History YMMV / FinalFantasyXIII

20th May '18 12:04:20 AM Scabbard
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*** That being said, it should be noted that the age gap between the two can lead to these same moments coming across as a mother/big sister consoling her son/younger brother, scaring away even those that were willing to overlook the Shotacon tones. But then the sequels happened and Hope was able to surpass Lightning in physical and mental age, removing the only obstacle keeping shippers at bay, making Hoprai easily the most popular ship for the two characters.

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*** That being said, it should be noted that the age gap between the two can lead to these same moments coming across as a mother/big sister consoling her son/younger brother, scaring away even those that were willing to overlook the Shotacon tones. But then the sequels happened and Hope was able to surpass Lightning in physical and mental age, removing the only obstacle keeping shippers at bay, and making Hoprai easily the most popular ship for the two characters.



** Amusingly, Serah and Snow, the only canon couple, is not particularly well-liked by a majority of fans. There's no real hate it seems, but no particular like either. An oft cited reason is the bizarre visual the couple makes- Snow's massive frame and Serah's positively petite and demure physique making the two come across as a big brother looking out for his frail little sister.

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** Amusingly, Serah and Snow, Snow- the only canon couple, couple- is not particularly well-liked by a majority of fans. There's no real hate it seems, but no particular like either. An oft cited reason is the bizarre visual the couple makes- Snow's massive frame and boisterous demeanor with Serah's positively petite physique and demure physique making personality can leave the two come coming across as a big brother looking out for his frail little sister.sister more than a loving couple.
20th May '18 12:00:41 AM Scabbard
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** [[AgeGapRomance Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]]. The two have plenty of tender moments which serve to bring out Lightning's kinder side and help bring Hope out of his depression when few others can. But two the age gap between the two can make these moments seem like a mother/big sister consoling her son/little brother.
** For the fans that hate Hope or simply aren't into Shotacon, Fang/Lightning ([[PortmanteauCoupleName "Flight"]]) is probably the ship of choice for her; boasting the most amount of comments/highest views for fanfiction. Being two beautiful and powerful women with some of the most developed character arcs and significant roles in the story definitely helped.
** Also [[LesYay Fang/Vanille]], thanks to plenty of {{subtext}}.

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** [[AgeGapRomance Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]]. The two have plenty of tender moments which serve to bring out Lightning's kinder side and help bring draw Hope out of his depression when few others can. But two can.
*** That being said, it should be noted that
the age gap between the two can make lead to these same moments seem like coming across as a mother/big sister consoling her son/little brother.
son/younger brother, scaring away even those that were willing to overlook the Shotacon tones. But then the sequels happened and Hope was able to surpass Lightning in physical and mental age, removing the only obstacle keeping shippers at bay, making Hoprai easily the most popular ship for the two characters.
** For the fans that hate Hope or simply aren't into Shotacon, Fang/Lightning ([[PortmanteauCoupleName "Flight"]]) is probably the ship of choice for her; the two; boasting the most amount of comments/highest views for fanfiction. Being two beautiful and powerful women with some of the most developed character arcs and significant roles in the story definitely helped.
** Also [[LesYay Fang/Vanille]], thanks to plenty so much {{subtext}} that most of {{subtext}}.the fanbase chooses to consider it text.



** Amusingly, Serah and Snow, the only canon couple, is not particularly well-liked by a majority of fans. There's no real hate it seems, but no particular like either.

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** Amusingly, Serah and Snow, the only canon couple, is not particularly well-liked by a majority of fans. There's no real hate it seems, but no particular like either. An oft cited reason is the bizarre visual the couple makes- Snow's massive frame and Serah's positively petite and demure physique making the two come across as a big brother looking out for his frail little sister.
19th May '18 7:17:54 PM Scabbard
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** [[AgeGapRomance Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]]. Not quite so much in the first game of the XIII Trilogy compared to its status later on. Hope is considerably younger than Lightning and with his grieving over his mother and her fighting to save her sister, their dynamic can be seen as a surrogate mother and son/big sister and little brother. But they do have enough tender moments to get the ship going and out of the family realm; at least enough for fans to read Hope as developing a crush on an oblivious Lightning. Enough so that when Hope is AllGrownUp the ship surpassed all others to be Lightning's most preferred couple choice. Still, there is a respectable amount of FanArt shipping this version of Hope with Lightning- moreso with her than with anyone else.

