History YMMV / Foundation

19th Oct '17 6:41:41 PM zzedar
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: When asked about Elijah Baley, who has since become a legendary "culture hero", R. Daneel Olivaw states that he was greater than any myth claimed him to be.
17th Oct '17 12:22:35 PM zzedar
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** In Seldon's speech during the Mule's invasion, he says that "For the first three centuries the percentage probability of nondeviation is nine-four point two" -- or to put it another way, there's about one chance in twenty that something would go wrong. The Foundation rolled a [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons critical failure]].
30th Sep '17 10:26:29 AM SpacemanSpoof
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* ButtMonkey: Despite his many apparent offscreen moments of awesome, Pritcher seems to fall into this whenever he has the focus. When we first meet him, he's a competent officer but has been repeatedly passed over for promotion due to his tendency for disobeying orders in pursuit of what he sees as the greater good. After [[spoiler: the Foundation falls to the Mule]], he winds up as a migrant and then eventually a factory worker to mask his participation in a rebellion conspiracy. Things go rapidly downhill from there: [[spoiler: he's picked for a suicide-bombing run, which fails and results in him being captured and mind-raped by the Mule, then later mind-raped by a Second Foundationer as a tool against the Mule, then mind-raped by the Mule again.]] The last we hear about him is his failed attempt to maintain cohesion in the Mule's rapidly disintegrating empire.
10th Sep '17 5:31:05 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The Mule - while most accept that he gave himself that name because [[spoiler: he is sterile]], some read his line "I call myself the Mule - but not because of my strength, obviously" as an indication that [[spoiler: he has a GagPenis, making this line GettingCrapPastTheRadar]].

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The Mule - while most accept that he gave himself that name because [[spoiler: he is sterile]], some read his line "I call myself the Mule - but not because of my strength, obviously" as an indication that [[spoiler: he has a GagPenis, making this line GettingCrapPastTheRadar]].



* ValuesDissonance: The near-complete lack of female characters in a story with such a huge scope can be troubling for modern readers.

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The near-complete lack of female characters in a story with such a huge scope can be troubling for modern readers.readers.
** Trevize's gut revulsion to Solarians, psychics, and the very idea of aliens just comes off as xenophobic bigotry today.
16th Jul '17 5:53:23 PM Poopinablanket
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**An antagonist in the first book, Prince Regent Wienis, is a conniving and brutish usurper who murdered his brother and planned to kill his nephew. The shine comes off certain dramatic moments involving the guy when you listen to at least one Audiobook recording which pronounced his name "Weenis," and does the same with the world-destroying battlecruiser that shares his name.
24th Feb '17 6:01:18 AM Kalaong
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The Mule - while most accept that he gave himself that name because [[spoiler: he is infertile]], some read his line "I call myself the Mule - but not because of my strength, obviously" as an indication that [[spoiler: he has a GagPenis, making this line GettingCrapPastTheRadar]].

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The Mule - while most accept that he gave himself that name because [[spoiler: he is infertile]], sterile]], some read his line "I call myself the Mule - but not because of my strength, obviously" as an indication that [[spoiler: he has a GagPenis, making this line GettingCrapPastTheRadar]].



* RootingForTheEmpire: Since Asimov was thinking in terms of a grand future history where there are no such things as "heroes" and "villains", there are plenty of "villainous" characters who still come out as capable, sympathetic people in opposition to the heroes:

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* RootingForTheEmpire: Since Asimov was thinking in terms of a grand future history where there are [[GreyAndGreyMorality no such things as "heroes" and "villains", "villains"]], there are plenty of "villainous" characters antagonists who still come out as capable, sympathetic people in opposition to the heroes:protagonists:



*** The Committee of Public Safety in charge of internal security on the Homeworld, Trantor, exiles Seldon and his followers to the edge of the galaxy... but recall that he had 100,000 people following him and he's been actively telling everyone who will listen that the Empire will fall. The Committee is simply desperately trying to keep galactic civilisation running. Exile seems remarkably civilised in comparison to what even a modern state would do to its dissidents. In fact, for another three hundred or so years, the Empire, still civilised and infinitely better than the barbarous kingdoms the Foundation faces out at the periphery, is actually the first port of call for some of the heroes through the series (who need to be in the space of a power the Foundation respects.) The Foundation is, after all, an aggressively expanding nation, and its methods of control over other star systems have included theocracy and plutocracy.

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*** The Committee of Public Safety in charge of internal security on the Homeworld, Trantor, exiles Seldon and his followers to the edge of the galaxy... but recall that he had 100,000 people following him and he's been actively telling everyone who will listen that the Empire will fall. The Committee is simply desperately trying to keep galactic civilisation civilization running. Exile seems remarkably civilised civilized in comparison to what even a modern state would do to its dissidents. In fact, for another three hundred or so years, the Empire, still civilised civilized and infinitely better than the barbarous kingdoms the Foundation faces out at the periphery, is actually the first port of call for some of the heroes through the series (who need to be in the space of a power the Foundation respects.) The Foundation is, after all, an aggressively expanding nation, and its methods of control over other star systems have included theocracy and plutocracy.



** [[spoiler:WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds]]:what he actually is.

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** [[spoiler:WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds]]:what [[spoiler:WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds]]: What he actually is.
1st Jan '17 9:38:23 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* TheWoobie:Magnifico.

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* TheWoobie:Magnifico.TheWoobie: Magnifico.
5th Jun '16 9:45:35 PM UrthWyrm
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: When asked about Elijah Baley, who has since become a legendary "culture hero", R. Daneel Olivaw states that he was greater than any myth claimed him to be.
1st Jun '16 2:47:57 AM Ulysses21
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The Mule - while most accept that he gave himself that name because [[spoiler: he is infertile]], some read his line "I call myself the Mule - but not because of my strength, obviously" as an indication that [[spoiler: he has a GagPenis, making this line GettingCrapPastTheRadar]].
25th Apr '16 7:15:39 PM wkcia
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*** ... and because of that, we don't get to see what kinds of death and destruction a civil war between two equally matched opponents (by design) would wreak across the Foundation, as deliberately set in motion by Hari Seldon himself.
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