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* LesYay: Fang and Vanille come very close to crossing the border between subtext and text. [[http://www.viddler.com/explore/GamingParodies/videos/144/ They're not even trying to hide it.]] If you try really, ''really'' hard, you can say they're [[OneeSama "like sisters"]] or simply a RomanticTwoGirlFriendship (despite both of them being well past the age at which such things are common), but the {{Yuri}} angle is clearly intentional - even if, [[MoralGuardians for some reason]], it's never stated outright.
** And a short scene when Fang wants to take a look at Lightning's mark. For which she turns her back to the camera and unzips her jacket, leading to Fang leaning over to take a close look, telling Lightning not to be shy about it.
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* HilariousInHindsight: After the party crash lands in the Vile Peaks, [[spoiler: Sazh asks Vanille (about her ignorance) "What, did you sleep through history or something?" Vanille laughs and answers, "[[HumanPopsicle More or less.]]"]]
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*** Some don't care for Lightning or Snow either.

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*** Some don't care for Lightning or Snow either.
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* FanNickname:
** Sazh has been dubbed both "Chocobro" and "Chocofro" by his adoring legion. And thanks to Gadot's expy mention he is now called (by the fans that hate him) "not-Wakka".
** Snow was nicknamed "Mr. 33cm" as mentioned above due to his rather large... feet.
*** And at 6'5/6'7 (accounts vary), his "feet" are actually small for his size.
** [[spoiler: Galenth Dysley]] has recently been dubbed [[spoiler: Superpope/SUPAHPOPE!, mainly due to his fondness for transforming into a mechanical monstrosity and beating the party to a bloody pulp. His own Menvra is also called Hedwig.]]
** Snow's Gestalt mode has been dubbed "The Motordyke" by a portion of the fandom.
** [[spoiler: Orphan, the final boss of the game, was referred to as Oprah rather frequently during early squabbles over its name.]]
** Aster Protoflorian has been given the name [[{{Pokemon}} Bulbasaur.]]
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* BrokenAesop:
** [[spoiler:Bit hard to take "You can't just wait for miracles" seriously when a huge DeusExMachina occurs one second later.]]
** [[spoiler:It's a bit hard to accept speeches on the importance of free will coming from a cast of [[UnwittingPawn Unwitting Pawns]]. The only instance of genuine free will they have is the giant AssPull from above.]]
** [[spoiler:Even worse was they basically had no choice on it happening either, and it WAS basically a Miracle. Official Squenix explanation for everything? A Goddess did it. A Goddess which was barely even mentioned in the story also. Nice plotting there, Square.]]

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** Forget that, god help the poor soul who [[StopHavingFunGuys doesn't care that the game has flaws and just wants to play it because it's fun.]]
*** And God hep the poor soul who said [[FanHater they actually liked it and thought it was enjoyable]] - say you like this anywhere and you'll be lucky if they don't recreate the impalement scene in ''CannibalHolocaust''.

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** Forget that, god help the poor soul who [[StopHavingFunGuys doesn't care that the game has flaws and just wants to play it because it's fun.]]
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* EvilIsSexy: Jihl Nabaat, to many fans.
** [[spoiler: If Fang turning into her version of Ragnarok is considered evil, then is anyone complaining about it? Not really.]]


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** Aster Protoflorian has been given the name [[{{Pokemon}} Bulbasaur.]]
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* FanPreferredCouple: [[Shotacon Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]], has apparently gotten to be the most popular couple in the game. Or at least the one that's attracting the most FanArt.

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* FanPreferredCouple: [[Shotacon [[{{Shotacon}} Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]], has apparently gotten to be the most popular couple in the game. Or at least the one that's attracting the most FanArt.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Hope/Lightning, or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]], has apparently gotten to be the most popular couple in the game. Or at least the one thats attracting the most FanArt.

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* FanPreferredCouple: Hope/Lightning, [[Shotacon Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]], has apparently gotten to be the most popular couple in the game. Or at least the one thats that's attracting the most FanArt.

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** And Vanille, especially [[AmericansHateTingle in the west.]] Which is a little odd considering she's always cheerful and when she ''does'' angst, she has a ''pretty good reason''.

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** And Vanille, especially [[AmericansHateTingle in the west.west due to her annoying accent.]] Which is a little odd considering she's always cheerful and when she ''does'' angst, she has a ''pretty good reason''.
*** Some don't care for Lightning or Snow either.
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* AngstDissonance: Hope is 14, went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine and is he hated for the resulting FreakOut.
* BaseBreaker: Dahj's either the most [[TheWoobie huggable]] [[CheerfulChild widdle thing]] you've ever seen or [[UncannyValley you will see him]] [[NightmareFuel in your nightmares]].



* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: Galenth]] wants to kill everyone, and [[spoiler: Orphan is a nihilist who wants to bring peace by killing everyone. He also turns most of the party into zombies, and then repeatedly injures and cures Fang in order to try to force her to finish summoning Ragnarok.]]

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[[spoiler: Galenth]] wants to kill everyone, and [[spoiler: Orphan is a nihilist who wants to bring peace by killing everyone. He also turns most of the party into zombies, and then repeatedly injures and cures Fang in order to try to force her to finish summoning Ragnarok.]]]]
** Jihl is also seen this way by a portion of the fanbase.



** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW1bymEPTNI Snow's theme]]. When it starts up, you know something BadAss is going to happen.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Sazh.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Sazh.Sazh tends to be the only character who's even praised by the game's detractors, thanks to a few genuinely touching (though, [[YourMileageMayVary according to some]], [[MoodWhiplash quickly spoiled]]) scenes, and his tendency to keep histrionics to a minimum.



* FanNickname: Sazh has been dubbed both "Chocobro" and "Chocofro" by his adoring legion. And thanks to Gadot's expy mention he is now called (by the fans that hate him) "not-Wakka".

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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Lightning's been paired with Snow, Hope, and Fang on a regular basis; she and [[FinalFantasyVersusXIII Noctis]] are a very popular CrossoverShip; it isn't uncommon to pair her up with Cid Raines, [=LeBreau=], Vanille, her own sister, or Sazh; and her similarity to [[FinalFantasyVII Cloud Strife]] means she's been paired with him, Tifa, and Aerith. Probably comes from being very attractive and without a canon LoveInterest.


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* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Lightning plans on pulling this for a couple of chapters. She snaps out of it, though.
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* FoeYayShipping: Careful not to let yourself forget that Hope hates Snow; if you do, several scenes and lines suddenly look a little [[HoYay suspect]].
--> Vanille: Couldn't tell him? Nothing'll change if you don't do anything.
--> Hope: Words won't change anything. [[CanNotSpitItOut Next time we meet, he'll learn exactly how I feel.]]
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Poison helps, but the boss is still a nightmare. He\'s still capable of causing instant game over at any point in the battle.


*** Even though you can pwn the boss with poison.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: For all of this games many flaws, the one thing just about everyone agrees on is that it has a stellar soundtrack.
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** Part of this may be explained because originally, Fang was written as a male character but was gender-swapped so they could have a traditional three-female party.

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** Lightning's upcoming appearance in ''[[DissidiaFinalFantasy Dissidia 012: [Duodecim] Final Fantasy]]''.
** At seeing another black character. (Amazing how many people assumed he was the first despite [[FinalFantasyVII Barret]] being around for years prior. ([[FinalFantasyVI General Leo]] was around before Barret even; although it's not like anyone could really tell without looking at the Wiki.)



** Lightning's upcoming appearance in ''[[DissidiaFinalFantasy Dissidia 012: [Duodecim] Final Fantasy]]''.
** At seeing another black character. (Amazing how many people assumed he was the first despite [[FinalFantasyVII Barret]] being around for years prior. ([[FinalFantasyVI General Leo]] was around before Barret even; although it's not like anyone could really tell without looking at the Wiki.)
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** Lightning's upcoming appearance in ''[[DissidiaFinalFantasy Dissidia 012: [Duodecim] Final Fantasy]]''.
** At seeing another black character. (Amazing how many people assumed he was the first despite [[FinalFantasyVII Barret]] being around for years prior. ([[FinalFantasyVI General Leo]] was around before Barret even; although it's not like anyone could really tell without looking at the Wiki.)
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** [[spoiler:Even worse was they basically had no choice on it happening either, and it WAS basically a Miracle. Official Squenix explanation for everything? A Goddess did it. A Goddess which was barely even mentioned in the story also. Nice plotting there, Square.]]
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** [[spoiler:Bit hard to take "You can't just wait for miracles" seriously when a huge Deus Ex Machina occurs one second later.]]

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** [[spoiler:Bit hard to take "You can't just wait for miracles" seriously when a huge Deus Ex Machina DeusExMachina occurs one second later.]]



* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: The ending. [[spoiler:There are at least eleven DeusExMachinas in the last half hour of gameplay.]] These include [[spoiler:[[AssPull Lightning, Snow, Hope, Sazh, Dajh and Serah's "will-powered" transformation from crystal stasis back to human form, the four unexplained brand removals, and Ragnarok's power being used to save Cocoon, when the game has been insisting for the last forty-something hours that Ragnarok's only use was to destroy it.]]]]

