History YMMV / FinalFantasyVIII

14th Mar '17 10:53:24 PM Zaptech
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** With a dash of {{Squick}}, Julia and Laguna. The two were ''this'' close to hooking up, concept art depicting "Julia ''Loire's''" tombstone implies they might have been planned to during development, and the game's main theme and love song for Squall and Rinoa was written by Julia for Laguna. We know Julia is Rinoa's mother, and it's heavily implied [[spoiler:Laguna is Squall's father]]... think about that for a moment. [[spoiler:You're playing a game where the main couple's parents, both in-universe and in the real world, might have gotten together themselves if things had gone differently, meaning both Squall and Rinoa ''wouldn't even exist'']].
3rd Mar '17 9:01:57 AM rixion
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Squall is either one of Square's coolest characters (even Nojima found him too cool in an interview) or an annoying antisocial characters ever (see AngstDissonance above).



** Squall is either one of Square's coolest characters (even Nojima found him too cool in an interview) or an annoying antisocial characters ever (see AngstDissonance above).
2nd Mar '17 6:19:59 AM VoraciousApe
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**Squall is either one of Square's coolest characters (even Nojima found him too cool in an interview) or an annoying antisocial characters ever (see AngstDissonance above).
28th Feb '17 8:51:49 PM Toadofsteel
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** With a dash of {{Squick}}, Julia and Laguna. The two were ''this'' close to hooking up, concept art depicting "Julia ''Loire's''" tombstone implies they might have been planned to during development, and the game's main theme and love song for Squall and Rinoa was written by Julia for Laguna. We know Julia is Rinoa's mother, and it's heavily implied [[spoiler:Laguna is Squall's father]]... think about that for a moment. [[spoiler:You're playing a game where the main couple's parents, both in-universe and in the real world, might have gotten together themselves if things had gone differently]].

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** With a dash of {{Squick}}, Julia and Laguna. The two were ''this'' close to hooking up, concept art depicting "Julia ''Loire's''" tombstone implies they might have been planned to during development, and the game's main theme and love song for Squall and Rinoa was written by Julia for Laguna. We know Julia is Rinoa's mother, and it's heavily implied [[spoiler:Laguna is Squall's father]]... think about that for a moment. [[spoiler:You're playing a game where the main couple's parents, both in-universe and in the real world, might have gotten together themselves if things had gone differently]].differently, meaning both Squall and Rinoa ''wouldn't even exist'']].
7th Feb '17 9:40:23 PM Zaptech
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* BaseBreaker: Squall is either a cool lone wolf, or one of the most unlikable protagonists in the series due to his antisocial tendencies. His angst is explained but really late in the game.
7th Feb '17 5:54:26 PM VoraciousApe
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* BaseBreaker: Squall is either a cool lone wolf, or one of the most unlikable protagonists in the series due to his antisocial tendencies. His angst is explained but really late in the game.
26th Jan '17 5:36:12 AM fearlessnikki
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Squall is not only depressed, but also a DeathSeeker. He does some ''idiotically'' dangerous things throughout the game, which most view as a result of his sheer determination and [[TheHero instinct towards heroism]], but in Disc 3, he basically says he never intended to be a [=SeeD=] and he doesn't really like it. There's a very likely chance that in his subconscious he's more than willing to do things like jump down multiple stories to save friends and carry a girl on his back across bridge spanning a body of water the size of the Atlantic Ocean because those actions will very likely result in his death.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
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Squall is not only depressed, but also a DeathSeeker. He does some ''idiotically'' dangerous things throughout the game, which most view as a result of his sheer determination and [[TheHero instinct towards heroism]], but in Disc 3, he basically says he never intended to be a [=SeeD=] and he doesn't really like it. There's a very likely chance that in his subconscious he's more than willing to do things like jump down multiple stories to save friends and carry a girl on his back across bridge spanning a body of water the size of the Atlantic Ocean because those actions will very likely result in his death.



*** When they first meet at the [=SeeD=] graduation ball, Rinoa behaves a bit weird, trying fake hypnotism and dragging him to the dance floor... but [[FridgeBrilliance if you think about it]], her behavior could be due to her trying to cheer up the gloomy kid standing alone after a very rough day.
** Thanks to some translation changes and story retcons between ''Dissidia'' and ''Dissidia 012'' - does Ultimecia wish to compress time to return to her happy childhood after a miserable life, to become a goddess over an idealized world who will be worshipped and revered because she wants to be loved, to become a goddess over ''her'' idealized world to lord over humanity, or is she a pure OmnicidalManiac seeking to cause a TimeCrash?

