History YMMV / FinalFantasyXIII

5th Sep '16 8:05:56 AM MobiusKeeper
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The player party are {{Villain Protagonist}}s. While it's true that they were turned into l'Cie against their will and don't want to destroy Cocoon even if it is their Focus, the cast does little to prove their good intentions. To the contrary, they often make the problem ''worse'', such as Snow firing a gun into the air in a public place and declaring "I'm going to kill you all!" ItMakesSenseInContext (he wants the civilians to run from him so the area is cleared and no one will get hurt in crossfire), but it does not help his case when he shortly after tries to reason with PSICOM and claims he wants to protect Cocoon and means no harm. There's also the hordes of PSICOM officers the party massacres without care in random encounters to consider. Further, [[spoiler:the party ''does'' almost destroy Cocoon by killing Orphan, and it only gets saved when Fang and Vanille pull a DeusExMachina to become Ragnarok and stop Cocoon's fall. The party had no plan at any point to actually save Cocoon, and thanks to Barthandelus' manipulations almost destroy it and got everyone living in it killed. It's up for player opinion if this is Barthandelus being an ''excellent'' MagnificentBastard, or the party being incompetent and selfish.]]



* AnticlimaxBoss: The final form of [[spoiler:Orphan]] is... less than impressive when compared to its monstrous and extremely powerful first form, arguably due to the absence of [[spoiler:Barthandelus]] and its unintimidating voice. Nevertheless, it is still somewhat challenging, especially when compared to [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX other]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII examples]].
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The one thing just about everyone agrees on with this game is that it, like the rest of the series, has an [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy absolutely stellar soundtrack]]. Averted, however, by the lack of the traditional ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' victory fanfare, which is replaced by a very understated tune.
* BadExportForYou: The PC version will only have the Japanese voice acting in Asia. This compared to the other regions who will be getting it in both English '''and''' Japanese. It feels like Square is either too cheap to pay the English [=VAs=] just a little more to have the English voice acting tracks, or are trying to sabotage the game's release on Steam for whatever reason. This is especially aggravating since most people in Asia don't speak Japanese[[note]]And is especially bad in places with negative sentiments towards the Japanese ie South Korea[[/note]]. Sure, it has English subtitles[[note]]Which is broken since it only shows subtitles in the cutscenes and nowhere else. And oh, menu items are Japanese too[[/note]] and is about US$2 cheaper than the other regions' versions, but is still a scathing burn nontheless.
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Dahj's either the most [[TheWoobie huggable]] [[CheerfulChild widdle thing]] you've ever seen or [[UncannyValley you will see him]] [[NightmareFuel in your nightmares]].
** Some fans hate Hope due to his constant Wangsting and some people forgive him due to his FreudianExcuse.
** And Vanille, especially [[AmericansHateTingle in the west.]]
** In the eyes of the fans, Snow is either a [[IdiotHero moronic]] [[WideEyedIdealist naive]] HeroicWannabe, or the only [[AllLovingHero truly good]] person in the game and [[RatedMForManly incredibly]] {{Badass}} to boot.
** Some fans see Lightning as a stoic, beautiful badass with a well-developed character, while others see her as a cold-hearted bitch who is never called out on her behavior and only gets a pass from the fans for it because she's attractive.

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* AnticlimaxBoss: The final form of [[spoiler:Orphan]] is... less than impressive when compared to its monstrous and extremely powerful first form, arguably due to the absence of [[spoiler:Barthandelus]] and its unintimidating voice. Nevertheless, it is still somewhat challenging, especially when compared to [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX other]] [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII examples]].
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The one thing just about everyone agrees on with this game is that it, like the rest of the series, has an [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy absolutely stellar soundtrack]]. Averted, however, by the lack of the traditional ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' victory fanfare, which is replaced by a very understated tune.
* BadExportForYou: The PC version will only have the Japanese voice acting in Asia. This compared to the other regions who will be getting it in both English '''and''' Japanese. It feels like Square is either too cheap to pay the English [=VAs=] just a little more to have the English voice acting tracks, or are trying to sabotage the game's release on Steam for whatever reason. This is especially aggravating since most people in Asia don't speak Japanese[[note]]And is especially bad in places with negative sentiments towards the Japanese ie South Korea[[/note]]. Sure, it has English subtitles[[note]]Which is broken since it only shows subtitles in the cutscenes and nowhere else. And oh, menu items are Japanese too[[/note]] and is about US$2 cheaper than the other regions' versions, but is still a scathing burn nontheless.
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Dahj's either the most [[TheWoobie huggable]] [[CheerfulChild widdle thing]] you've ever seen or [[UncannyValley you will see him]] [[NightmareFuel in your nightmares]].
** Some fans hate Hope due to his constant Wangsting and some people forgive him due to his FreudianExcuse.
** And Vanille, especially [[AmericansHateTingle in the west.]]
** In the eyes of the fans, Snow is either a [[IdiotHero moronic]] [[WideEyedIdealist naive]] HeroicWannabe, or the only [[AllLovingHero truly good]] person in the game and [[RatedMForManly incredibly]] {{Badass}} to boot.
** Some fans see Lightning as a stoic, beautiful badass with a well-developed character, while others see her as a cold-hearted bitch who is never called out on her behavior and only gets a pass from the fans for it because she's attractive.
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* InternetBackdraft:
** God help the poor soul who likes either "Kimi ga iru kara" or "My Hands". These songs opened a new wave of English vs Japanese.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After finally confronting Snow (as well as getting one of the most badass summons), Hope TookALevelInBadass.