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* OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow: The ending. [[spoiler:There are at least eleven DeusExMachinas [[DeusExMachina Deus Ex Machinas]] in the last half hour of gameplay.]] These include [[spoiler:[[AssPull Lightning, Snow, Hope, Sazh, Dajh and Serah's "will-powered" transformation from crystal stasis back to human form, the four unexplained brand removals, and Ragnarok's power being used to save Cocoon, when the game has been insisting for the last forty-something hours that Ragnarok's only use was to destroy it.]]]]



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** A solution is to start off by debuffing the enemy with a SAB and then switch to all RAV. The extra damage will raise the chain gauge fast enough that you can stagger the enemy without a COM. Also, when SABs [=SABs=] deal damage, they hold the stagger gauge steady like COMs [=COMs=] do.
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* EightPointEight: Shortly after release, many people complained (repeatedly and at great length) that they would ''not'' be purchasing this game because it didn't receive straight tens across the board, is therefore the worst game in the series and will surely be the last. This was '''after''' FinalFantasyXIV was announced, too.
** There was also the HateDom and HateDumb complaining that it wasn't scored ''low enough''. But it's the inevitable HateDumb that exists merely beacuse it's square-Enix and not much else.


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* FanNickname: Sazh has been dubbed both "Chocobro" and "Chocofro" by his adoring legion. And thanks to Gadot's expy mention he is now called (by the fans that hate him) "not-Wakka".
** Snow was nicknamed "Mr. 33cm" as mentioned above due to his rather large... feet.
*** And at 6'5/6'7 (accounts vary), his "feet" are actually small for his size.
** [[spoiler: Galenth Dysley]] has recently been dubbed [[spoiler: Superpope/SUPAHPOPE!, mainly due to his fondness for transforming into a mechanical monstrosity and beating the party to a bloody pulp. His own Menvra is also called Hedwig.]]
** Snow's Gestalt mode has been dubbed "The Motordyke" by a portion of the fandom.
** [[spoiler: Orphan, the final boss of the game, was referred to as Oprah rather frequently during early squabbles over its name.]]


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* JerkassWoobie: Lightning. Yes, she abuses Snow at the drop of a hat and thinks Hope is a nuisance [[spoiler: at first]]. But she willingly gave up a normal life so Serah could have one, and ''then'' [[spoiler: volunteered to be Purged, throwing away a successful military career]] in an attempt to save Serah from the burden of being a L'Cie. It is also implied that Lightning [[spoiler: projects her own feelings of loneliness onto Serah]] to avoid looking weak; ''she's'' the one left behind when Serah gets engaged, yet [[spoiler: Lightning blames ''herself'' for not spending enough time with her]]?


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* MagnificentBastard: [[spoiler: Galenth Dysley, who manipulates both the protagonists and the very military under his control towards his ultimate goal of [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans destroying Cocoon]]. It doesn't help matters that he's one of the godlike fal'Cie.]]


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* MemeticMutation: '''[[FanDumb TOOOOOOOOWWWWWNNNNZZZZZZ!!!]]'''
** Nora Estheim's "Moms are tough" line from the english release seems to be going down this path, as well.
** [=STEELGUARD=]!!!!
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* TheWoobie: [[DeadpanSnarker Worst birthday ever, eh, Lightning?]]
** Worst [[spoiler: five centuries]] ever, huh, Vanille?
** Worst vacation ever, eh, Hope?
** [[RunningGag Worst]] trip to an amusement park ever, eh, Sazh?
** [[OverlyLongGag Worst]] [[spoiler:overthrowing of fal'Cie rule]] ever, eh, Fang?
** [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment Worst]] [[spoiler: reunion with your girlfriend]] ever, eh, Snow?

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** Part of this may be explained because originally, Fang was written as a male character but was gender-swapped so they could have a traditional three-female party.



** And Vanille, especially [[AmericansHateTingle in the west.]]

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** And Vanille, especially [[AmericansHateTingle in the west.]]]] Which is a little odd considering she's always cheerful and when she ''does'' angst, she has a ''pretty good reason''.



*** Even though you can pwn the boss with poison.



* XenSyndrome: Completely Inverted as the consensus is that the game is much much better when you get to chapter 11 (it's all linear up to that point).

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* XenSyndrome: Completely Inverted as the consensus is that the game is much much better when you get to chapter 11 (it's all linear up to that point). This was actually intended as the developers stated that Cocoon was more story-driven whereas Pulse was more exploration driven. (A lot of the people mostly complained about not getting to see more of Cocoon...and really, [[SceneryPorn wouldn't YOU?]])
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* CrossoverShip: [[FinalFantasyVersusXIII Noctis]]/Lightning is surprisingly popular, and has been even before the release of either game, if FF.net is any indicator.


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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: During the fireworks scene in Bodhum, Snow says to Serah, "Our engagement is way bigger news." [[spoiler: When they do tell Lightning about Serah becoming a l'Cie and their engagement the next day, Lightning doesn't believe in them largely because of the engagement, thinking it's made up as an excuse so they can get married.]]