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** [[AgeGapRomance Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]]. Not quite so much in the first game of the XIII Trilogy compared to its status later on. Hope is considerably younger than Lightning and with his grieving over his mother and her fighting to save her sister, their dynamic can be seen as a surrogate mother and son/big sister and little brother. But they do The two have enough plenty of tender moments which serve to get the ship going and bring out of the family realm; at least enough for fans to read Hope as developing a crush on an oblivious Lightning. Enough so that when Hope is AllGrownUp the ship surpassed all others to be Lightning's most preferred couple choice. Still, there is a respectable amount of FanArt shipping this version of kinder side and help bring Hope with Lightning- moreso with out of his depression when few others can. But two the age gap between the two can make these moments seem like a mother/big sister consoling her than with anyone else. son/little brother.
19th May '18 1:02:39 PM Scabbard
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** [[AgeGapRomance Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]]. Not quite so much in the first game of the XIII Trilogy since Hope is considerably younger than Lightning and with his grieving over his mother and her fighting to save her sister, their dynamic can be seen as a surrogate mother and son/big sister and little brother. But they do have enough tender moments to get the ship going and out of the family realm; at least enough for fans to read Hope as developing a crush on an oblivious Lightning. Enough so that when Hope is AllGrownUp the ship surpassed all others to be Lightning's most preferred couple choice. Still, there is a respectable amount of FanArt shipping this version of Hope with Lightning- moreso with her than with anyone else.

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** [[AgeGapRomance Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]]. Not quite so much in the first game of the XIII Trilogy since compared to its status later on. Hope is considerably younger than Lightning and with his grieving over his mother and her fighting to save her sister, their dynamic can be seen as a surrogate mother and son/big sister and little brother. But they do have enough tender moments to get the ship going and out of the family realm; at least enough for fans to read Hope as developing a crush on an oblivious Lightning. Enough so that when Hope is AllGrownUp the ship surpassed all others to be Lightning's most preferred couple choice. Still, there is a respectable amount of FanArt shipping this version of Hope with Lightning- moreso with her than with anyone else.
19th May '18 12:56:21 PM Scabbard
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** [[AgeGapRomance Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]]. Not quite so much in the first game of the XIII Trilogy since Hope is considerably younger than Lightning and with his grieving over his mother and her fighting to save her sister, their dynamic can be seen as a surrogate mother and son/big sister and little brother. But they do have enough tender moments to get the ship going and out of the family realm; at least enough for fans to read Hope as developing a crush on an oblivious Lightning. Enough so that when Hope is AllGrownUp the ship surpassed all others to be Lightning's most preferred couple choice. Still, there is a respectable amount of FanArt shipping this version of Hope with Lightning- moreso than her with anyone else.

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** [[AgeGapRomance Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]]. Not quite so much in the first game of the XIII Trilogy since Hope is considerably younger than Lightning and with his grieving over his mother and her fighting to save her sister, their dynamic can be seen as a surrogate mother and son/big sister and little brother. But they do have enough tender moments to get the ship going and out of the family realm; at least enough for fans to read Hope as developing a crush on an oblivious Lightning. Enough so that when Hope is AllGrownUp the ship surpassed all others to be Lightning's most preferred couple choice. Still, there is a respectable amount of FanArt shipping this version of Hope with Lightning- moreso with her than her with anyone else.
19th May '18 12:36:06 PM Scabbard
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** [[NoYay Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]], has apparently gotten to be the most popular couple in the game. Or at least the one that's attracting the most FanArt.
** For the fans that hate Hope, Fang/Lightning ([[PortmanteauCoupleName "Flight"]]) is probably the ship of choice for her.

