History YMMV / FinalFantasyVIII

22nd Apr '17 4:33:22 PM WarriorsGate
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** Everything Edea does in the first two discs, and a good bit of what Cid and Irvine do during the same period, takes on considerably different meaning on a second pass through the same.

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** Everything Edea does The plot of the game is fairly simple. To wit, [[spoiler: Ultimecia knows a "legendary SeeD" is destined to kill her and tries to cast Time Compression, destroying everyone in the world but herself, to stop SeeD. However, as Squall undergoes Time Compression, he wanders back into the past and inadvertently founds SeeD to stop Ultimecia, starting the StableTimeLoop over again]]. Good luck trying to follow that on your first two discs, and playthrough, though, because the way it's presented is anything but straightforward. It gradually takes over an entirely different narrative about a good bit pseudo-World War II, very important plot points like the "legendary SeeD" or the mechanics of what Cid and Irvine do Time Compression are mentioned briefly in passing, the inciting incident happens during the same period, takes laser-light show of a finale, the older characters' motivations are presented to the player in non-linear order, and the main plot leans on considerably different meaning on Ellone's seemingly-unrelated subplot like a second pass crutch for crucial emotional and thematic context. The game is practically made for RewatchBonus, as each time through the same.cryptic hints and brief mentions start to build connections that solidify the fragmented narrative into a whole.
28th Mar '17 10:31:52 AM Zaptech
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* {{Fanon}}: That people in this game use Hyne's name as a blasphemy. Apart from Hyne only being mentioned if you talk to a kid in the library (and not in a way that suggests anyone would worship him), multiple people in the game use "God." Squall even screams it at the top of his lungs at one point, and "godspeed" is also said. Nevertheless, any perusal of fanfiction will probably have at least one instance of "Hynedammit!"
28th Mar '17 10:31:00 AM Zaptech
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** The "Rinoa is Ultimecia" theory, which speculate that Ultimecia ''is'' Rinoa, driven mad with power and grief after the death of Squall and her friends and wanting to use Time Compression to see them again.

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** The "Rinoa is Ultimecia" theory, which speculate that Ultimecia ''is'' Rinoa, driven mad with power and grief after the death of Squall and her friends and wanting to use Time Compression to see them again. This one was so popular that it eventually had to be shot down by WordOfGod in the Ultimania guides.
24th Mar '17 7:43:35 PM DrakeClawfang
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* EpilepticTrees: Ultimecia's power ''may'' have descended from Rinoa which could have happened as soon as one generation after Rinoa's death depending on how far into the future her timeline is. And that's before you even touch the "Rinoa is Ultimecia" theories.

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* EpilepticTrees: Ultimecia's power ''may'' have descended from Rinoa which could have happened as soon as one generation after Rinoa's death depending on how far into the future her timeline is. And that's before you even touch the EpilepticTrees:
** The
"Rinoa is Ultimecia" theories.theory, which speculate that Ultimecia ''is'' Rinoa, driven mad with power and grief after the death of Squall and her friends and wanting to use Time Compression to see them again.
** The "Squall is Dead" theory, which posits that when Edea used Ice Strike to impale Squall at the end of Disc 1, he ''died'', and the rest of the game is a fantasy playing out in Squall's dying mind as he succumbs to the wound.
24th Mar '17 7:26:12 PM DrakeClawfang
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has nothing to focus on to avoid dealing with it as he's used to doing, so he turns to helping Rinoa as an escape.
24th Mar '17 7:26:05 PM DrakeClawfang
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** As well, the romance between him and Rinoa could be seen not as love but as simple emotional needs the other fulfills -- Rinoa is a rebellious teenager who hates her father and Squall is a cold, distant, strong authority figure, while Squall is in more emotional turmoil than ever come Disc 3 but has nothing to focus on to avoid dealing with it as he's used to doing, so he turns to helping Rinoa as an escape.

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** As well, the romance between him and Rinoa could be seen not as love but as simple emotional needs the other fulfills -- fulfills. Rinoa is a rebellious teenager who hates her father and is estranged from him; Squall is provides a cold, distant, strong strong, protective authority figure, while figure for her to latch onto. Meanwhile come Disc 3 when the romance subplot takes center stage, Squall is in more emotional turmoil than ever come Disc 3 because he's used to focusing on his mission and not thinking about his own feelings to avoid dealing with them, but now the mission is apparently over and he's sitting on his hands; thus he turns to helping Rinoa as a coping mechanism and becomes obsessed with her to justify her importance over the sorceresses.
has nothing to focus on to avoid dealing with it as he's used to doing, so he turns to helping Rinoa as an escape.
14th Mar '17 10:53:24 PM Zaptech
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** With a dash of {{Squick}}, Julia and Laguna. The two were ''this'' close to hooking up, concept art depicting "Julia ''Loire's''" tombstone implies they might have been planned to during development, and the game's main theme and love song for Squall and Rinoa was written by Julia for Laguna. We know Julia is Rinoa's mother, and it's heavily implied [[spoiler:Laguna is Squall's father]]... think about that for a moment. [[spoiler:You're playing a game where the main couple's parents, both in-universe and in the real world, might have gotten together themselves if things had gone differently, meaning both Squall and Rinoa ''wouldn't even exist'']].
3rd Mar '17 9:01:57 AM rixion
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Squall is either one of Square's coolest characters (even Nojima found him too cool in an interview) or an annoying antisocial characters ever (see AngstDissonance above).



** Squall is either one of Square's coolest characters (even Nojima found him too cool in an interview) or an annoying antisocial characters ever (see AngstDissonance above).
2nd Mar '17 6:19:59 AM VoraciousApe
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**Squall is either one of Square's coolest characters (even Nojima found him too cool in an interview) or an annoying antisocial characters ever (see AngstDissonance above).
28th Feb '17 8:51:49 PM Toadofsteel
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** With a dash of {{Squick}}, Julia and Laguna. The two were ''this'' close to hooking up, concept art depicting "Julia ''Loire's''" tombstone implies they might have been planned to during development, and the game's main theme and love song for Squall and Rinoa was written by Julia for Laguna. We know Julia is Rinoa's mother, and it's heavily implied [[spoiler:Laguna is Squall's father]]... think about that for a moment. [[spoiler:You're playing a game where the main couple's parents, both in-universe and in the real world, might have gotten together themselves if things had gone differently]].

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** With a dash of {{Squick}}, Julia and Laguna. The two were ''this'' close to hooking up, concept art depicting "Julia ''Loire's''" tombstone implies they might have been planned to during development, and the game's main theme and love song for Squall and Rinoa was written by Julia for Laguna. We know Julia is Rinoa's mother, and it's heavily implied [[spoiler:Laguna is Squall's father]]... think about that for a moment. [[spoiler:You're playing a game where the main couple's parents, both in-universe and in the real world, might have gotten together themselves if things had gone differently]].differently, meaning both Squall and Rinoa ''wouldn't even exist'']].
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