History YMMV / FinalFantasyXIII

23rd May '16 9:10:46 PM DrakeClawfang
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** Hope is 14, went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine that includes seeing his mom fall to her death. Yet fans hate him for his FreakOut and angsting.

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** Hope is 14, and went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine that includes seeing his mom fall to her death.death and finding out he's basically a dead man walking. Yet fans hate him for his FreakOut and angsting.
23rd May '16 9:07:16 PM DrakeClawfang
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* AngstDissonance: Hope is 14, went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine and he is hated for the resulting FreakOut.

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* AngstDissonance: AngstDissonance:
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Hope is 14, went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine that includes seeing his mom fall to her death. Yet fans hate him for his FreakOut and he angsting.
** Lightning
is hated going through the crappiest two weeks of her life and is dealing with a few metric tons of grief and guilt. A faction of fans point to her {{Jerkass}} qualities to criticize her for the resulting FreakOut.her behavior in spite of her later CharacterDevelopment.
13th May '16 9:43:06 PM mlsmithca
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The player party are {{Villain Protagonist}}s. While it's true that they were turned into l'Cie against their will and don't want to destroy Cocoon even if it is their Focus, the cast does little to prove their good intentions. To the contrary, they often make the problem ''worse'', such as Snow firing a gun into the air in a public place and declaring "I'm going to kill you all!" ItMakesSenseInContext (he wants the civilians to run from him so the area is cleared and no one will get hurt in crossfire), but it does not help his case when he shortly after tries to reason with PSICOM and claims he wants to protect Cocoon and means no harm. There's also the hordes of PSICOM officers the party massacres without care in random encounters to consider. Further, [[spoiler:the party ''does'' almost destroy Cocoon by killing Orphan, and it only gets saved when Fang and Vanille pull a DeusExMachina to become Ragnarok and stop Cocoon's fall. The party had no plan at any point to actually save Cocoon, and thanks to Barthandelus' manipulations almost destroy it and got everyone living in it killed. It's up for player opinion if this is Barthandelus being an ''excellent'' MagnificentBastard, or the party being incompetent and selfish.]]
* AngstDissonance: Hope is 14, went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine and he is hated for the resulting FreakOut.



* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The one thing just about everyone agrees on with this game is that it, like the rest of the series, has an [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy absolutely stellar soundtrack]]. Averted, however, by the lack of the traditional ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' victory fanfare, which is replaced by a very understated tune.



* BaseBreaker: Setting aside how the game itself is sort of LoveItOrHateIt, the main characters are all rather divisive:
** Dahj's either the most [[TheWoobie huggable]] [[CheerfulChild widdle thing]] you've ever seen or [[UncannyValley you will see him]] [[NightmareFuel in your nightmares]].
** Some fans hate Hope due to his constant Wangsting and some people forgive him due to his FreudianExcuse.
** And Vanille, especially [[AmericansHateTingle in the west.]]
** In the eyes of the fans, Snow is either a [[IdiotHero moronic]] [[WideEyedIdealist naive]] HeroicWannabe, or the only [[AllLovingHero truly good]] person in the game and [[RatedMForManly incredibly]] {{Badass}} to boot.
** Some fans see Lightning as a stoic, beautiful badass with a well-developed character, while others see her as a cold-hearted bitch who is never called out on her behavior and only gets a pass from the fans for it because she's attractive.



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The one thing just about everyone agrees on with this game is that it, like the rest of the series, has an [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy absolutely stellar soundtrack]].


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* {{Wangst}}: Many players claim Hope is guilty of this. Other people feel that Hope's reaction is perfectly justified as a character but are just annoyed at the writers for going down that predictable path, making it an out-of-universe PetPeeveTrope. In addition, while it is completely justified, the overtly dragging pacing (there are tons of moments he could've spoke up yet choked) of the arc was something many players were getting sick of enduring in a video game, rather than a movie.
13th May '16 7:00:52 PM MissesJinx
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The player party are {{Villain Protagonist}}s. While it's true that they were turned into l'Cie against their will and don't want to destroy Cocoon even if it is their Focus, the cast does little to prove their good intentions. To the contrary, they often make the problem ''worse'', such as Snow firing a gun into the air in a public place and declaring "I'm going to kill you all!" ItMakesSenseInContext (he wants the civilians to run from him so the area is cleared and no one will get hurt in crossfire), but it does not help his case when he shortly after tries to reason with PSICOM and claims he wants to protect Cocoon and means no harm. There's also the hordes of PSICOM officers the party massacres without care in random encounters to consider. Further, [[spoiler:the party ''does'' almost destroy Cocoon by killing Orphan, and it only gets saved when Fang and Vanille pull a DeusExMachina to become Ragnarok and stop Cocoon's fall. The party had no plan at any point to actually save Cocoon, and thanks to Barthandelus' manipulations almost destroy it and got everyone living in it killed. It's up for player opinion if this is Barthandelus being an ''excellent'' MagnificentBastard, or the party being incompetent and selfish.]]
* AngstDissonance: Hope is 14, went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine and he is hated for the resulting FreakOut.



