History YMMV / Foundation

5th Jun '16 9:45:35 PM UrthWyrm
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: When asked about Elijah Baley, who has since become a legendary "culture hero", R. Daneel Olivaw states that he was greater than any myth claimed him to be.
1st Jun '16 2:47:57 AM Ulysses21
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The Mule - while most accept that he gave himself that name because [[spoiler: he is infertile]], some read his line "I call myself the Mule - but not because of my strength, obviously" as an indication that [[spoiler: he has a GagPenis, making this line GettingCrapPastTheRadar]].
25th Apr '16 7:15:39 PM wkcia
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*** ... and because of that, we don't get to see what kinds of death and destruction a civil war between two equally matched opponents (by design) would wreak across the Foundation, as deliberately set in motion by Hari Seldon himself.
6th Apr '16 9:08:12 AM zarpaulus
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*** Of course, the Mule killed millions of people and sterilized multiple planets. Not to mention that he waylaid the Foundation's predicted reformation from the civil war that never emerged thanks to the external threat he presented.
6th Sep '15 8:26:12 AM Milarqui
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* FanNickname: "The Killer B's" -- Benford, Bear, and Brin.
14th Mar '15 2:05:51 PM cricri3007
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* ParanoiaFuel: Everything is part of Seldon's plan. EVERYTHING you'll ever do or think of doing is part of His plan. And you that sudden idea ? It's not yours, the Second Foundation manipulated you .
19th Jan '15 7:44:50 PM psionycx
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** The Foundation itself, in the novels ''Foundation's Edge'' and ''Foundation and Earth'', represent the last desperate attempts by normal humans to maintain their free will and liberty. Not everyone wants to be in a [[spoiler:Hive Mind, or in the alternative, ruled by a cabal of elites with psychic powers.]]

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** The Foundation itself, in the novels ''Foundation's Edge'' and ''Foundation and Earth'', represent the last desperate attempts by normal humans to maintain their free will and liberty. Not everyone wants to be in a [[spoiler:Hive Mind, or in the alternative, ruled by a cabal of elites with psychic powers. Although the fact that Mayor Branno wants to play GalacticConqueror and rule the galaxy from Terminus simply means the loss of liberty to a non-psychic imperial regime.]]



** ... [[DownplayedTrope Or not]]. [[spoiler: The 'about to' is still indicated to be something that will take a long time yet, enough time for the Foundation(s) to keep things running in the meantime, and it is implied that the transition from Gaia to Galaxia will take advantage of the infrastructure -- mental and otherwise -- established by the First and Second Foundations]]. It may have been a great less important a story than what seemed to be the case previously, but it wasn't ''irrelevant''.

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** ... [[DownplayedTrope Or not]]. [[spoiler: The 'about to' is still indicated to be something that will take a long time yet, enough time for the Foundation(s) to keep things running in the meantime, and it is implied that the transition from Gaia to Galaxia will take advantage of the infrastructure -- mental and otherwise -- established by the First and Second Foundations]]. It may have been a great deal less important a story than what seemed to be the case previously, but it wasn't ''irrelevant''.
9th Jan '15 8:50:48 PM LordInsane
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** ... [[DownplayedTrope Or not]]. [[spoiler: The 'about to' is still indicated to be something that will take a long time yet, enough time for the Foundation(s) to keep things running in the meantime, and it is implied that the transition from Gaia to Galaxia will take advantage of the infrastructure -- mental and otherwise -- established by the First and Second Foundations]]. It may have been a great less important a story than what seemed to be the case previously, but it wasn't ''irrelevant''.
7th Dec '14 6:23:58 AM wkcia
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* RootingForTheEmpire: Since Asimov was thinking in terms of a grand future history, there are plenty of "villainous" characters who still come out as capable, sympathetic people in opposition to the heroes:
** The original Galactic Empire itself has many admirers:
*** The Committee of Public Safety exiles Seldon and his followers to the edge of the galaxy... but recall that he had 100,000 people in the Imperial Capital and he's been actively telling everyone who will listen that the Empire will fall. They're desperately trying to keep galactic civilisation running. Exile seems remarkably civilised in comparison to what even a modern state would do to its dissidents. In fact, the entire Empire, still civilised and infinitely better than the barbarous kingdoms the Foundation faces, is actually the first port of call for some of the heroes through the series (who need to be in the space of a power the Foundation respects.) It is, after all, an aggressively expanding nation.
*** General Bel Riose wants nothing more than for the Galactic Empire, now in serious decline, to become strong and great again. He is saddled with a traitorous second-in-command and a suspicious Emperor, and up against an enemy that possesses more powerful technology than his own (although his own resources are just sufficient for the task, as he is a military genius.) In a normal space opera, ''he'd'' be the hero.
** The Mule is TheWoobie and has a sympathetic backstory. At this point in its history, the Foundation is a fascist HereditaryRepublic that is crushing the freedom of its independent traders and citizens alike.

