History YMMV / FinalFantasyXIII

19th Mar '17 7:41:15 PM DrakeClawfang
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Nost ''Final Fantasy'' games in the past have been fairly linear. Through a combination of geography and plot reasons, you're often stuck proceeding to the lone next town or dungeon you can find with only the occasional sidequest until you get to near the end of the game when the world opens up to you (usually when you get the airship). However, this game's linearity is heavily criticized because the overworld and actual dungeons to navigate have been removed, leaving many areas of the game as literal straight lines with nothing to do but keep walking towards the objective.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Nost Most ''Final Fantasy'' games in the past have been fairly linear. Through a combination of geography and plot reasons, you're often stuck proceeding to the lone next town or dungeon you can find with only the occasional sidequest until you get to near the end of the game when the world opens up to you (usually when you get the airship). However, this game's linearity is heavily criticized because the overworld and actual dungeons to navigate have been removed, leaving many areas of the game as literal straight lines with nothing to do but keep walking towards the objective.
19th Mar '17 7:40:55 PM DrakeClawfang
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Nost ''Final Fantasy'' games in the past have been fairly linear. Through a combination of geography and plot reasons, you're often stuck proceeding to the lone next town or dungeon you can find with only the occasional sidequest until you get to near the end of the game when the world opens up to you (usually when you get the airship). However, this game's linearity is heavily criticized because the overworld and actual dungeons to navigate have been removed, leaving many areas of the game as literal straight lines with nothing to do but keep walking towards the objective.
16th Mar '17 10:20:41 PM DrakeClawfang
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** Hope is 14, and went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine that includes seeing his mom fall to her death, finding out he's basically a dead man walking, and being forced to rely on a bunch of strange adults for protection as the government tries to hunt them down and kill them. Yet fans hate him for his FreakOut and angsting.

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** Hope is 14, and went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine that includes seeing his mom fall to her death, finding out he's basically a dead man walking, and being forced to rely on a bunch of strange adults (one of which he blames for his mother's death) for protection as the government tries to hunt them down and kill them. Yet fans hate him for his FreakOut and angsting.
16th Mar '17 10:19:09 PM DrakeClawfang
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** In the midst of her 21st birthday, Lightning is hit with the crappiest two weeks of her life and is dealing with a few metric tons of grief and guilt over what's happened to Serah and herself. A faction of fans point to her {{Jerkass}} qualities to criticize her for her behavior in spite of her later CharacterDevelopment.

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** In the midst of her 21st birthday, Lightning is hit with the crappiest two weeks of her life and is dealing trying to cope with a few metric tons of grief and guilt over what's happened to Serah and herself. herself, and only starts to actually get a grip on things in the later chapters of the game. A faction of fans point to her {{Jerkass}} qualities as grounds to criticize her for her behavior in spite of and dismiss her later CharacterDevelopment.
18th Feb '17 7:07:10 PM Sanokal
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** Hope's mom Nora for being a CoolParent and making quite the impact compared to her then-cowardly son.

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** Nora Estheim, Hope's mom Nora mother, for being a CoolParent an ActionMom and making quite the impact compared to her then-cowardly son.



** Sazh himself is this, too. Even if people don't like the game or anything about it, odds are they'll at least admit that they liked him.

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** Sazh himself is this, too.himself. He's unfailingly nice and funny, with a tragic past during the thirteen days to boot that doesn't drive him over the MoralEventHorizon. Even if people don't like the game or anything about it, odds are they'll at least admit that they liked him.



** This actually extends all the way up to Fang's introduction, with the whole party constantly talking about how horrible pulse and pulsians are.

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** This actually extends all the way up to Fang's introduction, with the whole party constantly talking about how horrible pulse Pulse and pulsians are.Pulse l'Cie are. Fang gets a little sick of it.



** Fang might not be the [[GoodIsNotNice nicest]] person around, but in the ending she [[spoiler: goes into crystal stasis with Vanille to hold up Cocoon.]]

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** Fang might not be the [[GoodIsNotNice nicest]] person around, but in the ending she [[spoiler: goes [[spoiler:goes into crystal stasis with Vanille to hold up Cocoon.]]Cocoon]].



* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: [[spoiler:Sazh apparently committing suicide, horrifyingly dramatic though it may be, is pretty obviously not going to stick since it comes directly after he obtains his eidolon.]]

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* LikeYouWouldReallyDoIt: [[spoiler:Sazh apparently committing suicide, horrifyingly dramatic though it may be, is pretty obviously not going to stick since it comes directly after he obtains his eidolon.]]Eidolon]].



** Barthandelus callously [[spoiler:shattering the crystallized Dajh and Serah prior to the final confrontation]] has been met with similar revulsion. [[spoiler: Granted, this was just an illusion, but still]].

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** Barthandelus callously [[spoiler:shattering the crystallized Dajh and Serah prior to the final confrontation]] has been met with similar revulsion. [[spoiler: Granted, [[spoiler:Granted, this was just an illusion, but still]].



** Yet, with death being a slap on the wrist and the restart being a start+select button press, you don't really need to think too hard; but rather just find the answer to the question, making XIII feel more like a puzzle game.

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** Yet, with death being a slap on the wrist and the restart being a start+select button press, you don't really need to think too hard; but rather just find the answer to the question, making XIII ''XIII'' feel more like a puzzle game.



** Barthandelus' Destrudo in his first battle. Unless you shore up your defenses or unload on him to weaken his attack, it can easily lead to a TotalPartyKill.
** [[spoiler:Orphan]] has three; two in the first form and one in the second. Merciless Judgement can't kill, but it will knock you down to critical HP. Progenitoral Wrath is an instant death attack with a high success rate, so god help you if you have a Sentinel as your party leader. Temporal Hole resets the chain gauge; and that form can't be damaged unless it is staggered. And you're on a time limit.

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** Barthandelus' Destrudo in his first battle. Unless you shore up your defenses (and even then that's usually not enough) or unload on him to weaken his attack, it can easily lead to a TotalPartyKill.
** [[spoiler:Orphan]] has three; two in the first form and one in the second. Merciless Judgement can't kill, but it will knock you down to critical HP.HP, is a cutscene-esque attack that you can't change Paradigms in the middle of, and he starts the fight with it. Progenitoral Wrath is an instant death attack with a high success rate, so god help you if you have a Sentinel as your party leader. Temporal Hole resets the chain gauge; and that form can't be damaged unless it is staggered. And you're on a time limit.



** 10,000 Needles. ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin.

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** 10,000 Needles. ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin.ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin, and like the above, it removes buffs and can inflict Pain and Fog.



** Barthandelus is quite a formidable opponent, particularly in his first and second incarnations. He has loads of HP and enjoys dropping a doom timer on your party leader, so your damage had better be top notch.

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** Barthandelus is quite a formidable opponent, particularly in his first and second incarnations. He has loads of HP and enjoys dropping a doom Doom timer on your party leader, so your damage had better be top notch.



** Hope's mother Nora is definitely this. Though one can argue her death is what serves as the basis for Hope's growth and storyline, her scenes in the beginning clearly paint her as this stronger-than-she-looks woman that's telling Snow "Moms are tough" and she even saves his life. Then she's fatally wounded (it's the concussive force of an explosion very close to her) and plummets to her death whilst Snow survives the fall of the same altitude. She's not an EnsembleDarkhorse for nothing.

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** Hope's mother Nora is definitely this.Nora. Though one can argue her death is what serves as the basis for Hope's growth and storyline, her scenes in the beginning clearly paint her as this stronger-than-she-looks woman that's telling Snow "Moms are tough" and she even saves his life. Then she's fatally wounded (it's the concussive force of an explosion very close to her) and plummets to her death whilst Snow survives the fall of the same altitude. She's not an EnsembleDarkhorse for nothing.



