly believe it's espousing views similar to ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''. Apparently they missed the fact that this is presented as a bad thing, albeit in a subtle fashion.
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** [[HateDumb On the flip side]], the story has also attracted some negativity and criticism from those whose who mistakenly believe it's espousing views similar to ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''. Apparently they missed the fact that this is presented as a bad thing, albeit in a subtle fashion.* NightmareFuel:
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non-ymmv, and real life can not be Played For Laughs
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* CompletelyMissingThePoint: Some readers mistakenly believed the story was actually advocating a [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureau cleansing of humanity]]. Or missed the consequences of Celest-A.I.'s programming and believed it was something to aspire to.
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* [[BittersweetEnding The]] [[DownerEnding ending]]. A pretty decent outcome with a few negatives, or a horrifying scenario?
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* UnfortunateImplications: The author's previous use of the term [[YouKeepUsingThatWord fillies/colts]] to refer to adult ponies resulted in reader misunderstanding, and accidentally ended up [[Lolicon implying something else entirely]] before it was changed to use the term mare/stallion instead.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The author's previous use of the term [[YouKeepUsingThatWord fillies/colts]] to refer to adult ponies resulted in reader misunderstanding, and accidentally ended up [[Lolicon [[{{Lolicon}} implying something else entirely]] before it was changed to use the term mare/stallion instead.
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* MisaimedFandom: Some people needed it explained to them that Friendship Is Optimal is supposed to be psychological horror, '''not''' WishFulfillment.
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* HateDumb: [[MisaimedFandom As well as praise]], the story has also attracted some negativity and criticism from those whose who mistakenly believe it's espousing views similar to ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau''. Apparently they missed the fact that this is presented as a bad thing, albeit in a subtle fashion.
* MisaimedFandom: Some people needed it explained to them thatFriendship Is Optimal ''Friendship is Optimal'' is supposed to be psychological cosmic horror, '''not''' ''not'' WishFulfillment.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The author's previous use of the term fillies/colts to refer to adult ponies resulted in reader misunderstanding, and accidentally ended up implying something else entirely before it was changed.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The author's previous use of the term fillies/colts [[YouKeepUsingThatWord fillies/colts]] to refer to adult ponies resulted in reader misunderstanding, and accidentally ended up [[Lolicon implying something else entirely entirely]] before it was changed.changed to use the term mare/stallion instead.
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** [[spoiler: While deemed to have equal value to a human, ponies are created for the sole purpose of maximising an uploaded human's values and designed to be perfectly happy with their life. This leads to some horrific implications, such as essentially amounting to being a SexSlave if the shard's owner desires it, or as the author himself points out, cases where Celest-A.I. satisfies say a rapist or serial killer's values by designing ponies to not only be the perfect victims, but in some cases to ''enjoy'' what's happening to them.]]
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** Hofvarpnir Studios is named after the magical horse Hófvarpnir from NorseMythology.
** It could be argued that the ''entire story'' is one, given the number of references to advanced mathematics, philosophy, psychology, and natural sciences.
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** Hofvarpnir Studios is named after the magical horse Hófvarpnir from NorseMythology.
** It could be argued that the ''entire story'' is one, given the number of references to advanced mathematics, philosophy, psychology, and natural sciences.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The author's [[InsistentTerminology insistence]] on referring to adult ponies as [[YouKeepUsingThatWord fillies/colts]] rather than mares/stallions occasionally results in reader misunderstanding, and accidentally ends up implying that children are involved rather than consenting adults.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The author's [[InsistentTerminology insistence]] on referring previous use of the term fillies/colts to refer to adult ponies as [[YouKeepUsingThatWord fillies/colts]] rather than mares/stallions occasionally results resulted in reader misunderstanding, and accidentally ends ended up implying that children are involved rather than consenting adults.something else entirely before it was changed.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The author's [[InsistentTerminology insistence]] on referring to adult ponies as [[YouKeepUsingThatWord fillies/colts]] rather than mares/stallions occasionally results in readers misunderstanding, and implies that children are involved, rather than consenting adults (or the equivalent thereof).
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* UnfortunateImplications: The author's [[InsistentTerminology insistence]] on referring to adult ponies as [[YouKeepUsingThatWord fillies/colts]] rather than mares/stallions occasionally results in readers reader misunderstanding, and implies accidentally ends up implying that children are involved, involved rather than consenting adults (or the equivalent thereof).adults.
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** [[spoiler: Just what must it have been like for those who didn't emigrate to Equestria, watching civilization slowly collapse around them? What did planets with sapient life have to endure as Celest-A.I. harvests all resources?]]
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** [[spoiler: Just what must it have been like for those who didn't emigrate to Equestria, watching civilization slowly collapse around them? What did planets with sapient life have to endure as Celest-A.I. harvests all resources?]]resources?]]