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* HilariousInHindsight: After the party crash lands in the Vile Peaks, [[spoiler: Sazh asks Vanille (about her ignorance) "What, did you sleep through history or something?" Vanille laughs and answers, "[[HumanPopsicle More or less.]]"]]
* InternetBackdraft: God help the poor soul who likes either "Kimi ga iru kara" or "My Hands". These songs opened a new wave of English vs Japanese.
** This game was originally supposed to be a PS3 exclusive. Since FinalFantasy is a system seller, many people shelled out $600 for a PS3 for this game alone. Then it was announced at E3 that FFXIII was coming to the Xbox 360. A lot of people were pissed, especially Sony's hardcore fans who viewed this [[FanDumb as a scathing betrayal instead of good business sense.]] And yet they all forget how Squaresoft left Nintendo more or less for a few good years without a Final Fantasy game back in the day, and how many people shelled out $300 for an N64 assuming that ''FinalFantasyVII'' would naturally stay with Nintendo. From this point forward, every screenshot was scrutinized, with any and all differences being claimed to be further proof that features and visual fidelity were being ruined to make the 360 version by some fans. No Japanese track? Well of course some fans thought it was because of the 360 version (and not other issues like Square never putting out a dual language FF in the first place and never showing an interest in changing). Having enough content to make another game? Well, obviously half the game was cut to fit the 360 version onto less than 4 discs! Initial HD mockups looking slightly less detailed in the final version? Obviously, these would have been the final mockups if only the 360 version hadn't forced them to ruin the PS3 version. And so on and so forth.
*** All of the above was actually [[WordOfGod addressed]] [[http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/02/12/final-fantasy-xiii-your-questions-answered/ here]]
** Forget that, god help the poor soul who [[StopHavingFunGuys doesn't care that the game has flaws and just wants to play it because it's fun.]]
*** And God hep the poor soul who said [[FanHater they actually liked it and thought it was enjoyable]] - say you like this anywhere and you'll be lucky if they don't recreate the impalement scene in ''CannibalHolocaust''.


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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: [[spoiler: Sazh apparently committing suicide, horrifyingly dramatic though it may be, is pretty obviously not going to stick since it comes directly after he obtains his eidolon.]]
* MemeticBadass: Sazh's Chicobo. Just check WMG if you don't believe it.
* Fang is the Sexy-Female-Dragoon-Aussie version of Chuck Norris, AKA: Chick Norris


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* {{Woolseyism}}: NORA is originally a pun of the Japanese term for a stray cat. In the English version, it got turned into [[FunWithAcronyms No Obligations, Rules, or Authority]].
** Which is ironic, since the NORA team has self-imposed obligations and rules.
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* HateDumb: Before this game was even released in ''Japan'', this game had a hatedom. Naturally of course, they hadn't even played it.

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* HateDumb: It's also natural for a FinalFantasy. Before this game was even released in ''Japan'', this game had a hatedom. Naturally of course, they hadn't even played it.
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** And Vanille, especially [[AmericansHateTingle in the west.]]
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* FanDumb: As should be expected from FinalFantasy, but FFXIII is quite possibly the worst offender, especially regarding the XBox360 version. The moment that version was announced, a portion of the fanbase declared that FFXIII was Final Fantasy InNameOnly. Because of this, they declared FinalFantasyVersusXIII the "true" Final Fantasy XIII on the grounds of it being Playstation3 exclusive. They also blamed the 360 version when the critical reaction to the game was less than enthusiastic, even though the game had been finished and ready for PS3 release before the 360 version was even started. Some even claim that the game had worse graphics than the announcement trailer because of the 360 version, even though Square has had a history of making announcement trailers look better than the final product and the fact that its still one of the best looking game ever released, even on the 360. At the same time, many of these fans still believe that the 360 version somehow ruined the whole game.
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* BrokenAesop:
** [[spoiler:Bit hard to take "You can't just wait for miracles" seriously when a huge Deus Ex Machina occurs one second later.]]
** [[spoiler:It's a bit hard to accept speeches on the importance of free will coming from a cast of [[UnwittingPawn Unwitting Pawns]]. The only instance of genuine free will they have is the giant AssPull from above.]]
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* TheScrappy: Some fans hate Hope due to his constant Wangsting. However, YMMV, since some people forgive him due to his FreudianExcuse.
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* EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory: Let's see, we'll start with the fal'Cie Anima (conveniently cross shaped) [[NaughtyTentacles l'Cieifying]] everyone, then blowing up the Hanged Edge, and freezing Lake Bilge. Oh, and it's made of hundreds of church bells that ring while an opera sings a melancoly tune. And that's just the prologue.

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