** Serah ESPECIALLY. [[spoiler: She gets killed to be turned into a McGuffin...TWICE!]]
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Oddly enough, the Fal'Cie. Their actions are detestable, but as is pointed out, they only have one role in life and all their powers, all their being is devoted towards that role, forever and ever and ever. If ScrewDestiny is the crux of the game's plot, with the player party trying to defy their focus, shouldn't the same hold true for the Fal'Cie? Well, it would be a lot easier to feel sorry for them if they weren't specifically planning to sacrifice the citizens of Coccoon (not to mention the inhabitants of Pulse) in a plan to force Pulse and Lindzei to return. Even [[spoiler:Barthandelus]] has some shades of this, since his final words are expressing relief at his own death. [[spoiler:Orphan, however, is downright '''pitiable'''. Even accounting for his cruel attempts to coax Fang into becoming Ragnarok and turning the others into Cie'th, the kid has had a pretty rough time - from inception, Orphan was sealed away from Cuccoon, the humans he was intended to serve and his fellow Fal'Cie in an alternate dimension; from there he was trapped in a permanent state of unbirth, [[AndIMustScream self-aware but unable to act]], being used as a living battery to keep Cuccoon aloft for for hundreds of years. Little wonder he wants to die after so long in that state. Lightning lambasts him for giving up on life before he was born, but can she really blame him?]]

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** Serah ESPECIALLY. [[spoiler: She [[spoiler:She gets killed to be turned into a McGuffin...TWICE!]]
* WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds: Oddly enough, the Fal'Cie.fal'Cie. Their actions are detestable, but as is pointed out, they only have one role in life and all their powers, all their being is devoted towards that role, forever and ever and ever. If ScrewDestiny is the crux of the game's plot, with the player party trying to defy their focus, shouldn't the same hold true for the Fal'Cie? fal'Cie? Well, it would be a lot easier to feel sorry for them if they weren't specifically planning to sacrifice the citizens of Coccoon (not to mention the inhabitants of Pulse) in a plan to force Pulse and Lindzei to return. Even [[spoiler:Barthandelus]] has some shades of this, since his final words are expressing relief at his own death. [[spoiler:Orphan, however, is downright '''pitiable'''. Even accounting for his cruel attempts to coax Fang into becoming Ragnarok and turning the others into Cie'th, the kid has had a pretty rough time - from inception, Orphan was sealed away from Cuccoon, the humans he was intended to serve and his fellow Fal'Cie fal'Cie in an alternate dimension; from there he was trapped in a permanent state of unbirth, [[AndIMustScream self-aware but unable to act]], being used as a living battery to keep Cuccoon aloft for for hundreds of years. Little wonder he wants to die after so long in that state. Lightning lambasts him for giving up on life before he was born, but can she really blame him?]]
7th Feb '17 2:18:58 PM Dinjoralo
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* PortingDisaster: The PC version of ''Final Fantasy XIII'' is fraught with issues, most notable being awful, backwards performance. An upgrade in hardware can make the game run ''worse'', and any kind of [=HUD=] popup is liable to tank the framerate.
18th Jan '17 8:13:17 PM lalaTKG
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* [[YouLookFamiliar You Sound Familiar]]: Jihl's English voice actress, Paula Tiso, previous starred in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' as straight-laced black mage Lulu. In many ways, Jihl is like an evil Lulu.
8th Jan '17 7:08:12 PM DrakeClawfang
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** Hope is 14, and went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine that includes seeing his mom fall to her death and finding out he's basically a dead man walking. Yet fans hate him for his FreakOut and angsting.

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** Hope is 14, and went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine that includes seeing his mom fall to her death and death, finding out he's basically a dead man walking.walking, and being forced to rely on a bunch of strange adults for protection as the government tries to hunt them down and kill them. Yet fans hate him for his FreakOut and angsting.
8th Jan '17 7:07:08 PM DrakeClawfang
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** Lightning is going through the crappiest two weeks of her life and is dealing with a few metric tons of grief and guilt. A faction of fans point to her {{Jerkass}} qualities to criticize her for her behavior in spite of her later CharacterDevelopment.

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** In the midst of her 21st birthday, Lightning is going through hit with the crappiest two weeks of her life and is dealing with a few metric tons of grief and guilt.guilt over what's happened to Serah and herself. A faction of fans point to her {{Jerkass}} qualities to criticize her for her behavior in spite of her later CharacterDevelopment.
15th Dec '16 5:45:50 PM Heartlesswithaheart
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** Sazh himself is this, too. Even if people don't like the game or anything about it, odds are they'll at least admit that they liked him.
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