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*** ** When they first meet at the [=SeeD=] graduation ball, Rinoa behaves a bit weird, trying fake hypnotism and dragging him to the dance floor... but [[FridgeBrilliance if you think about it]], her behavior could be due to her trying to cheer up the gloomy kid standing alone after a very rough day.
day. Squall's scar is also pretty fresh at this stage, and Rinoa's first words to him are that he's the best looking guy there.
** Thanks to some translation changes and story retcons between ''Dissidia'' and ''Dissidia 012'' - does Ultimecia wish to compress time to return to her happy childhood after a miserable life, to become a goddess over an idealized world who will be worshipped worshiped and revered because she wants to be loved, to become a goddess over ''her'' idealized world to lord over humanity, or is she a pure OmnicidalManiac seeking to cause a TimeCrash?TimeCrash?
** Julia and Laguna are subject to this. We only see one scene with them together, and it's not known if they saw each other after that and dated for a while. Julia's song is mainly about Laguna watching her from the bar, implying she didn't know him that well. And compare Laguna's interactions with her to Raine; he stutters and gets tongue-tied around Julia, but is fiercely loyal and protective of Raine. It's entirely possible that Julia was just a crush that never went anywhere. Or perhaps, given the subject matter of the song, that the attraction was more on Julia's end than Laguna's.



* DracoInLeatherPants: Seifer. The guy's a {{Jerkass}} for most of the game, but the fangirls love him anyway.
* EarWorm: Shuffle and Boogie, the Triple Triad theme.
** Also, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXgRlaADzE Movin']]. (Song has an unusually long intro - the real EarWorm starts at about 2:00)

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Seifer. The guy's a {{Jerkass}} for most of the game, but the fangirls love him anyway.
anyway. There is some element of JerkassWoobie there, once his backstory is revealed, but some of his nastier aspects tend to get downplayed.
* EarWorm: EarWorm:
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Shuffle and Boogie, the Triple Triad theme.
** Also, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXgRlaADzE Movin']]. (Song This one has an unusually a rather long intro - the real EarWorm starts at about 2:00)but around two minutes in, it becomes a full Ear Worm.



* FairForItsDay: The English translation doesn't hold up particularly well several years after the game's release. But at the time, compared to the BlindIdiotTranslation that ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' received, it was a huge step in the right direction. It at least showed that there was a possibility for the translations to be good.



** {{Limit Break}}s, rather than using a charging meter, go back to their roots as {{Desperation Attack}}s by being more likely to become available when a character has low HP. This means you can ''deliberately'' keep your characters in the red; heck, the game even ''rewards'' you for playing this way by promoting you to higher [=SeeD=] rankings. Finally, the late-game "Aura" spell buffs a character with a close-to-100% Limit Break probability no matter ''what'' their HP.
*** Furthermore, there also exists a "Crisis Level" which determines how powerful the Limit Break will be, among other things; Aura boosts ''that'' too, so not only do they happen more often, they're the more powerful versions too. Combining [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs Aura with low health]] only makes this more profound.

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** {{Limit Break}}s, rather than using a charging meter, go back to their roots as {{Desperation Attack}}s by being more likely to become available when a character has low HP. This means you can ''deliberately'' keep your characters in the red; heck, the game even ''rewards'' you for playing this way by promoting you to higher [=SeeD=] rankings. Finally, the late-game "Aura" spell buffs a character with a close-to-100% Limit Break probability no matter ''what'' their HP.
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HP. Furthermore, there also exists a "Crisis Level" which determines how powerful the Limit Break will be, among other things; Aura boosts ''that'' too, so not only do they happen more often, they're the more powerful versions too. Combining [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs Aura with low health]] only makes this more profound.



*** Rinoa increases the likelihood of the better Angelo moves being used (Invincible Moon and Wishing Star)[[spoiler: , Angel Wing isn't effected.]]

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*** Rinoa increases the likelihood of the better Angelo moves being used (Invincible Moon and Wishing Star)[[spoiler: , Angel Wing isn't effected.affected.]]



* HarsherInHindsight: With a dash of {{Squick}}, Julia and Laguna. The two were ''this'' close to hooking up, concept art depicting "Julia ''Loire's''" tombstone implies they might have been planned to during development, and the game's main theme and love song for Squall and Rinoa was written by Julia for Laguna. We know Julia is Rinoa's mother, and it's heavily implied [[spoiler:Laguna is Squall's father]]... think about that for a moment. [[spoiler:You're playing a game where the main couple's parents, both in-universe and in the real world, might have gotten together themselves if things had gone differently]].