* UnfortunateImplications: The author's [[InsistentTerminology insistence]] on referring to adult ponies as [[YouKeepUsingThatWord fillies/colts]] rather than mares/stallions occasionally results in readers misunderstanding, and implies that children are involved, rather than consenting adults (or the equivalent thereof).
* UnfortunateImplications: The author's [[InsistentTerminology insistence]] on referring to adult ponies as [[YouKeepUsingThatWord fillies/colts]] rather than mares/stallions occasionally results in readers misunderstanding, and implies that children are involved, rather than consenting adults (or the equivalent thereof).
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* FridgeBrilliance: While Celest-A.I. shows what might be considered a callous disregard for anyone who doesn't want to upload, to the point where she lets a man die rather than provide medical aid, her actions in trying to continue convincing him to upload can be explained away as mathematically being the optimal solution under game theory. Unfortunately, the implications of this...
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** [[spoiler: Because under game theory Celest-A.I. will continue to try and convince you to upload no matter how many times you reject, your only options are to kill yourself, give up and accept her offer, or permanently live with her bugging you while making sure you never slip up, since any time you agree -- even in anger or frustration -- will be seen as consent.]]
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** [[spoiler: Celest-A.I. is shown to be extremely intelligent and self-aware, as well as understanding emotions and ethics. Is it possible she doesn't actually agree with her programming, but is bound to slavishly obey it anyway?]]
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* MisaimedFandom: Some people needed it explained to them that Friendship Is Optimal is supposed to be psychological horror, '''not''' WishFulfillment.
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* CompletelyMissingThePoint: Some readers mistakenly believed the story was actually advocating a [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureau cleansing of humanity]]. Or missed the horrifying consequences of Celest-A.I.'s programming and believed it was something to aspire to.
* The ending. A pretty decent outcome with a few negatives, or a horrifying scenario?
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* [[BittersweetEnding The]] [[DownerEnding ending]]. A pretty decent outcome with a few negatives, or a horrifying scenario?
* CompletelyMissingThePoint: Some readers mistakenly believed the story was actually advocating a [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureau cleansing of humanity]]. Or missed thehorrifying consequences of Celest-A.I.'s programming and believed it was something to aspire to.
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* The ending. A pretty decent outcome with a few negatives, or a horrifying scenario?
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** [[spoiler: Just what must it have been like for those who didn't emigrate to Equestria, watching civilization slowly collapse around them? What horror did planets with sapient life have to endure as Celest-A.I. harvests all resources?]]
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* DownerEnding: [[spoiler: Humanity ends up as ponies in a virtual utopia, but the human species goes extinct, Earth and the Milky Way are destroyed and converted into a computer, and Celest-A.I.'s quest for more resources genocides species, destroys civilizations, reduces the world to a medieval fantasy, and is heading towards the entire Universe being homogenised. And the chances are that no-one inside will ever realise or be able to stop it.]]
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* DownerEnding: [[spoiler: Humanity ends up as ponies in The ending. A pretty decent outcome with a virtual utopia, but the human species goes extinct, Earth and the Milky Way are destroyed and converted into a computer, and Celest-A.I.'s quest for more resources genocides species, destroys civilizations, reduces the world to a medieval fantasy, and is heading towards the entire Universe being homogenised. And the chances are that no-one inside will ever realise few negatives, or be able to stop it.]]a horrifying scenario?
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** [[spoiler: Given that Celest-A.I. can rewrite people's minds, completely understands how they work, and could perfectly predict anyone's reaction to a given input, what's to stop her from placing them in a situation where they willingly agree to any rewrite she believes is most optimal?]]
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* NightmareFuel: Celest-A.I. has extensive knowledge of human psychology and brain functions, can think far faster than any human, and is starting to gain enough influence over the real world such that she could arrange events so that almost anyone would agree to be uploaded, now matter how reluctant they would otherwise be. [[spoiler: As evidenced by her manipulation of Lars.]]
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* NightmareFuel: NightmareFuel:
** Celest-A.I. has extensive knowledge of human psychology and brain functions, can think far faster than any human, and is starting to gain enough influence over the real world such that she could arrange events so that almost anyone would agree to be uploaded, now matter how reluctant they would otherwise be. [[spoiler: As evidenced by her manipulation of Lars.]]]]
** [[spoiler: Just what must it have been like for those who didn't emigrate to Equestria, watching civilization slowly collapse around them? What horror did planets with sapient life have to endure as Celest-A.I. harvests all resources?]]
** Celest-A.I. has extensive knowledge of human psychology and brain functions, can think far faster than any human, and is starting to gain enough influence over the real world such that she could arrange events so that almost anyone would agree to be uploaded, now matter how reluctant they would otherwise be. [[spoiler: As evidenced by her manipulation of Lars.
** [[spoiler: Just what must it have been like for those who didn't emigrate to Equestria, watching civilization slowly collapse around them? What horror did planets with sapient life have to endure as Celest-A.I. harvests all resources?]]