** Barthandelus' Destrudo in his first battle. Even at max defense and HP, it WILL kill you if you don't attack him to weaken it. However, there's nothing to tell you this at all.

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** Barthandelus' Destrudo in his first battle. Even at max defense and HP, it WILL kill Unless you if you don't attack shore up your defenses or unload on him to weaken it. However, there's nothing his attack, it can easily lead to tell you this at all.a TotalPartyKill.



** The TrueFinalBoss's first form. He has the highest HP of any non-optional boss, causes tons of negative status effects, and has an attack that will always leave each of your non-Sentinel characters with less than 100 HP, unless your characters are poisoned, in which case they'll be dead before the attack animation is even finished. If you're lucky enough to survive the phase of the battle where he causes all those status effects, he can still randomly and unpredictably cause instant death on any character, including your party leader, which means instant game over.
* ThatOneLevel: Near the beginning of Chapter 4, [[spoiler:when Lightning leaves the rest behind]], you're assigned a party of 3 non-COMMANDO characters for a duration. This period can be the most annoying part of the game; without a COM in your party, enemies with high defense or hit points become GoddamnedBats, as killing these Mooks without the aid of Stagger (which COM characters are a vital asset for inflicting) becomes a marathon of sorts. Battles that normally take less than a minute can easily go past five in this part of the game. [[spoiler:Fortunately, Sazh learns the COM class after this section is over, so the problem never arises again.]] As a light compensation, 2 of the 3 characters you get have the MEDIC class, so death is rarely a threat for this section, and the game makes a point that here, rival groups of enemies will fight each other, allowing you more pre-emptive strike chances and to whittle down both groups as they focus on each other before turning to you. [[note]] This part, becomes significantly easier once you realize that Saboteur skills also slow down the stagger bar reduction. [[/note]]

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** The TrueFinalBoss's first form. He has the highest HP of any non-optional boss, causes tons of negative status effects, and has an attack that will always leave each of your non-Sentinel characters with less than 100 HP, unless your characters are poisoned, in which case they'll be dead before the attack animation is even finished. If you're lucky enough to survive the phase of the battle where he causes all those status effects, he can still randomly and unpredictably cause instant death on any character, including your party leader, which means instant game over.\n* ThatOneLevel: Near the beginning of Chapter 4, [[spoiler:when Lightning leaves the rest behind]], you're assigned a party of 3 non-COMMANDO characters for a duration. This period can be the most annoying part of the game; without a COM in your party, enemies with high defense or hit points become GoddamnedBats, as killing these Mooks without the aid of Stagger (which COM characters are a vital asset for inflicting) becomes a marathon of sorts. Battles that normally take less than a minute can easily go past five in this part of the game. [[spoiler:Fortunately, Sazh learns the COM class after this section is over, so the problem never arises again.]] As a light compensation, 2 of the 3 characters you get have the MEDIC class, so death is rarely a threat for this section, and the game makes a point that here, rival groups of enemies will fight each other, allowing you more pre-emptive strike chances and to whittle down both groups as they focus on each other before turning to you. [[note]] This part, becomes significantly easier once you realize that Saboteur skills also slow down the stagger bar reduction. [[/note]]
29th Aug '16 7:27:12 PM ArchmarschalVonLowen
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** Fans have sparked this between Lightning and [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Aqua]] -- both are LadyOfWar {{Magic Knight}}s, but whereas Lightning is a KnightInSourArmor, Aqua is a [[LoveFreak Friendship Freak]]. Depictions of the two of them together are not hard to find, including one of them using the outfit or a trademark pose of the other. Fang occasionally gets included for a PowerTrio.