* BaseBreaker: Setting aside how the game itself is sort of LoveItOrHateIt, the main characters are all rather divisive:
** Dahj's either the most [[TheWoobie huggable]] [[CheerfulChild widdle thing]] you've ever seen or [[UncannyValley you will see him]] [[NightmareFuel in your nightmares]].
** Some fans hate Hope due to his constant Wangsting and some people forgive him due to his FreudianExcuse.
** And Vanille, especially [[AmericansHateTingle in the west.]]
** In the eyes of the fans, Snow is either a [[IdiotHero moronic]] [[WideEyedIdealist naive]] HeroicWannabe, or the only [[AllLovingHero truly good]] person in the game and [[RatedMForManly incredibly]] {{Badass}} to boot.
** Some fans see Lightning as a stoic, beautiful badass with a well-developed character, while others see her as a cold-hearted bitch who is never called out on her behavior and only gets a pass from the fans for it because she's attractive.



** Averted, however, by the lack of the traditional ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' victory fanfare, which is replaced by a very understated tune.



** The jump to multi-platform made a few people a bit upset. This game in general is [[BaseBreaker divisive.]]



* {{Wangst}}: Many players claim Hope is guilty of this. Other people feel that Hope's reaction is perfectly justified as a character but are just annoyed at the writers for going down that predictable path, making it an out-of-universe PetPeeveTrope. In addition, while it is completely justified, the overtly dragging pacing (there are tons of moments he could've spoke up yet choked) of the arc was something many players were getting sick of enduring in a video game, rather than a movie.
14th Apr '16 9:11:19 AM system
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14th Apr '16 8:54:16 AM HailATaxiDriver
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* AngstDissonance: Hope is 14, went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine and he is hated for the resulting FreakOut.
14th Apr '16 8:53:59 AM HailATaxiDriver
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The player party are {{Villain Protagonist}}s. While it's true that they were turned into l'Cie against their will and don't want to destroy Cocoon even if it is their Focus, the cast does little to prove their good intentions. To the contrary, they often make the problem ''worse'', such as Snow firing a gun into the air in a public place and declaring "I'm going to kill you all!" ItMakesSenseInContext (he wants the civilians to run from him so the area is cleared and no one will get hurt in crossfire), but it does not help his case when he shortly after tries to reason with PSICOM and claims he wants to protect Cocoon and means no harm. There's also the hordes of PSICOM officers the party massacres without care in random encounters to consider. Further, [[spoiler:the party ''does'' almost destroy Cocoon by killing Orphan, and it only gets saved when Fang and Vanille pull a DeusExMachina to become Ragnarok and stop Cocoon's fall. The party had no plan at any point to actually save Cocoon, and thanks to Barthandelus' manipulations almost destroy it and got everyone living in it killed. It's up for player opinion if this is Barthandelus being an ''excellent'' MagnificentBastard, or the party being incompetent and selfish.]]



* BadExportForYou: The PC version will only have the Japanese voice acting in Asia. This compared to the other regions who will be getting it in both English '''and''' Japanese. It feels like Square is either too cheap to pay the English [=VAs=] just a little more to have the English voice acting tracks, or are trying to sabotage the game's release on Steam for whatever reason. This is especially aggravating since most people in Asia don't speak Japanese[[note]]And is especially bad in places with negative sentiments towards the Japanese ie South Korea[[/note]]. Sure, it has English subtitles[[note]]Which is broken since it only shows subtitles in the cutscenes and nowhere else. And oh, menu items are Japanese too[[/note]] and is about US$2 cheaper than the other regions' versions, but is still a scathing burn nontheless.
* BaseBreaker: Setting aside how the game itself is sort of LoveItOrHateIt, the main characters are all rather divisive:
** Dahj's either the most [[TheWoobie huggable]] [[CheerfulChild widdle thing]] you've ever seen or [[UncannyValley you will see him]] [[NightmareFuel in your nightmares]].
** Some fans hate Hope due to his constant Wangsting and some people forgive him due to his FreudianExcuse.
** And Vanille, especially [[AmericansHateTingle in the west.]]
** In the eyes of the fans, Snow is either a [[IdiotHero moronic]] [[WideEyedIdealist naive]] HeroicWannabe, or the only [[AllLovingHero truly good]] person in the game and [[RatedMForManly incredibly]] {{Badass}} to boot.
** Some fans see Lightning as a stoic, beautiful badass with a well-developed character, while others see her as a cold-hearted bitch who is never called out on her behavior and only gets a pass from the fans for it because she's attractive.