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* RootingForTheEmpire: Since Asimov was thinking in terms of a grand future history, history where there are no such things as "heroes" and "villains", there are plenty of "villainous" characters who still come out as capable, sympathetic people in opposition to the heroes:
** The original Galactic Empire itself has many admirers:
is still worthy of admiration:
*** The Committee of Public Safety in charge of internal security on the Homeworld, Trantor, exiles Seldon and his followers to the edge of the galaxy... but recall that he had 100,000 people in the Imperial Capital following him and he's been actively telling everyone who will listen that the Empire will fall. They're The Committee is simply desperately trying to keep galactic civilisation running. Exile seems remarkably civilised in comparison to what even a modern state would do to its dissidents. In fact, for another three hundred or so years, the entire Empire, still civilised and infinitely better than the barbarous kingdoms the Foundation faces, faces out at the periphery, is actually the first port of call for some of the heroes through the series (who need to be in the space of a power the Foundation respects.) It The Foundation is, after all, an aggressively expanding nation.
nation, and its methods of control over other star systems have included theocracy and plutocracy.
*** General Bel Riose wants nothing more than for the Galactic Empire, now in serious decline, decline two hundred years after Seldon's death, to become strong and great again. He is saddled with a traitorous second-in-command and a suspicious Emperor, and up against an enemy that possesses more powerful technology than his own (although his own resources are just sufficient for the task, as he is a military genius.) In a normal space opera, ''he'd'' be the hero.
** The Mule is TheWoobie and has a sympathetic backstory. At this point in its history, the Foundation is a fascist HereditaryRepublic that is crushing the freedom of its independent traders and citizens alike. The Mule's empire, in comparison, is well-run and free (as long as you don't try to topple his government.)
7th Dec '14 2:18:26 AM wkcia
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* RootingForTheEmpire: Since Asimov was thinking in terms of a grand future history, there are plenty of "villainous" characters who still come out as capable, sympathetic people in opposition to the heroes:
** The original Galactic Empire itself has many admirers:
*** The Committee of Public Safety exiles Seldon and his followers to the edge of the galaxy... but recall that he had 100,000 people in the Imperial Capital and he's been actively telling everyone who will listen that the Empire will fall. They're desperately trying to keep galactic civilisation running. Exile seems remarkably civilised in comparison to what even a modern state would do to its dissidents. In fact, the entire Empire, still civilised and infinitely better than the barbarous kingdoms the Foundation faces, is actually the first port of call for some of the heroes through the series (who need to be in the space of a power the Foundation respects.) It is, after all, an aggressively expanding nation.
*** General Bel Riose wants nothing more than for the Galactic Empire, now in serious decline, to become strong and great again. He is saddled with a traitorous second-in-command and a suspicious Emperor, and up against an enemy that possesses more powerful technology than his own (although his own resources are just sufficient for the task, as he is a military genius.) In a normal space opera, ''he'd'' be the hero.
** The Mule is TheWoobie and has a sympathetic backstory. At this point in its history, the Foundation is a fascist HereditaryRepublic that is crushing the freedom of its independent traders and citizens alike.
** The Foundation itself, in the novels ''Foundation's Edge'' and ''Foundation and Earth'', represent the last desperate attempts by normal humans to maintain their free will and liberty. Not everyone wants to be in a [[spoiler:Hive Mind, or in the alternative, ruled by a cabal of elites with psychic powers.]]
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