History YMMV / FinalFantasyXIII

13th Nov '17 9:01:29 PM DrakeClawfang
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** Yet, with death being a slap on the wrist and the restart being a start+select button press, you don't really need to think too hard; but rather just find the answer to the question, making ''XIII'' feel more like a puzzle game.
2nd Oct '17 8:45:24 PM Adept
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* CrossoverShip: Even before the release of either games, Lightning has been frequently shipped with Noctis from ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV'' (then known as ''Final Fantasy Versus XIII'').
12th Sep '17 7:16:58 AM rixion
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* GameBreaker:
** The full ATB skills can be outright devastating if used properly. Lightning's Army of One seems to stand out among them due to how many things you can do to capitalize on its effectiveness. Snow and Fang's attacks can take out oretoise legs with ease, and Vanille's Death is...well, Death, but unlike previous entries, Death also deals a lot of damage if it doesn't work.
** While most buffs manage to be fairly useful, Haste stands out as being incomparably so, and will become a staple of every major battle you get in. Even better, [[ArtificialBrilliance the AI knows this]], and AI Synergists will prioritize using Haste before all other buffs.

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* GameBreaker:
** The full ATB skills can be outright devastating if used properly. Lightning's Army of One seems to stand out among them due to how many things you can do to capitalize on its effectiveness. Snow and Fang's attacks can take out oretoise legs with ease, and Vanille's Death is...well, Death, but unlike previous entries, Death also deals a lot of damage if it doesn't work.
** While most buffs manage to be fairly useful, Haste stands out as being incomparably so, and will become a staple of every major battle you get in. Even better, [[ArtificialBrilliance the AI knows this]], and AI Synergists will prioritize using Haste before all other buffs.
GameBreaker: [[GameBreaker/FinalFantasy Here]].
27th Aug '17 6:08:24 AM EnigmaLobo
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** You either think Snow is a lovable doofus with a sympathetic angle in his attempts to be the hero of the story, or he's an annoying idiot who needs to shut up about trying to be the hero of the story,

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** You either think Snow is a lovable doofus with a sympathetic angle in his attempts to be the hero of the story, story to help the needy, or he's an annoying idiot who needs to shut up about trying to be the hero of the story,play hero, a self-proclaimed role that he's not even good at due to causing more problems than needed by not thinking with his brain enough.



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: If the player visits Aggra's Pasture and examines one of the big sheep, you get a cutscene. Vanille walks up to it, asks repeatedly if it's mad, shoves her hand in its coat, and then bodily ''yanks'' off a chunk of wool while the others stand around, asking what the hell she's doing--then the screen goes black and gives you a message "You obtained [type of] Wool!" like you've just found a key plot artifact. But there's no sidequest--all this is just to tell you that you can get a new kind of compounding item.

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** The main villain [[spoiler: Barthandelus]] is also contentious with the fandom. One group sees them as an entertaining and threatening adversary who offers a great challenge for every fight the party engages with. Another group is more vexed with how their introduction has [[spoiler: him abruptly killing off [[EnsembleDarkhorse Jihl Nabaat]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad and then immediately taking her place as the main villain]]]].
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: If the player visits Aggra's Pasture and examines one of the big sheep, you get a cutscene. Vanille walks up to it, asks repeatedly if it's mad, shoves her hand in its coat, and then bodily ''yanks'' yanks off a chunk of wool while the others stand around, asking what the hell she's doing--then doing—then the screen goes black and gives you a message "You obtained [type of] Wool!" like you've just found a key plot artifact. But there's no sidequest--all sidequest—all this is just to tell you that you can get a new kind of compounding item.



** Jihl Nabaat. In addition to being EvilIsSexy, her smooth villainy and her twisted role in Sazh's backstory left quite the impression. There are ''still'' people upset that Jihl didn't have a bigger role, especially since early trailers played her up as a major antagonist. [[spoiler:Demands that she should have been faced in battle were also heard, and met with ''XIII-2'' at least]].

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** Jihl Nabaat. In addition to being EvilIsSexy, her smooth villainy and her twisted role in Sazh's backstory left quite the impression.impression, far more so than [[spoiler: the real villain, Barthandelus (masquerading as Galenth Dysley)]]. There are ''still'' people upset that Jihl didn't have a bigger role, especially since early trailers played her up as a major antagonist. [[spoiler:Demands that she should have been faced in battle were also heard, and met with ''XIII-2'' at least]].



** [[spoiler:Many had hoped to see Jihl Nabaat as the main villain or at least an active one and was very disappointed to see her killed off after a total of ten minutes of screentime.]] So, not surprisingly, those same fans rejoiced in the sequel [[spoiler:where, in one of the [=DLCs=], you finally get the opportunity to give Jihl the sound thrashing that's been overdue for years.]]