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The one thing just about everyone agrees on with this game is that it, like the rest of the series, has an [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy absolutely stellar soundtrack]].
** Averted, however, by the lack of the traditional ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' victory fanfare, which is replaced by a very understated tune.

to:

* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The one thing just about everyone agrees on with this game is that it, like Like the rest of the series, has an [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy absolutely stellar soundtrack]].
** Averted, however, by the lack of the traditional ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' victory fanfare, which is replaced by a very understated tune.
soundtrack]].



** The jump to multi-platform made a few people a bit upset. This game in general is [[BaseBreaker divisive.]]

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** The jump to multi-platform made a few people a bit upset. This game in general is [[BaseBreaker divisive.]] rather unreasonably upset.



** '''TOOOOOOOOWWWWWNNNNZZZZZZ!!!'''



** Vanille's voice for many, particularly in the English dub.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After finally confronting Snow (as well as getting one of the most badass summons), Hope TookALevelInBadass.



** Except, with death being a slap on the wrist and the start+select combination easily available when the mission turns sour, the combat isn't really asking the player to think on their feet or fight strategically, but rather find the answer to the puzzle, which makes XIII feel more like a puzzle game than an RPG.



** The Menhirrim and Dahaka in Taejin's Tower. Clearly, there should be ''some'' kind of backstory about living statues that have been subjugated by a lone fal'Cie in an immense fallen tower, particularly when the Menhirrim actively fight Dahaka, ''survive'', and then [[ButNowIMustGo depart to fight evil elsewhere]]. They're never seen again, in this game or the sequel, and the most the Datalog can muster for Taejin's Tower is "idk, maybe Tower of Babel".
* {{Wangst}}: Many players claim Hope is guilty of this. Other people feel that Hope's reaction is perfectly justified as a character but are just annoyed at the writers for going down that predictable path, making it an out-of-universe PetPeeveTrope. In addition, while it is completely justified, the overtly dragging pacing (there are tons of moments he could've spoke up yet choked) of the arc was something many players were getting sick of enduring in a video game, rather than a movie.
1st Apr '16 10:32:45 PM GrammarNavi
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** [[spoiler:Many had hoped to see Jihl Nabaat as the main villain or at least an active one and was very disappointed to see her killed off after a total of ten minutes of screentime.]] So, not surprisingly, those same fans rejoiced in the sequel [[spoiler:where, in one of the DLCs, you finally get the opportunity to give Jihl the sound thrashing that's been overdue for years.]]

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** [[spoiler:Many had hoped to see Jihl Nabaat as the main villain or at least an active one and was very disappointed to see her killed off after a total of ten minutes of screentime.]] So, not surprisingly, those same fans rejoiced in the sequel [[spoiler:where, in one of the DLCs, [=DLCs=], you finally get the opportunity to give Jihl the sound thrashing that's been overdue for years.]]
17th Mar '16 9:34:46 PM SneaselSawashiro
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** Vanille's voice for many, particularly in the english dub.

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** Vanille's voice for many, particularly in the english English dub.
17th Mar '16 9:34:36 PM SneaselSawashiro
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** A series of [[http://textsfromffxiii.tumblr.com/ Tumblr macros]] about the cast has produced "Vodka Lightning". The series has [[MemeAcknowledgment been noticed by]] Ali Hillis and Liam O'brien, who find them all hilarious, and [[http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdwe8v7kGv1r8uo3io1_500.png even Ali agrees]] with the captions on how sexy Liam's voice is.

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** A series of [[http://textsfromffxiii.tumblr.com/ Tumblr macros]] about the cast has produced "Vodka Lightning". The series has [[MemeAcknowledgment been noticed by]] Ali Hillis and Liam O'brien, O'Brien, who find them all hilarious, and [[http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdwe8v7kGv1r8uo3io1_500.png even Ali agrees]] with the captions on how sexy Liam's voice is.
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