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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With a dash of {{Squick}}, Julia and Laguna. The two were ''this'' close to hooking up, concept art depicting "Julia ''Loire's''" tombstone implies they might have been planned to during development, and the game's main theme and love song for Squall and Rinoa was written by Julia for Laguna. We know Julia is Rinoa's mother, and it's heavily implied [[spoiler:Laguna is Squall's father]]... think about that for a moment. [[spoiler:You're playing a game where the main couple's parents, both in-universe and in the real world, might have gotten together themselves if things had gone differently]].



* RewatchBonus: Everything Edea does in the first two discs, and a good bit of what Cid and Irvine do during the same period, takes on considerably different meaning on a second pass through the same.

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* RewatchBonus: RewatchBonus:
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Everything Edea does in the first two discs, and a good bit of what Cid and Irvine do during the same period, takes on considerably different meaning on a second pass through the same.



** Irvine's LimitBreak is the only one that isn't magic-based. As in you need ammo bought in shops to power it. This makes perfect sense since he hasn't junctioned to a GF [[spoiler: and lost his memories of growing up in the orphanage]].
** On the second disk if you take Rinoa on a tour of Balamb, when you meet Dr Kadowaki in the infirmary you have the option to say that Rinoa is your girlfriend. Rinoa is left shocked, before Squall says he's joking. A very early sign of him opening up to her and defrosting slightly.



* VindicatedByHistory: With the HypeBacklash of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'', and Squall having [[KingdomHearts other]] [[VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy appearances]], ''VIII'' has started to receive a warmed reception from the fanbase.
** The game itself has largely been looked upon more positively, in particular its junction system and characters. Many see a lot of criticism unfairly levied at it solely for ''not'' being FFVII.

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* VindicatedByHistory: With the HypeBacklash of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'', and Squall having [[KingdomHearts other]] [[VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy appearances]], ''VIII'' has started to receive a warmed reception from the fanbase.
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fanbase. The game itself has largely been looked upon more positively, in particular its junction system and characters. Many see a lot of criticism unfairly levied at it solely for ''not'' being FFVII.



*** [[spoiler:Squall and Seifer were never adopted, and were simply enlisted at Balamb Garden instead of getting to grow up with a loving family. And on top of that, Squall is forcibly separated from Ellone and becomes the self-reliant recluse we first meet at the start of the game because he didn't want to lose anyone close to him again.]]
*** Quistis just can't win. Despite the fact she's a child prodigy, her emotional state is actually very fragile. [[spoiler: You learn later that it's at least partially because she was torn away from Squall and the other orphans she tried to care for and because of this, she never got along with her new adopted family. She came to [=SeeD=] to start over, rose through the ranks, and then thanks to GF induced memory loss, forgot Squall but still felt so attached to him she ended up sabotaging her own career.]]
*** [[spoiler: When Irvine joins the party, he ''recognizes'' his old childhood friends, but quickly realizes none of them remember any of their time at the orphanage, and can only watch as he seems them plotting to assassinate the woman who ran the orphanage.]]
* {{Woolseyism}}: This was the first video game that was translated to non-English European languages internally by Square Enix, motivated by the localization debacle that was ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII''. The results were spectacular, specially in languages like Spanish, where they included all sorts of different accents for the characters that made the game even more memorable.
** While the English translation on the surface looks more polished than ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s, fans comparing the original Japanese script with the translation revealed a number of serious issues, like the changing of Rinoa's personality or the complete butchering of Ultimecia's speeches for no apparent reason.
** The "hot dogs" Zell lusts after were originally filled breads, which is why that pile of hot dogs at the end have no visible wieners.