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** Fans have sparked this between Lightning and [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Aqua]] -- both Aqua]]--both are LadyOfWar {{Magic Knight}}s, but whereas Lightning is a KnightInSourArmor, Aqua is a [[LoveFreak Friendship Freak]]. Depictions of the two of them together are not hard to find, including one of them using the outfit or a trademark pose of the other. Fang occasionally gets included for a PowerTrio.



* {{Expy}}: The Eidolons are giant robotic humanoids who can convert into the forms of vehicles or robotic animals in their Gestalt Mode. [[{{Transformers}} Sound familiar]]?
14th Jul '16 12:14:19 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgement Setting aside]] how the game itself is sort of LoveItOrHateIt, the main characters are all rather divisive:

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* BaseBreaker: [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgement Setting aside]] how the game itself is sort of LoveItOrHateIt, the main characters are all rather divisive:BaseBreakingCharacter:
5th Jul '16 4:20:58 PM omegafire17
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** Flanitors. Sirens are already annoying, but at least in real life they pass by and grow quiet. These, however, just don't stop until you kill them. And there are a LOT of them in the area. And they heal each other. While making noise!

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** Flanitors. Sirens are already annoying, but at least in real life they pass by and grow quiet. These, however, just don't stop until you kill them. And there are a LOT of them in the area. And they heal each other. While other while making noise!this noise.



** Vanille's voice for many, particularly in the English dub.

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** Vanille's voice for many, some, with some particularly in hating on the English dub.



** Except, with death being a slap on the wrist and the start+select combination easily available when the mission turns sour, the combat isn't really asking the player to think on their feet or fight strategically, but rather find the answer to the puzzle, which makes XIII feel more like a puzzle game than an RPG.



* {{Wangst}}: Many players claim Hope is guilty of this. Other people feel that Hope's reaction is perfectly justified as a character but are just annoyed at the writers for going down that predictable path, making it an out-of-universe PetPeeveTrope. In addition, while it is completely justified, the overtly dragging pacing (there are tons of moments he could've spoke up yet choked) of the arc was something many players were getting sick of enduring in a video game, rather than a movie.

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* {{Wangst}}: Many players claim Hope is guilty of this. Other people feel that Hope's reaction is perfectly justified as a character but are just annoyed at the writers for going down that predictable path, making it an out-of-universe PetPeeveTrope. In addition, while it is it's completely justified, the overtly dragging pacing (there are tons of moments he could've spoke up yet choked) of the arc was something many players were getting sick of enduring in a video game, rather than a movie.
13th Jun '16 5:51:44 PM Sanokal
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** Hope's mom Nora.
** There are ''still'' people upset that Jihl didn't have a bigger role, especially since early trailers played her up as a major antagonist. [[spoiler:Demands that she should have been faced in battle were also heard, and met with ''XIII-2'' at least]].

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** Hope's mom Nora.
Nora for being a CoolParent and making quite the impact compared to her then-cowardly son.
** Jihl Nabaat. In addition to being EvilIsSexy, her smooth villainy and her twisted role in Sazh's backstory left quite the impression. There are ''still'' people upset that Jihl didn't have a bigger role, especially since early trailers played her up as a major antagonist. [[spoiler:Demands that she should have been faced in battle were also heard, and met with ''XIII-2'' at least]].



* EvilIsSexy: Jihl Nabaat, a glass-wearing PSICOM officer with considerable assets.

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* EvilIsSexy: Jihl Nabaat, a glass-wearing the bespectacled PSICOM officer with considerable assets.



** Some of the full ATB skills can be outright devastating if used properly. Lightning's Army of One seems to stand out among them due to how many things you can do to capitalize on its effectiveness.

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** Some of the The full ATB skills can be outright devastating if used properly. Lightning's Army of One seems to stand out among them due to how many things you can do to capitalize on its effectiveness. Snow and Fang's attacks can take out oretoise legs with ease, and Vanille's Death is...well, Death, but unlike previous entries, Death also deals a lot of damage if it doesn't work.



** Jihl was already a manipulative bitch for taking away Dajh from Sazh [[spoiler: for being a Cocoon L'Cie]], and allowing PSICOM soldiers to open fire at Nautilus of all places. But then she manipulates Sazh into letting him kill [[spoiler: Vanille because she was partially responsible for Dajh becoming a L'Cie in the first place.]] Her reaction? To sit back and watch, because she thinks it would be amusing to see one L'Cie kill another.
** [[spoiler: Orphan]] crosses it when he [[spoiler: transforms the party into Cie'th.]]