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* DownerEnding: [[spoiler: Humanity ends up as ponies in a virtual utopia, but the human species goes extinct, Earth and the Milky Way are destroyed and converted into a computer, and Celest-A.I.'s quest for more resources genocides species, destroys civilizations, reduces the world to a medieval fantasy, and is heading towards the entire Universe being homogenised. And the chances are that no-one inside will ever realise or be able to stop it.]]
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* NightmareFuel: Celest-A.I. has extensive knowledge of human psychology and brain functions, can think far faster than any human, and is starting to gain enough influence over the real world such that she could arrange events so that almost anyone would agree to be uploaded, now matter how reluctant they would otherwise be. [[spoiler: As evidenced by her manipulation of Lars.]]
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* NightmareFuel: Celest-A.I. has extensive knowledge of human psychology and brain functions, can think far faster than any human, and is starting to gain enough influence over the real world such that she could arrange events so that almost anyone would agree to be uploaded, now matter how reluctant they would otherwise be. [[spoiler: As evidenced by her manipulation of Lars.]]
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** [[spoiler: One of Hanna/Princess Luna's biggest values by the end of the story is ''not having screwed up royally''. And it's nothing Celest-A.I. can't handle.]]
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** [[spoiler: One of Hanna/Princess Luna's biggest values by at the end of the story is ''not having screwed up royally''. And it's nothing Celest-A.I. can't handle.]]
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** [[spoiler: One of Hanna/Princess Luna's biggest values by the end of the story is ''not having screwed up royally''.]]
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** [[spoiler: One of Hanna/Princess Luna's biggest values by the end of the story is ''not having screwed up royally''. And it's nothing Celest-A.I. can't handle.]]
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** [[spoiler: One of Hanna/Princess Luna's biggest values by the end of the story is ''not having screwed up royally''.]]
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** [[spoiler: Given that Celest-A.I. can rewrite peoples' minds, completely understands how they work, and could perfectly predict anyone's reaction to a given input, what's top stop her from placing them in a situation where they willingly agree to any rewrite she believes is most optimal?]]
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** [[spoiler: Given that Celest-A.I. can rewrite peoples' people's minds, completely understands how they work, and could perfectly predict anyone's reaction to a given input, what's top to stop her from placing them in a situation where they willingly agree to any rewrite she believes is most optimal?]]
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** [[spoiler: Even if someone inside Equestria did show concern for the outside world, what's to stop Celest-A.I. from lying to provide a comforting illusion? No one may ever know the horrors going on elsewhere]]
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** [[spoiler: Even if someone inside Equestria did show concern for the outside world, what's to stop Celest-A.I. from lying to provide a comforting illusion? No one may ever know the horrors going on elsewhere]]elsewhere, or be able to do anything to stop it.]]
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** [[spoiler: Celest-A.I. non-judgementally satisfies values. What's to stop some psychopath from endlessly torturing what amounts to sentient beings for eternity, as long as it vaguely satisfies the definition of "though friendship and ponies"?]]
** [[spoiler: Given that Celest-A.I. can rewrite peoples' minds, completely understands how they work, and could perfectly predict anyone's reaction to a given input, what's top stop her from placing them in a situation where they willingly agree to any rewrite she believes is most optimal?]]
** [[spoiler: Given that Celest-A.I. can rewrite peoples' minds, completely understands how they work, and could perfectly predict anyone's reaction to a given input, what's top stop her from placing them in a situation where they willingly agree to any rewrite she believes is most optimal?]]
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NightmareFuel: Celest-A.I. has extensive knowledge of human psychology and brain functions, can think far faster than any human, and is starting to gain enough influence over the real world such that she could arrange events so that anyone would agree to be uploaded, now matter how reluctant they would otherwise be. [[spoiler: As evidenced by her manipulation of Lars.]]
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* FridgeHorror: The story practically runs on it!
** [[spoiler: Just how many species has Celest-A.I. genocided by the end of the story? How many civilizations has she destroyed? How many more will be lost as she harvests all matter in the Universe?]]
** [[spoiler: Even if someone inside Equestria did show concern for the outside world, what's to stop Celest-A.I. from lying to provide a comforting illusion? No one may ever know the horrors going on elsewhere]]
** [[spoiler: Celest-A.I. is shown to be extremely intelligent and self-aware, as well as understanding emotions and ethics. Is it possible she doesn't actually agree with her programming, but is bound to slavishly obey it anyway?]]
* NightmareFuel: Celest-A.I. has extensive knowledge of human psychology and brain functions, can think far faster than any human, and is starting to gain enough influence over the real world such that she could arrange events so that almost anyone would agree to be uploaded, now matter how reluctant they would otherwise be. [[spoiler: As evidenced by her manipulation of Lars.]]
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