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*** ** [[spoiler:Squall and Seifer were never adopted, and were simply enlisted at Balamb Garden instead of getting to grow up with a loving family. And on top of that, Squall is forcibly separated from Ellone and becomes the self-reliant recluse we first meet at the start of the game because he didn't want to lose anyone close to him again.]]
*** ** Quistis just can't win. Despite the fact she's a child prodigy, her emotional state is actually very fragile. [[spoiler: You learn later that it's at least partially because she was torn away from Squall and the other orphans she tried to care for and because of this, she never got along with her new adopted family. She came to [=SeeD=] to start over, rose through the ranks, and then thanks to GF induced memory loss, forgot Squall but still felt so attached to him she ended up sabotaging her own career.]]
*** ** [[spoiler: When Irvine joins the party, he ''recognizes'' his old childhood friends, but quickly realizes none of them remember any of their time at the orphanage, and can only watch as he seems them plotting to assassinate the woman who ran the orphanage.]]
** General Caraway if you think about it. It's said that he became Julia's SecondLove after she thought Laguna died. They were married for a while and had a daughter, but then Julia suddenly died in a car crash. Relations between him and his daughter have been strained ever since.
* {{Woolseyism}}: {{Woolseyism}}:
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This was the first video game that was translated to non-English European languages internally by Square Enix, motivated by the localization debacle that was ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII''. The results were spectacular, specially in languages like Spanish, where they included all sorts of different accents for the characters that made the game even more memorable.
** While the English translation on the surface looks more polished than ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'''s, fans comparing the original Japanese script with the translation revealed a number of serious issues, like the changing of Rinoa's personality or the complete butchering of Ultimecia's speeches for no apparent reason.
** The "hot dogs" Zell lusts after were originally filled breads, which is why that pile of hot dogs at the end have no visible wieners. As that's a food more exclusive to Japan, hot dogs make a more logical cultural translation.
13th Jan '17 9:09:16 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* BrokenBase: The 2013 re-release for Steam includes a "Magic Booster," which gives every character in the party 100 of most low- to mid-level spells. The fanbase is divided between those who see it as a great way to avoid having to repeatedly draw spells, those who [[StopHavingFunGuys don't like how it takes away from the challenge]], and those who think that the apparent need for a feature like this reflects badly on the game.

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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
** There is no denying that the game caused a quite bit of a stir with the ''Final Fantasy'' fanbase when it first was released; the story and especially the changes to gameplay were, and still remain, somewhat controversial. Everything related to the spell drawing mechanic tends to create debate between players over whether it was an interesting innovation or just really annoying busywork.
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The 2013 re-release for Steam includes a "Magic Booster," which gives every character in the party 100 of most low- to mid-level spells. The fanbase is divided between those who see it as a great way to avoid having to repeatedly draw spells, those who [[StopHavingFunGuys don't like how it takes away from the challenge]], and those who think that the apparent need for a feature like this reflects badly on the game.
27th Dec '16 11:38:27 AM keyblade333
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* HilariousInHindsight: Selphie's "Booyaka!" intro in almost every one of her online blog entries would later become the CatchPhrase of ReyMysterioJr.
** [[PresidentEvil Vinzer Deling]] looks [[CelebrityResemblance suspiciously like]] UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush.
** The first ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' character to make use of social media is named Selphie.
** The PluckyComicRelief character's ultimate finishing move involves circumnavigating the globe before punching his foe. ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'' fans would probably get a huge laugh, wondering whether this game was the inspiration.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Selphie's "Booyaka!" intro in almost every one of her online blog entries would later become ''Final Fantasy VIII'' was the CatchPhrase of ReyMysterioJr.
** [[PresidentEvil Vinzer Deling]] looks [[CelebrityResemblance suspiciously like]] UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush.
** The
first ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' character game in the series to make use of introduce social media is named Selphie.
** The PluckyComicRelief character's ultimate finishing move involves circumnavigating the globe before punching his foe. ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague Unlimited'' fans would probably get a huge laugh, wondering whether this game
and it was the inspiration.used by non other then Selphie.



** The reason for Irvine's seeming tendancy to crack under pressure in Disc 1 takes a different turn [[spoiler: when you realize he was lying and was actually cracking under the stress of being asked to shoot the closest thing he had to a mother. And he is the ''only one'' that can remember this.]]

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** The reason for Irvine's seeming tendancy tendency to crack under pressure in Disc 1 takes a different turn [[spoiler: when you realize he was lying and was actually cracking under the stress of being asked to shoot the closest thing he had to a mother. And he is the ''only one'' that can remember this.]]
20th Nov '16 8:06:01 AM NNinja
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* [[DracoInLeatherPants Seifer In Leather Pants]]: Seifer. The guy's a {{Jerkass}} for most of the game, but the fangirls love him anyway.

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* [[DracoInLeatherPants Seifer In Leather Pants]]: DracoInLeatherPants: Seifer. The guy's a {{Jerkass}} for most of the game, but the fangirls love him anyway.
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