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** Jihl was already a manipulative bitch for taking away Dajh from Sazh [[spoiler: for [[spoiler:for being a Cocoon L'Cie]], l'Cie]], and allowing PSICOM soldiers to open fire at Nautilus of all places. But then she manipulates Sazh into letting him kill [[spoiler: Vanille [[spoiler:Vanille because she was partially responsible for Dajh becoming a L'Cie l'Cie in the first place.]] Her reaction? To sit back and watch, because she thinks it would be amusing to see one L'Cie l'Cie kill another.
** [[spoiler: Orphan]] [[spoiler:Orphan]] crosses it when he [[spoiler: transforms [[spoiler:transforms the party into Cie'th.]]



* ThatOneAttack:
** Barthandelus' Destrudo in his first battle. Even at max defense and HP, it WILL kill you if you don't attack him to weaken it. However, there's nothing to tell you this at all.
** [[spoiler:Orphan]] has three; two in the first form and one in the second. Merciless Judgement can't kill, but it will knock you down to critical HP. Progenitoral Wrath is an instant death attack with a high success rate, so god help you if you have a Sentinel as your party leader. Temporal Hole resets the chain gauge; and that form can't be damaged unless it is staggered. And you're on a time limit.
** Bay and Roar from the oretoises and Screech from the ochus. Not only are they extremely powerful and quick and remove buffs, but the former ones also Daze the entire party, preventing the player from moving until cured or struck. The former can only be done with items and Esuna, which only target one character, and the latter is a death sentence since Daze also increases the damage of the next hit.
** 10,000 Needles. ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin.



** The battle with [[spoiler:Cid Raines]] is a very difficult one at the time the player is required to fight them, [[spoiler:since he's more than capable of taking out any unprepared player in one swoop, and can apparently cast the uncurable death countdown spell if the player takes too long to defeat him, ouch!]]

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** The battle with [[spoiler:Cid Raines]] is a very difficult one at the time the player is required to fight them, him, [[spoiler:since he's more than capable of taking out any unprepared player in one swoop, and can apparently cast the uncurable death countdown spell Doom if the player takes too long to defeat him, ouch!]]
13th Jun '16 3:51:24 PM TheBuddy26
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* BaseBreaker: Setting aside how the game itself is sort of LoveItOrHateIt, the main characters are all rather divisive:

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* BaseBreaker: [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgement Setting aside aside]] how the game itself is sort of LoveItOrHateIt, the main characters are all rather divisive:
23rd May '16 9:10:46 PM DrakeClawfang
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** Hope is 14, went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine that includes seeing his mom fall to her death. Yet fans hate him for his FreakOut and angsting.

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** Hope is 14, and went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine that includes seeing his mom fall to her death.death and finding out he's basically a dead man walking. Yet fans hate him for his FreakOut and angsting.
23rd May '16 9:07:16 PM DrakeClawfang
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* AngstDissonance: Hope is 14, went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine and he is hated for the resulting FreakOut.

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* AngstDissonance: AngstDissonance:
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Hope is 14, went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine that includes seeing his mom fall to her death. Yet fans hate him for his FreakOut and he angsting.
** Lightning
is hated going through the crappiest two weeks of her life and is dealing with a few metric tons of grief and guilt. A faction of fans point to her {{Jerkass}} qualities to criticize her for the resulting FreakOut.her behavior in spite of her later CharacterDevelopment.
13th May '16 9:43:06 PM mlsmithca
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The player party are {{Villain Protagonist}}s. While it's true that they were turned into l'Cie against their will and don't want to destroy Cocoon even if it is their Focus, the cast does little to prove their good intentions. To the contrary, they often make the problem ''worse'', such as Snow firing a gun into the air in a public place and declaring "I'm going to kill you all!" ItMakesSenseInContext (he wants the civilians to run from him so the area is cleared and no one will get hurt in crossfire), but it does not help his case when he shortly after tries to reason with PSICOM and claims he wants to protect Cocoon and means no harm. There's also the hordes of PSICOM officers the party massacres without care in random encounters to consider. Further, [[spoiler:the party ''does'' almost destroy Cocoon by killing Orphan, and it only gets saved when Fang and Vanille pull a DeusExMachina to become Ragnarok and stop Cocoon's fall. The party had no plan at any point to actually save Cocoon, and thanks to Barthandelus' manipulations almost destroy it and got everyone living in it killed. It's up for player opinion if this is Barthandelus being an ''excellent'' MagnificentBastard, or the party being incompetent and selfish.]]
* AngstDissonance: Hope is 14, went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine and he is hated for the resulting FreakOut.



* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: The one thing just about everyone agrees on with this game is that it, like the rest of the series, has an [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy absolutely stellar soundtrack]]. Averted, however, by the lack of the traditional ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' victory fanfare, which is replaced by a very understated tune.



* BaseBreaker: Setting aside how the game itself is sort of LoveItOrHateIt, the main characters are all rather divisive:
** Dahj's either the most [[TheWoobie huggable]] [[CheerfulChild widdle thing]] you've ever seen or [[UncannyValley you will see him]] [[NightmareFuel in your nightmares]].
** Some fans hate Hope due to his constant Wangsting and some people forgive him due to his FreudianExcuse.
** And Vanille, especially [[AmericansHateTingle in the west.]]
** In the eyes of the fans, Snow is either a [[IdiotHero moronic]] [[WideEyedIdealist naive]] HeroicWannabe, or the only [[AllLovingHero truly good]] person in the game and [[RatedMForManly incredibly]] {{Badass}} to boot.
** Some fans see Lightning as a stoic, beautiful badass with a well-developed character, while others see her as a cold-hearted bitch who is never called out on her behavior and only gets a pass from the fans for it because she's attractive.



* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: The one thing just about everyone agrees on with this game is that it, like the rest of the series, has an [[AwesomeMusic/FinalFantasy absolutely stellar soundtrack]].


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* {{Wangst}}: Many players claim Hope is guilty of this. Other people feel that Hope's reaction is perfectly justified as a character but are just annoyed at the writers for going down that predictable path, making it an out-of-universe PetPeeveTrope. In addition, while it is completely justified, the overtly dragging pacing (there are tons of moments he could've spoke up yet choked) of the arc was something many players were getting sick of enduring in a video game, rather than a movie.
13th May '16 7:00:52 PM MissesJinx
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The player party are {{Villain Protagonist}}s. While it's true that they were turned into l'Cie against their will and don't want to destroy Cocoon even if it is their Focus, the cast does little to prove their good intentions. To the contrary, they often make the problem ''worse'', such as Snow firing a gun into the air in a public place and declaring "I'm going to kill you all!" ItMakesSenseInContext (he wants the civilians to run from him so the area is cleared and no one will get hurt in crossfire), but it does not help his case when he shortly after tries to reason with PSICOM and claims he wants to protect Cocoon and means no harm. There's also the hordes of PSICOM officers the party massacres without care in random encounters to consider. Further, [[spoiler:the party ''does'' almost destroy Cocoon by killing Orphan, and it only gets saved when Fang and Vanille pull a DeusExMachina to become Ragnarok and stop Cocoon's fall. The party had no plan at any point to actually save Cocoon, and thanks to Barthandelus' manipulations almost destroy it and got everyone living in it killed. It's up for player opinion if this is Barthandelus being an ''excellent'' MagnificentBastard, or the party being incompetent and selfish.]]
* AngstDissonance: Hope is 14, went through a ''hell'' of a TraumaCongaLine and he is hated for the resulting FreakOut.



* BaseBreaker: Setting aside how the game itself is sort of LoveItOrHateIt, the main characters are all rather divisive:
** Dahj's either the most [[TheWoobie huggable]] [[CheerfulChild widdle thing]] you've ever seen or [[UncannyValley you will see him]] [[NightmareFuel in your nightmares]].
** Some fans hate Hope due to his constant Wangsting and some people forgive him due to his FreudianExcuse.
** And Vanille, especially [[AmericansHateTingle in the west.]]
** In the eyes of the fans, Snow is either a [[IdiotHero moronic]] [[WideEyedIdealist naive]] HeroicWannabe, or the only [[AllLovingHero truly good]] person in the game and [[RatedMForManly incredibly]] {{Badass}} to boot.
** Some fans see Lightning as a stoic, beautiful badass with a well-developed character, while others see her as a cold-hearted bitch who is never called out on her behavior and only gets a pass from the fans for it because she's attractive.



** Averted, however, by the lack of the traditional ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' victory fanfare, which is replaced by a very understated tune.



** The jump to multi-platform made a few people a bit upset. This game in general is [[BaseBreaker divisive.]]



* {{Wangst}}: Many players claim Hope is guilty of this. Other people feel that Hope's reaction is perfectly justified as a character but are just annoyed at the writers for going down that predictable path, making it an out-of-universe PetPeeveTrope. In addition, while it is completely justified, the overtly dragging pacing (there are tons of moments he could've spoke up yet choked) of the arc was something many players were getting sick of enduring in a video game, rather than a movie.
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