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** [[NoYay [[AgeGapRomance Hope/Lightning]], or [[PortmanteauCoupleName Hoprai]], has apparently gotten to be the most popular couple Hoprai]]. Not quite so much in the game. Or first game of the XIII Trilogy since Hope is considerably younger than Lightning and with his grieving over his mother and her fighting to save her sister, their dynamic can be seen as a surrogate mother and son/big sister and little brother. But they do have enough tender moments to get the ship going and out of the family realm; at least enough for fans to read Hope as developing a crush on an oblivious Lightning. Enough so that when Hope is AllGrownUp the one that's attracting the ship surpassed all others to be Lightning's most FanArt.
preferred couple choice. Still, there is a respectable amount of FanArt shipping this version of Hope with Lightning- moreso than her with anyone else.
** For the fans that hate Hope, Hope or simply aren't into Shotacon, Fang/Lightning ([[PortmanteauCoupleName "Flight"]]) is probably the ship of choice for her.her; boasting the most amount of comments/highest views for fanfiction. Being two beautiful and powerful women with some of the most developed character arcs and significant roles in the story definitely helped.
19th May '18 4:36:38 AM GavsEvans123
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* VindicatedByHistory: This game has started to gain more popularity in recent years, partly due to the reception of {{VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV}} being even more divisive than this game, and partly because Lightning's WolverinePublicity has been toned down a bit now that her game is no longer the most current one.
21st Feb '18 10:47:47 AM DrakeClawfang
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Most ''Final Fantasy'' games in the past have been fairly linear. Through a combination of geography and plot reasons, you're often stuck exploring the overworld for the lone next town or dungeon you can find, with only the occasional sidequest, until you get to near the end of the game and the world opens up to you (usually when you get the airship). Further, while you're often able to backtrack to revisit previous areas, there's often little reason to do so unless the plot calls for it. With this game, the linearity and inability to backtrack were heavily criticized because the overworld and actual dungeons to navigate have been removed, leaving many areas of the game as literal straight lines, with little choice of what to do or where to go but forward. In a practical sense, ''XIII'' only really just removed the illusion of a wide-open world, but it seems to have been enough.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Most ''Final Fantasy'' games in the past have been fairly linear. Through a combination of convenient geography and plot reasons, contrivances, you're often stuck exploring the overworld for the lone next town or dungeon you can find, with only the occasional sidequest, until you get to near the end of the game and the world opens up to you (usually when you get the airship). Further, while While you're often able to backtrack to revisit previous areas, there's often little reason to do so unless the plot calls for it. With this game, the linearity and inability to backtrack were heavily criticized because the overworld and actual dungeons to navigate have been removed, leaving many areas of the game as literal straight lines, with little choice of what to do or where to go but forward. In a practical sense, ''XIII'' only really just removed the illusion of a wide-open world, but it seems to have been enough.
4th Feb '18 12:39:06 AM BigKlingy
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** Vanille's voice for some, with some particularly hating on the English dub.

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** Vanille's voice for some, with some particularly hating on the English dub. [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Not so much to actual Australians though]], who [[RealityIsUnrealistic find it a much more realistic accent than Fang's.]]
19th Jan '18 4:07:12 AM OlfinBedwere
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* PortingDisaster: The PC version of ''Final Fantasy XIII'' is fraught with issues, most notable being awful, backwards performance. An upgrade in hardware can make the game run ''worse'', and any kind of [=HUD=] popup is liable to tank the framerate.

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* PortingDisaster: PortingDisaster:
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The PC version of ''Final Fantasy XIII'' is fraught with issues, most notable being awful, backwards performance. An upgrade in hardware can make the game run ''worse'', and any kind of [=HUD=] popup is liable to tank the framerate.
** The Xbox 360 port wasn't too hot either, running at a resolution barely above Standard Definition, missing several graphical effects, suffering from noticeably degraded FMV quality, and also being prone to texture pop-in and noticeably longer loading times. The 360 ports of ''XIII-2'' and ''Lightning Returns'', on the other hand, were virtually on-par with the [=PS3=] versions in terms of graphics quality (with only the FMV quality issues remaining, which was unavoidable due to the 360 using [=DVDs=] instead of Blu-Ray discs), strengthening suspicions that the 360 port of this game was a rush-job.
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