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** [[spoiler:Many Many had hoped to see [[spoiler: Jihl Nabaat Nabaat]] as the main villain or at least an active one and was were very disappointed to see her them killed off after a total of ten minutes of screentime.]] screentime. So, not surprisingly, those same fans rejoiced in the sequel [[spoiler:where, where, in one of the [=DLCs=], you finally get the opportunity to give Jihl [[spoiler: Jihl]] the sound thrashing that's been overdue for years.]]
16th Aug '17 8:56:33 AM SeptimusHeap
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** [[{{Shotacon}} Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]], has apparently gotten to be the most popular couple in the game. Or at least the one that's attracting the most FanArt.

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** [[{{Shotacon}} [[NoYay Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]], has apparently gotten to be the most popular couple in the game. Or at least the one that's attracting the most FanArt.
5th Aug '17 2:31:24 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ItGetsBetter: The Paradigm battle system requires you to pick three of the characters as your active party, set up combinations of their skills (the Paradigms), and then switch back and forth between Paradigms during battle. This rewards planning during the set-up, and quick reactions during battle. You don't gain access to the full system until the end of ''Chapter Ten''. Before then the game keeps on splitting the party into pairs for story reasons, which means you don't get access to their full range of skills, and when they finally start coming together, the game picks the active party for you. FF XIII is sometimes accused of having a twenty hour tutorial: this is why. Luckily there is still a lot of gameplay after Chapter Ten.



* SlowPacedBeginning: The Paradigm battle system requires you to pick three of the characters as your active party, set up combinations of their skills (the Paradigms), and then switch back and forth between Paradigms during battle. This rewards planning during the set-up, and quick reactions during battle. You don't gain access to the full system until the end of ''Chapter Ten''. Before then the game keeps on splitting the party into pairs for story reasons, which means you don't get access to their full range of skills, and when they finally start coming together, the game picks the active party for you. FF XIII is sometimes accused of having a twenty hour tutorial: this is why. Luckily there is still a lot of gameplay after Chapter Ten.



* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Oddly enough, the fal'Cie. Their actions are detestable, but as is pointed out, they only have one role in life and all their powers, all their being is devoted towards that role, forever and ever and ever. If ScrewDestiny is the crux of the game's plot, with the player party trying to defy their focus, shouldn't the same hold true for the fal'Cie? Well, it would be a lot easier to feel sorry for them if they weren't specifically planning to sacrifice the citizens of Cocoon (not to mention the inhabitants of Pulse) in a plan to force Pulse and Lindzei to return. Even [[spoiler:Barthandelus]] has some shades of this, since his final words are expressing relief at his own death. [[spoiler:Orphan, however, is downright '''pitiable'''. Even accounting for his cruel attempts to coax Fang into becoming Ragnarok and turning the others into Cie'th, the kid has had a pretty rough time - from inception, Orphan was sealed away from Cocoon, the humans he was intended to serve and his fellow fal'Cie in an alternate dimension; from there he was trapped in a permanent state of unbirth, [[AndIMustScream self-aware but unable to act]], being used as a living battery to keep Cocoon aloft for for hundreds of years. Little wonder he wants to die after so long in that state. Lightning lambasts him for giving up on life before he was born, but can she really blame him?]]
6th Jul '17 9:50:48 PM DrakeClawfang
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* LostInMediasRes: A common criticism of the game's opening. ''A lot'' of the game's plot actually took place in the week before the game actually begins, and is told in flashbacks from multiple points of view and in an AnachronisticOrder. It can be difficult to follow along when major character motivations and backstories are provided in this format.

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* LostInMediasRes: A common criticism of the game's opening. ''A lot'' of the game's plot actually took place in the week before the game actually begins, and is told in flashbacks from multiple points of view and in an AnachronisticOrder.AnachronicOrder. It can be difficult to follow along when major character motivations and backstories are provided in this format.
6th Jul '17 9:50:28 PM DrakeClawfang
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* LostInMediasRes: A common criticism of the game's opening.

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* LostInMediasRes: A common criticism of the game's opening. ''A lot'' of the game's plot actually took place in the week before the game actually begins, and is told in flashbacks from multiple points of view and in an AnachronisticOrder. It can be difficult to follow along when major character motivations and backstories are provided in this format.
6th Jul '17 9:44:34 PM DrakeClawfang
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: All four of the party members other than Sazh and Fang.
** Lightning is either one of the coolest, most badass females of the franchise and a worthy leader for the group, or a cold and abusive bitch who treats Snow and Serah like crap and never makes amends for her behavior. A separate debate is on if she deserved to become the face of the ''Final Fantasy'' franchise in the years after the game's release, with a lot of spin-offs highlighting her presence.
** You either think Snow is a lovable doofus with a sympathetic angle in his attempts to be the hero of the story, or he's an annoying idiot who needs to shut up about trying to be the hero of the story,
** Hope can either be one of the most interesting kid characters of the franchise who grows from a kid into a badass, or an annoying and cliched angsty teen with daddy issues who whines about everything.
** Vanille is either a tragic StepfordSmiler who hides a deeper character, or you find her accent and perky behavior annoying and blame her for causing the events of the game.
6th Jul '17 2:40:55 PM DavidCowie
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* DemonicSpiders: Anything with "attacks quickly and relentlessly" in its description is likely to be really annoying, especially if it comes in groups.
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